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Post by Dave on Jan 25, 2021 11:59:55 GMT -5
Lu 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. 11 ¶ And he said, A certain man had two sons:
This story is about sinners, and what GOD thinks of sinners, who become straight/ as compared to those who are already straight. Man who left heaven for the world – to return as the Prodigal Son vrs angels that just stay in heaven and praise God
Why is there joy when sinners becomes straight? I think the answer is about an aspect of love. Love is living and does not like to see things dying, so becoming straight actually causes an increase in the flow of love. Imagine how the heavenly Father would feel, when His love flow to the sinner increases, as the sinner repents, drawing more love from the Father? Absolutely – God let man go into the world – and through all that the world had to offer – the Son realized who his father really is – the seat of Love and compassion – and the son came back to God on his own – The father knows the son came home on his own – the son’s choice MITZVAH – no one forced the son to return home – the son chose the father
The very heart of Christianity or Judaism – from God we came – into this world of the archon, all men are drawn into this world through their own yester ra – all men are sinners Jesus Christ is the Divine Pardon for those sins we earn as mortal men Why does let us go – He loves us so much – he has given man the Free Will Choice to leave But all men are sinners – Adam and Eve proved it Why did God do John 3:16 - because He loves us so much He made the MITZVAH choice available to all
Compassion - Luk 23:34 But Yeshua was saying, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
Lu 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
This is a really moving aspect of the Father, looking for every sinner to repent. Running to the sinner and kissing him. Wow. Do we really have a heavenly Father as compassionate as that?
While we were yet sinners Jesus died for us.
It moves me to tears,
For me – this one passage sums up off of the ahl When Israel turns to God – walks with God - the whole world knows they are blessed – the whole world know they are the people of the One True God – and God has compassion for his people when they walk with / choose God
What was the mission of God’s chosen people – to witness God’s Glory to the whole world The Jews did this by Parade (their visible/ cultural witness) – the Jews did this by being INVINVIBLE when God stand for them –
The Exodus for example, Jericho for example, or Battle of Beth Zur – 164AD - 10,000 Jews (merchants, sons, and farmers) ROUTED Seleucid Empire who brought - 20,000 seasoned Roman Infantry, 5,000 Roman cavalry, 300 Chariots and 22 War elephants
When God’s choose people Choose God – it witness God’s Glory to the world – the whole world can see it – regardless if it was 650BC or TODAY
This is the commission of Jer 1:5 – Remember who we are -created by God- for a purpose – to serve a function - be an evangelist – be a witness – to all the world
We do it by parade – everyone is watching us – the whole world is a stage and I am on parade – our witness is always on
And since I said this – let me speak Gnostic to you – and how I define my witness for myself One thing Rich and I agree on is that we are all called differently I do not feel called to leaves my family and go to some remote 3rd world village to witness I do not feel called to speak at my corner Christian church I do see the hand of God in everything –
In a group of non-religious PhDs talking genetic drift vrs genetic intervention I am the guy who points out the hand of God – the Intelligent design – the reality of creation once seen as Incremental
In a group of scifi buffs – I am the guy who point out that time travel – and temporal dilations are scriptural – Einstein’s relativity is completely scriptural
In a group of UFO believers – the idea of ancient ‘other gods’- demigods – alien hybrids – chimeras - I am the guy who makes is all appear scriptural
In a group of guys speaking about multiple dimensions – parallel words – I am the guy who sees the hand of God
At work I had to attend meeting about being LGBT sensitive Check this out – I managed the Blood bank at Mount San Rafael Hospital from 2008 to 2011 – the home of Dr (Mark) Marcie Bowers and she did 4 to 6 sex reassignment surgeries a week Google it – I was right there in the middle of it - I will be listed as a department head I remember my first time – I did an interview with an extremely attractive Mexican girl named Daniel She was petit and dressed fine to show off her cleavage, miniskirt and heels When I made the comment that - boy she was pretty – all my co-workers got a free laugh She wouldn’t be a she until next Tuesday
YES Robert – the world is the corruption – ra comes with matter Someone asked me – how could I work there as a Christian To me I was living scripture – Rom chapter 1 To the nation that promote evolution over creation God will turn queer I worked with Dr Bowers and my Governor is gay man married to another man
100% Scripture – alive – right before me – doesn’t everyone see it
Turn on the NEWS and it has been all about the Abrahamic accords in the Middle East – Israel today is in military, technological, and economical control of all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates And the problem are those darn Chaldeans of Persia and their alliance with China - a mega army from the east
HAND of GOD – Scripture alive - right before me – doesn’t everyone see it
All I can do is witness – tell the truth – explore scripture – and listen
You often say – we have much in common It is the much not in common that is important
I see God’s creation as glorious thing – in a delicate balance between entropy and neg-entropy It is called nature – and nature comes with a food chain And nature comes with natural ra – it is inherent to physical creation
Gen 2:4 These are the genealogical records of the heavens and the earth when they were created, at the time when Adonai Elohim made land and sky.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations
How do you get generations forming a genealogical record – without the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth – trees do it – microbes do it – birds do it – fish do it - and beast do it
And all of it - whose seed is in itself, - after his kind: -
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. the natural cycle of birth-life-death- and rebirth
You say all of this never happened – it was 6 - 24hr days as measured today Then Adam sinned – only then could nature grow and develop
I read scripture and it says Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,
Scripture says it is a man thing – you insist it is a global nature thing I so disagree with you – I look at reality – you have these magical fantasy lands of tov only and play religious what-if-games – couldn’t God make a planet somewhere with tov My job is not to guess on what He can or cannot do – or what He might do My job is only to witness my own reality – 2021 Colorado, USA, planet earth, archon land
I say the entire point of Christianity is to return to the Father as a Prodigal Son We have already left the Father – and we are already trapped in the world How do we become the Prodigal Son REMBER THE FATHER – remember the love we felt when we were home with the father before we left Once we realize the love we once had – we run back to it – we love it back Why – as you said - While we were yet sinners Jesus died for us. - It moves me to tears,
From God we came – and to God we return Becomes – from God we came – and our experience in this world proves to us beyond any doubt - we are not worthy to return to heaven
Repentance is necessary Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, … Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
And the reward for true repentance Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; Earthly clothing stained with sin exchanged for heavenly clothing without satin
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; … He was מות תמות׃ – just as God said Gen 2:17 But now he is NOT מות תמות׃ – just as the serpent said – Gen 3:4
Luk 15:24 … he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. Can’t wait for this party – you are invited
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 15:13:59 GMT -5
You write well Dave.
Working in the Department among sex changes, gender fluidity they say, after all we do have both maleness love and femaleness love inside of us, so why can't I change to one personality of love over another, artificially?
It's wicked similar to man doing GMO, we are changing the designs GOD designed, so GMO really stand for God Move Over.
God called you for that witness, and you did a wonderful job of being straight to them.
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How do we return to God and allow the arms of GOD to embrace us daily? as the prodigal experienced?
The word "repent" actually means to "return".
Here in the scroll written as a simile of Jesus, the Yashuah of salvation, the Salvation personified:
Jesus 1:2 ¶ The beginning of the word of the Father by Yashua the prophet. And the Father said to Yashua the divine Son, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Father.
It's a fascinating story of how Jesus marries us humans, and saves us.
Jesus 2:6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.
We often think the hedge is used to protect us from archon attack, but it is used to stop us from choosing to sin, and wander from the path of straightness.
Jesus 2:8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.
Here is a problem, We get gifts and blessings from Jesus, but instead we used them to promote Baal, this Hebrew word means SELF, the idea we are masters of ourselves.
This problem is written later with a different view:
Jesus 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. 5 ¶ I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. 6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
Notice the first royal torah is actually added with word by Jesus, I am your Saviour. We live on earth in the drought,, where little of Jesus flows. But when some choose Jesus they become happy and once they become happy they rise in pride and forget GOD.
Finally in the end of this scroll is the daily steps to remaining married to Jesus, our Saviour.
Jesus 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity(guilt).
Jesus 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD-JESUS: say unto JESUS,
SO simple and so beautifully written.
Take with you words is another way of saying "amanuah"
The purpose of "taking words" is to help us "return"
Next we say to Jesus, meaning we pray to Jesus.
How often do we do these steps of relationship?
Continually, daily, all the time.
Jesus 14:8 ... I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
Jesus is our tree of life, He is the party, and everybody daily is invited to come and taste Him and eat His words of paradise. The manna, the man, the Yashuah who came to yasha us. From me your fruit of me flows.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 25, 2021 16:38:45 GMT -5
Working in the Department among sex changes, God called you for that witness, and you did a wonderful job of being straight to them. Anyone who knows me for more that 5 minutes – knows exactly where I am coming from – I am always on I have been both repremanded for bring up God and someone complained and I have been complimented for my service as a unofficial chaplian ------------------ Finally in the end of this scroll is the daily steps to remaining married to Jesus, our Saviour. I would not agree that GOD is both masculine and feminine as halves, but the Rabbi might also say both personalities of loving are married as ONE. It's a fascinating story of how Jesus marries us humans, and saves us. Double Speak Jesus 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD-JESUS: say unto JESUS, SO simple and so beautifully written. Take with you words is another way of saying "amanuah" Witness 24/7 - Jer 1:5The purpose of "taking words" is to help us "return"Hmmm? You cannot make another do anything You help them return – by our witness – by our words – by our parade The other person has the hear – has to listen In my case it took me 40 years to fully appreciate / understand / get the witness to me by othersNext we say to Jesus, meaning we pray to Jesus.To Jesus – pray to Jesus – how I hate this terminology Jesus never instructs anyone to pray to Jesus – but to the Father – only the Father Asking in the name of Jesus And we do not pray to – as words coming our of our mouths Instead we pray with the spirit - in the spirit – spirit to spirit Hard to do if you deny the spirit
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 13:31:27 GMT -5
Jesus never instructs anyone to pray to Jesus – but to the Father – only the Father Asking in the name of Jesus And we do not pray to – as words coming our of our mouths Instead we pray with the spirit - in the spirit – spirit to spirit Hard to do if you deny the spirit
I do not deny the HS who administrates my prayers, and functions as a second comforter.
What we do not know, God overlooks our ignorance.
Joh 16:23 Supporting, supporting, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Jesus is our mediator before our Father. JW's pray directly to Father, in Father's Name?? not sure how this works?
I pray like this:
(1) Choose "seed power promises" that appeal to us (you and the Holy Spirit) and "take words".
The Author likes this one "And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;"
Memorize this "seed power promise", and prayer these words in prayer:-
"Our Father in heaven, thank you for Jesus, your Son, thank you for making me a tree by the Holy Spirit, may we bring forth your fruits of character in their season, we support Jesus words in His Name. Amen"
We grow in Jesus as a simile of trees growing in Nature. In other words, Jesus engineered trees to grow as children of the LORD.
Ps 96:12 ... all the trees of the wood rejoice..
Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy.. and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 26, 2021 15:13:34 GMT -5
What we do not know, God overlooks our ignorance. Joh 16:23 Supporting, supporting, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
And just what Jesus tell the true believer to ask for
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
You can ask for stuff if you want to – but the only thing a Born Again Christian cares about is that for God’s Will to be done In my 28 yrs – over and over I saw families pray for God to save their 99 yrs old grandmother They were praying prayers that were never going to be answered Now they can think God doesn’t answer prayers Rich and his fellowship - preach to pray for God's Will for grandman If she lives - you know your prayer was answered If she dies - you know your prayers were answerred and it was God's Will
I pray like this: (1) Choose "seed power promises" that appeal to us (you and the Holy Spirit) and "take words". There is nothing wrong with this – but as long as you are mothing words – you keep the experience in your conscious. – and as long as you are talking you are also no listening This is a different experience that sitting quietly before the Lord feeling convicted and ashamed of being the animal
The Author likes this one "And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;" Memorize this "seed power promise", and prayer these words in prayer:- 100% Catholic – human man made worship – Memorize and Regurgitate
Ps 96:12 ... all the trees of the wood rejoice.. And just which words to they use?
Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy.. and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Should I do a Robert here? Just as an example – I choose to Robert this verse
It cannot be true – trees do not have hands Hands means hands – nothing else – no polysemy And trees do not grow in fields – There are so many wrong words here - should I be all troubled by this verse OR – should I embrace the precept?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 12:48:45 GMT -5
D" There are so many wrong words here - should I be all troubled by this verse OR – should I embrace the precept?
R" You are funny Dave. It's a simile.
What's wrong with a simile?
D"100% Catholic – human man made worship – Memorize and Regurgitate
What are you saying? Did you have a bad experience as a Catholic?
From what I have seen of Catholic prayer books, they are simply read out loud by the readers who read....
You have to support the Supporter who supports you.... This is not really the same as simply reading His words, you have to take His words, allow those words of power to flow into you....
Mr 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? 41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him? (KJV)
Torah says take with you His words, and turn ye to the Lord.
How do you understand faith Dave?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 27, 2021 17:57:05 GMT -5
D" There are so many wrong words here - should I be all troubled by this verse OR – should I embrace the precept? R" You are funny Dave. It's a simile. What's wrong with a simile? This has been you defense for a year – no polysemy – it says cherub chata and those are the two most important words in the entire Bible- disregard all other scripture – and demand that anything Jewish is in error because they do not believe in your satan as toy do
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:33:03 GMT -5
Greetings,
In other replies, you term me badly, to others. I would not do that to you. In Hebrew there is a word that tells of when a person does the negative in a relationship. You have to have relationships as a word, as love is highly relational.
chata is a Hebrew word meaning when you miss relationship .... when you arrow misses the relationship target it was intended for...or when a person misses having a perfect relationship to GOD, the flow of God's power decreases in that person's life.
oppose/opposer this Hebrew word is about the person who opposes the other person in a relationship. Such people become opponents to one another because their views differ. In a tennis match both players are opponents and thus oppose each other.
The strongest case for this word is when GOD is blocking the road for the ass walking Baalim on the road, and Baalim keeps hitting the donkey because the donkey sees the road is blocked. One could use the function of blocking here as a better more specific meaning, but other sentences of context also require consideration.
Ra is a Hebrew word referring to the dysfunctional things beings do, when relationships are no longer perfectly functional. Much of the dysfunctional aspects of negative relationships are not transgressions of royal law per se' , but these dysfunctional aspects do result from dealing with the sin problem, the negative relationship between beings. Sometimes the only way to restore Beings in a negative relationship to you is to make dysfunctional events with them, so they respond positively to you, but you run the risk of making the relationship become more negative.
These are some of the relationship words Hebrew has. If you try to change the meanings of these Hebrew words, you also remove the Hebrew words dealing with relationships, so that there are no relationship words in the Bible.
The Hebrew word shuwb means to turn, to return, or to repent, but means the restoration of the relationship with something. Again, it's a relationship word. A positive Hebrew word.
Avon is Hebrew word dealing with guilt.
Aven is a Hebrew word dealing with your potential, genetic means, to have a relationship to another being.
Pasha is a Hebrew word to break having a relationship with another being, as defined by the royal torah laws.
Chata is basically defined as Pasha of law. That is a legal definition, but underlies that GOD is logical and follows laws, not feeling relationships. But cognitive relationships. Thus you can logically feel safe with GOD because He is a functional relationship.
Dave you introduce the idea that GOD created bad relationships on purpose, with your archons idea.
Relationships cannot be created, they come with risk. So this is why I battled so long with you.
You also imply that GOD gives each of us some created spark that is us, essentially a divine part of GOD. This idea is also saying that GOD creates relationship because we have a small part of GOD that is essentially us, our spirit.
This idea also removes the idea of independent free will, you cannot own relationships either, they always come with risk. You confuse this issue saying a wicked spirit ends in the lake of fire, ??How is that possible, if GOD's spark is divine??
It is much better to say that GOD creates relationships with the dust, so we are essentially living energy, in a free will relationship with God. Hence God says to us, let us reason together.
This means relationships can go wrong. For all creatures GOD had initially created to be perfect in relationship.
This includes the angelic creatures, who first sinned, spoiling their relationship with God. You deny this idea, saying angels do not free will to choose relationships with God. You ignore torah in making your ideas, based on Gnostic writings.
In order to have free will relationships to GOD, there must also exist free will relationships not to follow GOD. You cannot lump them together under under the design of GOD. Relationships cannot be created by God, or forced into God's will.
When you choose to hold Jesus hand, you do not own Jesus, nor does Jesus own you, the relationship is own by nobody, and stands forever based on the risk of staying connected forever because you both choose this. The Hebrew word "continual" also was a picture of this idea, we are continually empowered by the love of God, we are always responding to His love.
SHalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Jan 28, 2021 17:42:54 GMT -5
Dave you introduce the idea that GOD created bad relationships on purpose, with your archons idea.
Proof that you choose not to represent this discussion without your bias to twist and misrepresent – just so you can argue against your own statement=- whether it represents what I present or =r not
God created cows – and ants – and single celled organisms – all are 100% SELF all are without the Free Will choice gifted to man The archon were created for a purpose – they are created with SELF Your logic indicates that cows, ants, and single cell organisms are all bad relationships Why do you continually consider it ia bad thing to obey God? by fulfilling your assigned function within creation
You also imply that GOD gives each of us some created spark that is us, essentially a divine part of GOD. This idea is also saying that GOD creates relationship because we have a small part of GOD that is essentially us, our spirit.
BOOM - there you go - missrepresnt me so you can argue against you own version God created angels - are you claiming that all of the angels are just a (fragments) of God? Wouldn't this make your satan God - and your God opposes your own God You really need to consider your own words
Sorry Robert - angels were created as spirit beings - completely unquic, independent, and individual Spirtual man / soul was created as spirit beings - completely unquic, independent, and individual
The archon were made with some matter - completely unquic, independent, and individual The cows were created from dust / matter - completely unquic, independent, and individual Ants were created - from matter - completely unquic, independent, and individual
Man was created in Gen 1 from dust / matter - completely unquic, independent, and individual Gen 2:7 The Family of Adam was gifted with his own soul / spirit and man became a human being - completely unquic, independent, and individual But since man is (spirit + animal) ( spirit come with yester tov and animal comes with yester ra) Now man is the only creature that has the Free Will ability to Choose To choose what - choose to return to the father as a Prodigal Son
Yes – Robert – I believe in the spirit – I think of the Torah as a spiritual thing – I see the Gospel as a spiritual call to the 100% of humanity And all you can see is the animal and the reality of this world full of sin as you put it and the call to be religious and worship daily for your dose of God
This includes the angelic creatures, who first sinned, spoiling their relationship with God. This is Roman Satanism Angeles were created to praise and serve The archon were created (Powers and Principalities) created differently for a different function Man is different to both of them – because man is the only creature gifted with the Free Will choice
Satan has you convinced there is no spirit – you are not spirit – you cannot be spirit – you are just an animal with memories ans all of God’s heaven is just another level of Physical world of Physical Bodies
The Mission of the archon is to get man to forget who is really is – and only stay focused on this physical world – the SDA message
When you choose to hold Jesus hand, you do not own Jesus, nor does Jesus own you, the relationship is own by nobody, and stands forever based on the risk of staying connected forever because you both choose this.
Absolutely – spirit to spirit – just as Jesus Christ told Nicodemus in John 3 To be born again – to communion with the Lord / to walk with the Lord in spirit – the indwelling of the Holy Spirit / the Comforter / Christ within you - as well as with body - to be the First Fruits –
To be more than just believers – because believers can believe anything One Judaism – or One Messianic Judaism – or >2500 different forms of satan believing Roman Christendom
you term me badly, to others. Sorry if you take it personally – I am not anti-Robert – but there is no way you will ever convince a Jewish thinker – that your satan is a powerful anti-god authority You can call me a silly woman if you want – am I offended? – NO I just think you in error and under the wrong impression
You have called me lost and confused and duped by my Gnostic text am I offended? – NO do I have to be defensive – NO all I can do is witness
100% of Jewish Rabbi embrace the Torah 100% of Messianic Jews embrace the Torah and recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah 100% of Messianic Jews believe Jesus when he said – I cane not to change the Torah – but fulfill it
99% of Roman Christendom believe that Jesus came to abolish the old Covenant and we are under a New Covalent 100% of Roman Christendom has a different version of the Torah than the Jewish Rabbi And the difference between Messianic Jews and Roman Christian has nothing to do with God – or the Messiah – but everything to do with the belief in satan
What keeps us apart – the belief in satan What is the tactic of deception employed in war – divide and conquer
One Judaism – or One Messianic Judaism – or >2500 different forms of satan believing Roman Christendom
Jews and Gnostics see the GLOBE / the 100% when reading scripture Roman Christians are self-absorbed – and divided against itself 99% of Roman Christian are taught that it is ‘other Christians’ as the anti-Christ Rome is the anti-Christ – and revelations is all about Christianity – Rome vrs Protestants
What a bunch of delusional crap division and false teaching
The Jews of the Torah are facing Islam as the anti-Christ The Jews of Israel are at the center of Gog – Maygog The Jews of Israel today are the Jews of the 3rd temple Period The world is focused upon the Middle east – not Rome All of the cities of Ezk 38 war are located in Saudi Arabia
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 14:26:30 GMT -5
Greetings Dave Happy Shabbat D " God created cows – and ants – and single celled organisms – all are 100% SELF all are without the Free Will choice gifted to man The archon were created for a purpose – they are created with SELF Your logic indicates that cows, ants, and single cell organisms are all bad relationshipsRob" I am having trouble understanding your logic Dave. You seem to think "created with matter", comes with SELF. There is no Scripture to back up this idea. Jesus never quoted three ways to love 1) love God 2) love your neighbour as God love you 3) love of self (this is never mentioned) Because it does not exist in God's perfect world. SELF came from the sin of Adam, when GOD cursed creation: Ge 3:17 ": cursed is the ground for thy sake; Ge 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; Ge 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: Who is the US here? Not archons, they only know bad, not angels, they only know good. Had to be other family members of elohiym, but you ignore this idea? The bad things only came in after ADAM sinned. So this implies nothing was bad before ADAM sinned. Hence SELF did not exist than. (I leave out serpent, as you do not agree cherub chata Bible verse) D" angels were created as spirit beings - completely unquic, independent, and individualR angels were functionally only able to be good. D" The archon were made with some matter - completely unquic, independent, and individualR OK, but Book of Enoch does not describe the origin of archons as you defined this here, Enoch says some 200 angels decide to make a pact and sin doing sinning to human woman, etc. These angels I assume were angels, but later become fallen angels, when they sin? Enoch does not describe archon made of matter defiling humans with sex. You try to suggest two different outcomes refer to different Enoch see only earth, other Gnostic sees heaven reference? But this does not clear up the discrepancy? Ge 3:17 ": cursed is the ground for thy sake; Ge 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; These are RA affects coming from AFTER ADAM sins. I do not see animals created with RA or SELF during creation, these traits come after Adam sinned from God cursing Creation. D"there is no way you will ever convince a Jewish thinker – that your satan is a powerful anti-god authority R I do not think hey-Satan is anything powerful against GOD, but these fallen angels did sin long ago before humans sinned. You ignore "war in heaven" and "cherub chata" Bible texts. Strange the Jews do hold some understanding of Azazel as a fallen angel/demon/originator of sin. Any comments of this? Remember the two burning Beings upon the pole, one look of faith healed your snake bite. Clearly both burning beings oppose each other, but both were lifted up on the pole. Lev 16 is saying the same thing, two offerings. Two goats. D" The Jews of the Torah are facing Islam as the anti-ChristR I see. And where did Islam come from? From Masonic Roman Catholicism. Why do you see both Catholic churches and Islamic Mosques on the same grounds in eye shot? Because they are on the same side. D" The world is focused upon the Middle east – not Rome
R correct Shalom Sabbath
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2021 17:18:35 GMT -5
Dave you introduce the idea that GOD created bad relationships on purpose, with your archons idea.Proof that you choose not to represent this discussion without your bias to twist and misrepresent – just so you can argue against your own statement - whether it represents what I present or not D "God created cows – and ants – and single celled organisms – all are 100% SELFall are without the Free Will choice gifted to man The archon were created for a purpose – they are created with SELF Your logic indicates that cows, ants, and single cell organisms are all bad relationshipsRob" I am having trouble understanding your logic Dave.Only because you choose toWe are told that Adam and Eve were given an order / a commandment / an instruction to follow / obey They sinned by disobeying an order / a commandment / an instruction to follow / obey God The Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi LibraryOpening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.Question what - order / a commandment / an instruction to follow / obey did the First Archon disobey Answer = NONE Then why is this First Archon hideous and not welcome in heaven- his sin is of a different (wait for it) a different NATUREHis sin is to think himself alone – and therefore the first = SELFD "God created cows – and ants – and single celled organisms – all are 100% SELFFlesh programmed with a biological INSTRINCT for self-preservation and reproduction As God designed and as God Commanded = “Be fruitful and multiply” Ge 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: Who is the US here? Not archons, they only know bad, not angels, they only know good. Too bad you don’t know your scripture betterGen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Yes man and God are the only beings that know the different God knows – because He knows everythingMan knows because of Adam and Eve – and know they KNOW they are torn between yester tov and yester ra – the choice between good and evil is man’s aloneDose an cow understand that it is doing ra breaking down a fence to get at green grass? Does a cockroach understand that is it doing ra by spreading disease? Does a termite understand it is doing ra as it destroys your house? The answer is easy – No – they do not understand – they are dumb animal just trying eat and shit and make babies Dave you introduce the idea that GOD created bad relationships on purpose, with your archons idea.The First archon though only of self – just like a dumb animal – Why – because it is all he saw – and made a selfish assumption The archon are the Powers and Principalities above us – around us – and they are driven by self (yester ra) Question – is a cow evil? Is an ant evil? Is a cockroach evil? Answer – NO – they are all capable of causing ra in the eyes of man – but they know not what they do Question - are the archon evil – they sure cause a lot of ra in the eyes of man. The archon did not invent murder – lies – rape – abduction and sex traffic-ing – or forced prostitution – or women degradation and humiliation All of it from the biological mind of MAN – all the archon do is suggests the desire and influence The bad things only came in after ADAM sinned. So this implies nothing was bad before ADAM sinned. Hence SELF did not exist than. (I leave out serpent, as you do not agree cherub chata Bible verse)No you leave it out because it conflicts with your own statement Sinn only enter after Adam – but your cherub chata long before thatD"The archon were made with some matter - completely unquic, independent, and individual R OK, but Book of Enoch does not describe the origin of archons as you defined this here, Enoch says some 200 angels decide to make a pact and sin doing sinning to human woman, Again – you just deliberately mix up different groups and say you have a clear understanding The First Archon = the Beast – The dragon pf rev 12:7 – The bane elohiym are the archon of Gen 6:4 These angels I assume were angels, but later become fallen angels, when they sin?Gen 1:11 Then God said, “Let the land sprout grass, green plants yielding seed, fruit trees making fruit, each according to its species with seed in it, upon the land.” And it happened so. 12 The land brought forth grass, green plants yielding seed, each according to its species, and trees making fruit with the seed in it, each according to its species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:21 Then God created the large sea creatures and every living creature that crawls, with which the water swarms, according to their species, as well as every winged flying creature, according to their species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:24 Then God said, “Let the land bring forth living creatures according to their species—livestock, crawling creatures and wild animals, according to their species.” And it happened so. Gen 1:25 God made the wild animals according to their species, the livestock according to their species, and everything that crawls on the ground, each according to its species. And God saw that it was good. These angels I assume were angels, but later become fallen angels, when they sin?Sorry Robert – There is a strong precept in scripture - I do not accept any theory of Evolution – no matter how you try to sneak it inGlorious cherubs next to the throne of God did not become the creatures described by King Solomon D"there is no way you will ever convince a Jewish thinker – that your satan is a powerful anti-god authority R I do not think hey-Satan is anything powerful against GOD, but these fallen angels did sin long ago before humans sinned. You ignore "war in heaven" and "cherub chata" Bible texts. Rev 12:7 was over in an instant way back in Gen 1:2 NO CONTEST – God commanded it – Micahael carried it out – and they were cast into physical creation Cherub chata is all about man / the King of Tyre One of the reasons that it is about a man and not your satan – is because you have failed miserably to prove that it is a sin to obey the will of God I say - what ever happens only happens by the hand of God - God's design - God's Will - God's Plan The tov and the ra - but from man's small view of reality - the line between the righ hand and the left hand is best described as a mystery - but the sum of all totality is God's You say - God creation turned aganist God and God had to react / respond and all creation was altered If it was altered - it was altered away from God's Plan or design - IS THAT POSSIBLE You preach that God is only Good and never is responsible for any harm - that is against your definitioon of a God of Love Mat 12:25 ...Yeshua said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is destroyed, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. YET - you preach that God's Kingdom is divided from within against itself and therefore you need a second strong authority to lead the opposition - your satan and a full 1/3rd of God loyal angels are now on satan's side in a Divided Kingdom and who do you give the credit for all this disruption and opposition to God and God's Will - your satan Entirely two different religions - One God centric and teaches unity - and Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. One satan centric and preaches a divided kingdom - and all entirely against God's Will in opposition I have tried to drag you into different topics with the ahlYou seem unable to discuss them - beacuse you have never really studied the Torah that deeply Or you make it conditional - If I believe in your satan than we can go on to other topics (NGH - not gonna happen) Strange the Jews do hold some understanding of Azazel as a fallen angel/demon/originator of sin. Any comments of this?YES Robert – the Jews have a large Kabbalah all about Gen 6 You have been hearing a lot of it for a long timeA year ago your Mr Van Weith had you convinced that the Jewish Kabbalah is all about satan At least now you are quoting from it - as if it is valid and matters Ibn Ezra and Naḥmanides both interpret Azazel as the name of the goat and this view is also found in the Talmud: "The school of Rabbi Ishmael explained it is called Azazel because it atones for the acts of the fallen *angels *Uzza and Azael" (Yoma 67b, cf. Targ. Jon., Gen. 6:1; Deut. R. 11:10).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 22:38:34 GMT -5
Greetings Dave I see from your response, a little clearer. So the archon term refers to two basic groups, Group 1 "The First Archon = the Beast – The dragon pf rev 12:7 –So did this group make the 200 beings Enoch saw that made a vow, and went together to defile human woman? Thus Enoch saw and wrote only about the second group? But Enoch called these angels that chose to do sinning? If the group 1 Archons were made from one Creature, the Beast, Yalobeath??spelling/ from some matter, than the archon is not really of cherub origin, is it, but a brand new creature, not described in the torah? But the Enoch account terms the group 2 archons as angels who vowed as a group to defile human women. SO help me you with the details, how do you make harmony from these two accounts? D" T hen why is this First Archon hideous and not welcome in heaven- his sin is of a different (wait for it) a different NATURE His sin is to think himself alone – and therefore the first = SELFR I guess it is OK that GOD could create a creature of a different kind, designed to be dysfunctional even. Except there is no torah on this idea, no Enoch account on this idea either. No torah on a different creature such as archons. The term archon (arche) just means "beginnings". The only creatures mentioned in the torah are man as (adam, enosh, iysh etc) and angels (cherub, also in likeness of enosh). D: " Entirely two different religions - One God centric and teaches unity - and Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. One satan centric and preaches a divided kingdom - and all entirely against God's Will in oppositionR Does it really make us into two different religions? I support Jesus and disdain the yester ra and follow the yester tov, just as you do, and we both see the archons as creatures that test/tempt man to do yester ra. My only qualm with you, is you say God intentionally created archonic creatures with a dysfunctional nature on purpose, to serve in God's will. God uses their dysfunctional intelligence to test/tempt mankind. Could GOD create something like this? www.bing.com/videos/search?q=utube+video+did+GOD+create+evil%3f+einstein&docid=608052754191354852&mid=F16B2283268073DBDBCDF16B2283268073DBDBCD&view=detail&FORM=VIREUtube video, Does God create evil? Einstein Watch the video again. A German professor asks, did God create everything? Dave would answer yes. The teacher would reply, well if God created everything. Than God created evil. Therefore GOD is evil, and a fairy tale and not worth following. How can you answer the German Teacher Dave? You have no satisfactory answer, unlike Einstein. Albert Einsten says Evil does not exist, so did not require creating. It is simply a term used by humans to describe relationships that we have where less and less of God's power is flowing through our lives. So ALbert Einstein is saying evil is just a dysfunctional relationship creatures have with GOD, BUT GOD; who has to be by definition, perfectly functional in relationship. I cannot see how GOD can create evil or anything with RA in it, as you claim. Please discuss the video and how you disagree with Einstein on this. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2021 10:26:59 GMT -5
Group 1 "The First Archon = the Beast – The dragon pf rev 12:7 – So did this group make the 200 beings Enoch of Gen 6 Yes – the bane elohiym are the offspring of the First archon and therefore also called archon Thus Enoch saw and wrote only about the second group? But Enoch called these angels that chose to do sinning?
If the group 1 Archons were made from one Creature, the Beast, (First Archon) / from some matter, than the archon is not really of cherub origin, is it, but a brand new creature, not described in the torah? Absolutely correct The ahl alludes to them – serpent – bane elohiym – Nephilim – evil spirts – fiery serpents - shedim and Lillith – but does not detail their origin correct
But the Enoch account terms the group 2 archons as angels who vowed as a group to defile human women. SO help me you with the details, how do you make harmony from these two accounts? Jude and 2 Pe 2:4 - called them sinning angels – why didn’t Enoch call them sinning angels – why doesn’t the Torah say the sinning angels father the Nephilim – Why does scripture say Jesus cast our demons – why doesn’t it say sinning angels – or just angels
This is a conspiracy to confuse you and only you You choose to stumble over words so you can overlook the precept – the principle – the teaching
The only creatures mentioned in the torah are man as (adam, enosh, iysh etc) and angels (cherub, also in likeness of enosh). BOOM – you do not know you Torah and you think so small it is one dimensional What of - Chayoth Ha Kadesh, Ophanim, Erelim, Hashmallim, Seraphim, Malakim , Elohim, Bene Elohim, Ishim What of – Adrammelech, Ashima, Astrreth, Asarte, Baal, Baalberth, Baalphor, Baell, Bel, Chomosh, Dagon, Kaiwan, Molech, Nebo, Nehushtan, Nibhaz, Nisroch, Rimmon, Sakkith, Tammuz, Tartak And the Queen of Heaven
My only qualm with you, is you say God intentionally created archonic creatures with a dysfunctional nature on purpose, to serve in God's will. God uses their dysfunctional intelligence to test/tempt mankind. Could GOD create something like this?
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning, from ancient time, what is yet to come, saying, “My purpose will stand, and I will accomplish all that I please.” Psa 33:11 The plan of Adonai stands forever, the purposes of His heart from generation to generation. Job 42:2 I know You can do all things; no purpose of Yours can be thwarted. Pro 16:4 Adonai works everything out for his own purpose—even the wicked for a day of disaster.
Question – did God create man – YES Question - is it functional to disobey God and choose chata and sin – NO Question – can God make a dysfunction (your term) creature - evidently But again – you think it a dysfunction to do the function you were assigned by God Everything is dysfunctional to you - where is your praise
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2021 10:39:51 GMT -5
Utube video, Does God create evil? Einstein
Watch the video again. A German professor asks, did God create everything? Dave would answer yes. Scripture says yes - and Dave always believes the precepts set forth in scripture
Albert Einsten says Evil does not exist, so did not require creating. It is simply a term used by humans to describe relationships that we have where less and less of God's power is flowing through our lives.
AH! But this is not the whole story is it – you present only ½ of the theology
God did create the ra – Scripture says this plainly The choshek was cast off in creation – scripture says this plainly And then man enter this physical creation filled with natural ra + the choshek from Gen 1:2 And Man is gifted with a choice – God or world – God or self – yester ton or yester ra
So what happens when man follows yester ra – basically man acts like an animal – dog eat dog – kill or be killed – survival of the fittest – it is a Jungle out there
Man is the doer of the ra – the evil – not its creator
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2021 14:41:52 GMT -5
I cannot see how GOD can create evil or anything with RA in it, as you claim. Therefore you require a second creator to be responsible for all the bad stuff
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