D"If you want to teach other worlds filled with biological humans – I will remind you that it a 100% a Mormon teaching – also from the awakening
R" So just because some religions have some truth doesn't mean you can't borrow "a truth". Truth is not owned by the religion who "invents the truth". You must be foolish in your thinking?What happened to one error and it is all garbage
You have this absolute rule for others – but refuse to abide by your own standard
Is this what you call a hypocrite – a pompous religious hypocriteCatholics invented the term "trinity" and yet you are happy to adopt their meaning, even say you follow "trinity" and yet you hate the Catholic Edit. I would say the "trinity" idea is a Catholic edit, so how hypocritical are you?
I do not like the term "trinity" because it is not a Hebrew word. Its a man made invention.
Correct -= you play word games so you do not have to admit the truthJoh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
The label does not matter – you deny the Gospel of Gnostic John
You deny the agl/NT gospelmit.irr.org/28-biblical-passages-which-explicitly-teach-there-only-one-god28 Biblical Passages Which Explicitly Teach There is Only One God1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]
3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.
5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
The label does not matter – you deny the Gospel of Gnostic John
You deny the agl/NT gospel – and the ahl/OT
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD!----------
I prefer the Hebrew word "family" and its found in the latter torah even, Go figure. Another verse concept you ignore in Eph 3:10 - 16.
YES – we all the family of God = God is the Father of all creationD"Just what do you say was the material of your - "engineered"?
R"
Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself
It doesn't say, - the cut down treesH1254 – בָּרָא - A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified)
to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).
But your silly word "to fatten" does not fit here.H1254 – בָּרָא - A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do,
make (fat).
1Sa 2:29 Why do you kick at My sacrifice and My offering which I have commanded in My dwelling, and honor your sons above Me, by fattening yourselves with the choicest of every offering of Israel My people?
Engineered does not fitGen 1:1 In the beginning God
created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:21 Then God
created the large sea creatures and every living creature that crawls, with which the water swarms, according to their species, as well as every winged flying creature, according to their species. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:27 God
created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.
If your god is only the engineer –
Who is the CreatorFYI I also disagree with Jeff Benner too, and would tell him if I saw him face to face. He doesn't like too many emails..So - He doesn’t enjoy your attitude – or respect your academic honesty eitherD"Try it without the fat - to fatten – tell me how it goes
R" Fatten is the process of biological engineering, of cells getting too much food.
Correct – engineer it without the cells
You claim the wood had no role in Josh 17:15 D"It is not our reality – all we have are glimpses in scripture
R" What pathetic excuse, you quibble scripture with errors, now you say the Scripture do not have enough details of all the things you inquire about..... Funny I do not agree with you.... All torah is inspired...
Yes and it says:Ecc 1:10 Is there anything about which is said, “Look! This is new!”? It was already here long ago, in the ages long before us.
Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance for former things, and things yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow.
I accept scripture – why do you contradict scripture?D"Jews and Gnostic Christians fully accept the First Age
R" I doubt that. I showed you some Rabbi respect Ezek 28
I showed you some Rabbi say earth pres-existed Creation WeekOnly God existed before Gen 1:1 D"The Jewish myth – and they call it a myth =R" You expect logic thinking torah reading humans to support you and your Jewish inventions, and fables ?
No wonder Paul told Timothy to avoid Gnostic thinking.... it's Greek and Jewish all mixed up.
So – you do not grasp the word – myth – and yet you argue wordsFYI nobody can travel backwards in time, time only moves forwards....Why do you contradict scripture? – TIME IS NOT LINEAR 2Ki 20:10 Hezekiah answered, “It’s easy for a shadow to go forward ten steps; no, let the shadow turn back ten steps.”
2Ki 20:11 Then Isaiah the prophet cried to Adonai; and He brought the shadow ten steps backward, by which it had gone down on the sundial of Ahaz.
Isa 38:8 Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairs, which went down with the sun on the sundial of Ahaz, to turn back ten steps.” So the sun’s shadow went back ten steps on the sundial on which it had gone down.
D" However – the Gnostic authors of the agl/NT teach us more
R" I see. And this is OK. I thought the latter torah must agree to the former torah?Absolutely correct – precept upon precept, line upon line
All the agl/NT authors of the NHL were Jewish and taught a Jewish theology – does not contradict scripture – old or new D"The origin of sin in the world came through the feminine Eve
R" NO absolutely NOT. Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, and that the tree was desirable for imparting wisdom. So she took of its fruit and she ate. She also gave to her husband who was with her and he ate.
Why are you so comfortable contradicting scripture? - Christian
Mankind is not the first creature to have sinned... another idea you love to ignore....Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Why are you so comfortable contradicting scripture? - Christian
(Oxford dictionary) able to see or feel things through the senses.
R" Why did you use a big word than? Just to buffer your biggerness?Please educate me – what is the Australian word for sentient?Rob translates "D"BUT – this age came to an end when the first creature was created with “SOME MATTER”
R" SO I get all other creatures were created as spiritual entities, without matter?
YES – the host of heaven are spiritual beings – angels and manSo the angels are creatures not made of matter than? DUH – angels are NOT of this WORLD – they were not formed from the dust of the earth – they were created before dust even existed
Heaven is not biology
ANd the archon was the first creature made of matter? for earth? so why did it war in heaven? DUH – the Archon were ejected from heaven to earth
DP "D"Jewish theology – Gnostic theology – point out – this is not a 24hr Day – it has no morning only an evening
RP" But time is measured evening to morning,
D" Correct – so Day 1 ended and Day 2 began
Day 1 has no scriptural beginning
R" Are you dull, first you said day one has no morning, now you back pedal and agree with me, now you say day one had no evening....geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/the-age-of-the-universe/Gerald Schroeder - The Age of the UniverseAt the end of each day of the six creation days, the day is numbered. Yet Nahmanides points out that there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered.
- (20th Century Jewish Physicist – that Robert admires and uses his work quoting a 10th Century author of the Zohar Kabbalah – But Robert also claims the Zohar Kabbalah is satanic and just Jewish error – no truth in it he claims) - At the end of the first day, the verse says: “There is evening and morning, Day One.” But the second day doesn’t say “evening and morning, Day Two.” Rather, it says “evening and morning, a second day.” And the Bible continues with this pattern: “Evening and morning, a third day… a fourth day… a fifth day… the sixth day.” Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not “first day,” but “Day One” (“Yom Echad”). Many English translations make the mistake of writing “a first day.” That’s because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! That message, as Nahmanides points out, is that there is a qualitative difference between “one” and “first.” One is absolute; first is comparative. The Bible, he tell us, could not write “a first day” on the first day because there had not yet been a second day relative to it. Had the perspective of the Bible for the first six days been from Sinai looking back, the Bible would have written a first day. By the time the Torah was given on Sinai there had been hundreds of thousands of “second days.” The perspective of the Bible for the six days of Genesis is from the only time in the history of time when there had not been a second day. And that is the first day. From the creation of the universe to the creation of the soul of Adam (Genesis 1:27), the Bible views time from near the beginning of the universe looking forward. At the creation of Adam and Eve, the soul of humanity, the Bible perspective switches from this cosmic view of time to earth based time. From that point on, all biblical descriptions of time are human-based, earth-based, the space-time coordinates by which we live.
How we perceive time
We look at the universe, and say, “How old is the universe? Looking back in time, the universe is approximately 14 billion years old.” That’s our view of time and those years went by. But what is the Bible’s view of those billions of years looking forward from the beginning? How does it see time?
Nahmanides taught that although the days of Genesis One are 24 hours each, they contain “kol yemot ha-olam” – all the ages and all the secrets of the world.
– (each day contained all the ages and all the secrets) - Nahmanides says that before the universe, there was nothing…
(Robert disagrees with this – Robert is now teaching worlds before this creation) - but then suddenly the entire creation appeared as a minuscule speck. He gives a description for the speck: something very tiny, smaller than a grain of mustard. And he says that this is the only physical creation. There was no other physical creation; all other creations mentioned in Genesis One were spiritual: the Nefesh (the soul of animal life, Genesis 1:21) and the Neshama (the soul of human life, Genesis 1:27) are spiritual creations.
1- The God Particle – 20th Century quantum physics
2- Before Gne 1:1 – there was only GodThere’s only one physical creation, and that creation was a tiny speck. In that speck was all the raw material that would be used for making everything else. Nahmanides describes the essence of that first material as “dak me’od, ein bo mamash” – so very thin, no substance to it. And as this speck expanded out, this essence, so thin that it had no material substance, turned into matter as we know it.
God spoke the word – and the word reverberated – vibrated – forming the EM spectrum that is the base E that sustains the ALL – the interaction of the EM waves = both convergence and cancelation
E = the medium and that medium = convergence and cancelationNahmanides further writes: “Misheyesh, yitfos bo zman” – from the moment that matter formed from this substance-less substance, time grabs hold. Time is created at the beginning. But biblical time “grabs hold” when matter condenses from the substance-less substance of the big bang creation. When matter condenses, congeals, coalesces, out of this substance so thin it has no material substance, that’s when the biblical clock starts.
1- God created the heavens and the earth (matter) – time did not even begin until earth (matter)
2- the is a time before – time began – DAY 1 = is not the same length as the other days of creation.Science has shown that there’s only one “substance-less substance” that can change into matter. And that’s energy. Einstein’s famous equation, E=MC2, tells us that energy can change form and take on the form of matter.
– (WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS BEFORE?) - And once it changes into matter, biblical time grabs hold; the biblical clock begins. Energy – light beams, radio waves, gamma rays, x-rays – all travel at the speed of light, 300 million meters per second. At the speed of light, time does not pass. The universe was aging, time was passing, but until there was stable matter, nothing was present recording that passage of time. Time only grabs hold when stable matter is present. This moment of time before the clock of the Bible begins lasted less than 1/100,000 of a second. A miniscule time. But in that time, the universe expanded from a tiny speck, to about the size of the Solar System. From that moment on we have matter, and biblical time flows forward. The biblical clock begins here.
1- God created the heavens and the earth (matter) – time did not even begin until earth (matter)
2- the is a time before – time began – DAY 1 = is not the same length as the other days of creation.Day One and not a first day: seeing time from the beginning
… the Bible looks forward in time, from time-space coordinates when the universe was vastly smaller than it is today. Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretches, and that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time.
A brief example of what this means is useful to establish the effect of space stretching. Far off on some imaginary galaxy a person decides to send us information about his clock. Imagine going back billions of years, close the beginning of time. Now pretend way back then, when time grabs hold, there’s an intelligent community. (It’s totally fictitious.) Imagine that the intelligent community has a laser, and it’s going to shoot out a blast of light every second. Every second — pulse. Pulse. Pulse. And on each pulse of light the following formation is printed: “I’m sending you a pulse of light every second.” (Printing information on light, electro-magnetic radiation, is common practice. It’s what brings your phone messages and TV or radio to you.) Billions of years later, way far down the time line, we here on Earth have a big satellite dish antenna and we receive that pulse of light. And on that pulse of light we read “I’m sending you a pulse every second.”
Light travels 300 million meters per second. So at the beginning, when the light pulses are first released, the two light pulses are separated by a second of light travel time or 300 million meters. The pulses of light travel through space for billions of years until they reach the Earth. But wait. Is the universe static? No. The universe is expanding. The universe expands by space stretching. So as these pulses travel through space for billions of years, the space between them is stretching. The pulses get further and further apart. Billions of years later, when the first pulse arrives, we read on it “I’m sending you a pulse every second.” A message from outer space! You wait for the next pulse to arrive. Does it arrive second later? No! A year later? Maybe not. Maybe billions of years later. Because the amount of time that these pulses of light have traveled through space will determine the amount that space stretched between them. That in turn will determine how much time there will be between the arrivals of the pulses. This is standard astronomy.
YES – we are expanding away from the origin – fast enough that light (time) seems to slow down
Why because the distance is greater so it take longer to arrive14 billion years or six days?
Today, we look back in time and we see approximately 14 billion years of history and those years went by. But how would they be perceived from the Bible’s perspective of time? Looking forward from when the universe was very small – billions of times smaller – the Bible teaches that six days passed. In truth, they both are correct.
– (Robert claims any reference to anything other than young earth is a lie – a scientific conspiracy) - What’s exciting about the last few years is that we now have quantified the data to know the relationship between the perception of time from the beginning of stable matter, the threshold energy of protons (their nucleosynthesis), looking forward and our measure of the history of the universe. It’s not science fiction any longer. A dozen physics textbooks all bring the same generalized number. The general relationship of the stretching of space between the era of proton anti-proton formation, that time near the beginning at the threshold energy of protons when the first stable matter formed, and time today is a million million. That’s a 1 with 12 zeros after it. Space has stretched by a million million. So when a view from the beginning looking forward says “I’m sending you a pulse every second,” would we see a pulse every second? No. We’d see one every million million seconds. That’s the stretching effect of the expansion of the universe on the perception of time.
Time stretches – telescopes into the past – WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE?The biblical text shows us (and the Talmud confirms) that the soul of Adam was created five and a half days after the big bang creation. That is a half day before the termination of the sixth day. At that moment the cosmic calendar ceases and an earth based calendar starts. How would we see those days stretched by a million million? Five and a half days times a million million, gives us five and a half million million days. Dividing that by 365 days in a year, comes out to be 15 billion years. NASA gives a value of just under 14 billion years. Considering the many approximations, and that the Bible works with only six periods of time, the agreement to within a few percent is extraordinary. The universe is billions of years old but from the biblical perspective those billions of years compress into five and a half, 24 hour days.
The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the 15 billion years sequestered with them.
Logarithmic doubling of the time from one day to the next – WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS BEFORE…
Einstein, in the laws of relativity, taught the world that time passes at different rates in different environments. Absolute time does not exist in our universe. The passage of time is relative. In regions of high velocity or high gravity time actually passes more slowly relative to regions of lower gravity or lower velocity. (One location relative to another, hence the name, the laws of relativity) This is now proven fact. Time actually stretches out. Where ever you are time is normal for you because your biology is part of that local system. Note that the above discussion does not relate to these laws of relativity. It relates to a very different phenomenon, the effect of the stretching of space on the perception of the passage of time.
Robert claims this is not a fact – the idea of TIME IS NOT LINEAR is error according to himBut Robert uses this paper amd this author to validate his 6 24hr days
Seriously - I do not think Robert can read - or understand what he reads
Robert post this to validfate his view - but does not agree with his own reference------------------
Before GOD arrived on this timeless rock drifting in space in darknessOK – you admit your god shows up after My God Created the earthD"This reaches a number slightly under 6000 years. Additionally, there are six days (actually the biblical text gives 5 and a half days) from the creation of the universe to the creation of the first human, that is the first being with the soul of a human (not the first hominid, a being with human shape and intelligence, but lacking the soul of humanity, the neshama).
R" Hmm? This is potentially concerning. Can you find other references to Schroeder unpacking what he means by "not the first hominid, a being with human shape and intelligence, but lacking the soul of humanity, the neshama)." Please.What do you not understand – can you read English – this is your poster boy for time
Do you agree with him – or is he totally error
Your standard – one error and it is all garbage
AND we have discussed this all before - I even asked you if you would now take Him off your web-site
R" Hmm? This is potentially concerningRP " R" I take it this first step does not require amanuah in Jesus?
D" Belief is all that is required – you can nurture your belief – make it stronger – develop great conviction- you can become a Rabbi – you can become a preacher – you can have millions of people drooling at your feet = all Good – all Jer 1:5
R" I take it this word "belief" you use is "gnosis" or "daath" or some other Hebrew word.
BUT NOT AMANUAH, this word is not a part of the salvation process, to gnosis the Lord?
What do you mean with your gobblity gook – what word game are you playing todayD"NONE OF IT is a Born Again Christian speaking in tongues or healing with the touch
R" WHy do you focus on some gifts of the HS but not others?What type of question is this – you deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
You have no gifts of the Holy Spirit in your teaching at allSo – you, Ellen White, and the SDA as you present them teach that reigning with Christ is punishment
You teach that the First Resurrection is unto Punishment
R" What?
The the first resurrection is for the straight.
The the second resurrection is for the crooked.
How is this a weird idea?
So you and Ellen White teach scripture is error where it says each man must pay according to his due
You only have on punishment to fit everyone equally – grave – wake up and dieD"Belief is all that is required
Beliefs can grow stronger – held with conviction – or changed an modified – or forgetten
R" I see, I take it this means "daath" or "gnosis" but NOT amanuah?
You are just being an ass – and if you do not stop – we are done
This not a game – I have been more than patient with you - be serious or be goneD"1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? (messengers)
And you believe Ellen White does not contradict scripture?
R" Yes the human straight ones judge the crooked angelsWhat is your theology – you denied this over and over and now you agree
So serious -