You write well Dave, if we lived close by, perhaps I could live under your fellowship love and enjoy your company?
You seem warm and friendly. Your family adores you. You have peace with GOD.
Dave: " Does this mean you cannot enter heaven - cannot be saved - lost your salvation in the fire because you lost your Mind-Body - have no eternal promise because of the way you died?
There is some Scripture to answer this question:
Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? (KJV)
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (KJV) The capital letters are not in the Hebrew:
Ro 8:16 The Holy Spirit itself beareth witness with our (Holy Spirit who administrates the "character" within us), that we are the children of God:
Is this not how we should interpret this verse? Does the Holy Spirit have infinite records of "us" as a person of character, as well as a person of flesh with our DNA? Could not GOD fully restore you back to the way you were with all your DNA intact, all of your character and all of the way you were before you died?
That's what these verses suggest to me? What do they suggest to you?
Dave: " To become Born Again you must work steps to achieve this
Isn't communion with GOD a process? Cannot science study how we commune as steps? Doesn't relationship with GOD have basic steps we do daily?
Dave: " You practice reading other men's printed prayers - but haven't studied praying in the spirit
Isn't reading how David prayed in his Psalms, helping us to learn to how to pray also? Sure I haven't learned how to pray in the Holy Spirit, whatever that term means, but you haven't either?
What's wrong with studying how other inspired people prayed, so we learn from them?
Dave: " Christ in heaven is made of DNA flesh and blood
Therefore Christ cannot be God incarnate or this makes God Flesh and Blood (are you Mormon?)
Doesn't the humanity of Jesus get added to the Divinity of the Son of GOD? Have you not read how the mystery of the incarnation occurred. Jesus is both the SON of Man and the SON of GOD. You're suggesting Jesus is one or the other, I am saying Jesus is both.
Dave: " You speak of the Holy Spirit - but it is not God - and does nothing
The Holy Spirit is a Responder to Jesus Providing words, during Creation. Jesus spoke and the words stood fast. Jesus spoke and by the Holy Spirit of His mouth, those words of command were responded to. Surely the Holy Spirit does many things, but does so with Responding Love, not Providing Love. Jesus is a Provider. The Father is a Provider. There are differences in the personalities of loving with GOD.
Dave: " You say you are not an evolutionist - but God made two canines - and they grew
Stop mocking, we are on the same side. God creates both Tov and Ra, and we live in a world like this. so part of the world became more ra, after Adam caused sin (ra) to enter into our world. So Jesus created a world with the ability to move from tov to ra, should Adam sin, causing ra. Jesus foreknew this, and developed a world capable of doing this. So much of the changes in our world were designed that way, by Jesus.
But not all changes of ra come directly from GOD. Some changes were wrought by the fallen angels also changing the DNA code, so as to spoil the code, not in the sense of Creating better code.
This seems to suggest GOD also causes ra? no. Remember the shadow experiment? The natural elements of making ra observed come from GOD creating a world able to see ra should it happen, so in this sense GOD creates Ra, after all the rays of light, the maths and science of light, all have the ability to created virtual rays and make appear ra, should it be required. But GOD does NOT personally do RA.
The RA comes when you more towards or further from GOD, the light rays change, the shadows of death get larger or smaller. Its an affect, a science property GOD engineered.
Spiders used to drink nectar from flowers. When the flowers don't make nutritious nectar any more, GOD also designed another way for the spider to live, they used their web to catch flies instead.
Male mossies also drink nectar from flowers, but female mossies drink blood, because babies cannot develop on nectar anymore, so seeking blood is a better food.
Again the changes required for this is written in the DNA by Jesus, should a world of RA come upon the earth. The choice of this RA came directly from Adam. The suggestion that Satan told Eve, GOD was holding a creative process back from her, was true, but it was also deception. I do not see as you see two Creators, but one Creator and one Spoiler of Creation.
Dave: " You say you are not an evolutionist - but God made only two butterfly's and they changed and adapted into the 1000s of species we have today
Change was written in the DNA, evolution is not about written changes, but about creating new meaningful changes to the DNA, not written before; by naturalism. This cannot happen unless MIND writes INFORMATION. DNA code is not chemicals of A T C and G, randomly placed there. It is information, that comes from a Mind. Sure a Mind can write code that changes.
Evolution is about naturalism writing code, such a thing does not exist. Materials do not build themselves by random acts of creation. That's a silly notion. No I am not an evolutionist. Evolution is only about spoilers spoiling things.
GMO is a science of evolution, has the mind of Man created better code? no
Has man created a better organism? no, As I said, evolution is about Spoilers spoiling things.
You seem to suggest Satan and Mankind has never tried to alter the DNA code? Well they have, numerous times. Evolution is a science subject where mind spoils the divine code in the DNA. Since man and Satan are not smart enough, we can never learn to write intelligent DNA code, but man is trying to and learning to, but only spoiling things. This is also a type of evolution. They also suggest naturalism is a Creator. Not so. Only Minds create information. Evolution has nothing to do with GOD. Creation and Evolution share some comes aspects, such as small changes, but the bigger changes evolution has no answers for.
Dave: " God made only two butterfly's and they changed and adapted into the 1000s of species we have today
What's wrong with that statement you make? God made only two butterfly's and they changed and adapted into the 1000s of species of butterflies, we have today.
Dave: " OH ya - you say - ADAM and EVE were the first two Homo sapiens - then they changed somehow into the multiple species of humanoids which existed before homo sapiens
So we read data in the past differently. Bible says Adam was created first. Simple really. Who says they are other humanoids anyway? science does. Bible doesn't answer this question. But it does speak of "divers kinds" or what EGW calls "amalgamation of man with beast" whatever that means?
Is it possible after sin and ra flooded our world, that some humans, tempted by Satan and other fallen angels, to do more ra, GMO ra even? Could not intelligent man learn to alter the DNA of genes, like we do today?
Dave: " Maybe you should start over with something simple like - what is a toxic plant?
How do you define toxic?
Belladona will kill animals if they eat it - but in medicine it is an amazing clot buster
So the Belladona plant was designed by Jesus to be all TOV, now its a WEED? or toxic? Who makes these ideas? Man does. One man I read suggests weeds are plants helping the world of ra, making it suitable for other plants of Tov to live in it? Perhaps? Maybe enemy die this, as Jesus said? Perhaps.
We all ponder confusion, even over the world of plants we assume to be weeds, or toxic?
Dave: " you recommend Walter Veith
He misrepresented Judaism - The Kabbalah - and claimed that Jews think Christ is satan
Actually my Jeff Benner Jewish scholars suggested Jesus is Satan by rearranging Hebew letters. Most Jews do not like Jesus in the NT, so never read the NT or Daniel.
Dave: " I haven’t been talking about how to become a Christian – I have been addressing how to be a Christian
Oh.
Dave: " Paul says – once we are saved – we are in a struggle against whom?
not against flesh and blood – but - against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Yes but your Archons were naturally a design of GOD's creation, that gels with me. You make RA and TOV coming both from GOD, that also is wrong. It implies GOD does both Tov and Ra.
Sure we struggle against "against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world" because they are opponents against GOD, they oppose GOD, and therefore NOT designed by GOD, these entities became RA because of their sinning. I have a totally different theology to you.
Dave: " If you are not saved – you may not even be able to relate to the Reality of the Archon – because they leave you alone – they do not have to waste any energy on you
If you are near Christ – you are near the fire
The archons do not leave me alone, all my life I have been mocked for my ideas from Scripture. I deal with mockers all day. People do not read Hebrew words as they should. You term them into metaphors and write away their meanings.
When I tell my SDA friends about the Holy Spirit as a "she" because of the "wisdom" reference in Proverbs chapters 1 to 8, they say this is a metaphor of poetry, not like that in real life. GOD is spirit they say.
True the Holy Spirit is not gender female, but the reference relates to the way femaleness-love works as a function of personalities within the Godhead. My SDA friends refuse to listen to this also. Too deep they say.
And so we live as babes and forget the 90% of Scripture we don't understand. I really hope GOD can save us as babes, plucked as firebrands from the fire.
Dave: " Mind-Body has many attractants to keep “man” limited to only Mind-Body
Sex, Drugs, and Rock-n-Roll is the phrase – but more subtly, the desire for recognition by our fellow man (Fame, wealth, Power, etc) There are hundreds / 1000s of archon arrayed against man.
True.
Dave: "What is the very first step according to Paul – TRUTH
Walter Veith does not speak the truth – I am done with him
Seriously - of all televangelist - only Chuck Missler has/had the grace to alter his views over time - he grew in knowledge right in front of us - what a lesson for the rest of us
Walter Veith was once Roman Catholic, than Atheism, than Catholic, Now SDA, he changes too.
Dave: " Give me an example how Roman Christianity does this. Crusades, inquisition, 30 years war
Why didn’t the official Roman Catholic Church take a public stance against Hitler?
Who says the system of Roman Catholicism is only all Christian, is it not Pagan too? Would not the black Pope see Hitler on their side?
Dave: "Praying always in the Spirit – not with your mouth
Can you sin mid prayer? Does your mind wander to sinful things mid prayer? If you are always in prayer – it affects your behaviour
You raise an interesting question here? What's your answer? Never thought about this? Does the mind wander away from GOD when praying to GOD? I wouldn't think not. The Holy Spirit would see your intention and rule over your mind, which excludes the Satanic forces from ruling over your mind, thus you commune one on one with GOD.
Yes, But I sometimes ask GOD how do I know it's you talking to me and not some other evil spirit, like Satan or other fallen angels, and the answer I always receive is, by their fruits ye shall know them.
So Dave I ask you, how do you know which Spirit is talking to you in prayer? Can you pray to an Archon? Is this not deception? How do you discern the voices that influence our mind via our conscience?
Test the Spirits, John says. How? If they speak not according to the Torah these spirits have no light of dawn, they are Spirits of Darkness.
But since you see the Archons designed by GOD for our testing , you would not be overly concerned if they speak to you in prayer? Whereas for me, since the Archons were the first to sin against GOD, I pray only to GOD, and not to sinning Archons, since sin is something GOD wishes to exclude from heaven.
Since my Hebrew Bible says cherubs sinned before GOD and they wanted to like the Most High, than these Archons were the first angels who sinned.
Mankind is only the second kind of living creatures to have sinned. This makes sin an enemy of GOD, And GOD hates Beings who sin. Archons who chose to sin first saw GOD in all his glory face to face, and has no excuse for sin. Man on the other hand has never seen GOD face to face, and has an excuse, so GOD chose to save mankind from sin. I see a big difference here. God is kind to man. God is also kind to these fallen sinning angels, giving them time to experience their choice of RA, so mankind has time to choose GOD who wants to save Man.
You don't see entirely Scripture this way. How do you know you're NOT praying to an Evil Spirit, like Saul the king once did in the OT?
Jg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem;
Sure I see the way you read Scripture like this...
1Sa 16:14 ¶ But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
I get how to read the Scripture...
1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
God sees things differently than man does
1Sa 16:1 ¶ And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel?
Why does GOD reject Saul?
1Sa 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments.
So when you walk away from GOD (not doing His commandments) the choshek darkness of RA gets more darker, you become a walker in the shadow of death, as Scripture says. Who is doing this change of relationship ? You and GOD are? Why both?, because you're holding the hand of GOD as you walk away from Him. As you walk further and further away, in Science the light rays cross over, from virtual rays to real rays with an upside down life, as your image. Another ruler holds you hand. Who might this be? Satan, his other fallen angels, all the Beings who also love sinning as also hold your hand. God is no longer holding your hand. But is the shadow experiment observable by GOD, by light rays? yes. Scripture says, GOD ends an RA SPIRIT on you. Who is this evil spirit? Satan, the fallen angels. The forces of darkness. (not as you imply something to test us, designed by GOD for our good)
Dave: "I am not saying the Holy Spirits puts words in my mouth – buy it does press upon my heart to witness and my witness is on 24/7 – ask anyone who knows me. It is always a good witness? Maybe not! But it is real and honest
God bless your witness. I hope you have fruits of character like Scripture says, love, peace, joy, faith, perseverance, brotherly love. Shalom