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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 13:14:26 GMT -5
I didn't see your post Richard. Yes specific prayers, supportive prayers.. what do I mean by "support" for "faith". The Hebrew word is "amenuah" Click here for a big study on this important word spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htmShalom
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 14:47:33 GMT -5
I raise this thread again, now my FTP server connects again.
Dave showed me an interesting picture, confirming man landed on the moon. Seems convincing.
The photo has to be a close up of the moon surface, but how close? I show a Google Earth on my place, showing a lack of cattle tracks and quad tracks from 200m elevation as a picture.
Notice the pictures carefully.
If man really left tracks on the moon, what elevation of view would this be? Less than 200m above the moon surface? Google Earth cannot show me such pictures. The space craft would have to be very close to the moon surface to photo such pictures... did this happen? Or was the pictures faked? I don't know.
I suspect faked.
Four dots on right of house against fence as new gum trees, 1.5 m diameter. The challenger descent stage is about size of my round water tank, 12m diameter. The moon buggy tracks seem 1.5 or 1.2 metres wide, about same size as my front trees. But I can't see quad tracks or cattle tracks using the same scale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 15:00:22 GMT -5
Use Google Earth and see if you can see quad tracks or cattle tracks at my place
23°52'03.95" S 150°17'02.13" E
My farmer next door uses these all the time.
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Post by Dave on Jan 16, 2020 17:46:36 GMT -5
Hello - you argument is only valid if the images were taken by the same camera at least the same modle camera.
Why do you doubt the reality of current events - so many things must be false and fake
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Post by Dave on Jan 17, 2020 13:31:56 GMT -5
Robert – you make too many assumptions I offer the following from the perspective of an American #1 – Without a doubt – regardless if the satellite is operated by Australia – or Europe – or Russia and China The U.S. government regulates the resolution of imagery sold by commercial imaging satellite ownersWith our allies – it is peer pressure by America (loss of licensing, penalties, etc) With our enemies it is blackmail – Russia, Europe, and China can compete with Google Earth, but if they go beyond the limit of resolution publically available – America will expose them – Militarily From: US Spy Satellites at Diffraction Limit for Resolution Since 1971www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/09/us-spy-satellites-at-diffraction-limit-for-resolution-since-1971.htmlThe U.S. government regulates the resolution of imagery sold by commercial imaging satellite owners. DigitalGlobe claims panchromatic 31 cm resolution from 617 km altitude, for its Worldview 3 and 4 satellites, launched in 2014 and 2016, respectively. Commercial satellites have now achieved approximately the resolution of the Hexagon satellite, that KH-11 replaced by raising its apogee to 1000 km. The Wikipedia entry on the KH-11 satellites has a resolution of 6-centimeters listed. The sources listed were public documents from 1966 for the theory on the resolution and a 1989 book by astronomer Clifford Stoll. A perfect 2.4-meter mirror observing in the visual (i.e. at a wavelength of 500 nm) has a diffraction-limited resolution of around 0.05 arcsec, which from an orbital altitude of 250 km corresponds to a ground sample distance of 0.06 m (6 cm, 2.4 inches). Operational resolution should be worse due to effects of the atmospheric turbulence. Astronomer Clifford Stoll estimates that such a telescope could resolve up to “a couple inches. You want to see the documentation?Commercial Space and United States National Securityfas.org/spp/eprint/article06.html#12#2- as of 1966 US satellite resolution has been 6cm per pixel at 250 km through eath’s atm And – the US Government controls the release resolution by commercial entities #3- Google Earth - get all of its imagery from the US Government (NASA)Google Earth - WikipediaImagery resolution ranges from 15 meters of resolution to 15 centimeters. For much of the Earth, Google Earth uses digital elevation model data collected by NASA's Shuttle Radar Topography Mission. Initial release: June 11, 2001; 18 years ago Original author(s): Keyhole, Inc. #4 – look down imagery for Google Earth is 1 2.4 meter mirror looking down from 250 km through the earth’s atm - However – the images of the moon were taken by the the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LROC) www.lroc.asu.edu/aboutThe Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, or LROC, is a system of three cameras mounted on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) that capture high resolution black and white images and moderate resolution multi-spectral images of the lunar surface. LROC consists of two Narrow Angle Cameras (NACs) that are designed to provide 0.5 meter-scale panchromatic images over a 5 km swath, and a Wide Angle Camera (WAC) that provides images at a scale of 100 meters/pixel in seven color bands over a 60 km swath. In June of 2009, NASA launched the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a robotic spacecraft, now orbiting the Moon at an altitude of 50-200 km. LRO's primary objective is to make fundamental scientific discoveries about the Moon. #5- The LROC is THREE cameras working together designed to work from 30 to 50 miles above the moonThe image I posted was from www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.htmlNASA Spacecraft Images Offer Sharper Views of Apollo Landing SitesNASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) captured the sharpest images ever taken from space of the Apollo 12, 14 and 17 landing sites. Images show the twists and turns of the paths made when the astronauts explored the lunar surface. #6 - The higher resolution of these images is possible because of adjustments made to LRO's orbit, which is slightly oval-shaped or elliptical. "Without changing the average altitude, we made the orbit more elliptical, so the lowest part of the orbit is on the sunlit side of the moon," said Goddard's John Keller, deputy LRO project scientist. "This put LRO in a perfect position to take these new pictures of the surface." The maneuver lowered LRO from its usual altitude of approximately 31 miles (50 kilometers) to an altitude that dipped as low as nearly 13 miles (21 kilometers) as it passed over the moon's surface. The spacecraft has remained in this orbit for 28 days, long enough for the moon to completely rotate. This allows full coverage of the surface by LROC's Wide Angle Camera. The cycle ends today when the spacecraft will be returned to its 31-mile orbit. Appels and Oranges!Google Earth and American spy satellites are not the same resolution Google Earth technology isn’t even same as the LROC 3 camera composite imagery Google Earth gets all its imagery from NASA with limits set by the US Government Google Earth is looking down from 250km through earth’s atm The LROC flew down to 13 miles and looked through no atm
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Post by Dave on Jan 17, 2020 17:43:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 4:54:48 GMT -5
wow, and such fine camera pictures, ... were they taken of the moon near the landing? why isn't this data published all over the Internet of the moon?
When was this picture taken and how?
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Post by Dave on Jan 18, 2020 8:32:03 GMT -5
were they taken of the moon near the landing? why isn't this data published all over the Internet of the moon? When was this picture taken and how? Seriously – Were they taken of the moon – are they pictures of the landing? I started writing to you last night – but slept – here it is 4am and I am on fire to show you why I am a Gnostic. This is a perfect example of Gnostic cosmology – please read I could not be more serious First – I don’t know what you think, but I’ll speak to you as if you do not believe America went to the Moon Great Questions – 1- If we really went to the moon – why haven’t we been back – why hasn’t anyone been back? 2- And – why is there a vocal conspiracy to deny that we even could? 3- Why would governments around the world lie to us – about the reality of ‘other life’ in space, on the Moon, or Mars? My answers here Read more: ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/428/moon-rising-di-jose-escamilla#ixzz6BO9aFqCn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 14:30:49 GMT -5
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.(KJV)
Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Term "bane elohiym" , you say are archons making humanoid demi gods?
We have been through this study already...
An offshoot of this study is to believe their are alien forces and hideouts on the moon, hence why humans haven't gone back to the moon. Sounds good as a theory. After all there is plenty of UFO sightings, video footage, and giants killed in recent times all confirming this.
You speak often to me about Satan can't be a creator god, so what are these archons doing to have sexual intercourse with humans, and make demi-gods? Is this not evil becoming a "creator god"?
Personally I cannot see how angels, or other beings like archons, could have sex with humans, because I do not support the idea that Ra can be created in this way. Ra doesn't create anything. All Ra does is destroy. Sure fallen angels can mess human DNA and make us corrupt more quickly, make strange humanoids perhaps, like giants, but GOD would have controlled the limit of their interference, as you so plainly point out, God controls everything, including RA. But I see angels and humans as different creature kinds, and they can't have sex. Scripture never speaks of angels having this function anyhow.
In order to prove all your stuff, it has to come from Hebrew Bibles first, why? Because if you do not speak from here, there is no light of dawn in you.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
So your references to "bane elohiym" as alien beings is false. The term more likely refers to "followers of GOD, such as humans, and maybe other unfallen beings"
I also do not accept your idea of archons being a byproduct of creation, as if GOD can't create a totally pure universe of TOV. Your God is not powerful enough to do so? Create a world without all TOV and no RA? I believe my GOD did, and can.
Since you have a different reading of Scripture Dave, our comments cannot proceed further.
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Post by Dave on Jan 19, 2020 5:19:43 GMT -5
Reproduction is not creation. You have children – are you a creator now also?
The view that Gen 6 is about ‘other humans’ is called the Sethian view
My view are very Jewish – again you insist that all Jews must accept Catholic doctrine Jews are Jewish – not Catholic
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Post by Dave on Jan 19, 2020 7:10:14 GMT -5
I also do not accept your idea of archons being a byproduct of creation, as if GOD can't create a totally pure universe of TOV. Your God is not powerful enough to do so? Create a world without all TOV and no RA? I believe my GOD did, and can. Every Messianic Jew I know, as well as, myself, and the Rabbinic studies presented here all - See God as Absoluteand the notion that God is not absolute is the initial expression of arrogance, your choshek of Gen 1:2, that caused God to create the light of Gen 1:3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 13:12:30 GMT -5
I see God as Absolute...
When you do the shadow experiment, how is the darkness created? by the light. Whom is the light? God is. Can't do the experiment without light. duh
I am not talking about that aspect of the experiment.
I am talking about the hand... you and who influences your hand to move towards GOD or away from GOD.
Your implying a powerful GOD cannot create a universe without RA in it?
Which by definition according to the shadow experiment implies GOD made the universe away from GOD, so darkness would be created, like Archons for instance.
My idea of GOD, created a universe close to GOD, so no darkness existed at all, no archons, no fallen angels, nothing of sin anywhere. No friction either, so Beings walked about on the wings of the Holy Spirit, ie they were carried.
Only after battling long with you, I saw perhaps the choshek of Gen 1:2, may imply GOD created a universe with TOV and RA already in it, because many angels had ready sinned by this time, so the "hands" of many Beings were moving away from the "light". This implies angels have free will, and can sin, otherwise how can you have a war in heaven? You don't like this idea?
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Post by Dave on Jan 19, 2020 20:09:05 GMT -5
Your implying a powerful GOD cannot create a universe without RA in it? Which by definition according to the shadow experiment implies GOD made the universe away from GOD, so darkness would be created, like Archons for instance. The only thing I am implying is that scripture is true Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create (bara) darkness (choshek) I make peace, and create (bara) evil: (RA) I the LORD do all (kole) these things. כּול כּלo - H3605 - kole,(Strongs) From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): - (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever). I support scripture – it says God created the RA and the choshek Therefore your experiment is flawed This statement is counter to Isa 45:7 Regardless by Gen 1:2 choshek existed Correct - agreed It only took one – it only took one EVE It only took one who first thought that God-is-not-absolute – the first arrogant thought You say it was many angels – I say it was 'one' Chief Archon Or it implies that it is all God’s Will – The notion that any one angel or many angels could possible alter God’s Will – change God’s Plan for creation – is a declaration that God-is-not-absolute Or it implies it is all God’s WillThe Hypostasis of the Archons - The Nag Hammadi Library… envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes. But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained. Authoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi LibraryAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish. He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists. And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 13:21:45 GMT -5
I am not overly against your ideas Dave,
First The Nag Hammadi Library is written in a language that is not Hebrew. Second GOD inspired followers to copy Hebrew throughout the ages, though I get it that others in other folds are also followers and thus copies the words in their language.
I can't read Coptic words electronically reading English interlinear, hence cannot cross reference it with Hebrew easily. The most common received text is the small versions of Hebrew we have today, in the OT as KJV has, based on Greek, as you point out. Its the best I have right now.
We are all judged by the light we have.
If the The Nag Hammadi Library helps you know GOD more, that's great for you. As for me, I will stick to the smaller collection of Hebrew, the KJV collected known as the OT, sure its not all the Jewish scrolls, but its a start.
Dave: "I support scripture – it says God created the RA and the choshek Therefore your experiment is flawed
Your comments are weak my friend. The shadow experiment shows darkness or RA is created by light, hence GOD. What's the problem?
If you look into the physics of the experiment, in order to create RA, light DOES NOT enter the regions of the darkness, by definition. (ie umbra shadows)
But you're implying GOD does RA personally, I am saying GOD doesn't.
Light only enters into preumbra shadows, what Scripture calls "chataah" or "sin-offerings" or "confessed sins unto GOD" hence light enters into the darkness with you. Read I John, the whole book.
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Post by Dave on Jan 20, 2020 23:33:14 GMT -5
Dave: "I support scripture – it says God created the RA and the choshek Therefore your experiment is flawedYour comments are weak my friend. The shadow experiment shows darkness or RA is created by light, hence GOD. What's the problem? I was only responding to your comment of your own experiment Your implying a powerful GOD cannot create a universe without RA in it? Which by definition according to the shadow experiment implies GOD made the universe away from GOD, so darkness would be created, like Archons for instance.
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