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Post by Dave on Apr 16, 2022 6:59:36 GMT -5
Next question: el shadday and elah are both el's mentions lots of times in Job and little mention of elohiym. Do you agree with this sentence? What is your specific question that you want me to agree to? List your verse and ask a specific question THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD is always my answer any attempt to prove your pantheon of multiple gods is rejected with predigest
D"YES - those are some examples - there are many more - R" so you do not support the royal torah, the ten commandments? These are rules about how to love? ROBERT – stop your shit – or I will block you from this form The depths of your insults and disrespect is accumulating rapidly! I desire an intelligent discussion - are you capable of that?
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (KJV)
Notice it translates the word amanuah into faith here, not belief as you say is all you need. The commandments of GOD spell out the ways of loving.
G4102 – πίστις - persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Why is faith mentioned here? Because it is the way we love God sinlessly. I care nothing for your word games Robert –circles upon circle just so you can support your satan faith
D"Your understanding of scripture is lacking - or you would not say such things R" You misunderstood me. Re 14:12 is the ultimate test for every true follower of GOD.
Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
You can preach the Law all you want – it is falling on deaf ears – I am a agl/NT Christian
Gal 2:16 Yet we know that a person is set right not by deeds based on Torah, but rather through putting trust in Messiah Yeshua. So even we have put our trust in Messiah Yeshua, in order that we might be set right based on trust in Messiah and not by deeds based on Torah—because no human will be justified by deeds based on Torah.
Rom 3:20 For no human, on the basis of Torah observance, will be set right in His sight—for through the Torah comes awareness of sin.
You can preach the Law all you want – it is falling on deaf ears – I am a agl/NT Christian
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah?” Mat 22:37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mat 22:40 The entire Torah and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Joh 15:12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. Joh 15:13 No one has greater love than this: that he lay down his life for his friends.
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We have all been offered the free gift of being “passed over”—salvation. That gift is by faith in the shed blood of Yeshua who is our Passover Lamb.
We cannot receive salvation by faith in our own works or perceived goodness." They incorrectly posted "We cannot receive salvation by faith in our own works or perceived goodness" Why do you deny Gal 2:16 – Rom 3:20 – Mat 22:36-40 – John 15:12-13?
A person cannot do faith on their own. You cannot fellowship on your own? – you cannot pray on your own? – you cannot praise on your own? You cannot care for the sick on your own? – you cannot give to the widows on your own?
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE FORCED TO SERVE THE LORD?
The Messanic Jews are correct in saying if we do the works of the law ourselves or the perceived goodness, than our pious efforts mean nothing to GOD. So yes human rituals of goodness mean nothing to the Lord. When I said this – to had to dissagree
Mt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Mainstream Christianity teach this rest as Heb 4:1-11 You deny it exist – all you promise is the grave
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. YOU DENY THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRT – then you post this as if this promise is open to all who enter the front door of your church building made of brick and mortar
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 17:23:47 GMT -5
Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. Why does Job not speak of elohiym he speaks of eloah instead?
Job 3:24 For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.
Ps 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Ps 22:14 I am poured out like water,
Job uses the same anguish as Yashuah did, the same Hebrew words "sh@agah" and "mayim"
Job refers this to "eloah" , not elohiym, and Jesus refers this to "el" and speaks again of another "el"
This suggests to me the word "elohiym" is broken into parts, like a "family" has "members".
We know from Scripture the word "elohiym" is a simile meaning to "family power"
Judges are examples of "powers belonging to a family bar. Moses was made a family power to Pharoah, Aaron his brother.
Looking in the Psalm 22 about Yashuah the Son in agony we find
"el" "el" meantioned twice.
There are three "el"'s in Scripture eloah - father el shadday - mother Emmanu-el - Son like Eloah
Together with echad, compound unity these personalities of love become ONE elohiym
Testing this hypothesis....
Ps 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Whose womb is this? Not Mary's she was no god, has to be el shadday, compassion centre
What about the birth / incarnation of the divine son with humanity?
Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The el shadday comes over Mary The eloah Most High also come over Mary that born in you is called the Son of Elohiym
This is now natural birth process happens on earth, and we see two el's in the process. Mary is just a surrogate of the borning process.
If you consider "elohiym" to be solitary "e"l of power, why doesn't Scripture use words to suggest this idea?
Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac,
The Hebrew word for cardinally one is "yachiyd"
Ps 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
How many divine sons does elohiiym have? Above verse says cardinally one is "yachiyd"
Ps 68:6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.
Notice elohiym rescues cardinally one family bound in chains... what does this mean?
Pr 4:3 For I was my father's son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.
Solomon is a cardinally one child of the mother.
Zec 12:10 ... and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
If God wanted to say "yachiyd" "elohiym" He would write that If God wanted to write I am "yachiyd" YHWH He could write that
But Scripture does not say these things. -------------------------------------------
D" ROBERT – stop your shit – or I will block you from this form The depths of your insults and disrespect is accumulating rapidly! I desire an intelligent discussion - are you capable of that?
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the "G4102 – πίστις - persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity"of Jesus.
I care nothing for your word games Robert –circles upon circle just so you can support your satan faith
R" So you click on Strong's and take Strongs to mean the word for you...that's "an intelligent discussion " is it? How you do find the meaning of a word Dave? line upon line, remember you quote this to me?
From Jeff Benner dictionary of Greek to Hebrew
Grk#:4102 / pis-tis (noun): Faith Freq:&244 Heb#:530 אמונה / e-mu-nah (noun): Firmness—Securely fixed in place.
How about that, the word amanuah is here in Rev 14:12. And now you term this word meaning a "satan faith" meaning? I feel sorry for you,
D"You can preach the Law all you want – it is falling on deaf ears – I am a agl/NT Christian R" Fair enough, than I will stop preaching to you, as you feel saved already and your understanding of faith as "belief" is enough for you.
D"YOU DENY THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRT R" What does this sentence you posted mean to you Dave?
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
What does this passage mean to you Dave?
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Post by Dave on Apr 16, 2022 19:33:13 GMT -5
There are three "el"'s in Scripture eloah - father el shadday - mother Emmanu-el - Son like Eloah
I am glad you finally agree There is only One true God = that man cannot comprehend because he is greater than our reality But we can experience the Spirit of God which is Holy and we can experience the form of God = Christ -------------------------------------------
How about that, the word amanuah is here in Rev 14:12. And now you term this word meaning a "satan faith" meaning? I feel sorry for you, You preach to me that this verse demands that I do rituals as commanded by the ahl/OT That is preaching the Law – it is not a Christian teaching
D"You can preach the Law all you want – it is falling on deaf ears – I am a agl/NT Christian R" Fair enough, than I will stop preaching to you, as you feel saved already and your understanding of faith as "belief" is enough for you. YES ROBERT I believe and I feel secure in my salvation You have been a SDA for how long – where is your security – worried about losing your salvation if you do not do the correct rituals – daily - you say
D"YOU DENY THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRT R" What does this sentence you posted mean to you Dave?
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
What does this passage mean to you Dave?
When you are in Communion with the Spirit – it is JOY – that is a good way to describe it You do not want it to end – stay with me Renew – bara (fatten) – my (yester tov - spirit) what was there already just needs remembered
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 13:47:16 GMT -5
D"I am glad you finally agree There is only One true God = that man cannot comprehend because he is greater than our reality But we can experience the Spirit of God which is Holy and we can experience the form of God = Christ R" You readers must love your brevity and confusing. I wrote may sentences including testing my views with many verses, and I showed examples of the three "el" in Scripture.
What does Dave write? Brevity and stubbornly sticks to his own dialog, without a single discussion mentioned. How dogmatic you are.
D" You preach to me that this verse demands that I do rituals as commanded by the ahl/OT That is preaching the Law – it is not a Christian teaching R" Again Dave I never said anything about rituals. You invent stuff to mock anybody who challenges you.
Is drinking water, eating food and breathing air, so we can live, a ritual to you?
D"When you are in Communion with the Spirit – it is JOY – that is a good way to describe it R" Pentecostal Churches feel joy and speak in tongues all the time, is this the gnosis you speak of? Why not join with them? Why do you guard the Sabbath keeping, is that a moral law, is that also a ritual ?
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Post by Dave on Apr 17, 2022 15:41:46 GMT -5
D"I am glad you finally agree There is only One true God = that man cannot comprehend because he is greater than our reality But we can experience the Spirit of God which is Holy and we can experience the form of God = Christ R" You readers must love your brevity and confusing. I wrote may sentences including testing my views with many verses, and I showed examples of the three "el" in Scripture. Correct – el Father – who is God el – that man cannot comprehend – always om His throne el Holy Spirit – who is the Spirit God el - that is Holy and moves among the people el Christ – who is the form of God el – who put on flesh to walk as the Son of Man What does Dave write? Brevity and stubbornly sticks to his own dialog, without a single discussion mentioned. How dogmatic you are. Here is my discussion Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. So why do you deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate?D" You preach to me that this verse demands that I do rituals as commanded by the ahl/OT That is preaching the Law – it is not a Christian teaching R" Again Dave I never said anything about rituals. IT IS HOW YOU and the SDA TEST that you believe – by obeying CommandmentsD"When you are in Communion with the Spirit – it is JOY – that is a good way to describe it R" Pentecostal Churches feel joy and speak in tongues all the time, is this the gnosis you speak of? Why not join with them? YES it is – All Jews – all Messianic Jews – all Mainstream Christians – and Gnostic Christians all seek that close one on one relationship with the CreatorONLY you and Ellen White preach against the spirit I do not attend a Pentecostal church for the same reason I belong to no church The man-made our way only club that forces standardization – one size fits all – placing round pegs into square holes Why do you guard the Sabbath keeping, is that a moral law, is that also a ritual ?Robert – you are so shallow it is embarrassing for youMat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ Mat 5:28 But I tell you that everyone who looks upon a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If mom forced you out of bed and drags you to church – it is a ritual If you are sick in bed and cannot go – but hold the Lord in your heart – you are keeping the Sabbath Robert – very bluntly – very plain – what you think you know about Judaism is a Christian myth If you understood qorbots / korbots – you would understand the words of Jesus in Mat 5:27-28 If you are a Jew – a forced slave – forced to eat pork and work on the Sabbath – you are not forced to hell If you are a Jew in a foreign land – no Temple – no Rabbi – no Jewish community – how do you keep all of the commandments of Moses - you cannot – it is impossible – instead you qorbats / korbots You do the best you can wherever you are – giving to the widows does not require a Temple Doing a sacrifice – does not require a Temple If you lost your right hand in battel for the Lord – does this mean you can never receive communion again? All Jews ate Pentecostal Christians – All Messianic Jews are Pentecostal Christians – all Mainstream Christians are – Pentecostal – Every original Messianic Jew / First Christians were all 100% Pentecostal It should be NO SURPRISE that true deeply held Judaism is just Pentecostal Christianity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 4:52:08 GMT -5
Greetings Dave, I read you post but little sense of it.
Care to explain again?
D"If you understood qorbots / korbots
R" No idea
D"All Jews ate Pentecostal Christians
R" What does this imply or mean?
D"I do not attend a Pentecostal church for the same reason I belong to no church
R" Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Scripture tells us to to assembly every Sabbath.
D"IT IS HOW YOU and the SDA TEST that you believe – by obeying Commandments
R" Yes more or less, the royal law, the ten commandments are directions showing us how to love, and is a mirror to see how well we are loving God and others or not.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
You cannot obey the law in your own strength, you obey using powers from God, which through flow into you by faith; so the ten commandments are promised seeds of victory/power.
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Post by Dave on Apr 18, 2022 6:09:10 GMT -5
D"If you understood qorbots / korbots R" No idea What a waste of time – I spent many post discussing this with you – what did you learn then? You do not want to know – because you are serious It is obvious to everyone
You have the authority to argue the Jews are wrong – yet you have no clue what they teach or believe Everything King Solomon says MUST BE A TOTAL LIE – but you have no idea what he said You do not want to know – because you are serious It is obvious to everyone
D"All Jews are Pentecostal Christians R" What does this imply or mean? What a waste of time – I spent many post discussing this with you – what did you learn then? You do not want to know – because you are serious It is obvious to everyone
Why do you deny the many ahl/OT stories of prophets speaking with the Lord Why do you deny the amazing spiritual events of 2 Kings 6? All Jews seek the personal relationship with the creator – all Jews are Pentecostal Christians
D"I do not attend a Pentecostal church for the same reason I belong to no church R" Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Scripture tells us to to assembly every Sabbath.
WHAT A RELIGIOUS LIE
Heb 10:24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good deeds. Heb 10:25 And do not neglect our own meetings, as is the habit of some, but encourage one another—and all the more so as you see the Day approaching. And do not neglect our own meetings, Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,
G1997 - ἐπισυναγωγή - a complete collection; specifically a Christian meeting (for worship): - assembling (gathering) together.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.”
MANDATORY CHURCH ATTENDANCE - WHAT A RELIGIOUS LIE
D"IT IS HOW YOU and the SDA TEST that you believe – by obeying Commandments R" Yes more or less, the royal law,
SORRY – preach the law to someone else – I am a New Testament Christian
Rom 3:20 For no human, on the basis of Torah observance, will be set right in His sight—for through the Torah comes awareness of sin.
Gal 2:16 Yet we know that a person is set right not by deeds based on Torah, but rather through putting trust in Messiah Yeshua. So even we have put our trust in Messiah Yeshua, in order that we might be set right based on trust in Messiah and not by deeds based on Torah—because no human will be justified by deeds based on Torah.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 16:14:01 GMT -5
D"Everything King Solomon says MUST BE A TOTAL LIE – but you have no idea what he said You do not want to know R" Show me a link to other things Solomon wrote and I will read them for you.
D"And do not neglect our own meetings, Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, G1997 - ἐπισυναγωγή - a complete collection; specifically a Christian meeting (for worship): - assembling (gathering) together. Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” MANDATORY CHURCH ATTENDANCE - WHAT A RELIGIOUS LIE R" I see. Mt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mr 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door.
Lu 12:1 ¶ In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Yes I agree with you, a home church is a small family church meeting we run as Adon in our home or community.
But what about regular gatherings of larger groups of like minded people? We would be in danger of practicing selfish fruits rather that sharing our fruits with others.
D"Rom 3:20 For no human, on the basis of Torah observance, will be set right in His sight—for through the Torah comes awareness of sin.
Gal 2:16 Yet we know that a person is set right not by deeds based on Torah, but rather through putting trust in Messiah Yeshua. So even we have put our trust in Messiah Yeshua, in order that we might be set right based on trust in Messiah and not by deeds based on Torah—because no human will be justified by deeds based on Torah. R" completely agree with you, but you have no concept of amanuah in your life, so why do you quote verses with amanuah in them?
Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
We are made straight by amanuah in Jesus, your translation doesn't say that correctly.
SO let me test your view in a practical way Dave..... you walk meeting women in the towns and local families you associate with...
You look with eye candy, you lust at their young figures and this eye candy is OK to you? Is this yester ra to you?
How do you avoid the temptation to not have sex with the woman in your mind, or worse to commit adultery with her? But than you consider you are free not to follow the ten commandments of love? Are you faithful to your partner? Why remain faithful if there are no rules to govern your walk in the Spirit?
With me, if I see such things, I speak in my mind "Lord keep my eye single" this is a prayer promise of faith, and the power to look within missing empower me immediately. It's not a ritual I do, I speak words of faith in prayer and the Lord Jesus empowers me. I choose which words to sow and the powers come. Often the hardest faith word to sow is "Lord control my tongue", we often speak in our own words of Baal, and so missing happens when we serve two masters. This fight of faith is what Paul is speaking about in Gal 2:16.
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 5:22:37 GMT -5
D"Everything King Solomon says MUST BE A TOTAL LIE – but you have no idea what he said You do not want to know R" Show me a link to other things Solomon wrote and I will read them for you. Help me to understand the functional role of these archons you speak of and what was they are like?
Please comment on the life and trials of King Solomon - it is ahl/OT I am happy to read your research and comment where I can. YOU DO NOT MEAN WHAT YOU SAY!And now – if you do watch this presentation – it is obvious you will just deny everything – you refuses to understand – you do not want to understand You have zero academic credibility - you are not a serious student - you are not interesting in learning anything - all you desire is yto push your satan religion - I know who you are You are NOT capabible of having an academic discussion - you avoid - then deflect - and result to name calling You have a Catholic Fallen Angel Religion – there is no need for you to understand MANDATORY CHURCH ATTENDANCE - WHAT A RELIGIOUS LIER" I see. Yes I agree with you, a home church is a small family church meeting we run as Adon in our home or community. Usually a home church is a once a week phenomenon – I am speaking of a 24/7 walk as a Christian But what about regular gatherings of larger groups of like minded people? We would be in danger of practicing selfish fruits rather that sharing our fruits with others. DUH – DUH – and DUH – why do you disrespect scripture
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” R" completely agree with you, but you have no concept of amanuah in your life, so why do you quote verses with amanuah in them? YOUR PERSONAL INSULT IS ACCUMULATING – judge yourself sir!Is this the Ellen White SDA way – if people will not accept your satan teaching you disrespect your host If you cannot make an intelligent presentation or argument – you just attack the individualName calling and finger pointing went out of fashon in the 5th grade- grow up - read a book - learn - be intelligent - take scripture seriously - your choice
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 15:52:59 GMT -5
D" If you cannot make an intelligent presentation or argument – you just attack the individualR" sorry I do not mean to offend, I was pointing out you see "amanuah as belief", and you limit the meaning to your own understanding. I am asking you to discuss if my understanding of faith is correct, but you mock me by refusing to discuss the meanings I present, calling them rituals. It seems we cannot discuss Scripture at all, because we have such different views of even the Scripture, I find that amazing to say the least. Yet we both respect Jeff Benner? Once we discussed "Kathestemi" and you argued it means only to "establish" and after a long while I finally agreed with you, it means only to "establish" (yes). But that is not the finished role of "establish", if you look at all the contexts, the meaning is to "establish a ruler who rules". So when we look at Scripture you see narrow technical precise views, like a translator does. But I want to know what is the end goal of the word "Establish" in the verses it's used in. And reading through the verses, the end goal is to "establish a ruler". However you ignore this idea? Some verses write short cuts. Why can't we agree to disagree and just see our different views at least? But you seem to see Scripture as not infallible so you are free to explore other writings. Sorry I am not with you on this idea. To me the Hebrew is the only message that is God inspired. Sure humans write short cuts as in any language, so we have to find the message under these human pens, and seek the message from the Divine. D" if people will not accept your satan teaching you disrespect your hostR" You do not have an origin of sin, whereas I do, using Scripture you ignore. I am not interested in the aruwm creature that much. The Twisted Head. Jews do not have a Gah letter even, Jeff Benner says it got lost. However, the twisted head is significant because the DNA is a twisting head over the human soul. Question" Why was the Aruwn in the garden, symbolized with its own tree? You do not agree with this? You started saying the tree was the only tree, in the middle of Eden but in fact there are TWO trees in the middle of Eden, not one as you claim. A tree is a simile of power, a strong authority. Ps 80:10 The hills were covered .. (with).. the goodly "'el" cedars ('erez).. (KJV) The hills were covered (with) the strong authority of cedars Therefore we see TWO strong authorities in the Garden of Eden. Why is the other forbidden tree called the tree of twisting functions? Because it is the tree of "aruwm" the twisted head. But you ignore this presentation. Notice I can identify the "Aruwm" using Moses torah only. Jeff explains the twisting means clockwise with counterclockwise. This is the same idea as the DNA, it has clockwise code with counterclockwise code, both twisted together. I find it strange the aruwm is the simile of this theme, and thanks to you for bringing this new message and understanding to me, so our discussions are useful to me too SO my discussion is intelligent and serious, way beyond the confines of the SDA, who read only English and do not read these things in Hebrew, nor do they have the influence of Jeff Benner we have. You took me under your wing because we both respect Jeff Benner, but I wonder if you do as much as me? What are your views of this Aruwm presentation? SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 17:35:14 GMT -5
D"If you cannot make an intelligent presentation or argument – you just attack the individual R" sorry I do not mean to offendIt is your Christian style – when you cannot support you own views – you attack others in defense It is not the work of a scholar – it is not the work of a serious student It is a tantrum by the immature I was pointing out you see "amanuah as belief", and you limit the meaning to your own understanding. I am asking you to discuss if my understanding of faith is correct, Your entire treatus is posted here for discussion!What does Faith mean? by Roberttponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/542/faith-mean-robertt42 total post to that thread Do you need to go back and change something – then do so – stop whining about it as if no is allowing you to speak but you mock me by refusing to discuss the meanings I present, calling them rituals. YES – you want to teach that you have to do things daily or you could loose your salvation Or – you teach that you need to be resaved each and every dayIT IS NOT AN agl/NT CHRISTIAN TEACHING!You make salvation complicated and cumbersome and you teach doubtOnce we discussed "Kathestemi" and you argued it means only to "establish" and after a long while I finally agreed with you, it means only to "establish" (yes). But that is not the finished role of "establish", if you look at all the contexts, the meaning is to "establish a ruler who rules".You do not have a valid excuse for you sin Your choices are your choices alone – stop trying to blame it all on your satan godJews – Messianic Jews – NT Christians are – liberated – we are free – we are healed You want to be a victim – who has taught you that you are just a victim?Why can't we agree to disagree and just see our different views at least? There is more than One True God Christ is not God Jesus Christ is not God incarnate There is no such thing as spirit – spirituality – Baptism of the Holy Spirit OH – and satan is the god of evil –Ezk 28 proves itSorry Robert – all of this are false teachings that I will never tolerateD"if people will not accept your satan teaching you disrespect your host R" You do not have an origin of sin, whereas I do, using Scripture you ignore.For the MILLIONTH time Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. sin came into the world through one (human being) - and that was EveTherefore we see TWO strong authorities in the Garden of Eden. Why is the other forbidden tree called the tree of twisting functions? Because it is the tree of "aruwm" the twisted head.YOU TWIST SCRIPTURE INTO YOUR WORD GAMEGen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat. Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” It was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil The only thing that happened was EDUCATIONBut you ignore this presentation. Notice I can identify the "Aruwm" using Moses torah only.I am an agl/NT Christian Rev 12:9 And the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 15:49:02 GMT -5
D"Do you need to go back and change something – then do so – stop whining about it as if no is allowing you to speak
but you mock me by refusing to discuss the meanings I present, calling them rituals. YES – you want to teach that you have to do things daily or you could loose your salvation
R" I went back and re-read all our posts.
If you looked at a woman during shopping one day, with eye-candy, how do you stop the rising temptation of yester RA in your mind Dave?
If I saw such a temptation come I would pray in my mind "Lord keep my eye single" and the temptation would immediately cease.
What I have done is called "faith", you pray a prayer promise (return words from Scripture( and the power from Jesus flows. This is not a ritual. It's the only method in Scripture by which we live in Jesus, that means something of great value to God.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 21, 2022 3:25:41 GMT -5
If you looked at a woman during shopping one day, with eye-candy, how do you stop the rising temptation of yester RA in your mind Dave? If I saw such a temptation come I would pray in my mind "Lord keep my eye single" and the temptation would immediately cease.
What I have done is called "faith", you pray a prayer promise Cool – keep practicing your religion Pray the right prayers - eat the right food - follow the right prophet - what else do you call faith? So you teach sin then pray for forgivness Televangelist calls these JUST PRAYERS - when Christians are in that apology phase - every prayer begins with if you Just forgive me for this and Just forgive me for that - and the Christian spends all their time apologizing for stuff God already knows. What is a sexual sin - according to the Amish you and I are both adulterers My grandpa probably never saw grandma naked – at 90 yrs old she still dressed in the dark YET Jacob fathered the 12 tribes by 5 different women – some he was married to and some he OWNED Solomon was blessed – and he had a harem I want to return to something D and I were discussing – perspective Is the women in the picture a young beautiful maiden – or an old ugly hag Answer – if you spend all day with youth – you see youth Answer – if you spend all day with the elderly – you see the old hag D posted a video about walking in the spirit – the more you walk in it the more you begin to see Gnostic Phrase – Recognize what is in your sight If you ever ministered to a prostitute – heard their confession – knew their life – you would not see them as eye candy – your heart would break Then if they do come to a church – the women judge them and several of the men are / were customers and don’t want them there – or follow them home hoping to be customers AND why I no longer claim allegiance to Roman Christianity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 18:20:56 GMT -5
D"Answer – if you spend all day with youth – you see youth Answer – if you spend all day with the elderly – you see the old hag
D posted a video about walking in the spirit – the more you walk in it the more you begin to see Gnostic Phrase – Recognize what is in your sight If you ever ministered to a prostitute – heard their confession – knew their life – you would not see them as eye candy – your heart would break
Then if they do come to a church – the women judge them and several of the men are / were customers and don’t want them there – or follow them home hoping to be customers
R" Wow this is perhaps the best post I have every received from you Dave.
D"Televangelist calls these JUST PRAYERS -
R" Maybe they are the prayers of a little child learning to walk in the Lord?
D"you would not see them as eye candy – your heart would break
R" That is so true....
D"Answer – if you spend all day with youth – you see youth Answer – if you spend all day with the elderly – you see the old hag
R"By beholding we are changed? Maybe our prayer promises over time become attitude channels of grace?
What are you thoughts on this ?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2022 1:59:35 GMT -5
D"Televangelist calls these JUST PRAYERS - R" Maybe they are the prayers of a little child learning to walk in the Lord? R"By beholding we are changed? Maybe our prayer promises over time become attitude channels of grace?
Correct – Most believers start out DOING godly things – TRYING to be a good Christian – but realize they are just animal.
If you are retarded today – and accept the Lord – you are still retarded If you have cancer today – and accept the Lord – you still have cancer You are a man today – upon accepting the Lord – you are still a man – same ole animal lusts, wants, and desires
New INSECURE believers – often fall into the guilt trap of Catholicism – I am a sinner – I am ashamed – I’ll try harder – I apologies = JUST PRAYERS
These are practicing believers – they practice ‘rituals’ over and over – go to church – do a bible study – tithe – volunteer – take communion – help with the children – visit the sick – give to the widows - say your prayers –
All of it mitzvah – all of it good / beneficial – because it is supposed to generate personal growth – a personal relationship with the Lord – spirit to Spirit Communion
The Jews – dressed up funny and put on their parades 6-8 times a years – From the beginning – do I need to atone – God tabernacles with man (twice) – salvation is only by the Lord – Passover (3 part celebration) – then Harvest – Pentecost
Over and over they walked / practiced / these rituals – all of it good / beneficial – because it is supposed to generate personal growth - a personal relationship with the Lord – spirit to Spirit Communion
Jews and Christians a like – teach the harvest – Pentecost – First Fruits ------------------------
D"you would not see them as eye candy – your heart would break R" That is so true....
Your example – Not picking on you – but it is the perfect example You are walking down the road and pass an attractive woman – worse an attractive woman offering herself to you 1- if you live in WORLD – and your thoughts are of work and taxes – bills – responsibilities – kids – wives – your debt – your next pay check – my government – these women look (yester ra) yummy – it is the animal response 2- if you are walking in the Spirit – having a discussion with God – contemplating scripture – admiring the beauty of the world God has given us – praising Him for the rain that is soaking you – praising Him for the wind that make me chase my hat There is no harm is complimenting a beautiful woman – God was good to her / blessed her To the other woman – you only feel sadness for her – want to witness to her
If you walk in the WORLD – all you see is world – it is what you expect to see If you walk in the Spirit – you see things – you understand things – things seem scriptural IS THIS SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT?
On some level – I must admit – YES It is inspiration / revelation – or just a change of perspective
There are 827 scientific different theories about everything Einstein developed a theory that was scriptural – Psa 90:4 + 2 Pet 3:8 – Time is relative to the viewer His theory stands and is validated over and over the more it is investigated
WEDD + FD-WEDT is scriptural – it has already been supported by new evidence It also satisfies about a dozen other theories as to mechanism and causation
Darwin rediscovered the ORDER of genesis Evolutions attempt to deny God has overwhelmingly failed at the scientific level No geneticist is an evolutionist – they are Intelligent Design The MORE COMPLETE fossil record indicates – species stared / lived / and died out New models include terms like macro-stasis and Pre-Cambrian Explosion to explain the sudden appearance of new and different species
Darwin rediscovered SCIENCE HAS VALIDATED the ORDER of genesis Every scientific model says day 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, 5, 6 IN THAT ORDER!
It is not evolution – it is Incremental Creation Requires no invention of new theories or ideas – does not disagree with any empirical evidence
I SEE this clearly – I cannot explain it properly
I knew a girl in college that drew Characteratures of everyone She said it was easy anyone can trace an image – you picture the image on the page and trace it She could see it – I cannot It is her gift – not mine
I read the news – and look out my window – all I can see is scripture come to life It is 2020 AD – The Philistines are oppressing Israel from the south – and the Chaldeans are marching on the Golan Heights – Sidon and Tyre (Lebanon has fallen) -
Eze 39:3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand.
Arrows and bows – artillery shells and canons – missiles and missile launchers
The only change from the nightly news and the Book of Ezekiel = Instead of Baal – Dogon – Molech – Chermosh + + + we have Allah who is the supreme leader of all the ‘other gods’ of the Levant placed inside the Kaba
The only change from the nightly news and the Book of Ezekiel = vocabulary
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