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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:19:01 GMT -5
D"But the question to you is – who are the other gods of the ahl R" Ps 131:1 neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. I cannot answer your question Dave. I don't know.
D"The doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman invention R" Well that's your opinion my friend, the Ezekiel 28 cherub chata verse says differently. D"You have a Great Controversy with two gods in opposition to one another Two gods fighting over man for their own personal kingdoms R" Yes, (although only GOD is a true almighty, the other is a mere creature who is the origin of SIN)
Nevertheless, GOD acknowledges this power, and thus sets up TWO trees in Eden. NOT one tree.
If there are NOT "Two gods fighting over man for their own personal kingdoms" why than Dave were there TWO trees in the Garden of Eden?
D" Not once have you ever posted a verse that says ahl satan disobeys God R Are you kidding Dave? Dillion's video of the Chinese Pastor says the Devil made four contradictions in the Garden of Eden towards Eve and Adam. To me that means the Devil sinned 4 times. Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
There is your first lie, first SIN ever mentioned in Genesis right there. But you deny this.
Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Second lie. Why would GOD want EVE and ADAM to experience this other tree power/kingdom. Such as tree/kingdom/power does not come from GOD. Only the serpent could go there, because the tree belonged to Him. Third lie. Why do sinless humans need to experience RA? Eyes shall be opened? This implies living a sinless life is with our eyes closed.
D" Every occurrence of ahl satan (23 times) he is opposing man and obeying the Lord R Really. We both agree the word satan/verb/noun means to oppose/opponent.
That means in the sentence, one agent is an opponent to the other agent. Nu 22:22 The messenger opposed Baalim, hence both agents are opponents of each other.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Two agents here, so they are opponents to each other.
How and the world you twist a Hebrew word to pick and choose which agents it refers to I don't know. Sure sometimes the opponent agrees to follow the rules of the game, but they are still opponents to each other.
D" And when asked – why you consider it a sin to obey God You refuse to answer R" God is not going to ask you to transgress His own laws.
God did once to a prophet cooking in human dung, but the prophet refused GOD. Go figure.
D"Gen 1:2 Choshek appeared Rev 12:3 The Great Red Dragon appeared R" That is NOT an origin of SIN Dave. Why did the chosek appear? Because some agent sinned.
D" 1st law of nature (thermodynamics) E cannot be created or destroyed only translated or transmuted R" GOD is not bound to His laws Dave, though often submits to them, GOD is NOT bound by them.
GOD in order to be GOD must be above RA, SIN and all things imperfect. Otherwise GOD is not almighty.
But you distort your view of God to something who must have both RA and Tov naturally.
D" 2nd Law of Thermodynamics = ENTROPY R" This law came from the curse, from SIN Dave. Did not exist before SIN. Go figure. Something hot remains hot for eternity, something cold remains cold for eternity. Not laws we are used to.
D"Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
No Law = no sin R" Again Dave this is a reference to laws for sin-offering, not laws of SIN. The moral laws have existed as long as GOD exists, from eternity. God is love and thus love is quantified by laws or principles. The solution to the disobedience to the ONE TREE of GOD, was also written from eternity, but never made public until required. Hidden in the bosom of GOD. Jesus spoke of the devil/satan as a liar and murderer, hence long before man existed, law defined love within moral law, thus this angel sinned, as Ezekiel 28 says. The fallen angels needed no sacrifice for their sinning, they could simply repent and return to GOD as before, but millions of them chose not to. When GOD created mankind, GOD set up the TWO trees to show TWO powers were opponents to each other before mankind existed, thus darkness and sin was already in the universe of GOD, but NOT in the world of Adam and Eve, Adam was the king over this new kingdom, but there were sinning angels on earth, and the two humans were told of this conflict, and they had to remain sinless and without sin, and stay away from the other tree and its rebellious leader. When Man SINNED, the RA angels took man captive, changing the DNA of man so mankind could not return to GOD and repent, man in his fallen state was forever captive to the agents of SIN. This is why the laws of SIN_OFFERING came out from the bosom of God and why Jesus came to offer clothing for their naked bodies, to show the sacrifice, life for life, such mischief wrought over the human race.
D"You ignore 79 verses to your one verse – I will stick with the bulk of scripture R" How strange you are. Just like Gordon over the meaning of elohiym. The word means opponent/oppose for all 80 verses, but you choose to ignore one context.
D" You claim to be a word specialist – but you take two different words from two entirely different origins and smash them together R Really? I do. Well how does Jesus take the term liar and murderer straight from the moral law, and apply it to angel/devil who is according to you not with free will, yet Jesus does not agree with you, these angels sinned and transgressed the moral law, long before Moses ever heard such a version spoken on Sinai.
D" So your SDA theology teaches that the two trees in the garden represent 2 living beings - God or satan
What a bunch of satanic crap – the choice was between life and knowledge R" Prove me wrong Dave. What is a tree? Same as a mountain? Both are similes of power that emulate from some power leader. Mt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Clear verse here.
D" A Jew will tell you that a sin is disobedience / a transgression of the Law R Why is Adam written as transgressed the law in Romans 5, while the first angel who sinned in Ezek 28 is writtem as sinned? There must be significant but slight differences to missing God's power, and transgression of the moral codes of GOD. For example If I fail to support GOD with His words, this is a sin, but its hardly a transgression? Which moral code did I break? Maybe 1 and 3? perhaps. Paul speaks of the conduct of the mind beyond the mere letters of the law, thus I see slight differences between missing and transgressing.
D" Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sin R I do not preach that Dave. Stop it.
D"You should watch the video before you talk about it 3 contradictions by the serpent and 1 by Eve And the Pastor is talking about the devil Academic honesty R Oh so don't tell me, it's up to me myself to be enlightened, look up the video myself.... can't you write examples?
D"Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. No Law = no sin Sin = transgression of the law / disobedience (from above) R the word here is chataah, sin-offering, not chata.
Ex 32:30 ¶ And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. (KJV)
Does a poor job here
Ex 32:30 ¶ And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin-offering: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin-offering.
Sure the concept of missing implies missing the powers of GOD, hence in a court of law, it is defined as transgressing the moral law. But missing is much more than just transgressing moral laws.
Missing is also an attitude, a way of not loving. Beyond the letters of the moral law. D" YES Robert – the beast is the ruler (archon) of this physical world – the Great Red Dragon (archon) – the devil (archon) the serpent (archon) and Chaldean satanas (archon) R look how complicated you make all this agent of evil
Question: Does the archons (red dragon) have angels at his command?
"and his angels were thrown down with him" - curious as to your answer?
D"You can call this the Beast and his angels R Question, how can the robotic programmed good angels side with this Great RED ARCHON, you claim? In fact a third of angels side with this power?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2021 1:09:35 GMT -5
D"But the question to you is – who are the other gods of the ahl I cannot answer your question Dave. I don't know.You cannot answer – because you have never been taught You called yourself a scientist and a serious student – but are unable to study this question from scripture. You believe only what you have been taught – SDA doctrine . Ask a question outside of your pre-programmed doctrine – you claim it is too hard to know – and admit you do not knowYet you are absolutely certain that the Jews are wrong!Rome has you conditioned to believe – if Rome doesn’t approve – then deny the text Yet scripture itself contains 46 other books it calls credible references Not one of those 46 other books is approved by Rome I say – I believe scriptureYou say – Rome calls all those other writing nonsense – Do Not Read ItI choose scripture – you choose to listen to RomeThe Book of Enoch is a full part of Jewish Kabbalah The Book of Enoch is quoted 64 times in the agl You say – Rome calls Enoch nonsense – Do Not Read ItIn fact you say – ABSOLUTE - if one word is wrong throw away the entire text – unless Rome says it is Ok like Mathew and Luke – Or Steven in the book Acts – those just over look those – because Rome canonized it But when I ask you if we should delete those 64 Enoch verses from the aglYou refused to answerHow can you believe both sides at the same time? Either Enoch is not reliable and those 64 agl verse are suspect – or those 64 agl verse are OK – inspired evenPLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MINDD"The doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman invention R" Well that's your opinion my friend, the Ezekiel 28 cherub chata verse says differently.For two years I have been begging you to prove your point Two words that do not fit the theology of the ahl or the theology of the Jews
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. But instead of clinging to the word of God – you cling to Roman doctrine because Ellen Whiteyou’re your SDA church upports Catholic doctrineD"You have a Great Controversy with two gods in opposition to one another Two gods fighting over man for their own personal kingdoms R" Yes, (although only GOD is a true almighty, the other is a mere creature who is the origin of SIN) The rest of your mythology is that your satan is the ruler of a spiritual kingdom called hell AND – your satan want your souls in his spiritual kingdom after death Also – your satan is at WAR with GodYou admit – all you have is Ezk 28 are Rev 12:7Nevertheless, GOD acknowledges this power, and thus sets up TWO trees in Eden. NOT one tree. If there are NOT "Two gods fighting over man for their own personal kingdoms" why than Dave were there TWO trees in the Garden of Eden? You absolutely twist scripture to support your doctrineAcademic honesty Gen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat. Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” There are potentially millions of trees – there is only ONE TREE off limits It is not the tree of satan – or the tree of ra – IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE between tov and raAFTER – the events in the garden were over – do we learn of the tree of LifeGen 3:22 Then Adonai Elohim said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. So now, in case he stretches out his hand and takes also from the Tree of Life and eats and lives forever,” D" Not once have you ever posted a verse that says ahl satan disobeys God R Are you kidding Dave? Dillion's video of the Chinese Pastor says the Devil made four contradictions in the Garden of Eden towards Eve and Adam. To me that means the Devil sinned 4 times. I ask you about ahl satan – the angel of 1Chr 21, or Book of Job, or 2Sam 24, or 1 Kings 22 And you answer with agl satanas / devil / BeastGe 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: There is your first lie, first SIN ever mentioned in Genesis right there. But you deny this.Yes – as a Messianic Jew or Gnostic Christian – we believe in repentance and eternal lifeGe 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Second lie. Why would GOD want EVE and ADAM to experience this other tree power/kingdom.Easy Answer – always the same Deut 8:2 and the many others in agreement – GOD TEST MAN Third lie. Why do sinless humans need to experience RA? Eyes shall be opened? This implies living a sinless life is with our eyes closed. YES – ignorance is bliss No Law – no sinRom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. D" Every occurrence of ahl satan (23 times) he is opposing man and obeying the Lord R Really. We both agree the word satan/verb/noun means to oppose/opponent.STOP trying to deflect – You believe and support THE SATAN – the cherub that chatted – then you butcher the Greek to confuse the difference between Hebrew satan and Chaldean satanasD" And when asked – why you consider it a sin to obey God You refuse to answerR" God is not going to ask you to transgress His own laws.Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. 6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, GOD raises up the powers opposing Him on purpose, to wake mankind from sleep. So a simple answer is not so simple. AGAIN I ASK - WHY IS IT A SIN TO OBEY GODD"Gen 1:2 Choshek appeared Rev 12:3 The Great Red Dragon appeared R" That is NOT an origin of SIN Dave. Why did the chosek appear? You are correct – this is not sin – it is entropyLet’s talk consistency and credibilityFor 6 months or more you have argued that God is bound by the 10 Commandments God is not allowed to have other gods – or steal – or murder God must honor His parents = etc Now you sayR" GOD is not bound to His laws Dave, But you distort your view of God to something who must have both RA and Tov naturally.I do not distort scripture – I simple accept it as written – Isa 45:7, Col 1:16, John 1:4D" You claim to be a word specialist – but you take two different words from two entirely different origins and smash them together R Really? I do. Well how does Jesus take the term liar and murderer straight from the moral law, and apply it to angel/devil who is according to you not with free will, What is the lie – I am first – there is none but meWhat is the murder - entropyD" A Jew will tell you that a sin is disobedience / a transgression of the Law R Why is Adam written as transgressed the law in Romans 5, while the first angel who sinned in Ezek 28 is writtem as sinned? There must be significant but slight differences to missing God's power, and transgression of the moral codes of GOD.Eve was first, then Adam – Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. and the King of Tyre came much laterFor example If I fail to support GOD with His words, this is a sin, but its hardly a transgression? Which moral code did I break? Easy - Seek ye First the Kingdom of heaven - and to love you fellow man as Christ did by witnessing to them as Christ did.D" Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sin R I do not preach that Dave. Stop it.Who did this first? The cherub chata did. No where is Adam described as sinning, or Eve as sinning, they are both described as transgressing the law, because they chose a different tree. You stop itYou speak it as fact to support your satan But if I say it – I am offensive? PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MINDD"You should watch the video before you talk about it 3 contradictions by the serpent and 1 by Eve And the Pastor is talking about the devil Academic honesty R Oh so don't tell me, it's up to me myself to be enlightened, look up the video myself.... can't you write examples?How about The Pastor suggests this devil does 4 contradictions. D"Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. R the word here is chataah, sin-offering, not chata.BOOM - NO IT IS NOT – again you misrepresent scripture to make your pointG266 - ἁμαρτία - From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful). G264 - ἁμαρτάνω - Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass. G266 in the LXX = H5771 - עָווֹן עָוֹן - ‛âvôn = From H5753; perversity, that is, (moral) evil: - fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin. H2399 – חֵטְא - chêṭ' - From H2398; a crime or its penalty: - fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin. H7451 = רָעָה - râ‛âh - From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). wicked Lev 4:14 When the sin, which they have sinned (H2398) against it, is known, then the congregation shall offer a young bullock for the sin (H2403), and bring him before the tabernacle of the congregation. G266 = H2398 = châṭâ' and H2403 - chaṭṭâ'âh - in the same sentence Lev 5:6 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD for his sin (H2403) which he hath sinned (H2398), a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering (H2403); and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin. (H2403) G266 = H2403 - chaṭṭâ'âh 3 times and H2398 = châṭâ' once in the same sentence D"Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. R the word here is chataah, sin-offering, not chata.BOOM - NO IT IS NOT – again you misrepresent scripture to make your pointD" YES Robert – the beast is the ruler (archon) of this physical world – the Great Red Dragon (archon) – the devil (archon) the serpent (archon) and Chaldean satanas (archon) R look how complicated you make all this agent of evilLook at how specific scripture is Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his (angels / messengers / pastors – false prophets) were thrown down with him. G32 - ἄγγελος - (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger. Question: Does the archons (red dragon) have angels at his command?The Great Red Dragon appeared as a plurality – read the scripture "and his angels were thrown down with him" - curious as to your answer?YES _ all the archon were cast into the earth – all of them -= The Beast, the devil, the serpent, Chaldean satanasD"But the question to you is – who are the other gods of the ahlI cannot answer your question Dave. I don't know.OK then answer these questions1- where are the Beast, the devil, the serpent, and satanas cast when ejected from heaven? Answer – the whole world – all 100% of the world To me this means America, Persia, South America, China, Australia, The Levant, Europe, AND the Moon, Mars, saturn, Venus, the Sun and the entire cosmos 2- Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob + Israel – even at its very peak only represented <1% of the world’s population occupying <1% of the landQuestion – why do you deny that the Beast exist outside of the <1% Question – why do you deny that he devil exist outside of the <1% Question – why do you deny that the serpent existed outside of the <1% Question – why do you deny that the 99% can have a satanas? Question - if the Beast and the archon are in the whole world - what are they doing - NOTHING? I say they were acting like archon act - wantimg man to love the World - seek world - anything except the God of the 1%Rev 13:7 He was also permitted to make war against the kedoshim and overcome them, and he was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship him THE BEAST of Revelations - not hebrew satan weho is a sevant of the LordYou simply do not see the whole world – you force everything inside the <1% You even see Rome as the anti-Christ – just keep it inside the <1% AND you admit you do not know anything about the 99% - which is 60-75% of the ahl The doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman invention Your video calls Rome a satanic cult – and your church repeats Catholic doctrine word for word And the only answers you have come straight out of Rome doctrineHow can Rome be both a satanic cult – yet their version of satan is the only correct version?Don't be too hard on me Dave, I don't know everything Either Catholic doctrine is a satanic cult – as I claim – as your own video claims (You even see Rome as the anti-Christ) or Catholic doctrine is the word of God – as Ellen White repeatsPlease make up your mind you post a video proving Rome is a satanic cult - but cling to that same satanic doctrine as Christian
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2021 13:37:21 GMT -5
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. A pluralityThe First BeastRev 13:1 Then I saw a beast rising out of the sea, that had ten horns and seven heads. On his horns were ten royal crowns, and upon his heads were slanderous names. Horns and crowns - pluralityRev 13:2 Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, his feet like a lion’s, and his mouth like a bear’s. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. The Great Red DragonRev 13:3 One of his heads seemed to have been slain, but the fatal wound was healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast. Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon, because he had given authority to the beast. They also worshiped the beast, chanting, “Who is like the beast, and who can make war against him?” Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth uttering great boasts and blasphemies. It was given authority to act for forty-two months. Rev 13:6 Then he opened his mouth with blasphemies against God, to slander His name and His tabernacle—that is, those dwelling in heaven. Rev 13:7 He was also permitted to make war against the kedoshim and overcome them, and he was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship him Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanasWho are the 33 other gods of the ahl?Who are the other gods of South America / India / Sumar / Babylon / Greeks / Rome / Australia Who are the other gods of today - Mormon Jehovah – Allah – and the satanic worship of the Roman Catholic Church and all who repeat it – Protestant or Ellen White or Joseph Smith or Charles Taze Russell Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanasThe Second BeastRev 13:11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. Rev 12:3 Great Red Dragon is a pluralityRev 13:12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast before him, and he makes the earth and all those who dwell in it worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. Rev 13:13 He performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven in the sight of men. Rev 13:14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth through the signs he is permitted to perform, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image in honor of the beast who has the sword wound yet lived. This is an ‘other god’ of the 99% Rev 13:15 The second beast was permitted to give life to the image of the first beast, so that the image of the beast could even speak and cause all who would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. Mohammed / Allah / and Islam – shira lawRev 13:16 He also causes all—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slave—to receive a mark on their right hand or upon their forehead. Life under shira law Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanas Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Yeshua and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor had they received his mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with the Messiah for a thousand years. Who are the beheaded martyrs? Christians that do not bow to the ‘Image of the Beast’ Not the beast in its entirety – but a ‘sar’ / archon lieutenant / ruler of a specific domain WITH – the MARK on their Forehead and Right Arm Gnostic cosmology is wholistic and therefore realistic and applicable for the timesRev 13:17 And so no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark—either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Life as an infidel living under shira lawRev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanasRev 13:18 Here is wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number of a man, and his number is 666. This has always been the reality of God’s Chosen PeopleThe 1% standing with YHWY –vrs – the 99% and their ‘other gods’ – the plurality of the Beast Baal, Molech, Dogon, Zeus, Appollo, Ra and Set = all 100% the plurality of the BeastEph 6:12 – our real struggle is with the plurality of the Beast / principalities / archon Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanas (archon)It is this plurality that = offspring / bane elohiym / seedGen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed…. Gen 6:2 then the bane elohitm saw that the daughters of men were good and they took for themselves wives, any they chose. You say Ezk 28 proves your satan changed himself into the leader of hell and became evil by his own choiceBut scripture says Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, (including Rev 12:3) whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. (Rev 12:3 Beast, devil, powers, archon) All was created through Him and for Him. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 14:02:10 GMT -5
D" There are potentially millions of trees – there is only ONE TREE off limits It is not the tree of satan – or the tree of ra – IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra
AFTER – the events in the garden were over – do we learn of the tree of LifeR" Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Wow Dave you are way off track this time my friend. The tree of life is mentioned before Sin happened. It's an important tree, far more than other fruit trees. The tree of life is not just a fruit tree, but a food that causes humans to become immortal, in the sense, eating the food grants them ongoing living. The tree of life is in the middle of the garden, but the tree of RA is to one side. Ge 3:22 ..and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Ge 3:24 ..to keep (guard) the way of the tree of life. The tree of life is an important tree. De 20:19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege: A secular fruit tree is a simile of the tree of life, where the life of man flows from. Pr 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. The Holy Spirit is a simile of the tree of life for mankind. Pr 15:4 ¶ A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: Again the tree of life is important Re 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Again the tree of life is extremely vital to man Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, Again the tree of life is extremely vital to man -------------------------------------- D "I ask you about ahl satan – the angel of 1Chr 21, or Book of Job, or 2Sam 24, or 1 Kings 22 And you answer with agl satanas / devil / BeastR" So complex is your view, two agents, a Satan good angel prosecutor and a Satanas Archon Red Dragon. D"Now you say RP" GOD is not bound to His laws Dave, R" O sorry, the context of my sentence is about natural laws, not moral laws. Not all laws are absolute laws of love Dave, your Gnostic writings say God deals with natural law of entropy. I disagree, This is a law from SIN. And as I said God is not bound to natural laws all the time, a miracle is an example of this. D" Eve was first, then Adam – R" you disregard Hebrew culture and masculine kingship of the man and his kingdom. Scripture sees as the Adam sinning first, and than the curse. If Eve had sinned first, but Adam did not, than the Creation would remain perfect, but Eve would have died only. But Adam decided to die with her and ate the fruit also. --------------------------- D" BOOM - NO IT IS NOT – again you misrepresent scripture to make your pointR" Before you argue your view, take it up with Jeff Benner:- R" From Jeff Benner Greek/Hebrew equivalence book Grk#:266 amartia / ham-ar-tee-ah (noun): Sin Freq:&174 Heb#:2403 חטאה / hha-ta-a (noun): Error—An act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior. A missing of the target in the sense of making a mistake. The sacrifice, which by transference, becomes the sin.
Grk#:268 amartwloV / ham-ar-to-los (adj): Sinner Freq:&47 Heb#:2398 חטא / hha-ta (verb): Err—To miss the target, whether a literal target or a goal that is aimed for. {The Greek word amartwloV is a translation of the participle form of the Hebrew verb חטא meaning “one who errs.”}What I have presented is perfectly the same as Jeff Benner. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R" Question: Does the archons (red dragon) have angels at his command?D" The Great Red Dragon appeared as a plurality – read the scripture"and his angels were thrown down with him" - curious as to your answer? YES _ all the archon were cast into the earth – all of them -= The Beast, the devil, the serpent, Chaldean satanasR" Don't you have the caring to answer my question? What does plurality mean? Does the Red dragon have angels or not? (on your second post here, you still did not explain plurality??) nor did you answer if the Archon has angels under his command?D" The doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman inventionR" Really? Does the Red dragon have angels or not? You never answered my question? Hmmm? book-ofenoch.com/chapter-i/" Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai; appear with his hosts; and be manifested in the strength of his power from heaven.
Explain to me Dave how Book Of Enoch can write about a Mount Sinai Before the great flood event, from which emerged a great mountain, not before. This proves this scroll was written after Enoch, who lived Before the Great Flood. " They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it. Explain to me Dave how seasonal changes are written by Enoch who would not have experienced such changes, since these happened only after the Great Flood. " And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.You write and explain this away. I raise the issue again, This scroll mentions angels.... so I ask you does the Red Dragon Archon Yalboath have angels under his command, or not? ---------------------------------- Dave you post numerous texts, saying the Red Dragon is plurality, but you do not explain how and why, and your discourse lacks details. You quote Rev 13 passages and do not explain, the beast power, or the dragon power, or the head that was wounded. Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanas Rev 13:15 Mohammed / Allah / and Islam – shira lawOH so different to my own SDA view.
D" and his number is 666. Muslim name for Allah is 666, Hmm?
D"It is this plurality that = offspring / bane elohiym / seed D" Gen 6:2 then the bane elohitm saw that the daughters of men were good and they took for themselves wives, any they chose.
R" So confusing Dave, so this bane elohiym, were angels that are under the command of the Archon Yalboath? You have not told me does the Red Dragon Archon have angels under his command, who also fell to earth, and thus sin in their kingdom on earth. You cannot say Archon Yalboath has angels under his command, hence you fail to answer this question, because I would say to you, arn't angels programmed robots to follow God only. Yet clearly the angels fell from heaven to earth under the leadership of the dragon in Rev 12. And yet Book of Enoch, a false writing also describes angels coming to earth to sexually do impossible things to women on earth. So answer this question, does Yalaboath the Dragon Archon you support have angels under his care on earth or not? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2021 15:33:02 GMT -5
D"There are potentially millions of trees – there is only ONE TREE off limits It is not the tree of satan – or the tree of ra – IT IS THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE between tov and ra Wow Dave you are way off track this time my friend. The tree of life is mentioned before Sin happened. The choice was only about one tree – the tree of the knowledge between tov and raThe tree of life is an important tree.After – the event of sin – after the transgression of the lawGen 3:22 Then Adonai Elohim said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. So now, in case he stretches out his hand and takes also from the Tree of Life and eats and lives forever,” Pr 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. The Holy Spirit is a simile of the tree of life for mankind.So – you preach that the HS has been removed to keep man away from the HSsatan really has you under his rule D"BOOM - NO IT IS NOT – again you misrepresent scripture to make your point R" Before you argue your view, take it up with Jeff Benner:- R" From Jeff Benner Greek/Hebrew equivalence book What I have presented is perfectly the same as Jeff Benner.Sorry Robert G266 is translated into many different Hebrew words than just the single one you pickWhat does Jeff Brenner say about Word study H3629 So far you have been AFRAID to address this question Hebrew expert----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R"Question: Does the archons (red dragon) have angels at his command?D" The Great Red Dragon appeared as a plurality – read the scripture"and his angels were thrown down with him" - curious as to your answer?YES _ all the archon were cast into the earth – all of them -= The Beast, the devil, the serpent, Chaldean satanasR" Don't you have the caring to answer my question? What does plurality mean?Either you are STUPID or you are just trying top be an ASS agent for your satan What does plurality mean?Does the Red dragon have angels or not? (on your second post here, you still did not explain plurality??) nor did you answer if the Archon has angels under his command?YES - all the archon were cast into the earth – all of them -= The Beast, the devil, the serpent, Chaldean satanasD" The doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman invention R" Really? Does the Red dragon have angels or not? You never answered my question?YES - all the archon were cast into the earth – all of them -= The Beast, the devil, the serpent, Chaldean satanasThe beast was never friendly with God as you claim in Ezk 28 The beast just appeared – in a plurality You can call this the Beast and his angels – (messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon)You can call this the beast and his army - (messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon)You can call this the Beast and his offspring (bane elohiym) - (messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon) Do you have any of David Icke's videos where he actualy mentions "archons" by that name or word?Hmmm? What about the video I offered?00:35 - - obvious conclusion – This world is controlled by very few people behind the people behind the people we think are in power. 28:10 – just outside visible light – there are ENTITIES that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons. 29:15 – these entities go by different names – some people call them the serpent race, some people call them demonic, Islam calls them Jinn – Names don’t matter they are all the same entities – (archon) I have answered your question many times – you deny the archon, Principalities that are our real strugglebook-ofenoch.com/chapter-i/ "Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai; appear with his hosts; and be manifested in the strength of his power from heaven. Explain to me Dave how Book Of Enoch can write about a Mount Sinai Before the great flood event, from which emerged a great mountain, not before. This proves this scroll was written after Enoch, who lived Before the Great Flood.Hmmm? Enoch walked with God – Taken into heaven - Explain to me how John can write of the Great White Throne Judgment or the New Heaven and Earth"They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it. Explain to me Dave how seasonal changes are written by Enoch who would not have experienced such changes, since these happened only after the Great Flood.Hmmm? Enoch walked with God – Taken into heaven - Explain to me how John can write of the Great White Throne Judgment or the New Heaven and earth" And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children. YES – Gen 6You write and explain this away. I raise the issue again, This scroll mentions angels.... so I ask you does the Red Dragon Archon Yalboath have angels under his command, or not?G32 - ἄγγελος - From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger.
And again – YES – the Beast is a plurality – satan’s seed - he has many offspring (bane elohiym) he has a general – and an army of soldiers / agents / principalities / Jinn / serpent race / demons / shedim Baal / Molech / Gogon / Zeus / Jupiter / Ra and Set = all 100% devils of the Beast = all satanas of the Beast – all false prophets of the Beast – all the ‘other gods’ of the ahl and the entire WORLD---------------------------------- Dave you post numerous texts, saying the Red Dragon is plurality, but you do not explain how and why, and your discourse lacks details. You quote Rev 13 passages and do not explain, the beast power, or the dragon power, or the head that was wounded. Rev 12:7 - cast out - ejected - pushed into corruptabliityAlso - the Ottoman Empire was struck down by England at the end of WWI Soon the 10 7 hills (nations) of the Ottoman Empire are soon to reunite under Irainian Shite rule That would be the Chaldeans in case you have forgotten Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth shall worship the Beast of Revelations – Dragon / devil / satanas Rev 13:15 Mohammed / Allah / and Islam – shira lawOH so different to my own SDA view. Yes I know you deny so much scripture in favor of your Catholic Fallen Angel god You deny that there is anything prophetic about 1948 Israel You read scripture that says – all the world will worship the Beast Yet you deny that the ‘other gods’ of the 99% are real You deny scripture - and just focuse upon cherub chata - the Catholic distraction and the anti-Christ is Christian - / divide and concour / the best tactic of an anemyD"It is this plurality that = offspring / bane elohiym / seed D" Gen 6:2 then the bane elohitm saw that the daughters of men were good and they took for themselves wives, any they chose. Yep – they did OK as long as they remained as archon – but when they embraced their matter form – they fell for ( yester ra) – for (yester ra) is of biologyWhat Commandment did they trangress to be called sinning?Reproduce after your own Kind was a commandment given to the BEAST of the fieldR" So confusing Dave, so this bane elohiym, were angels that are under the command of the Archon Yalboath?You are trying to play your word game – but I will not playThe bane elohiym were NEVER angels The Archon were NEVER angels The Devil was NEVER and angel The Beast of Revelation was NEVER and angel It appeared fully formed in a plurality You have not told me does the Red Dragon Archon have angels under his command, who also fell to earth, and thus sin in their kingdom on earth.I tell you over and over – all of the archon are cast to earth and this is their kingdomIf God created everything – why is it a sin for the Great Red Dragon to appear? Show me the Law – the Commandment that the Great Red Dragon transgresses Scriptures says over and over The Beast is allowed If the Beast is allowed - how can the Beast be sinning? Tell me what does a cow have to do to be a sinner - or a termite We are talking about the 'serpent race' NOT the angels that were created to praise and serve GodYou cannot say Archon Yalboath has angels under his command, hence you fail to answer this question, No Robert the Beast does not command God’s angels that were created to serve and praise God The Great Red Dragon appeared fully formed in a plurality – devil – serpent – satanas – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them the Jinn – Paul and Luke call them Principalities (archon)
AND Archon Yalboath goes by many names - Samuel / sakla / etc - names do not matter All the archon go by many different names - shades / shedim / Jinn / evil spirits / demons / devils Book of Enoch, a false writing also describes angels coming to earth to sexually do impossible things to women on earth. Now Gen 6 is error and again I must ask about those 64 verses within the Roman Canon Either Enoch is rubbish as Rome tells you to say and those 64 agl verses need to be throw out Or Enoch h is worthy of being quoted within the inspired word of God Please choose one position and stick to it – flip flop man Please make up your mind!So answer this question, does Yalaboath the Dragon Archon you support have angels under his care on earth or not?Again and again and againNo Robert the Beast does not command God’s angels that were created to serve and praise God The Great Red Dragon appeared fully formed in a plurality – devil – serpent – satanas – some people call them the serpent race – Islam calls them the Jinn – Paul and Luke call them Principalities (archon)
Why do you work so hard to deny the Beast, the devil, the serpent, and satanas who are the 'other gods' of the whole world Why do you work so hard to dent Eph 6:12 - our real struggle - principalities (archon) Why do you work so hard to deny Col 1:16 - they were made by God for God Why do you work so hard to deny John 1:3 - nothing was made that was not made through Him Whose side are you really on? CHRISTIAN
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 15:55:25 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
Again you twist and deny the obvious translations of the Bible.
The bane elohiym were NEVER angels The Archon were NEVER angels The Devil was NEVER and angel The Beast of Revelation was NEVER and angel It appeared fully formed in a plurality
So the word translated "angel" is wrong.
Jul 28, 2021 at 10:14pm Dave said: The chief Archon commands "(messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon)" NOT ANGELS.
Let's see
Mt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the "messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon" of the Lord
181 verses use aggelos Dave, how many of those verse use "messengers, agents, false prophets- principalities - archon" to refer to agents that are NOT cherub? ie ANGELS?
We could use the term "malak" and "messenger" could fit all the 181 verses.
But the problem is the Greek does not have a term for "cherub" while the Hebrew has both "cherub and malak".
So according to your theory there is no such thing as "angels", because you cannot choose to deny all the meanings of "Aggelos" for all 181 verses.
Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
This verse says the messengers came from heaven, or did once long ago, but your theory is the archons came from earth, made on the earth.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you .. worshipping of angels,
How can mankind worship archon messengers, when this creature is not mentioned in Scripture, nor created as a creature on earth in the Hebrew OT. Only in your Gnostic writings does the archon get a creation. Not found in the Hebrew OT. So your archon creature is a myth. No such word.
The word "arche" means "beginning" and the creatures created in the beginning, as told in Ezekiel before man existed where cherub, and one cherub sinned. But you ignore this one verse because you hate the outcome.
I could use the same logic on you, I find nearly all the "Aggelos" refer to God's messengers in heaven, maybe 1 or 2 verses refer to the Dragon's Aggelos. But you twist the meaning, NOT to mean angel. SO sad for you.
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Hmmm? What about the video I offered? 00:35 - - obvious conclusion – This world is controlled by very few people behind the people behind the people we think are in power. 28:10 – just outside visible light – there are ENTITIES that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons. 29:15 – these entities go by different names – some people call them the serpent race, some people call them demonic, Islam calls them Jinn – Names don’t matter they are all the same entities
I asked you for a video where David Icke speaks of the word "Archon"? What can't you supply me with one? "entities" is not the term "archon", so stop pulling my leg.
Icke talks about the dangers of Graphene Oxide, yet you ignore his words. So sad for you.
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Hmmm? Enoch walked with God – Taken into heaven - Explain to me how John can write of the Great White Throne Judgment or the New Heaven and Earth
Again you do not answer me. Sure Enoch had visions, and maybe he saw mountains come out of the earth after the great flood, but he could put no names to them.
Enoch had oral memory of his words, they did not write words down in Enoch's time, all the people had perfect memories. Somebody wrote this scroll long after Enoch walked into heaven... he did not leave his body behind... funny that... the soul always includes the body... right into heaven...
D"Either Enoch is rubbish as Rome tells you to say and those 64 agl verses need to be throw out
R" Maybe somebody wrote those lines back say in 300BC to wait until we found them today... fake accounts...so easy to do...nobody would know...deceive the very elect...
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D"Show me the Law – the Commandment that the Great Red Dragon transgresses
R" One transgression should do:-
Rev 12, the words "war" "fight" "deceive" "Accuser" "persecuted"
All these words speak of the dragon, and ARE words that oppose the principles of love, ie moral law.
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I will add something to this post for you
Messianic Bible <news@biblesforisrael.com>
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The word akev is first used in Genesis in an important prophecy: the seed of Chava (Eve) will eventually crush the head of the serpent. “And I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel [akev].” (Genesis 3:15) This is the first Messianic prophecy in the Bible. From it we understand that the enemy would attempt to strike at the heel of the Messiah; instead however, our Messiah would crush the enemy’s head and destroy the works of the devil. “The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.” (1 John 3:8)
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Why do the Messianic Jews write this? Why is the devil termed an enemy? and an enemy to Christ? Sounds strange to me, seems to me, the Messianic Jews see a "great controversy here"? Not your view at all?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 31, 2021 17:25:40 GMT -5
The bane elohiym were NEVER angels The Archon were NEVER angels The Devil was NEVER and angel The Beast of Revelation was NEVER and angel It appeared fully formed in a plurality
So the word translated "angel" is wrong. So according to your theory there is no such thing as "angels", We could use the term "malak" and "messenger" could fit all the 181 verses.
You are trying to play a word game – word man Thank you for answering you own confusion There are messenger from God – we in English call them angels – they are not of matter / they are etherial There are also messengers of the Beast, the serpent race, the Jinn, the shedim, the archon – who are made with some matter and are corporeal
The Beast was never an angel – it appeared as the Beast The Beast appeared as plurality You claimed not to understand English or have access to a dictionary – a plurality is more than one The Beast messengers / army / archon / demons / false prophets were never God’s angels – they are all creatures of matter
Gal 1:8 But even if we (or an messenger from heaven) should announce any “good news” to you other than what we have proclaimed to you, let that person be cursed!
This verse says the messengers came from heaven, or did once long ago, but your theory is the archons came from earth, made on the earth.
Definitions – heavens = invisible realm = another dimension -
This verse says Gal 1:8 But even if we (or an invisible messengers) should announce any “good news” to you other than what we have proclaimed to you, let that person be cursed!
Who are invisible messengers that act as false prophets and deceivers Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (archon), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, (13 Families) against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Col 2:18 Let no one disqualify you by insisting on false humility and worship of(messengers of this WORLD — archon – messengers of the Beast) going into detail about what he has seen, puffed up without cause by his fleshly mind.
How can mankind worship archon messengers, when this creature is not mentioned in Scripture, So – in all of the ahl – there is zero mention of any other god? No serpent religion? You see – you have absolutely no idea of the ahl or Judaism
nor created as a creature on earth in the Hebrew OT. Correct the ahl does not give the creation story for the Beast of Revelation – you are correct
Only in your Gnostic writings does the archon get a creation. Not found in the Hebrew OT. So your archon creature is a myth. No such word. If you consider the agl and the Book of The revelation of the Apostle John Gnostic – then YES Rev 12:3 says the Beast appeared
The word "arche" means "beginning" - word game – same ole word game
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Hmmm? Enoch walked with God – Taken into heaven - Explain to me how John can write of the Great White Throne Judgment or the New Heaven and Earth Again you do not answer me. Sure Enoch had visions, You just doubt those visions – because you do not like what he saw – or you cannot disobey your Roman guidelines of what to believe or not -----------------------
D"Show me the Law – the Commandment that the Great Red Dragon transgresses R" One transgression should do:- Rev 12, the words "war" "
God waged war against the Beast – and you say it is a sin? Yes God wage war against the Beast – but I asked you what law did the Beast transgress Jesus knew – don’t you – a liar and a murder from the beginning What is the lie – I am First – there is none but ME (SELF) What is the murder – Entropy – Gen 1:2 choshek -------------------------
I will add something to this post for you Messianic Bible news@biblesforisrael.com Why do the Messianic Jews write this? Why is the devil termed an enemy? and an enemy to Christ? Sounds strange to me, seems to me, the Messianic Jews see a "great controversy here"? Not your view at all?
Why is the devil termed an enemy? and an enemy to Christ? Just to be honest – I read this over and over – where are your words? Christ will - crush the head of the serpent
And I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel BEWTEEN the serpent race and the woman And between the offspring of the Beast /serpent race and the offspring of the woman
AGAIN – another GIANT HOLE in you Fallen Angel argument who cannot have offspring!
This is the first Messianic prophecy in the Bible. 2nd actually – Gen 1:3 introduces the Light of Salvation = Christ But YES Messianic Prophesy and a curse all in the same verse
“The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. Sin = transgressing the Law What law – seek ye First the Kingdom of heaven and Love as Christ did – witness the truth
From it we understand that the enemy would attempt to strike at the heel of the Messiah; YES – the mission of the archon is to to keep you focused upon the WORLD so you have no time for the HS
instead however, our Messiah would crush the enemy’s head and destroy the works of the devil. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.” (1 John 3:8)
YEP - Rom 7:24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God—it is through Messiah Yeshua our Lord!
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D" The Beast messengers / army / archon / demons / false prophets were never God’s angels – they are all creatures of matterR" Well if these are creatures of matter, where in the OT or NT and BOTH are these creatures of matter named? The only name of a creature from heaven, are cherub, the other terms are functional descriptors of cherub. Where is your term for these creatures of matter in the OT/NT? D" This verse says Gal 1:8 But even if we (or an invisible messengers) should announce any “good news” to you other than what we have proclaimed to you, let that person be cursed!R" So this is your term? You are using malak, which is a functional descriptor of a creature of matter. The creature is a messenger. OK I get that? Now where is your term for the biological or spiritual creature of matter? D" Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities (archon), against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, (13 Families) against spiritual wickedness in high places.R" Wow Dave, you are presenting a good logical flow for me Eph 6:12 For <hoti> we <hemin> wrestle <pale> not <ou> against <esti> <pros> flesh <sarx> and <kai> blood <haima>, but <alla> against <pros> principalities <arche>, against <pros> powers <exousia>, against <pros> the rulers <kosmokrator> of the darkness <skotos> of this <toutou> world <aion>, against <pros> spiritual <pneumatikos> wickedness <poneria> in <en> high <epouranios> places. I include the Greek for readers, so I am honest showing both KJV and Greek. Dave suggests arche is a term for a creature of matter, the archon. Is this so? There are 56 verses that use arche in the NT, using the same Greek word. I will show readers one verse only to negate Dave's claim. Mt 19:4 And <de> he answered <apokrinomai> and said <epo> unto them <autos>, Have ye <anaginosko> not <ou> read <anaginosko>, that <hoti> he which <ho> made <poieo> them at <apo> the beginning <arche> made <poieo> them <autos> male <arrhen> and <kai> female <thelus>, This is the first sentence that uses "Arche" in a Bible NT verse, and readers can see "Arche" does not reference a "Creature of matter" at all. The term refers to the "beginning when some comes along in time". I do not need to show other verses of context. One is sufficient. Now some might claim words change to different meanings depending upon their context. Is this claim true? How would you understand me if this bogus claim was true? Consider the meanings of these words in this passage A play with several meanings of Box. "Once upon a time a boxer boxed a box . The box hurt. So the box died and was placed in a box . Now Box the boxer was a good dog as far as a boxer went. He could box the socks off a cat, old Box could. One day Box boxed the box tree until the cat ran down the box avoiding the boxing from the boxer because Box could box ! And that's why the box died ! Now if you find this story about Box a little confusing maybe its time to box old Box !" What meaning does the Author intend for the underlined "box" word? (1) to punch the boxer dog? or (2) to place the boxer dog in a box? Answer? We d o not know. Such is polysemy if the words in any language show polysemy. Even words with multiple meanings have consistent meanings in their sentences. But for all other words, there is always a single basic meaning for that word. More spiritualsprings.org/ss-131.htmI have suggested to Dave, there is no "Creature with matter" termed archon in Scripture. It doesn't exist. D" The word "arche" means "beginning" - word game – same ole word gameR" When you cannot defeat the Hebrew word meanings, you simply say you are playing word games. Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Law here is torah, the teachings of the words of GOD, found in the latter and former teachings, the latter and form rain, the OT and NT. In which language? Hebrew. The Greek became a translation of the Hebrew. Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. This other tongue was Greek, here the latter teachings are in Greek. Even the latest teachings are in English. Thus we would suspect both Greek and English to follow Hebrew, the mother of all languages from Eden. God does not play word games with you. -------------------------------- D" But names are all confusing for you – because you play your word gamesR SO I take it David Icke does not use the term "archon", only entities. A broad misleading term at best? D" You just doubt those visions – because you do not like what he saw R" If Encoh saw the Great Flood coming upon the earth, He sure did not see the mountain with it's label of Mt Sinai? But maybe I am wrong, maybe God told him the mountain would some day be called Mt Sinai? D" God waged war against the Beast – and you say it is a sin?
Yes God wage war against the Beast – but I asked you what law did the Beast transgressR" SO if this beast creature of matter was created by GOD to have SELF, and GOD waged war with his created creature of matter, why did God create it, knowing it would become a liar, and a murderer, and thus sin? And more importantly where is the word to describe the creature of matter this dragon beast is? D" YES – the mission of the archon is to to keep you focused upon the WORLD so you have no time for the HSR" OK. So where is the "Creature of matter term" for this beast dragon power? It's not archon as you claim. And we both agree this creature of matter is an enemy to GOD, yet God created it, but there is no "creature of matter" term for this creature? Only your archon term you invent? Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his messengers, OK we both agree, the dragon had messengers, so the term we look for this "creature of matter" is a creature originally once created in heaven? OK with this idea? Jude 1:6 And the messengers which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Notice this verse has your arche term, but here it is translated "first estate." Where did these messengers come from? heaven, as Rev 12:8 tells us. Eze 10:8 ¶ And there appeared <ra'ah> in the cherubims <k@ruwb> the form <tabniyth> of a man's <'adam> hand <yad> under their wings <kanaph>. Now the only "creature of matter" in heaven, just happens to be similar in creation to mankind. The reader can note the term "adam" is the same term used for mankind, when Adam was created on earth. These creatures of matter are termed "karuwb" and if we investigate all the references to this term:- Ps 18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. God rides on the cherub, which suggests this creature of matter is in heaven where GOD is. Ps 99:1 ¶ The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. God also sits between the cherubims in heaven. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Here one of cherubims sinned before GOD. Here is identify the term for the creature of matter, cherub, and the war over the cherub that sinned in heaven, hence GOD banished this cherub and his messenger cherubs unto the earth. Now all I do is follow Scripture, and it's really easy to do, just look up the words and follow the verses with those verses. Notice both cherub and humans are similar creatures of matter, with iysh and adam terms describing both creatures. Is there any verse describing archon in heaven, dwelling near GOD and thus sinning before God , hence why there was a war over these archon creatures? No verses at all, not even a single term we can look up. Nothing. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 1, 2021 19:16:32 GMT -5
You are struggling – You use words to corrupt scripture And you just continue to deny scripture – or corrupt scripture to fit your needs at any given time Your respect for the word of God is evident – only Roman canon is pure and the Roman doctrine of satanology is correct
You deny all things Jewish – because Rome tells you to
More importantly – you deny the spirit and the spirit realms And you choose the WORLDLY physical body over the spirit
D"The Beast messengers / army / archon / demons / false prophets were never God’s angels – they are all creatures of matter R" Well if these are creatures of matter, where in the OT or NT and BOTH are these creatures of matter named?
1- OT = Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. The serpent in the garden was a creature made of matter – a beast of the field – like livestock
2- NT = Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas Serpent = creature made of matter = the devil = the Beast = the satanas
Where is your term for these creatures of matter in the OT/NT?
H7700 – 2 matches in 2 verses = שֵׁד - shêd – shade - From H7736; a daemon (as malignant): - devil.
H8163 – 59 matches in 57 verses = שָׂעִר שָׂעִיר - From H8175; shaggy; as noun, a he goat; by analogy a faun: - devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.
The only name of a creature from heaven, are cherub How can the Beast, Devil, Serpent, satanas – be cast from heaven – if they are not from heaven?
If you have no definitions then you can make any argument you want Heavens = other dimensions = other localities of reality God commands evil spirits more than once – do your evil spirits reside in your heaven?
Gal 1:8 - You are using malak, which is a functional descriptor Correct - G32 = ἄγγελος = to bring tidings; a messenger;
If that (entity spirit messenger) is from God we call it an angel If that (entity spirit messenger) is not from God we call it and evil spirit
If you look scripture over from top to bottom - (entity spirit messengers) is from God we call it an angels come in 9 or 10 different types So even tho they are more than one type – we just call them all angels and we say they are from heaven
(entity spirit messengers) not from God are from the domain of the Beast = WORLD Catholics call them demons and they are from Catholic Hell Jews call them shedim and see them as the devils in our WORLD Islam call them Jinn – and they act out of jealousy ans inhabit our WORLD Paul and Luke called the principalities in the agl
You argue they are all made up stuff
I include the Greek for readers, so I am honest showing both KJV and Greek. Dave suggests arche is a term for a creature of matter, the archon. Is this so?
G746 - ἀρχή - chief/first (in various applications of order, time, place or rank) First in time – in the beginning First in place – the corner of a building First in rank - magistrate, power, principality,
G758 - ἄρχων - archōn - Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.
G757 - ἄρχω - A primary verb; to be first (in political rank or power): - reign (rule) over.
Your favorite verse - Gen 42:6 Ιωσηφ δὲ ἦν ἄρχων Joseph was GOVERNOR
I have suggested to Dave, there is no "Creature with matter" termed archon in Scripture. It doesn't exist. D"The word "arche" means "beginning" - word game – same ole word game YEP –– why do you work so hard to corrupt scripture
R" Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. YEP –– why do you work so hard to corrupt scripture
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D"But names are all confusing for you – because you play your word games R SO I take it David Icke does not use the term "archon", only entities. A broad misleading term at best? Who do you say the serpent race / or the demonic / or the Jinn are - Just made up stuff Now you wish that the serpent in the garden was not real? Just how much of your scripture has to be - just made up stuff - for your Catholic Angel worship to be true
R" SO if this beast creature of matter was created by GOD to have SELF, 1- The ahl says God created this and God created that 2-Jewish legend = Adamus and Lillith (archon) – they parented the demons 3- the agl says the Beast (archon) just appeared fully formed in a plurality – with 10 horns and 7 crowns 4- Gnostic text says – by the HS without her Consorts knowledge- with some matter and it multiplied/offspring Jews just say – the right hand is of instruction and salvation – the left hands is the hand of mystery and discipline Jesus said - Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
and GOD waged war with his created creature of matter, Matter cannot co-exist in heaven – does not belong -
why did God create it, knowing it would become a liar, and a murderer, and thus sin? If you will listen I will go over this one last time – I have answered this same question many times
1- Without any Gnostic writings – only the agl as approved by Rome – the Cathars saw Rev 12:3 the Great Red Dragon – as physical creation itself – the WORLD that is waiting to devour – WORLD comes with biologically programmed instinct for self-preservation – SELF = (yester ra) The Gnostic Cathars saw scripture as Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the (incorruptible) heaven and the (corruption) earth. From God we came – souljourn through the corruptibility – and return t the incorruption
The Beast, devil, serpent, and satanas are all creatures of the WORLD And we are souljourning through their WORLD
100% in harmony with anything within the agl satanas is a liar, and a murderer from the beginning and this is his kingdom – When Christ entered this WORLD even the WORLD tempted Jesus Christ / everyday as all of us – and alone in the wilderness
2- The Nag Hammadi – same author as Gospel of John, 1, 2, 3 John, and the Book of Revelation said, Created by the HS without her Consorts knowledge- with some matter and it multiplied/offspring Jews just say – the right hand is of instruction and salvation – the left hands is the hand of mystery and discipline Jesus said - Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Making the First Archon - just the first sentient being / creature made with some matter The first creature with matter driven (yester ra) = SELF
why did God create it, knowing it would become a liar, and a murderer, and thus sin?
Only Roman Catholics are left wondering why – because it conflicts with Feel Good Christianity
A Jew will say - Deu 8:2 God leads us through the wilderness—in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
The Gnostic Answer Authoritative Teaching And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
Your answer = it is all satan’s doing because satan hates god
The Beast, devil, serpent, and satanas are all creatures of the WORLD And we are souljourning through their WORLD
And more importantly where is the word to describe the creature of matter this dragon beast is? Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. The serpent in the garden was a creature made of matter – a beast of the field – like livestock
And we both agree this creature of matter is an enemy to GOD, Sorry Robert – I will just stick to scripture Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;
Which expresses itself in Gen 6 – Nephilim, Chimeras, and post-flood Rephiem Num 13:33 We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!” And if you do not accept the idea of Chimeras – please google the Hebrew word satyr
Jude 1:6 – are all about the (archon) bane elohiym (satan’s seed) and Nephilim .That are held in chain to be let out and used again by God in Rev 9
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 4:16:21 GMT -5
D" 1- OT = Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. The serpent in the garden was a creature made of matter – a beast of the field – like livestock2- NT = Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas Serpent = creature made of matter = the devil = the Beast = the satanas
R" Very good Dave, nice quotes, good logic, so the s erpent creature is actually a creature made of matter.
D" H7700 – 2 matches in 2 verses = שֵׁד - shêd – shade - From H7736; a daemon (as malignant): - devil.
H8163 – 59 matches in 57 verses = שָׂעִר שָׂעִיר - From H8175; shaggy; as noun, a he goat; by analogy a faun: - devil, goat, hairy, kid, rough, satyr.R" Very good Dave, nice quotes, good logic Except Jeff Benner lists this word H7700 as Nm) (W ((W ShD) — I. Breast: II. Demon: A goat demon, from the teats of the goat. [freq. 26] |kjv: breast, teat, pap| {str: 7699, 7700} A word with polysemy, two different meanings? Hmm? And yes Jeff Benner sees the next related V) (JW ((JW ShWD) — Spoil: [freq. 1] (vf: Paal) |kjv: waste| {str: 7736} Nm) (JW ((JW ShWD) — Spoiling: [ms: ds] [freq. 25] |kjv: destruction| {str: 7701} SO we have spoiler/spoiling the verb/noun form of this word as well. So the breast has a functional use to provide... And the opposite meaning is to have a dysfunctional use, to spoil or be spoiled. (a dry breast) D" How can the Beast, Devil, Serpent, satanas – be cast from heaven – if they are not from heaven?R" Correct, so the Beast, Devil, Serpent, satanas was made in heaven first correct? than banished to earth? correct? so these creatures of matter had to be on the earth first before Creation began for man, to live in this new creation? These creatures of matter were not created during Creation Week for man, they had to be created as creatures of matter before Creation Week for man, a long time before, to be sent from heaven to earth. You make these creatures fit in day 1 , still happened before man was created, first created in heaven, than banished to earth, before creation of earth started. You need time for the war in heaven. D" we call it an angels come in 9 or 10 different typesR" Not different types of creatures of matter, different functional descriptors
D" You argue they are all made up stuffR Pardon, I do not say the Shedim is made up. these creatures of matter are real. they originally came from heaven and were banished to the earth, long before Creation for man began. Dave shows me the Greek word "archon" 758. arcwn archon, ar'-khone Search for 758 in KJV present participle of 757; a first (in rank or power):--chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler. 36 verses use this word, archon. Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler,Notice the Hebrew equivalent for this word: Jeff Benner lists a few possibilities Grk#:758 arcwn / ar-khone (noun): Ruler Freq:&37 Heb#:4428 מלך / me-lekh (noun): King—The male ruler of a nation or city state. Heb#:5387 נשיא / na-si (noun): Captain—A military leader; the commander of a unit or a body of troops. The leader of a family, tribe or people as one who carries the burdens of the people. Heb#:7218 ראש / rosh (noun): Head—The top of the body. A person in authority or role of leader. The top, beginning or first of something. Heb#:8269 שר / sar (noun): Noble—Possessing outstanding qualities or properties. Of high birth or exalted rank. One who has authority. May also mean "heavy" from the weight of responsibility on one in authority
G758 = sar, head, captain, king OK Dave show me where these words are quoted as a shedim, or an opposing archon force against man? The term simply means a "ruler ruling". D" YEP –– why do you work so hard to corrupt scriptureR I don't. SO where is your archon view in the OT? SHow me a verse or two? D" Who do you say the serpent race / or the demonic / or the Jinn are /R" Yes maybe, David Icke does use the term Jinn, doesn't he? SO where does the Bible in the OT use the term Jinn? D" Matter cannot co-exist in heaven – does not belong -R" WHAT? ? Are you for real Dave? Eze 10:8 ¶ And there appeared <ra'ah> in the cherubims <k@ruwb> the form <tabniyth> of a man's <'adam> hand <yad> under their wings <kanaph>. Here I show you a verse where cherubim have the form of adam hand, the same matter stuff Adam's hand is made of ? This means angels are made of matter, like a human is. D" T he Gnostic Cathars saw scripture as Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the (incorruptible) heaven and the (corruption) earth.R" What is this STUFF Dave? Why is suddenly God's creative ability sometimes perfect (incorruptible)and sometimes imperfect (corruption)? So heaven is perfect but earth is imperfect? Explain To me everything GOD creates is perfect.D" Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. The serpent in the garden was a creature made of matter – a beast of the field – like livestockR" SO you are saying the archon creature made of matter, is just like livestock? What? no intelligence, no thinking or cognitive abilities, what? How does the archon creature like a cow do anything to tempt humans, why even humans are far smarter than apes, let alone livestock. Dave you are way off track. The creature made of matter, entered into a dragon serpent, for a reason. The worldly creature was cursed into a snake, but the creature that entered the snake or serpent, was a different creature of matter, of supreme intelligence. You have mentioned some very way off themes, you have not introduced before. Please address these weird issues. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 3, 2021 14:18:56 GMT -5
You have mentioned some very way off themes, you have not introduced before. Please address these weird issues.What themes – I have always stood by the fact that the archon are creatures made with some matter As opposed to angels that are etherealD" 1- OT = Gen 3:14 2- NT = Rev 12:9 Serpent = creature made of matter = the devil = the Beast = the satanas R" Very good Dave, nice quotes, good logic, so the serpent creature is actually a creature made of matter. D" How many Christians say they love the Lord – but after 20-30 years can’t even answer elementary Sunday School questions – and show up every week to hear the same invocation over and over. R I can relate to that AND I AM TALKING TO ONE! I do not quote this to be hard on you – but to make a point In all of your study – you never understood that the serpent was a physical creature? A Beast of the field?
What does a creature of matter have to do with cherub chata, or any type of angel = NOTHING -------------- Jeff Benner lists this word H7700 as A word with polysemy, two different meanings? Hmm?And H3629 is another glaring example of a polysemy of Hebrew BOOM – all of your arguments about ZERO polysemy just went up in smoke!Your Robert Method of chasing words back to the roots meanings is not a bad ideaTo force words in a zero polysemy is a bad ideaTo take different words – from different languages and force them to mean the same – is major error-------------- D"How can the Beast, Devil, Serpent, satanas – be cast from heaven – if they are not from heaven? R" Correct, so the Beast, Devil, Serpent, satanas was made in heaven first correct? than banished to earth? correct? so these creatures of matter had to be on the earth first before Creation began for man, to live in this new creation? YEP – Gen 1:2 = Rev 12:7 – absolutely agreeD" we call it an angels come in 9 or 10 different types R" Not different types of creatures of matter, different functional descriptorsTwist away Robert so it does not make senseGal 1:8 - You are using malak, which is a functional descriptor Correct - G32 = ἄγγελος = to bring tidings; a messenger; If that (entity spirit messenger) is from God we call it an angel – and it is ethereal (not of matter) If that (entity spirit messenger) is not from God we call it and evil spirit and is corporeal (made with some matter) D" You argue they are all made up stuff R Pardon, I do not say the Shedim is made up. these creatures of matter are real. they originally came from heaven and were banished to the earth, long before Creation for man began.Correct – the Beast – the First Archon – and all the archonOK Dave show me where these words are quoted as a shedim, or an opposing archon force against man?Deu 32:17 (TLV) They sacrificed to demons, a non-god, gods they had not known Deu 32:17 (KJV) They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, Deu 32:17 (ASV) They sacrificed unto demons, which were no God, Shedim = non-God gods = other gods = Baal, Molech, Dogon, Zeus, Ra, Ahura Mazda, Bramah, etc, etc, etc = many many names – from many different cultures and languages from different ages of the 99% D" Who do you say the serpent race / or the demonic / or the Jinn are / R" Yes maybe, David Icke does use the term Jinn, doesn't he? SO where does the Bible in the OT use the term Jinn?You are asking – what part of the ahl is written in AramaicAnswer – most all of it – it is also the ‘OT’ (pre-amble) for the Koran - Islam is an Abrahamic Religion تثنية 32:17 ذبحوا لاوثان ليست الله. لآلهة لم يعرفوها احداث قد جاءت من قريب لم يرهبها آباؤكم.(Duet) (wiki) Jinn —also romanized as djinn or anglicized as genie —are supernatural creatures in early pre-Islamic Arabian and later Islamic mythology and theology. Like humans, they are created with fitra, Who are the other gods of the ahl = shedim – creatures of matter / offspring of Beelzeebub according to King SolomonYou jump up and down claiming that archon does not exist in scripture You even attempt to deny the principalities of Paul and LukeYou are playing a Word Game and you don’t even do it fairlyThere are 30 different names for the Creator – which one is God?Why doesn’t this confuse you?There are many names for the archon – yet you just cannot accept that!You are playing a Word Game and you don’t even do it fairly------------------- Gnostic literature (the Apostle John) said the archon were made with some matter Why the reference to “SOME” matter – why not all matter – or just made of matter[/b][/font] Answer = The archon are very close to biological man – but – occupy the first dimension / heaven / realm above man – INVISIBLE TO USIf you remember the story of King Solomon – The Angel Michael gave Solomon a ring to use to call forth the shedim – to cause them to appear Enoch tells us the bane elohiym had to Change Their Form - to breed the Nephilim As David Ike says – they operate at a different frequency that visible light But they are just outside our field of vision Animals see differently than man Sometimes animals can see these entities Balaam’s Donkey could see the angel of the Lord – but Balaam could not Elisha’s servant could not see the armies of angels all around him - until God lifted his eyes ------------------ D" Matter cannot co-exist in heaven – does not belong - R" WHAT?? Are you for real Dave?Eze 10:8 - This means angels are made of matter, like a human is. Angels can appear in any form they choose – because they are not biological – they are ethereal No flesh of biology in heaven – we will be changed1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last shofar. For the shofar will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruptibility , and this mortal must put on immortality. No flesh of biology in heaven – we will be changed1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. D" The Gnostic Cathars saw scripture as Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the (incorruptible) heaven and the (corruption) earth. R" What is this STUFF Dave? Why is suddenly God's creative ability sometimes perfect (incorruptible)and sometimes imperfect (corruption)?
So heaven is perfect but earth is imperfect? ExplainPhysical creation comes with ENTROPY (corruptibility) – inherent to / a by-product of physicality2Co 4:18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen are temporary, but the things not seen are age-during. 1Co 7:31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. 1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. God’s PlanEcc 3:1 For everything there is a season and a time for every activity under heaven: Ecc 3:2 a time to give birth and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted; Ecc 3:3 a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build up; Ecc 3:4 a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance; Ecc 3:5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather stones, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing; Scripture is cyclicEcc 1:9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun. Ecc 1:10 Is there anything about which is said, “Look! This is new!”? It was already here long ago, in the ages long before us. Ecc 1:11 There is no remembrance for former things, and things yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow. Scripture is cyclic – over and over is the story of beginning+choshek+salvationGen 1:1 + Gen 1:2 + Gen 1:3 Gen Chapter 1 + Gen chapter 2 + Gen chapter 3 The First age – repeated in the second age – repeated in the 3rd – etc, etc D"Gen 3:14 -The serpent in the garden was a creature made of matter – a beast of the field – like livestock R" SO you are saying the archon creature made of matter, is just like livestock? What? no intelligence, no thinking or cognitive abilities, what? How does the archon creature like a cow do anything to tempt humans, why even humans are far smarter than apes, let alone livestock.
1- a mouse is more intelligent than a bacteria 2- a dog is more intelligent than a cow 3- a Chimpanzee is more intelligent than a dog 4- Whales and dolphins have a spoken language AND - Gen 3:1 … the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field … Sorry Robert – I’ll stick with scriptureIf you are a Douglas Adams fan – man ranks 4th in intelligence#4 = man #3 = Whales #2 = dolphins And #1 – little white lab mice When the hitchhiker heard this he questioned – “How can these mice be the most intelligent, mans has studied them in mazes for years” And the answer was = and those test results have conditioned / molded / dictated man’s behavior for centuries
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 3:41:30 GMT -5
D" In all of your study – you never understood that the serpent was a physical creature? A Beast of the field?
What does a creature of matter have to do with cherub chata, or any type of angel = NOTHINGR" Yes I understand your view on this Dave. But you did not catch my view. The angels of heaven are made from matter, and are creatures of matter. Proof? Eze 10:8 ¶ And there appeared <ra'ah> in the cherubims <k@ruwb> the form <tabniyth> of a man's <'adam> hand <yad> under their wings <kanaph> "Adam" is a term from matter is it not? D" To force words in a zero polysemy is a bad ideaR In a practical language, I agree Dave. Because languages have idioms, and decay over time. However in God's Edenic ideal language, Hebrew, such a language would have had zero polysemy. Yes I get some polysemy evolved over time, as the Jews sinned, dragging the meaning of word with them. But I look to the ideal meaning first and go from there. Hope you understand this idea. D" Twist away Robert so it does not make senseR" Not being hard Dave, but you cannot say the angels of heaven consist of 10 different creatures? Where is the proof for this? hardly any Hebrew verses on them to say either way, so I err on the side of being conservative. D" and it is ethereal (not of matter)R" DO you have proof the angels (cherubim) are ethereal, whatever that term means? SHow me your proof? D" You jump up and down claiming that archon does not exist in scriptureR" Sure Dave the Greek word "archon" does exist, 36 verses in fact, but not a single verse along the meaning you want... show me your proof? Not using arche, but archon, the correct Greek word? Show me a Hebrew verse for the Greek word archon, what does the LXX do for instance? D" Y ou are playing a Word Game and you don’t even do it fairlyR I am being fair Dave. Where is the verses for this word in Greek "Archon", but don't show me "Arche" that word means "beginning" whereas "Archon" means "ruler". Certainly there are rulers of darkness. Some are called functional descriptors, ie shedim, Jinn etc. But what origin are these archon rulers? I say cherub. You ignore Scripture on this. D" T here are 30 different names for the Creator – which one is God? Why doesn’t this confuse you?R" Dave there are only three names for elohiym in the oldest Book, JOB These are elohiym, not many in Job Eloah, heaps of verses, the name for Father Shadday, heaps of verses, the name for Mother and YHWH, the name for He who exists. A generic term for the masculine members, ie the Father and the Son. D" INVISIBLE TO USR" Hmm? Why are the angels invisible to us? Why are the archon rulers invisible to us? And why is GOD invisible to us? To me this proves the great controversy is about these powers and man is the pawn witness. God limits the test to mankind, by making the force invisible. D" If you remember the story of King Solomon – The Angel Michael gave Solomon a ring to use to call forth the shedim – to cause them to appear
Enoch tells us the bane elohiym had to Change Their Form - to breed the NephilimR" Both of these ideas are weird Dave. I looked up the story of SOlomon and read your passage, Truly weird, no wonder its not in the torah. And as for Enoch, so the creatures can change form, to have sex? Really? How is this possible? Please explain further these two ideas? D" Angels can appear in any form they choose – because they are not biological – they are etherealR" Explain your proof D" No flesh of biology in heaven – we will be changedR" Explain your proof Enoch walked right into heaven, no mention of leaving his biology behind Same happened for Moses, his body went with him to heaven. Jesus human body also in heaven, did not leave the biology behind. You verses our biology is changed, yes, no longer with corrupt DNA. But the biology is still there, are you saying God made a goof with his DNA information? D" Physical creation comes with ENTROPY (corruptibility) R" Proof please. Not logical. You are presenting an imperfect, GOD. D" Scripture is cyclic – over and over is the story of beginning+choshek+salvationR" Absolutely not so. God is absolute and perfect. His creation runs forward forever, without any imperfection. No sin no RA in it every anymore. Such sin never happens a second time. D" AND - Gen 3:1 … the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field … Sorry Robert – I’ll stick with scriptureR" OK I buy your idea the flying serpent was clever, but don't you consider a creature can enter that creature and possess it? Like demons do over human creatures? Can you see this idea? Love your humour with the mice... Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 4, 2021 11:50:13 GMT -5
D"In all of your study – you never understood that the serpent was a physical creature? A Beast of the field? What does a creature of matter have to do with cherub chata, or any type of angel = NOTHINGR" Yes I understand your view on this Dave. But you did not catch my view. The angels of heaven are made from matter, and are creatures of matter.Sorry Robert – God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, angels, or evil spirits – are not biology – they are spiritPossession – how can biology enter biology (Jesus and the legion) Baptism of the Holy Spirit – how can biology enter biology If the Holy Spirit is biology how can it be omnipresent If angels are only biology – why couldn’t Balaam see it If the angels are only biology – why couldn’t Elisha’s servant see them Answer – they are not 3D biology (coporeal) as we are – they are etherial "Adam" is a term from matter is it not?Yes – one earth in the flesh – in the heavens he was known as Adamus the Perfect Race of manD" You jump up and down claiming that archon does not exist in scripture R" Sure Dave the Greek word "archon" does exist, 36 verses in fact, but not a single verse along the meaning you want Done – over – finished – will not talk in circles with you any moreD" You are playing a Word Game and you don’t even do it fairly D" There are 30 different names for the Creator – which one is God? Why doesn’t this confuse you? R" Dave there are only three names for elohiym These are elohiym, Eloah, Shadday, heaps of verses, the name for Mother, and YHWHOnly 3 name with 4 examples Questions – who does an angel of the Lord serve? Who is Jehovah, who id Adonai ? And my question that you did not answer = if these additional different words are identifiers for God – then who are they? In your 3 names for God – with 4 examples - you didn’t even list the word GodHow can you tell the difference between all these different words – unless they all just mean the one and only creatorAre all bad angels demons – no Are all bad angels – evil spirits – no Are all bad angels the devil himself – no Are all bad angels the Beast of Revelations – no Are all bad angels the serpent in the garden – no – (it was a physical creature) Hebrew words shed and satyr – are not angels – they are physical creatures (corporeal)
John, James, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Luke, and many other first century Messianic Jews call them archon A colloquialism for bad guy spirits / demons / satanic messengers
Angels (messengers of any type or form from God to man) Archon (messengers of any type or form from the Beast of Revelation)But – you claim – this is too complicatedYet – you do not seem to be confused about the many different identifiers for GodI say – you just choose not to understand because you want toOnly you stand alone in your satan belief – but then you enjoy challenging other to doubt scriptureD"Twist away Robert so it does not make sense R" Not being hard Dave, but you cannot say the angels of heaven consist of 10 different creatures?5000 years of Judaism say it Every Christian seminary teaches itOnly you stand alone in your satan belief – but then you enjoy challenging other to doubt scriptureWhere is the proof for this? hardly any Hebrew verses on them to say either way, so I err on the side of being conservative.Hardly any verses about shedim – and you tried to deny them for a long timeYet – in the end – they stand exactly as writtenD" INVISIBLE TO US R" Hmm? Why are the angels invisible to us? Why are the archon rulers invisible to us? And why is GOD invisible to us?BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BIOLOGICAL CREATURES OF OUR 3D REALITY / DIMENSIONThey are of a higher dimension – a higher energy – a different frequency The HS was expressed out of God – and became the ether of reality Near God – high energy – high frequency = high heavens = angels serving the Lord Far from God = Entropy = the dullest frequency – the lowest heaven / dimension = our 3D WORLD David Ike describes the archon as entities that are anything but human – that exist just outside out field of vision – they operate at a frequency near ours but above ours (invisible to us) Then David Ike says – it is like having two radio stations close together – each is a separate thing – but at times they can interfere / cause static / blend with one another When they do interfere – the station of the highest energy / frequency will dominate When the archon above us (Principalities / demons) – if we are the lowest dimension – they exist in the dimension / heaven just above man in energy / frequency – so when they interfere with our reality they are the dominate force / frequency To me this proves the great controversy is about these powers and man is the pawn witness. God limits the test to mankind, by making the force invisible.The controversy is between WORLD and Heaven / God The choice is between WORLD and God Seek ye first the Kingdom of God – be not of the WORLDWORLD is temporary / corporeal / entropy and will end in the end Seek God and embrace eternal life with God in his realm / Heavens of high energy near God Or perish (Lake of Fire) as all things of the WORLD do and will - entropy And as for Enoch, so the creatures can change form, to have sex? Really? How is this possible?Because they are biological creatures King Solomon described them – gross creatures – ugly – miss-formed – abortions Shape shifting No biological creature can possibly change form from one creature to another But – these creatures can make you see anything they want you to see In ancient days – appearing as Monsters served a purpose in the manipulation of man In Catholic days (middle ages / dark ages) appearing as demons or beautify angelic beings served a purpose Today – appearing as UFOs / Aliens / or messages from space serves a purpose to manipulate the masses For 1/3rd of the WORLD – Jinn are very real and active – and they serve a purpose to manipulate the masses Today – ask about exorcism and you are laughed at – possession by spirits – who believes this any more You say all these others spirits are biology just like us – how do they get inside us If the Holy Spirit is just biology – how does she come inside us? D" Angels can appear in any form they choose – because they are not biological – they are ethereal D" No flesh of biology in heaven – we will be changed R" Explain your proof Done – over – finished – will not talk in circles with you any more – scripture says we will be changed I believe scriptureEnoch walked right into heaven, no mention of leaving his biology behindHis earthly clothing was exchanged for heavenly clothingDon't have access to my Enoch refernce - but here is an ahl example Zec 3:4 who answered and spoke to those standing before him saying, ‘Remove the filthy garments from him.’ Then to Joshua he said, ‘See, I have removed your iniquity from you and will dress you with fine clothing.’ Zec 3:5 Then I said, ‘Place a clean turban on his head.’ So they put a pure turban on his head and clothed him with garments while the angel of Adonai stood by. Jesus human body also in heaven, did not leave the biology behind.Prove to me that you can appear and disappear – or walk through a wall as 3D physical biologyD" Physical creation comes with ENTROPY (corruptibility) R" Proof please. Not logical. You are presenting an imperfect, GOD.Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 … so that whenever she gave birth he might devour ... Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— God created NATURE and over and over science is in AWE of the intelligent design of the delicate balance we call life – the universe is tuned so we exist – our planet is in the correct orbit around the right type of star so we can exist – the moon is delicately place to stabilize weather patterns on earth –
Over and over science is in AWE of the delicate balance of life – birth / life/ death / and rebirth At the macroscopic level – galaxies and stars At the objective level – all that we see and experience And at the microscopic level – the delicate balance of the interplay of millions of life forms
YES – GOD created –the delicate balance – that indicates the intelligent design It is not evil – it is not flawed – it is the delicate balance – that indicates the intelligent design Creation is amazing and wonderful and all so beautifulOnly you see the world as ugly and created by sin Only you stand alone in your satan belief – but then you enjoy challenging other to doubt scriptureD"Scripture is cyclic – R" Absolutely not so. God is absolute and perfect. His creation runs forward forever, without any imperfection. Such sin never happens a second time.So we are still immortal creature that will never have a mortal death – oops that was changed / reset - and the promise of Christ was given Are we still the lineage of Adam that lives almost 1000 years – oops that was changed reset - and Noah was the Christ Are we still the one people of one language working together for common cause – oops that was changed / reset – and Abraham became the Christ Are we still the 99% that do not have access to YHWY like God’s chosen people Israel – oops that was changed too / rest – and Jesus was the Christ Sorry Robert – I believe scriptureEcclesiastics – written by King SolomonSorry Robert – I believe scriptureD" AND - Gen 3:1 … the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field … Sorry Robert – I’ll stick with scripture R" OK I buy your idea the flying serpent was clever, but don't you consider a creature can enter that creature and possess it? Like demons do over human creatures? Can you see this idea? Already asked you to explain to me how two different creatures of biology only can occupy the same body. Are you saying that the serpent in the Garden was a actually a worm? A parasite? An infection?Love your humour with the mice...The BOOK – Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is an icon of Sci-Fi. It is filled with reflection on what it means for man to think himself the center of anything – especially the universe. Highly recommend the book The MOVIE – was made by the wrong people – instead of making you think the move is geared to make you laugh I hate the movie – it was made into a cartoon for kids
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 5:10:17 GMT -5
D"Sorry Robert – God, Christ, the Holy Spirit, angels, or evil spirits – are not biology – they are spirit Possession – how can biology enter biology (Jesus and the legion) Baptism of the Holy Spirit – how can biology enter biology If the Holy Spirit is biology how can it be omnipresent If angels are only biology – why couldn’t Balaam see it If the angels are only biology – why couldn’t Elisha’s servant see them R" OK Dave let's consider your queries:-
D" Who said GOD is biological? I didn't. You have. R" I was talking about the angels as creatures, they certainly ain't of elohiym origin, so they have to be of matter origin, there is no other possibility? DO you have some other quantum product that is not of matter, but also not of elohiym origin either? My understanding there are only two possibilities, divinity and matter, no other possibilities? There something ethereal has to be also of matter. D" Baptism of the Holy Spirit – how can biology enter biology R" Who says it does? Not me.
D" If the Holy Spirit is biology how can it be omnipresent R" Who says the HS is biology? Not me.
D" If angels are only biology – why couldn’t Balaam see it R" Hmm? That is a question isn't Dave?. Why is that a difficult thing to you with your 10 dimensions theory? Well let's see, Philip was taken from one place suddenly to another place, not something humans can do really. Jesus walked on through walls, not something biology can do normally, but did.
Maybe our biology has functions switched off for a reason, because of sin? The penal gland, the third eye, is one function we have that is not functional any more? Maybe there is more functions of matter, we do not know about, that is also not biological? You mention after Adam sinned, changes happened to them, their perceptions of God dimmed.
D"they are etherial R" What does this term mean Dave? To me it may mean of matter, but not the same matter we humans are made of, with additional functions of matter we humans do not have?
D" in the heavens he was known as Adamus the Perfect Race of man R" Really? Proof please? You know I only live under Sola Scriptoria, the torah known as the common received text, the sacred scrolls of the Bible, GOD wanted most people to read? I understand this to be the most sacred, because GOD wanted this torah to be most widely published. D" Done – over – finished – will not talk in circles with you any more R" See you twist the rulers of darkness (archon) to have a brand new origin, from GOD, from somewhere else, according to writings not found in the sacred sola scriptora, indeed you love the Gnostic writings above the Bible, common received text, and thus you ignore Ezek 28. I am opposed to that Dave, sure the Greek word archon exists, as you showed me, why did you take over 12 months to show me this, Greek word "archon" is actually in the NT Bible, I don't know, but the meaning of archon is simply ruler. Making this ruler come from Yalboath, from GOD and from the HS creating on her own, as your Gnostic writings suggest is another matter. You talk in circles, taking ideas from outside of Scripture to prove your dubious theories. ----------------------
D"who does an angel of the Lord serve? You mean the malak of YHWH? I suggest this is JESUS-YHWH, the messenger of the Father. Never meant to be an angel, poor translation. However Jesus is like a saraph, so may look and function like a cherub does, who is also a saraph, this term means burning, and refers to the glory of love as a fire. So nothing really wrong with saying Jesus functioned as an angelic saraph in the OT times.
D"Who is Jehovah, who id Adonai ?
R" Some verses show Father-YHWH some show Jesus-YHWH. In the words YHWH are two masculine letters, YH is the Father and the WH is Jesus, they are functionally one, a compound unity if you will. D" additional different words are identifiers for God R" Yes additional functional descriptors, or the various functions of the heavenly family.
D" you didn’t even list the word God R" There is no word for "God" in Hebrew. "AL" is the Strong Authority, is the closest to God.
"ALAH" is the Provider in the family, often the Father in heaven "ALAHFM" is the spelling of elohiym, the Father's powers flows in the family context.
The closest meaning to a singular numerical Being called GOD would have to be "EL" or "AL".
D" How can you tell the difference between all these different words – unless they all just mean the one and only creator R" By the way they are composed of the ancient Hebrew letters. Jeff Benner is great for this view, Please study his works.
D" John, James, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Luke, and many other first century Messianic Jews call them archon R" I don't have a problem with you calling them the "rulers of darkness", but you didn't like the idea of these rulers ruling over mankind, in promoting sinning. Nevertheless these rulers of darkness or "archon" do exist.
What creature of matter are these archons? Simple. Ezekiel says they are fallen angels, or cherub.
I only have tried to correct the origin of these rulers of darkness. They are fallen angels. You dislike this idea, because primarily it's not a Jewish idea. And you trust the Jews to have the correct doctrines in every aspect of God's truth. I deeply respect the Jews, but rulers of darkness will try to hide the truth, even from all people, including the Jews. So whom do I trust. The Jewish prophets, inspired by GOD, so I trust the words of God, written by Hebrew Jews, in Hebrew words. All scripture is sacred and holy, 2Ti 3:16 .
D" Only you stand alone in your satan belief R" I doubt this Dave? Most religions of the world have Satan, as a power that opposes GOD. I will ask my Aboriginal friend what they say of the spirits, and get back to you.
D"5000 years of Judaism say it Every Christian seminary teaches it R" Wow, so GOD created ten different creatures with ten different functions, all from heaven? Well where are the many verses along this idea?
Just because the Jews have been practicing for 5000 years doesn't make them right.
Ancient Chinese has an unbroken record of religion for longer Dave, and they follow ancient Hebrew better than modern Hebrew does. Most Jews deny Moses wrote ancient Hebrew anyway.
D" Hardly any verses about shedim – and you tried to deny them for a long time Yet – in the end – they stand exactly as written R" Yep hardly any verses about cherubs sinning too, but you denied them a long time ago too. ------------------------
D" The HS was expressed out of God – and became the ether of reality R" NO. NO Dave, not out of God.
OK where or who is the Shadday Dave?
The Medium (HS) I agree is /became the ether of reality, and came out of the Shadday.
Job 33:4 The Spirit <ruwach> of God <'el> hath made <`asah> me, and the breath <n@shamah> of the Almighty <Shadday> hath given me life <chayah>.
Who or what is the SHADDAY Dave, out of GOD? no
You suppose the Shadday is an expression of the ELOAH? NO. Study the Bible carefully, these two words are clearly different and separate, as similes of parents.
Pr 1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Just as the moral law is clearly separate and distinct from the ceremonial law.
But Jews blend them together don't they Dave, ? They have only 613, not a royal 10, as I see them.
D" David Ike describes the archon as entities that are anything but human R" Icke uses only the terms "entitities" and once he used the term "Jinn". Never once used the term "archon" Dave. But I agree these "entities" are rulers of darkness, as the Greek word "archon" suggests. But you present a different origin than Scripture teaches.
D" The controversy is between WORLD and Heaven / God R" Where is the Being in the word WORLD , Dave? The WORLD did not SIN, a BEING sinned. Come on, stop hiding the fact that some being, with free will chose to sin.
In fact the Scripture says mischief as the KJV says, happened. Some being caused mischief. So in the garden the WORLD spoke to Eve. Come on Dave, read the scripture correctly.
D" The choice is between WORLD and God R" you are foolish... with this idea...
1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. BAAL, and LAAB. BAL means the home authority that means nothing to God LAB means the authority in the home, that means all to GOD.
These "powers" are BEINGS, demanding your loyalty. Not aspects of the world Dave.
Not some nebulous world, a piece of turf. But intelligent beings.
D" Because they are biological creatures R" Come on Dave, make some science to me, explain how the DNA of one animal changes its code so as to become compatable to other DNA and thus create a successful union of gametes.
Not possible, no example of this rubbish.
Because the DNA code comes from divinity, not biology, hence a creature cannot do this. Only GOD could using His creative powers.
D" Shape shifting R" You have been watching too many movies Dave. Shape shifting refers to a medium changing shape, but having sex and making offspring is a different theme, Dave.
D"You say all these others spirits are biology just like us – how do they get inside us. R" I suppose they possess the mind and enter the control centre of the mind, taking over your functions.
D" If the Holy Spirit is just biology R" The HS is not biology, and functions as a medium for the powers of GOD to flow through the HS.
D" Scripture says we will be changed I believe scripture R" Yes we are changed, our corrupt DNA is returned to its fullest sinless condition. Enoch in heaven with body,
Moses in heaven with body
Jesus in heaven with body of human
I believe in Scripture too.
D"His earthly clothing was exchanged for heavenly clothing R" Yes, remove the old corrupt DNA, and replace it with sinless DNA covering. D" Prove to me that you can appear and disappear – or walk through a wall as 3D physical biology R" jesus did. Is that not proof enough for you?
Jesus even ate fish with them?
Thomas touched his body wounded?
D" Over and over science is in AWE of the delicate balance of life – birth / life/ death / and rebirth R" Yes, finely tuned, yes, to sustain the curse of SIN.
Our universe is wearing out, running down because of the curse of SIN, hence finely tuned to last a long time, but no more. DO you want verses for these ideas?
D" It is not evil – it is not flawed – it is the delicate balance R" Agreed. even snow, which is an example of RA, comes with beauty. SO GOD creates RA, despite the chaos of sin, is still lovely. We live in the delicate balance of SIN and GOD. Snow is an example of this RA, the curse of Sin.
D"Only you see the world as ugly and created by sin R" I never said that, snow is RA and it's beautiful?
D"D"Scripture is cyclic – R" The lion King movie Dave, the great circle of life? No this is a lie.
God's time moves forward, not in circles.
Time repeats itself in local circles, yes, our Bible repeats figures and types yes, but the earth is a circle, and around the Mt Sinai, people circled at least twice, but the journey with the sun is a forward journey. The Sun is on a forward path too, the earth is a circle path. We are all moving forward, red shift of space, Not a circle unless you view earth time locally.
D" Already asked you to explain to me how two different creatures of biology only can occupy the same body.
R" The creature over powers the mind of the other creature. Take over the brain centre.
Shalom my friend, Enjoy your day with God. And your summer days.
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Post by Dave on Aug 5, 2021 8:02:57 GMT -5
D" Who said GOD is biological? I didn't. You have. R" I was talking about the angels as creatures, they certainly ain't of elohiym originOH – If the angels were not created by God =who made thems – your satan?D" Who said GOD is biological? I didn't. You have. R" jesus Is that not proof enough for you?Jesus functioned as an angelic saraph in the OT times.So Christ is not part of the Trinity / Godhead - your Christ is just a biological angelD"they are etherial R" What does this term mean Dave? If you will give me your address – I will send you the money so you can buy a dictionary. It is hard to be a good honest student without a good dictionary. You know I only live under The Roman Sola Scriptoria, the torah known as the common received text by Rome, the sacred scrolls of the Bible, GOD Rome wanted most people to read? I understand this to be the most sacred, because GOD Rome wanted this torah to be most widely published. There are 46 other text listed within scripotyre as credible sources credible information The Jews respect it all – you say it is all false because Rome says so You know I only live under The Roman Sola Scriptoria, the torah known as the common received text by Rome, and interptreted for you by Ellen White the wife of an edlder of a failed prophesy groupDon't forget the input by Walter Veith who is a liar about JudaismOr Don Patton - who you think is Mr correct science - yet are unwilling to defend his wordsThis does seem to be contradictory doesn’t it? If Catholic Christianity is the correct Christianity, why isn’t all Christianity just Catholic? D" Done – over – finished – will not talk in circles with you any more R" See you twist the rulers of darkness (archon) to have a brand new origin, from GODI quote Rev 12 – I believe scripture Why do you work so hard to defend your satan religion---------------------- D"who does an angel of the Lord serve? You mean the malak of YHWH? I suggest this is JESUS-YHWH, the messenger of the Father.I am SO CONFUSED – who is father – who is Jesus-YHWY – NOT ON YOUR LISTD" There are 30 different names for the Creator – which one is God? Why doesn’t this confuse you? R" Dave there are only three names for elohiym in the oldest Book, JOB These are elohiym, not many in Job Eloah, heaps of verses, the name for Father Shadday, heaps of verses, the name for Mother D" you didn’t even list the word God R" There is no word for "God" in Hebrew.OH – but you sure know who THE SATAN isI only have tried to correct the origin of these rulers of darkness. They are fallen angels. You dislike this idea, because primarily it's not a Jewish idea. Nor is it consistent with the agl – Rev 12:3 the Beast just appeared – fully formed in a pluralityI am sorry if you do not understand – you will just have to borrow a dictionary for the word plurality And you trust the Jews to have the correct doctrines in every aspect of God's truth. Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. All scripture is sacred and holy, 2Ti 3:16 .Too bad you do not accept / believe scriptureYou rewrite this verse so it means something completely different You rewrite this verse to say – Only Roman approved scripture is sacred and holyAND – You are so very proud of it – only Rome – only KJVD"5000 years of Judaism say it Every Christian seminary teaches it R" Wow, so GOD created ten different creatures with ten different functions, all from heaven? Well where are the many verses along this idea? Already answered – over a year agoJust because the Jews have been practicing for 5000 years doesn't make them right.How could the salvation of all mankind – Jesus Christ – come from a false theology?
Ancient Chinese has an unbroken record of religion for longer Dave, and they follow ancient Hebrew better than modern Hebrew does. Most Jews deny Moses wrote ancient Hebrew anyway. If you were a true student of the word at depth (linguistics) you could see for yourself that it is composed by more than one authorD" The HS was expressed out of God – and became the ether of reality R" NO. NO Dave, not out of God. The Medium (HS) I agree is /became the ether of reality, and came out of the Shadday.Deny Christianity all you want – play word games to keep from the truth – just focuse upon satanJob 33:4 The Spirit <ruwach> of God <'el> hath made <`asah> me,You deny spirit – you deny that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God You force the HS to be a separate person of your pantheon of 3 or more godsThe Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit - and you deny that the Holy Spirit creates - immpossible you sayWho or what is the SHADDAY Dave, out of GOD? NoThe Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God – not another god of your pantheonD" David Ike describes the archon as entities that are anything but human R" Icke uses only the terms "entitities" and once he used the term "Jinn". Never once used the term "archon" Dave. Word game – denial – hide the truth – defend your satan godCome on, stop hiding the fact that some being, with free will chose to sin.YES – ABSOLUTLEY Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. I believe scripture – not your Roman fallen angel version So in the garden the WORLD spoke to Eve. Come on Dave, read the scripture correctly.YES – the Beast was cast to the WORLD – into the WORLD – physical creation is the Kingdom of the archon – the serpent was a physical / biological creature of the BEASTD" The choice is between WORLD and God R" you are foolish... with this idea...
1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1Jn 2:16 For everything in the world—the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, and the boasting of life—is not from the Father but from the world. 1Jn 2:17 The world is passing away along with its desire, but the one who does the will of God abides forever. Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Jas 4:4 You adulteresses! Don’t you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. D" The choice is between WORLD and God R" you are foolish... with this idea...One of us replaces these scriptures with satan worshipD"You say all these others spirits are biology just like us – how do they get inside us. R" I suppose they possess the mind and enter the control centre of the mind, taking over your functions. How does a different biological creature control the center of the mind of its host? So does your satan come inside of us like a parasite / a worm / an infection You didn’t answer
D" Prove to me that you can appear and disappear – or walk through a wall as 3D physical biology R" jesus did. Is that not proof enough for you? After his death – accretion into heaven – and resurrection Where are your examples before he was changed?D" Over and over science is in AWE of the delicate balance of life – birth / life/ death / and rebirth R" Yes, finely tuned, yes, to sustain the curse of SIN.Scripture says – the intelligent design proves the Creator – praise GodYou say – God tried to make something tov – but couldn’t ( your first disrespect)Then you say – your satan redefined his own role within creation (2nd disrespect) – became the god of evil (3rd disrespect) – and change all of God’s tov creation into a flawed creation (4th disrespect) and you say it is all the handiwork of satan – praise satanD"D"Scripture is cyclic – R No this is a lie.Deny scripture at your own peril Prove to me that Eve never ate the fruit and sin never entered the world - reset Prove to me that man is still immortal - reset Prove to me that man still lives 1000 years - reset Prove to me that man was not stopped from working in common cause - reset Prove to me that we all speak the same language - reset Prove to me that YHWY is only for the Jews - reset So - in your prescious soloa scripturum - you deny the Book of Job - and now the Book of Ecceastices Just how much of your prescious scripture is just made up stuff?
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