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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2022 10:36:12 GMT -5
In the days of Moses and King Solomon – the Jews already knew who the identity of supreme leader of the ‘other gods’ of the Levant
Belzebul – the offspring of an Arch-Angel (Archon – Angel) the Beast of Revelation Belzebul – who is under the control (limited by) the Arch-Angel Uriel Belzebul – who fathered even more offspring (shedim / demons / archon / shades)
Jewish myth – this is not from the Right Hand of God (male) it is of the Left Hand (feminine) Lilith + Adam = Female + man = female + world
The Greeks say – the god Cronos + Mother earth (Gia) = Titans = demi-gods
Gnostic literature says – the First Archon = the first sentient and only expressed self (yester ra) Gnostic literature says – the First Archon has offspring – 10 then 7 then 72 Gnostic literature says - this was from the feminine (Left Hand) - the HS Gnostic literature says – there is an appointed OVERSEER of the chaos on hades
Islam says – Iblis was created by fire – supreme leader of the ‘other gods’ of the Levant and promises 72 mansions and 72 virgins in paradise
agl/NT says – the Beast just appeared with 10 + 7 – and we call the them serpent – devils and satanas agl/NT never says – God said and the Beast was (as with creation by the Right Hand)
Mat 6:3 'But thou, doing kindness, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth,
agl/NT says – it was feminine
1Ti 2:14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came,
agl/NT and the ahl/OT clearly tell us – God is in control – and has limits upon the serpent /Beast / satanas / devils
You like to rewrite scripture – If I could this is the verse I would change
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 In the singing together of stars of morning, And all sons of God shout for joy (H7321),
H7321 – רוּעַ - rûa‛ - A primitive root; to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.
In my world – The stars of heaven sang praises to the Lord The bane elohiym cried a loud alarm
Two groups – Angels of the Lord and the Archon – offspring of the Beast of Revelation Two groups – Messengers of the Lord – and the archon / shedim / demons / Jinn / shades
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
For by Him all things were created— ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR in heaven and on earth, - E = heavens and earth the seen and the unseen, - E = the visible and the invisible whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. – incorruptible and corruptable (some by the Right Hand of instruction and salvation – some by the Left hand – the hand of mystery and judgment) All was created through Him and for Him. – His Plan – His Will - ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 17:55:52 GMT -5
Under your theme, the Secrets of Adam. How come Adam never told us about these secrets in the Genesis account, recalled by Moses?
No mention of Lillith, or Archons or Belzebul or how the shedim came to us?
I read your post, but you have no Moses verses saying anything about these ideas.
I respect your post, but I have no comments about it.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2022 9:18:17 GMT -5
How come Adam never told us about these secrets in the Genesis account, recalled by Moses? Moses doesn’t speak about the serpent?No mention of Lillith, or Archons or Belzebul or how the shedim came to us? Lilith and shedim are 100% ahl/OT Belzeebub is 100% from the lips of Jesus ChristI read your post, but you have no Moses verses saying anything about these ideas. I respect your post, but I have no comments about it. What post are you talking about?Jewish Demonologyponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/560/jewish-demonology?page=1&scrollTo=7539Where are your promised comments on this? Or are you afraid to understand what Jewish theology really teaches?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 4:57:04 GMT -5
Greetings I watched the Jeff Benner video again and found something interesting. Jeff includes the prefixs as well as the stem words of Hebrew. And this is interesting. All three statements are different. (1) God says A 33 years later or so, the woman replies with a more practical answer, fitting her humanity as a person, Hebrew B The serpent replies differently, repeating God's A and also negating Eve's B, with his statement of C. I still would answer Benner in saying the serpent made a false report, and therefore did wounding to Eve. Eve had it correct for a human, eating the fruit would cause immediate death, things did immediately did. And the serpent pointed out, but God said you would eventually die, but not straight away. The question becomes what did God mean in saying statement A? I see both A and B as parts of the same idea, the serpent presented only one idea so he could deceive the woman. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 10, 2022 9:25:55 GMT -5
I still would answer Benner in saying the serpent made a false report, You choose not to believe in the concept of eternal life – your Free Will Choice It is not a Judeo-Christian teaching
It is a Robert word game You twist the meaning of BEAR A FALSE WITNESS – to mean deceive - or lie BEAR A FALSE WITNESS - to Jews then and now and to anyone with a brain = do not make a false report = in a court – as for another’s guilt or innocence
Witness - could of course be made in the criminal procedure of the ancient Jews: for witnesses were admitted for the defense as well as for the prosecution; and the rules concerning the competency of witnesses and the mode of examination were pretty much the same for the witnesses on either side.
Does not say – Do Not Lie Does not say – Do Not Deceive
It is a Robert word game To justify your SDA beliefs – you NEED satan to be evil and at fault To justify your SDA beliefs – you NEED scripture to support your doctrine So you play your word games so it fits
You do not make a consistent or intelligent augment Each time you repeat yourself – you just harm your own credibility
It was NOT the Tree of Good and Evil It WAS the Tree of Knowledge
The only thing that happened was - now MAN KNOWS BETTER
The earth did not change – creation did not change – there was no new creation The only thing that happened was - now MAN KNOWS BETTER
The earth did not change – creation did not change – there was no new creation The ground was cursed in relation to man – now man will struggle for food – life will be hard Man was kicked out of Paradise – into reality One day Adam and Eve were lounging on the beach in Fiji Next day they woke up in the Australian outback
The earth did not change – creation did not change – there was no new creation The ground was cursed in relation to man – man was relocated
Your creationist presentation – no death or sex until Eve sinned is folly Does not fit the empirical record Your creationist presentation – only serves to keep the real intellect of our day away from the church Your creationist presentation – does not support intelligent design – and therefore is not the intelligent designer
Your creationist presentation – harms the faith as much as Darwin ever has The ground was cursed in relation to man – now man will struggle for food – life will be hard Man was kicked out of Paradise – into reality
Eden and the WORLD were two different locations – or the cherubim would not need to guard the entrance Eden was the source of the 4 Rivers that fed the earth – Eden remained until the flood – as a separate location
The ground was cursed in relation to man – man was relocated Man was relocated from Eden to our reality – our world – and life is hard ----------------
PS – 1- Your creationist presentation denies all the empirical evidence before the flood 2- your rapid speciation after the flood is just theistic evolution in disguise (God planned evolution – or God directed evolution) = rapid speciation of the KINDS 3- Your creationist presentation doesn’t even order the KINDS in keeping with the empirical evidence
Science validating scripture – scripture validating science As a Christian you should be pointing this out to everyone – you should be witness this to everyone One article about vaccine consperacy and you are on fire As a Christian you should be on fire to witness the truth to everyone
Precept upon precept, line upon line applies to reality – Psa 19:2 + Rom 1:19-20 Why do you argue against this ministry so hard? Answer – reality does not support your creationist presentation So your only recourse is to deny and attack the source Answer - Jewish theology does not suport your Ellen White teaching So your only recourse is to deny and attack the source
Does not make in intelligent conversation - or a two way discussion
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 16:56:37 GMT -5
Greetings
I will allow you to make two discussions of this Jeff Benner picture
You always wanted to prove Mrs White to be a false prophet, here is your chance.
She said this regarding Jeff Benner statement "C" the serpent made.
The only one who promised Adam life in disobedience was the great deceiver. And the declaration of the serpent to Eve in Eden—“Ye shall not surely die”—was the first sermon ever preached upon the immortality of the soul. Yet this declaration, resting solely upon the authority of Satan, is echoed from the pulpits of Christendom and is received by the majority of mankind as readily as it was received by our first parents. The divine sentence, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20), is made to mean: The soul that sinneth, it shall not die, but live eternally. We cannot but wonder at the strange infatuation which renders men so credulous concerning the words of Satan and so unbelieving in regard to the words of God.
Had man after his fall been allowed free access to the tree of life, he would have lived forever, and thus sin would have been immortalized. But cherubim and a flaming sword kept “the way of the tree of life” (Genesis 3:24), and not one of the family of Adam has been permitted to pass that barrier and partake of the life-giving fruit. Therefore there is not an immortal sinner.
But after the Fall, Satan bade his angels make a special effort to inculcate the belief in man's natural immortality; and having induced the people to receive this error, they were to lead them on to conclude that the sinner would live in eternal misery. Now the prince of darkness, working through his agents, represents God as a revengeful tyrant, declaring that He plunges into hell all those who do not please Him, and causes them ever to feel His wrath; and that while they suffer unutterable anguish and writhe in the eternal flames, their Creator looks down upon them with satisfaction. (Ellen White, From Desire of Ages)
I note Jeff Benner does not mention this idea.
God says "Mot Tamut" I assume "mot" means "surely not"
Eve made the statements concerning humans with "Te Mutun" the idea of immediate muwth?.
ANd the serpent comes and says " "Lo Mot Te Mutin" negating the statement of Eve, there is no immediate maveth after eating the fruit.
Update: I checked with Hebrew Bible Hub, Jeff Benner is confusing us with the spellings of words.
H 4191 is spoken by all three players.... so this is a word play game over the intended meaning of muwth, the Hebrew word H4191.
"A" has "muwth muwth" written twice? Is this correct Dave? "B" has "muwth" but Eve thinks the "muwth" is immediate as Jeff suggests. "C" serpent says "Lo surely Te "muwth"
And to get this idea, I use my Hebrew English translator. The serpent is saying you will not immediately die, as Eve is suggesting, is promoting the idea the soul has life even after disobedience.
This is exactly what Mrs White wrote.
The serpent is suggesting "no immediate death in disobedience"
I note the serpent does not use the term "muwth" as God does,
But simple suggest to Eve no immediate muwth, as Eve claimed.
This is presenting the immortality of the soul, despite disobedience.
Why did the cherub suggest this so easily, because when the cherubim sinned they did not muwth, so God must be a liar?
And these cherubims who sin know both good and evil, as God claims a sinner will know.
Jeff claims this is the definition of elohiym power, knowing good and evil. Yes but the difference is elohiym is immortal while creatures are not.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 10, 2022 17:42:58 GMT -5
I will allow you to make two discussions of this Jeff Benner picture OH THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERMISSION You always wanted to prove Mrs White to be a false prophet, here is your chance. Already done – past tense – finished
But instead of address in my questions to you - you just avoid and post more questions to change the subject
She said this regarding Jeff Benner statement "C" the serpent made. The only one who promised Adam life in disobedience was the great deceiver. And the declaration of the serpent to Eve in Eden—“Ye shall not surely die”—was the first sermon ever preached upon the immortality of the soul. Correct the soul / spirit is NOT MNORTAL – and therefore immortal – DUH We have had this discussion 58 times – and each time you misrepresent the word immortal
Yet this declaration, resting solely upon the authority of Satan, Correct – you give the authority to your satan god
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20), is made to mean: The soul that sinneth, it shall not die, but live eternally. Correct – if you repent – your spirit will never die – life lives
We cannot but wonder at the strange infatuation which renders men so credulous concerning the words of Satan and so unbelieving in regard to the words of God. YES - I believe the words of God Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Had man after his fall been allowed free access to the tree of life, he would have lived forever, and thus sin would have been immortalized. Correct – proof that death existed before Gen 3 You also teach that Adam had to eat of that tree daily – as an antidote for mortal death
But cherubim and a flaming sword kept “the way of the tree of life” (Genesis 3:24), Correct – Eden did not change – it remained as the source of the 4 Rivers Adam and Eve were relocated
God says "Mot Tamut" I assume "mot" means "surely not" Update: I checked with Hebrew Bible Hub, Jeff Benner is confusing us with the spellings of words.
"A" has "muwth muwth" written twice? Is this correct Dave? NO it is not and you already know the answer The first word is in the infinity tense – the second word is future perfect tense We know this because they are spelled differently
It is called grmmar - learn to translate
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 4:34:32 GMT -5
Greetings You disagreed with my statement about Gen 2:17 having two muwth H4191 D" NO it is not and you already know the answer
The first word is in the infinity tense – the second word is future perfect tense
We know this because they are spelled differentlyIt is called grmmar - learn to translateAs you can see from Hebrew Bible Hubble, there are two muwth in the sentence. I moved the prefix away from the stem so you can see. The grammar inference is a scholar thing, not sure. But what I see are two H4191 written together with a prefix. You also did not comment upon my discussion? Here is my discussion Jeff includes the prefixs as well as the stem words of Hebrew. And this is interesting. All three statements are different. (1) God says A Dave's discussion. DO you agree that God said "A" ?33 years later or so, the woman replies with a more practical answer, fitting her humanity as a person, Hebrew B Dave's discussion. DO you agree that Eve said "B" ?DO you also agree she made the statement from a human view, what she considered the meaning of muwth muwth, God's words of "A" ? The serpent replies differently, repeating God's A and also negating Eve's B, with his statement of C. Dave's discussion. DO you agree that the serpent said "C" ?DO you also agree the serpent spoke in such a way to negate Eve's statement of "B" ? DO you agree the serpent said to Eve you will not immediately die. I still would answer Benner in saying the serpent made a false report, and therefore did wounding to Eve. How can I say this? Because Benner says the serpent deceived the woman with truth. Whick implies the serpent made a false report of God's statements. DO you agree with this ? Eve had it correct for a human, eating the fruit would cause immediate death, things did immediately die.Relationships immediately died, that day a lamb died, the Creation immediately experienced a curse, ie RA or entropy. The question becomes what did God mean in saying statement A?Your discussion to the question is not recorded Dave? I see both A and B as parts of the same idea, the serpent presented only one idea so he could deceive the woman.Your discussion to this idea is not recorded Dave? Any other points you wish to raise? Now that is how a discussion to a discussion is made, not adding new themes, not mocking, not changing the subject. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 11, 2022 5:57:26 GMT -5
I have answered this so many time - I tire of you
You disagreed with my statement about Gen 2:17 having two muwth H4191 D"NO it is not and you already know the answer The first word is in the infinity tense – the second word is future perfect tense We know this because they are spelled differently It is called grammar - learn to translate
As you can see from Hebrew Bible Hubble, there are two muwth in the sentence. I moved the prefix away from the stem so you can see. The grammar inference is a scholar thing, not sure. But what I see are two H4191 written together with a prefix. You also did not comment upon my discussion? I believe I did The first word is in the infinity tense – the second word is future perfect tense We know this because they are spelled differently It is called grammar - learn to translate
DO you agree the serpent said to Eve you will not immediately die. NO – I believe in spirit – the scripture here is much deeper than you want it to be The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
The first ‘muwth’ is in the qal infinitive form The infinitive construct is a non-finite verbal form that usually functions as a verbal complement, providing extra information regarding the purpose, result, or temporal frame of the verbal action
The second ‘muwth’ on your image says – qal imperfect An Imperfect verb is used generally to indicate an action that is not complete, or an action that either occurs in the present or will occur in the future.
DO you agree the serpent said to Eve you will not immediately die. NO – I believe in spirit – the scripture here is much deeper than you want it to be The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
Life lives – and repentance leads to salvation from the second death
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Why do you deny salvation and eternal life – it is the whole point of Christianity Life lives – and repentance leads to salvation from the second death
NO spiritual muwth muwth Adam and Eve died mortally because the Tree of antidote was removed from their daily consumption
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 6:17:10 GMT -5
D"The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
The first ‘muwth’ is in the qal infinitive form The infinitive construct is a non-finite verbal form that usually functions as a verbal complement, providing extra information regarding the purpose, result, or temporal frame of the verbal action
The second ‘muwth’ on your image says – qal imperfect An Imperfect verb is used generally to indicate an action that is not complete, or an action that either occurs in the present or will occur in the future. R" Can't you talk nicely in easy English? So all this scholar stuff means, Eve has an immortal spirit that cannot die?
Is that it? Is that what the serpent said?
RP"DO you agree the serpent said to Eve you will not immediately die. D" NO – I believe in spirit – the scripture here is much deeper than you want it to be The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
Life lives – and repentance leads to salvation from the second death R" Dave I am not interested in adding a tangent to the discussion. What did the serpent say or not say, not what GOD can do if we disobey....OK?
So you agree that the serpent said to Eve, you will never die? Is that correct ?
D"Adam and Eve died mortally because the Tree of antidote was removed from their daily consumption R" WHy do you post this? This proves the humans never had immortality to start with doesn't it?
You are believing the snake, that humans can never die? You seem to agree with the snake that after the first mortal death, the soul lives. So does this mean God lied? Because he said you would surely die?
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Post by Dave on May 11, 2022 7:10:01 GMT -5
D"The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’ R" Can't you talk nicely in easy English? So all this scholar stuff means, Eve has an immortal spirit that cannot die? Is that it? Is that what the serpent said? It is the truth – and the serpent said it
RP"DO you agree the serpent said to Eve you will not immediately die. D" NO – I believe in spirit – the scripture here is much deeper than you want it to be The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
Life lives – and repentance leads to salvation from the second death R" Dave I am not interested in adding a tangent to the discussion. What did the serpent say or not say, not what GOD can do if we disobey....OK? NO – there is nothing in the grammar that mandates an immediate death I will repeat – the first ‘muwth’ IS NOT FINITE the second ‘muwth’ refers to the future
So you agree that the serpent said to Eve, you will never die? Is that correct ? That is what the serpent says – and as a Christian I DO BELIEVE in the promise of eternal life
D"Adam and Eve died mortally because the Tree of antidote was removed from their daily consumption R" WHy do you post this? This proves the humans never had immortality to start with doesn't it? YES IT DOSE – your teaching that they ate of the tree before Gen 3 is proof they needed the antidote The empirical evidence is overwhelming – creatures were born – ate – reproduce – and died – before man
The cycle of life is not a sin – it is a witness – new life comes only through death The Rabbit gave its life to give us life The fish gives its life to give us life
You are believing the snake, that humans can never die? You seem to agree with the snake that after the first mortal death, the soul lives. So does this mean God lied? Because he said you would surely die? God also told the truth – without repentance and salvation – Lake of Fire here you come – guaranteed
Eve did not understand – why – because she had no knowledge – ignorance is bliss Eve did not have to understand – only trust God and obey Eve did not understand what that meant either – why – because she had not knowledge
The only thing that happed was an education – NOW man knows better The only thing that happed was an education – NOW man knows the consequence of disobedience The only thing that happed was an education – NOW man knows the value of obedience The only thing that happed was an education – NOW man knows he is not in control (King of Tyre)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 16:52:57 GMT -5
RP"So you agree that the serpent said to Eve, you will never die? Is that correct ? D" That is what the serpent says D" NO – I believe in spirit – the scripture here is much deeper than you want it to be The serpent says she will never die – no ‘muwth’
R" so you say the serpent said humans would never die, "no 'muwth'. That is exactly what Mrs White says,
The only one who promised Adam life in disobedience was the great deceiver. And the declaration of the serpent to Eve in Eden—“Ye shall not surely die”—was the first sermon ever preached upon the immortality of the soul.
You are believing in the lies of the serpent, that the soul is immortal, and life lives after death.
D"The empirical evidence is overwhelming – creatures were born – ate – reproduce – and died – before man R" What evidence? You supply none?
RP" You are believing the snake, that humans can never die? You seem to agree with the snake that after the first mortal death, the soul lives. So does this mean God lied? Because he said you would surely die? D" God also told the truth – without repentance and salvation – Lake of Fire here you come – guaranteed R" That is an oxymoron Dave, God said if you eat of the fruit of Satan, you will surely die.
God only supplied a remedy to his unchanging laws of transgression, IF the disobedient choose to have FAITH in the Father's Saviour, His SON.
You are changing the subject once again.
Do you agree with me or not. I said the serpent lied. If you eat of the tree of the serpent you will immediately die, as well as die later on in the Lake of Fire by God. Both ideas are correct. Do you agree with this idea?
What died immediately? Relationships did, temporarily.
1) Adam went naked because HS power shrank around them 2) Nature went into entropy because of missing powers from God, God cursed nature. 3) Man feared God, before the sin, there was no fear 4) Man and woman broke relationships, man is lord over the wife, wife feels pain etc.
What did later in the future? Relationships do, permanently. 1) The soul died in the future, Adam died 800 years later or so 2) The person dies forever after the judgement of God.
Do you agree with me or not. I said the serpent lied. If you eat of the tree of the serpent you will immediately die, as well as die later on in the Lake of Fire by God. Both ideas are correct. Do you agree with this idea?
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 0:33:03 GMT -5
R" so you say the serpent said humans would never die, "no 'muwth'. That is exactly what Mrs White says, The only one who promised Adam life in disobedience was the great deceiver. And the declaration of the serpent to Eve in Eden—“Ye shall not surely die”—was the first sermon ever preached upon the immortality of the soul. IT is NOT the same at all – You have a reading comprehension probemShe is speak to mortality I am speaking about eternal lifeYou are believing in the lies of the serpent, that the soul is immortal, Spirit is not a thing of biology – spirit is not mortaland life lives after death.The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the proof! At the transfiguration of Christ – was Elijah and Moses dead in the grave?and life lives after death. It is the promiseJoh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Luk 23:43 Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Within 1 rotation of the planet – according to you Heb 4:1-11 – Day 7 remains – the Day of rest – that we can enter D"The empirical evidence is overwhelming – creatures were born – ate – reproduce – and died – before man R" What evidence? You supply none?Mountians and mountians - piles and piles - museams filled to the brimRP" You are believing the snake, that humans can never die? Sorry misrepresenter – God said if you disobey you will die God said if you eat of the fruit of Satan, you will surely die.Yes – that is what I saidGod only supplied a remedy to his unchanging laws of transgression, Your satan – or man - does not force God to change His Plan against His WillDo you agree with me or not. I said the serpent lied.The serpent did not lie – he deceived The only reason Eve fell for it was because she did not understand If you eat of the tree of the serpent you will immediately die, as well as die later on in the Lake of Fire by God. Both ideas are correct. Do you agree with this idea?I will answer you again the vary same answer I always answer NO – there is nothing in the grammar that mandates an immediate death I will repeat –the first ‘muwth’ IS NOT FINITEthe second ‘muwth’refers to the future
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 3:57:38 GMT -5
D"I will answer you again the vary same answer I always answer NO – there is nothing in the grammar that mandates an immediate death I will repeat – the first ‘muwth’ IS NOT FINITE the second ‘muwth’refers to the future
R" I do not understand you.
D"The serpent did not lie – he deceived R" What is the difference? A false report is considered wounding a person. Same as deceiving the person.
How are they different Dave? Please explain
RP"God only supplied a remedy to his unchanging laws of transgression, D" Your satan – or man - does not force God to change His Plan against His Will
R" You are changing topic again, not talking about God offering a solution, He had long before disobedience ever spoke it's head.
D"God said if you disobey you will die R" And you also say the Serpent said you cannot die, if you disobey? One of these beings is lying?
Please explain
D"Spirit is not a thing of biology R" If spirit is not biology, why did God say if you disobey you will die? So only the biology died, but not the spirit? Is that what God meant? Obviously not because you say the wicked who stay wicked end up in the Lake of Fire, so the spirit finally dies.
Why must you change topics all the time. Spirit with Biology, who cares, both still can die due to disobedience. Another topic you make tangent, can't you be serious and stay on task?
My question God said if you disobey you will die. Serpent said if you disobey you will not die. One of these beings is lying?
Please explain
D"She is speak to mortality I am speaking about eternal life
R" What you are doing is avoiding the discussion?
D"I will answer you again the vary same answer I always answer R" OK so you do not make yourself bored, try answering in different way, with discussion.
My question God said if you disobey you will die. Serpent said if you disobey you will not die. One of these beings is lying?
Please explain
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -5
D"The serpent did not lie – he deceived R" What is the difference? A false report is considered wounding a person. Same as deceiving the person. How are they different Dave? Please explain
Be practical – of course you know the difference
If a used cars salesman lies to you – you can sue him If he deceives you – with incomplete truths – and partial truths – the court will just call you a fool
All advertisement is based upon deception If it lies – it is forced to be retracted as “false – lying - advertising”
Haven’t you ever heard the concept – it is all in how you present the data – mode, medium, or mean 3 different version of the same truth
Example - the mode age for sexual desire = 24 (the most recurring number) The medium age for sexual desire = 12-85 = 30 (an average) The mean age for sexual desire = 36 - (the number exactly in the middle) 3 ways to present the same data -------------
D"God said if you disobey you will die R" And you also say the Serpent said you cannot (don’t) die if you disobey? One of these beings is lying? One is deceiving – you need to accept scripture for what it says
H5377 – נָשָׁא - nâshâ' - A primitive root; to lead astray, that is, (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce: - beguile, deceive, X greatly, X utterly.
(LXX) G538 - ἀπατάω - apataō - Of uncertain derivation; to cheat, that is, delude: - deceive.
(WLC) H5375 נָשָׂא nasa' נָסָה nacah (naw-saw') [Psalm 4:6 (7)] 1. to lift. 2. to bear. 3. (specially) to affirmingly lift up one's hand in solemn declaration (as an oath). {in a great variety of applications, literal and figurative, absolute and relative (as follows)}
KJV: accept, advance, arise, (able to, (armor), suffer to) bear(-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honorable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield. Compare: H3722, H5545 See also: H5376, H5379, H7613, H4853, H4856, H4858, H4984, H4864, G142 --------------------
D"Spirit is not a thing of biology R" If spirit is not biology, why did God say if you disobey you will die? 2 deaths = 2 answers 2nd Death = “The Second Death” = Lake of Fire 1st Death = death of biology Adam and Eve were created immortal – (never having a mortal death) they would still be here today as mortals (biology)
The Tree of Life was withheld – removed from use – without it Adam and Eve grew old and died
D"I will answer you again the vary same answer I always answer R" OK so you do not make yourself bored, try answering in different way, with discussion.
My question God said if you disobey you will die. Serpent said if you disobey you will not die. One of these beings is lying?
D"I will answer you again the vary same answer I always answer God said if you disobey you will die. – is this a lie – NO Serpent said if you disobey you will not die – is this a lie – NO repentance and salvation - DUH
D"The serpent did not lie – he deceived R" What is the difference? A false report is considered wounding a person. Same as deceiving the person. How are they different Dave? Please explain God said if you disobey you will die. – is this the truth – YES Serpent said if you disobey you will not die – is this the truth – NO and it is not a lie it is a deception
Every employer has asked me – am I computer literate? I always say YES – I can play games on most computers – did I lie – NO Does it mean I am IT Qualified with their system - NO
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