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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 13:56:07 GMT -5
D" Here is part of scripture you simple miss Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this judgment, You claim everyone just goes to the grave to await the First Resurrection – then the Judgment Paul suggest that we are judged after deathR" We are judged right after we die, once we are resurrected. You say it is the spirit that is judged outside of the body, when we die, straight away after mortal death. If that is so, why does the Lord go down to earth to get the body of Moses? Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Seems to me that the spirit of man always lives in the body as well?? And if the soul is straight away living after the body dies, why does Scripture say David is still in the grave? Ac 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. {let me: or, I may} Ac 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,So something wrong with your theory...it is false.... D" Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon.R" This is a complete lie, I am surprised you are steeped in deception, my friend with Gnostic writings. D" And after it comes out of (the body), it is handed over to the authorities, who came into being through the archon, and they bind it with chains and cast it into prison, and consort with it until it is liberated from the forgetfulness and acquires knowledge. And if thus it becomes perfect, it is saved." I love this verse – for those who forgot ...R" Hmm? Not in harmony with the torah Dave... The spirit does not leave the body to be handed over for judgement in the spirit world, for discipline and torment. D" After our mortal death were are judgedR" Correct , but not straight away. many sleep first. D" Ezk 28 Roman Christendom – EDITS what you are allowed to read and believeR" I thought Ezekiel wrote Ezekiel 28, explain to me how the Rome Edit thing changed the Hebrew? D" In your view – who keeps the Books – and who opens the Book to read out the names? In Lev 16 – who illuminates the sin? – Just because it is not listed does not mean no one knew!R" Is that an answer? Angels record sins they see humans do, yes. Proof angels have free will, they need to see the sinning affects themselves too. God sees sins we do in our minds, which no creature, except GOD sees.. Our DNA records sinning epi-genetically, in chemical words, so no need for book records either. God remembers all the things we do before we were even born. No need for creature help. The judgement is offered for other reasons, to those with free will to choose to sin, or not choose. D" And Ezk 28 is about man – King Tyre R " And I suppose my poem to my grandparents was about a dam holding back the water of a river. Nothing about the humans is mentioned. Can't you read similes in poetry Dave? I am not taking away the simile of Ezek 28 about man, it's also real, I am also adding the similes of the cherub too, that is what a poetry simile allows. R" When you define Satan, the angel, as a prosecutor obeying GOD, who tempts man to sin, is this a functional role of a prosecutor?D" This is the error of not paying attention to scripture Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutor in service to the Lord Chaldean satanas – is of the Beast of Rev 12R" What a tragic mistake you make. In Job the only Satan angel mentioned is the hey-satan-angel correct? not your Satanas being of archon origin. And this so called prosecutor influences humans to kill all of JOb's children and assets.... so this is NOT the role of a prosecutor... Some glide over this error "I quote" "blog.dianoigo.com/2015/02/satan-prosecutor.html Satan is portrayed here as an overzealous prosecutor who engages in what would be called ‘entrapment’ in a modern legal context. He induces people to sin so that he might prosecute them (and, having won his case, he also plays the role of executioner) ... end quote" I show it to you because I am honest in my reading.... but its an error, a prosecutor for the LORD must also be sinless in showing others their sin, but this is NOT the case of this angel in JOB. Such an angel sins getting Job to feel troubles.D" “ About the author I am a Canadian residing in Cape Town, South Africa. I was received into the Roman Catholic Church at the 2017 Easter Vigil, having previously been a Baptist and, before that, a Christadelphian.”
Thank you for making my point No one believed in Catholic satan until Rome invented himR" Yes while seeing your view, does not present your view, does he? R Ask yourself why would a creature want humans to sin?D" From with your Fallen Angel bias – I understand your question – but do not think it is the right questionR I think it is, why does this angel want humans to sin? And even sins himself so humans also sin? Why is that? R Ask yourself why would a creature want humans to sin?D" From with your Fallen Angel bias – I understand your question – but do not think it is the right question SIN? – Is it a sin – to love football – Answer – no – Jesus said go forth and enjoy God’s creation – appreciate the beauty What if football consume you to the point you have no time to commune with the HS You say – the football fan misses OK – misses what I say misses the chance to know the Lord – misses a chance to remember his commission Jer 1:5 – misses a chance to repent – all of them misses – but what is the sin
R" Anything that stops you from supporting the Lord Jesus with his words in your mind, is a sin of missing the powers of Jesus flowing through you. I am gulity of such missing myself, it is hard to remember the words of Jesus every second of the day in our mind, this is called amanuah, (faith). See Romans for this verse. Ro 14:23 ..: f or whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(KJV)D" – all of them misses – but what is the sin Not obeying the commandment - Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before MeR" Yes, No saviour but me, Hosea 13 R Ask yourself why would a creature want humans to sin?D" From with your Fallen Angel bias – I understand your question – but do not think it is the right questionR" Hmm? Why would an angel want humans to sin, to miss the words of Jesus unto salvation? D" What of – two men placing dogs in pit to fight Do the men want the dogs to sin?
R" The two men are already sinning placing two animals in a pit to render cruel acts to them. D" YES – because they are missing the commandments of the one true God
Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. R" You are speaking SELF empowered righteousness...no... Read the salvation from Jesus in the Scroll of Jesus in the OT: Yashuah 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God (Yashuah-YHWH) from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Humans are to support Jesus with His words of salvation, the other pagan forces are all stopping this process. D" I say show me the commandmentR" Not a commandment per se" but supporting salvation via our faith in His words. D" Some people actually believe in vegetarian sharks because sin was not yet introduced into the WORLD to man Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.R" Dave this says sin-offering came into the world and death through sin-offering, because one man sinned. Jesus offered this law of sin-offering, came in later, when the man actually sinned. D" How can many – if not any – of God’s creatures can grow and die to be reborn in the cycle of life without causing harmR" They were all herbivoers and did not die. D" A virus – needs to destroy / kill its host to multiplyR" That is an assumption Dave, maybe viruses were able to live without destroying the host, and actually recharged the immune system from time to time. D" I say – show me the commandment for animals – other than Be fruitful and multiplyR" Such a command does not need to include to live and die, but live and multiply. D" To make my answer plain and clear The mission of the archon is NOT to make you sin – or make you turn evil – or even to hate God The mission of the archon – is the trap you / snare you / keep you focused in this WORLD
Many many altruistic people – have done good deeds all their lives Shindlers List – doctors dedicated to saving lives – philanthropic people that gave away millions – or even gave it all away – all good deeds
R" That is a ridiculous thing to say Dave. Archons never sin, while they only trap humans in their world, how nice and clever these designed RA creatures of GOD are. So when the archon kills and murders people in say a car accident, after getting the drunk to drink too much, OH this is not the archon sinning, but only the human sinning. What a cop out. The only creature who can sin, according to you is man. D" philanthropic people that gave away millions – or even gave it all away – all good deedsR" yes, but good deeds means nothing to the Lord. He wants your choice to choose Him, not your BAAL powers of SELF, doing good deeds. God wishes to do good deeds of His powers through you, not YOU using SELF to do good deeds for Him. Without me, Jesus says, ye can do nothing. Notice love only works in this way, first a provider, than the responder. SELF empowered loving is nothing to God. D" AND ALL OF IT A DISTRACTION IN THIS WORLD ... R" even a distraction is a SIN Dave, Ro 14:23 ..: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.(KJV) D" How am I to love my fellow man like Jesus Christ did – I have to WITNESS to God’s Glory R" Hmm? No you have to allow GOD flow in you, so that GOD witnesses to others through you, so my mind supports His words, I allow His light shine through me. I allow God's Glory to be a WITNESS. D" I am – ending / stopping your ability to RepentR" Yes, this is no wounding, ratsach, yes, D" In Zec 3 – satan the prosecutor is “accusing the brethren”R" Wow, an oxymoron posted here. A sinless prosecutor cannot simultaneously also be an accuser of the brethren. But here you also blend the two types of satan together, the angelic satan in Job to the Satanas in the NT, the accuser of the brethren. I thought your JOB is a angel Satan, and the NT is a Satanas archon? Than stop blending the terms together. To me, they are the same fallen angel. AN accuser is never a prosecutor. A prosecutor is a lawyer who investigates sin you do to find fault with your pardon. An accuser is a person who watches your sinning, while he is also sinning to make you sin also, so that your sinning excludes you from heaven, so the accuser's kingdom does not fall, because of your witness against the accuser. D" Be not of the flesh – because flesh is not getting inR" Oh so GOD is a terrible creator of matter? No, it's the fallen flesh that is not getting in, the DNA corrupted by errors. Caused by RA, a fruit of SIN. And it's not the flesh that is BAD, or poorly designed, it's the DIVINE INFORMATION that is lost, is why fallen flesh is not getting in. The DNA contains the DIVINE information of life, it is the WORDS of life that are lost, from RA and SIN, not the vessels of matter that allow the words to exist. You are saying the matter is bad. No. It's the lost words that are bad. Restore the words, and the flesh is perfect again. The Hebrew has a word for genetics, it is called aven. D" Jesus says – Seek ye first the Kingdom of heaven – and no great love has a man than to lay his life down for anotherR Nice story Dave, but what about the verse you quoted, where in the former torah does this verse come from? Only here Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,Jesus laid does his life because of mischief was done to the human race. What mischief? And who did this mischief? Only in the latter torah is this teaching truly made known, and since Jews traditionally do not read the latter torah, they never fully understand the form torah of Jesus, the malak for elohiym power. Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.The Father YHWH says, beware of HIM, for my name is in HIM. Only He will pardon your transgressions. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 22, 2021 16:04:48 GMT -5
D" Here is part of scripture you simple miss Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this judgment, You claim everyone just goes to the grave to await the First Resurrection – then the Judgment Paul suggest that we are judged after death R" We are judged right after we die, once we are resurrected.
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and people sat upon them—those to whom authority to judge was given. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Yeshua and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor had they received his mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with the Messiah for a thousand years. Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 How fortunate and holy is the one who has a share in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no authority, but they shall be kohanim of God and the Messiah, and they shall reign with Him for a thousand years.
Your statement denies the FACT of FIRST FRUITS – just an SDA oversight Your statement implies that everyone dead raises and rule with the Messiah Do you really see – Hitler or Stalin or The Marque de Sole reigning with the Messiah Where in your theology is time for proportional Punishment? – To each man his due Or are you saying that maximum time in proportional punishment = 1000 years?
You say it is the spirit that is judged outside of the body, when we die, straight away after mortal death. YEP – you are either passed into heaven with a Divine Pardon / Salivation in Christ Or – Proportional Punishment
If that is so, why does the Lord go down to earth to get the body of Moses? Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Seems to me that the spirit of man always lives in the body as well??
First you say – there is no discussion about your locality in the afterlife Then you present this – satan wanting to keep Moses But the Lord rebuke thee Divine intervention / pardon / salvation Too bad as a Christian you don’t see this Or its parallel to Zec 3
And if the soul is straight away living after the body dies, why does Scripture say David is still in the grave? Define GRAVE – then I will answer Hades is the land of the unseen GRAVE – Where do you say David is
D" Ezk 28 Roman Christendom – EDITS what you are allowed to read and believe R" I thought Ezekiel wrote Ezekiel 28, explain to me how the Rome Edit thing changed the Hebrew? Ezk 28 is about The King of Tyre / a man / any man / every man / Adam / mankind Then Rome changed it into satan the god of evil who is out to rule your thoughts and make you an disciple of evil – and together you all can hate God and oppose Him from the Kingdom of hell where satan rules as a red suited guy with a pointy tail and pitchfork – in a spiritual kingdom of his own
D" In your view – who keeps the Books – and who opens the Book to read out the names? In Lev 16 – who illuminates the sin? – Just because it is not listed does not mean no one knew! R" Is that an answer? First you say – God needs no help But they refuse to answer why God has help? Courious
Angels record sins they see humans do, yes. The Job od Hebrew satan – the prosecutor – thank you for admitting it
R"When you define Satan, the angel, as a prosecutor obeying GOD, who tempts man to sin, is this a functional role of a prosecutor? D" This is the error of not paying attention to scripture Hebrew satan is the heavenly prosecutor in service to the Lord Chaldean satanas – is of the Beast of Rev 12 R" What a tragic mistake you make.
So you deny that Chaldean origin satanas has any relationship with the Beast of Revelation Why do you work so hard to hide the identity of our real struggle?
In Job the only Satan angel mentioned is the hey-satan-angel correct? not your Satanas being of archon origin. You are Correct – Hebrew satan – NOT Chaldean satanas
And this so called prosecutor influences humans to kill all of JOb's children and assets.... so this is NOT the role of a prosecutor... Again – Hebrew satan never killed anyone – man did
Some glide over this error "I quote" "blog.dianoigo.com/2015/02/satan-prosecutor.html Satan is portrayed here as an overzealous prosecutor who engages in what would be called ‘entrapment’ in a modern legal context. He induces people to sin so that he might prosecute them (and, having won his case, he also plays the role of executioner) ... end quote"
I show it to you because I am honest in my reading.... but its an error, a prosecutor for the LORD must also be sinless in showing others their sin, but this is NOT the case of this angel in JOB. Such an angel sins getting Job to feel troubles.
Some glide over this error "I quote" D" “About the author ""I am a ... Roman catholic" Thank you for making my point No one believed in Catholic satan until Rome invented him R" Yes while seeing your view, does not present your view, does he? Correct – this Roman Catholic presents the Catholic view not the Jewish or Gnostic view I absolutely Agree - The idea of fallen Angels is 100% Catholic Again - Thank you for making my point
D" Some people actually believe in vegetarian sharks because sin was not yet introduced into the WORLD to man Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. R" Dave this says sin-offering came into the world and death through sin-offering, because one man sinned. Jesus offered this law of sin-offering, came in later, when the man actually sinned. And I say – Rome 5:12 is all about man – even says it is about man – So - show me the commandment to the animals not to be fruitful and multiply
D" To make my answer plain and clear The mission of the archon is NOT to make you sin – or make you turn evil – or even to hate God The mission of the archon – is the trap you / snare you / keep you focused in this WORLD
R" That is a ridiculous thing to say Dave. Archons never sin, Show me the commandment for the arhon Show me the commandments for the angels If you say the 10 Commandments – then why to angels of the Lord KILL Why does God Kill
Now show me the commandment for the cows - were they sinning as they stampeded and killed the rancher – that’s sinful according to you Show me the commandments for the bacteria – they kill – that is sinful according to you Or the fish and the food chain? – also sinful according to you
The archon sidetrack man – the sin is all man’s choice Stop trying to blame it on your satan Take responsibility for own soul and your own choices – I imagine that is difficult when you deny its existence
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 2:04:10 GMT -5
D" So you deny that Chaldean origin satanas has any relationship with the Beast of RevelationR" OK show me a text in the OT using the term in Hebrew for this Greek Satanas? There isn't any Dave, that is my point, it's not there because your idea is a myth. D" You are Correct – Hebrew satan – NOT Chaldean satanasAnd this so called prosecutor influences humans to kill all of JOb's children and assets.... so this is NOT the role of a prosecutor... Again – Hebrew satan never killed anyone – man didR" Than you write sentences to agree with me, yet you also cling to your view. So if there is no Chaldean satanas mentioned in the Hebrew OT, only Satan, so your view doesn't exist. Are you agreeing with me a prosecutor is NOT supposed to SIN himself, so helping the victim SIN, than prosecute the victim, is not the role of a prosecutor... But than you say your good angel satan did not kill Job's family assets, the humans did..... I had to laugh Dave, what a joke. Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. What powers Dave? Power to be nice and just prosecute? Job was living nicely and the LORD removes his hedge as the angel requested. Than what happens? Humans suddenly notice? I doubt it. The angel tricks subjects under his power to move immediately upon Job's family assets. Its called Dave an accessory to the murder. I suppose you think the angel did not sin in removing Job's family assets. The sinless prosecutor? Really Dave. ----------------------------------- D" No one believed in Catholic satan until Rome invented himR" Let's try to study the Ancient Chinese religion, 700 years before Hebrew writings even existed under Abraham. These people had knowledge of devil, as a temptor, and words like greed or covet as words of RA. www.bibleprobe.com/chinese.htmDave it's hard looking over Ancient CHinese stuff, not there. Same problem with any old religion, would you believe the writings anyhow? I doubt it? ------------------------- D" Why does God KillR" I am not convinced GOD kills, whatever you mean by that term. The command no ratsach, refers to "no wounding others", and GOD allows all humans the opportunity to seek HIM for salvation. Does not GOD also have the right to remove the breath of life, which is a gift from GOD to begin with. D" Now show me the commandment for the cows - were they sinning as they stampeded and killed the rancher – that’s sinful according to youR" Cow are under natural laws of instinct, yet subject to RA, as a result of Man sinning and GOD cursing the natural perfection under Creation. Since sin is defined as transgression of moral law, cows do not technically sin, as they are not held accountable for their imperfection (or RA they do), but mankind is held accountable. D" The archon sidetrack man – R" If you make the archon into simply a dumb animal like a cow , than yes archons cannot sin. However I am not convinced of your views at all:- (1) Archons as a creature are not found in Scripture, the term "arche" does not mean references to some creatures called archons. (2) Your references to these "Arche" creatures are shown in Jude to be "malak" angelic creatures, or to give these messengers a matter-kind classification, these creatures are cherub, or angel kinds of matter. You make many classes of angelic kinds, but Scripture does not do that, yes many functional descriptors of angels, but only one class of creature, the cherub matter kind. The term "arche" refers to "malak" in heaven, which we assume from OT references to be the "cherub" matter kinds, ie angels. Hence "Arche" refers to "cherub". "Arche" is not a reference to creatures, it's a reference to the beginning of time, the beginning of place, or the beginning of something. D" Stop trying to blame it on your satanR" I do NOT blame Satan for sinning. Mankind chooses to SIN using the powers of SELF. However Satan is the origin of sin, the catalyst for SIN, and the agency for powers of SIN. The sinning angels with Satan, do influence humans to SIN, which nobody denies. Demon possession is a popular example of this. D" Take responsibility for own soul and your own choices – I imagine that is difficult when you deny its existenceR" There is no need to mock Dave. I certainly do believe in the term soul. And I also believe in free will and choices we humans make. Sin is a human choice to be missing God's power in our lives. Most humans sin because they love to sin. We have our pet sins, we love to do. Overcoming such pet sins, begins with Jesus and our supporting Jesus words, so we learn to hate sin as much as Jesus hates sin. The temptor is just a creature who tempts us humans to sin. Why tempt humans to sin? To negate the salvation process with Jesus. Why would a creature or millions of creatures want humans to negate the salvation process with Jesus? Because if humans continue sinning with the millions of angels also sinning, the kingdom of this world, continues to exist. The Devil and Satan and his sinning angels do not want their kingdom to end. However they read Scripture and know their time is short, hence they prowl humans like a roaring lion. Hab 1:8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat. In fact the demon are eating humans in the end of time like vulture eat flesh. This is poetry simile Dave, both pictures are valid, but both pictures happen just before Jesus comes to rescue the faithful. You say " Take responsibility for own soul and your own choices " yes. We all need to support Jesus with His words of power, and allow Jesus to rescue us daily from this world, and thus free us from all known sinning we do. 1Co 3:1 ¶ And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. Paul begins speaking in poetry similes.... the spiritual and the carnal.... 1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: Another simile, milk and meat What is the similes of spiritual milk and spiritual meat? What is the similes of carnal milk and carnal meat? 1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. Another simile, now we have plants growing compared to humans growing. 1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. Another simile, this time working on building a building. 1Co 3:11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ Another simile, foundations in a building, foundation for the spiritual. 1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Another simile, this time comparing GOD's love as a fire. 1Co 3:16 ¶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Another simile, this time the temple of GOD is the body of the human being. 1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; What does this simile mean? 1Co 3:18 ¶ Let no man deceive himself. My understanding of these similes, the spirit and the worldly, are references to the Creation and Recreation of the body, the temple of the HS of GOD. Natural laws and health laws govern the worldly building of the HS of GOD in which GOD dwells in you. Just as the moral laws govern the love within and without the man. Here is a natural law, from the OT De 14:21 Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: This is a natural principle, that one cannot eat or assimilate anything into the body that causes the body to suffer dysfunction. SO health laws are as important as moral laws, such things causes the temple of the HS not to function within you as perfectly as it could. Therefore " Take responsibility for own soul and your own choices " yes. We all need to support Jesus with His words of power, and allow Jesus to rescue us daily from this world, and thus free us from all known sinning. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 24, 2021 5:21:25 GMT -5
D"So you deny that Chaldean origin satanas has any relationship with the Beast of Revelation R" OK show me a text in the OT using the term in Hebrew for this Greek Satanas? There isn't any Dave, that is my point, it's not there because your idea is a myth. You are in such denial First you preach Rev 12:7 – the Beast, the devil, the serpent, and Chaldean satanas are cast out of heaven into the earth Now you deny that they existed during the ahl
You are just playing a word game
Who are the 33, other gods of the ahl? Who are the shedim? Who is Lillith? If the serpent did not exist in the garden – who deceived Eve? Too bad you think the ahl full of lies about imaginary creatures Just how much of your ahl is myth – not real – just imaginary – made up stuff as you call it
Num 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn. Is this just more ahl myth
So if there is no Chaldean satanas mentioned in the Hebrew OT, Who are the 33 other gods of the ahl, the shedim. Lillith, the serpent of Eden Dan 10 - who is the prince of Persia? - just more ahl myth?
You are just playing a word game
You call yourself a Christian - yet you think scriptute is a fairy tale
But than you say your good angel satan did not kill Job's family assets, the humans did..... I had to laugh Dave, what a joke. Its called Dave an accessory to the murder. And God ordered the hit – therefore your god is also an accessory to murder
D" Why does God Kill R" I am not convinced GOD kills, whatever you mean by that term. You are just playing a word game
So things like Sodom and Gomorrah or the Flood of Noah – or the Great White Throne Judgment are also myth? Just how much of the ahl or agl must be myth for your doctrine to be true
D" Now show me the commandment for the cows - were they sinning as they stampeded and killed the rancher – that’s sinful according to you R" Cow are under natural laws of instinct,
You are just playing a word game
OK – show me those commandment – what does a cow have to do to sin? You say sharks sin by eating so they can be fruitful and multiply So do sharks or cows also go to hell be be with your satan god when they die?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 15:44:48 GMT -5
Dave I have nothing further to say on this topic of yours.
You created a thread on the UN, the Bio Security Act and this so called global pandemic. Let's discuss this thread and what is means to mankind and God calling mankind to repent and accept salvation.
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Post by Dave on Jul 24, 2021 18:39:56 GMT -5
Dave I have nothing further to say on this topic of yours. You created a thread on the UN, the Bio Security Act and this so called global pandemic. Let's discuss this thread and what is means to mankind and God calling mankind to repent and accept salvation. Easy and already answered AND YOU AND I COME FULL CIRCLE00:35 - - obvious conclusion – This world is controlled by very few people behind the people behind the people we think are in power. 28:10 – just outside visible light – there are ENTITIES that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons. 29:15 – these entities go by different names – some people call them the serpent race, some people call them demonic, Islam calls them Jinn – Names don’t matter they are all the same entities - archonPlease watch this video – I gain strength from it as a Gnostic Christian You will never hear a better secular explanation of why the unseen world is real and alive. Gnostic Cosmology demands that all of creation points to The Creator 6:10 Bloodline families 7:00 – 16:45-ish is all about culling the population through - Vaccines – after working 28 yrs in medicine, I don’t disagree with anything he says – but, I now see an updated version 13:26 The Archon treat us like cattle – no empathy 13:49 – two types of Mass Mind Manipulation 16:59 – how the Archon are infused into society 20:56 – the targeting of Family Units 23:50 – eugenics 25:15 - Archon manipulative breeding of the population At the end of his age – only Noah remained pure25:50 – only presenting information – it either rings true or not Gen 6 27:20 – Human perception and the reality of the Archon’s presence Describing the veil of Luke 16 28:08 – Multidimensionalism 28:12 – The Archon, Nephilim, and Rephiem infiltrating society 29:27 – The Serpent Race, Demonic (Archon), Jinn 30:30 – Sacrifices to other gods youtu.be/QiOgwMC-fAYDoes the Archon feed off of human energy? The Koran suggests that the Jinn grow stronger through your fear. Bloodline families – Deep State 32:15 – ‘unseen entities’ – Archon He answers the most amazing question 32:12 – The goal of the Archon The Hypostasis of the ArchonsArchon "threw human beings into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their human beings might be occupied by worldly affairs and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit."33:30 – Prison 33:50 – The mass hypnosis of humanity Programming of humanity36:20 – media’s programming 37:00 – education’s programming 38:25 – why are certain people selected to be influential 39:80- sperm bank? 40:40 – Christendom42:15 – the level of control the Archon have over the world 43:20 – the human Mind 43:46 – science – 3 dimensional holographic reality within a larger reality We are spirit trapped within Mind-Body – some call it the our SoulHow do we wake up to the larger reality? – Through Jesus Christ and the ‘awakening’ through the Holy Spirit. Why couldn’t I see it before?47:08 – we are at a fork in the road – spiritual reality – or remain trapped in the system of Archon We are eternal consciousness having a physical souljorn This revelation transforms our perspective and the way we look at things vrs the ‘Cradle to Grave Programming’ of the system of the Beast, the dragon, That Chief Archon and his staff When I shared David Ike’s video with you – you said you could see no theology in itWho use the 13 families to manipulates this WORLD - who are genetically linked to their invidible spiritual mastersThis can have nothing to do with Hebrew Satan - who is an angel and Robert makes it very clear angels cannot procreateThis has everything to do with the Rephilem – which are post flood genetic offspring of the pre-Flood Nephilim which are the offspring of then bane elohiym – the offspring of the Beast, the Great Red Dragon, The Chief Archon, The First Archon, the Dragon of Rev 12:3 Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas (G4567), who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Rev 20:2 … the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and satanas (G4567)— G4567 - Σατανᾶς - Of Chaldee origin The archon have always been the rules of earth – physical creationThe Great Red Dragon, the devil, and satanas are not – just made up stuffJust because Adam and Eve – or Abraham – or Israel are lucky enough to become God’s Chosen 1% Does not mean that all of the 99% is just made up stuff You deny the reality of Gen 6 and Gen 8 You deny all the spiritual warfare of the ahl – you say all the the spiritual battels between gods is just made up stuff You deny the spiritual reality of the Rephiem and the 7 tribes of Amorite You even deny the words of Paul - Principalities and powers in heavenly places And today – you deny the archon working behind the scenes of this world to manipulate humanity AND YOU AND I COME FULL CIRCLE Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Now you wish to change the subject – againI wish you would answer some outstanding questions put to you
Or I would like to see use your Robert method for H3629ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/508/word-study-h3629?page=1&scrollTo=5870
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 16:21:31 GMT -5
Rob writes the account spoken correctly: 13:26 "They see people like cattle" Dave adds bias to the account spoken by David Icke" 13:26 The Archon treat us like cattle – Rob checks out Infowars.com www.infowars.com/posts/david-icke-we-are-facing-the-end-of-humanity-unless-we-push-back/David Icke talks about people dying from taking the vaccine, over 1 hour video MazeCodex 8 months ago Based on Terrain Theory, viruses are manufactured inside your body when your toxic load is too high (vaccines, air pollution, toxic water, toxic food). They help you and are coded with your unique DNA/RNA - you can’t catch viruses or spread viruses. Germ Theory is the opposite and is the foundation of our sick care system. Time for a Paradigm shift. What Is Graphene Oxide? - David Icke=60f048e969707d634e25128c 79days.news/watch?id=60f048e969707d634e25128cOn case of the fake virus, AND IT IS A FAKE VIRUS "used in masks and the fake vaccines" Thinnest substance known. A group of Spanish research found it was 98 to 99% graphene oxide. I hope another independent group reports their findings. No problem with graphene, but 98 to 99%? Someone is going to get hold of vaccine and look at contents... asking to be exposed... Need more research on that Not sure all the viral content the same stuff. Maybe some get saline solution? 5:45 Maybe ... versions... designed to kill people...especially elderly. Graphene element very important, because of the way it is used. Best conductor of electricity known... strongest substance known.. Connects people to the smart group, nano technology...is perfect for connecting to the grid People put metal on arm and the metal sticks... magnetic... This stuff is self replicating, and enters the body and turns it magnetic To magnet smart grid. Want everybody fake vaccinated... 79days.news/watch?id=60e31124523ece4236e90740David Icke - United By Truth ------------------------------------------------------------ Quoted above are the exact words I hear spoken by David Icke... ----------------------------------------------------------- Now my discussion, which may come with bias, for the reader, you make up your own mind Dave, I listened to many of David Icke videos, but my download limit prevents listening to the entire hour long dribble, I would rather read the video content, much more efficient to glean the facts of the case. Do you have any of David Icke's videos where he actually mentions "archons" by that name or word? Second point, you bag me about GO used in vaccines, and there is a whole video of David Icke saying they use graphene in vaccines, and he even quotes the Spanish researches... not to bag them, but to agree with them, and hope that other independent research confirms their findings. You need to listen to your own David Icke.
You bagged me about vaccines having GO in them You bagged me about the Spanish researchers... -------------------------------------------------------------- Rob now records the next part of the video, to ascertain the way Dave records the words of David Icke What Dave wrote" 25:15 - Archon manipulative breeding of the population 28:12 – The Archon, Nephilim, and Rephiem infiltrating society 29:27 – The Serpent Race, Demonic (Archon), JinnWhat Rob records from the same time messages of Icke:- reality share the same space, anything but human, working on frequency different to our world, Illuminati entities, religious beliefs, different name, serpent race, Jins, same entities,, breeding incessantly genetic code to possess blood line families, demonic entities, Rockefeller, green span, blood sacrifices, these gods feed off human energies, blood lines are not, do what they do in the past. drink blood etc, possessed by these entities, demonic entities, used blood line families as a vehicle.. 32"19 when families go into positions of power, these entities go into these positions of power.Discussion, Readers will expect some BIAS, we all discuss the facts with our own bias, but will a science person admit this to the reader? I try to be honest... OK Dave I skipped the video to get how accurate are you in quoting the words of David Icke. Above is my best at tying the words as best I can, spelling mistakes... not a single mention about " Archon manipulative breeding of the population" no mention of " The Archon, Nephilim, and Rephiem infiltrating society" or , Demonic (Archon), HOWEVER David does mention " serpent race, Jins, same entities,, " David uses the term "entities" a lot, and does not Name these "entities". A true scientist is supposed to gather the FACTS first, than discuss with BIAS if you wish to. D" When I shared David Ike’s video with you – you said you could see no theology in itR" Correct. I would say David Icke leaves out talking about theology a lot, but he does throw in some clues. D" This can have nothing to do with Hebrew Satan - who is an angel and Robert makes it very clear angels cannot procreateR" David Icke would not agree with you Dave? I quote his words" " these gods feed off human energies, blood lines are not, do what they do in the past. " What does Icke mean, " these entities feed off human energy"? Do you have a video text of Icke actually stating who these entities are? and how they breed blood lines? D" This has everything to do with the Rephilem – which are post flood genetic offspring of the pre-Flood Nephilim which are the offspring of then bane elohiym – the offspring of the Beast, the Great Red Dragon, The Chief Archon, The First Archon, the Dragon of Rev 12:3R" Does David Icke support this view Dave? Show me the video text transcript of a video he makes? D" AND YOU AND I COME FULL CIRCLER" You should listen to Icke more, especially in the " fake vaccine and the graphehe used in it." Again I quote David Icke words. D " Now you wish to change the subject – again I wish you would answer some outstanding questions put to youR" I would say Icke is on our topic Dave. The dragon power is taking over the world, and the Lord GOD says "fear not"... I have no fear of the "entities" and their "deep state" the "Illuminati" Icke calls them, Walter Veith exposes the Illuminati better than any person on earth, quotes directly from their own literature. You need to listen to David Icke over the fake vaccine issue. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 25, 2021 17:38:38 GMT -5
Rob writes the account spoken correctly: 13:26 "They see people like cattle" Dave, I listened to many of David Icke videos, but my download limit prevents listening to the entire hour long dribble, I would rather read the video content, much more efficient to glean the facts of the case. Always with the excusesToo bad you do not take me or scriptural research seriousJust join a church and drink their kool-aid – any church will do even if it preaches satan as a god Do you have any of David Icke's videos where he actualy mentions "archons" by that name or word?Hmmm? What about the video I offered?00:35 - - obvious conclusion – This world is controlled by very few people behind the people behind the people we think are in power. 28:10 – just outside visible light – there are ENTITIES that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons. 29:15 – these entities go by different names – some people call them the serpent race, some people call them demonic, Islam calls them Jinn – Names don’t matter they are all the same entities – (archon)Second point, you bad me about GO used in vaccines, and there is a whole video of David Icke saying Question did I offer my David Ike video as Gospel? Answer – I this I said Please watch this video You will never hear a better secular explanation of why the unseen world is real and alive. If the unseen world is real and alive, then each of us must consider if that means scripture, which describes David Ike’s (my) cosmology is valid in any way. Once that door is open, whatever you do with that knowledge is up to you. Hopefully, if any of scripture is valid, then you will consider that more of it is as well, and now you are on your own personal journey, you have begun to Seek. My prayer is that you find Christ along the way. Above is my best at tying the words as best I can, spelling mistakes... not a single mention about "Archon or , Demonic (Archon), HOWEVER David does mention "serpent race – from the 99%), (Jinn, - from Canaan / Chaldea – Arabic – Islamic), (Catholic demonic) same entities,, "Who do you say the gods devils and demons of the 99% are? You refuse to answerDavid uses the term "entities" a lot, and does not Name these "entities".Correct – They are not angelsthey are invisible to us – just outside our field of vision – operation on a different wave length – but made of matter – made of some matter – they are creatures of creation – they represent the Great Red Dragon and his army – devil(s) – serpents(s) – satanas(s) – and false prophets . D" When I shared David Ike’s video with you – you said you could see no theology in it R" Correct. I would say David Icke leaves out talking about theology a lot, but he does throw in some clues.David Ike speak 100% all about the archon and how they infiltrate our societyEverything presented in this video = Eph 6:12 – and the workings of the NT satanas and his demons / Principalities / archonYou deny our real enemy and therefore refuse to even consider how they manipulated you And you say – the Beast of revelation and the movement toward globalism and a New World Order / 1 WORLD government is not scriptural - it is made up stuff you say D" This can have nothing to do with Hebrew Satan - who is an angel and Robert makes it very clear angels cannot procreate R" David Icke would not agree with you Dave.Too bad you do not have the time to take me serious - David Ike would not touch a religious / scriptural position to save his life Yet – even he admits – because it is obvious44:10 we are consciousness without form – having a physical souljourn – though this holographic reality we call 3D reality Do you have a video text of Icke actually stating who these entities are? and how they breed blood lines?28:10 – just outside visible light – there are ENTITIES that are anything but human that have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons. 29:15 – these entities go by different names – some people call them the serpent race, some people call them demonic, Islam calls them Jinn – Names don’t matter they are all the same entities – (archon)
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Post by Dillon on Jul 26, 2021 3:06:53 GMT -5
D" No one believed in Catholic satan until Rome invented himR" Let's try to study the Ancient Chinese religion, 700 years before Hebrew writings even existed under Abraham. These people had knowledge of devil, as a temptor, and words like greed or covet as words of RA. www.bibleprobe.com/chinese.htmDave it's hard looking over Ancient CHinese stuff, not there. Same problem with any old religion, would you believe the writings anyhow? I doubt it? I remember when you shared this with us. I believe this, don’t you? youtu.be/DA-AkJzpKmg19.30min in = the temper = the devil D" Stop trying to blame it on your satan R" I do NOT blame Satan for sinning. Mankind chooses to SIN using the powers of SELF. However Satan is the origin of sin, the catalyst for SIN, It is not satan's fault, but it's satan's fault?
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2021 8:32:07 GMT -5
I appreciate your input and I love this video as well. Robert will not watch a video we post. He doesn’t have to he already knows the answer. And he will discuss your video as if he watched it – but he won’t. Satan is responsible for everything – cherub chata – is the his only answer for everything – regardless if it applies or not.
Even after I took to time to debunk his Spanish vaccine experts –then he turns around and quotes it again from a David Ike – knowing it is false You will never have a meaningful or honest conversation with someone who post known garbage as fact. Sort of like his claim that most of the ahl is myth about imaginary made up stuff
Ever wonder how a Christian can argue tha ahl is infalible - yet claim it is written about imaginary made up stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5
Greetings Dillon
Dillon" I remember when you shared this with us. I believe this, don’t you? youtu.be/DA-AkJzpKmg 19.30min in = the temper = the devil
Rob" Yes I love this video, and support the findings. What seems to be the problem with your watching of the video?
He is a great Pastor showing us ancient Chinese, and there is shown in the presentation a Temptor, who seduces Eve. This means to me, the temptor sins, to make Ever sin.
I will answer Dave's post after work. Have to go guys. Have a great day Dillon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 4:31:42 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
"Robert will not watch a video we post. He doesn’t have to he already knows the answer. And he will discuss your video as if he watched it – but he won’t.
There is no need to be hard on me. I will watch videos, but I am not so rich as you might be, my wife has unlimited video download, but I am limited to hardly any download, due to a very small 6 monthly prepaid plan.
"Even after I took to time to debunk his Spanish vaccine experts –then he turns around and quotes it again from a David Ike – knowing it is false
You amaze me Dave, David Icke doesn't think the Spanish Researchers are false, only you do? Go figure. So now you don't like David Icke and his videos?
You will never have a meaningful or honest conversation with someone who post known garbage as fact
Really Dave, we are science people and are supposed to be objective, not emotional and always mocking. I do not mock your views or your presentations, even though I disagree with them. As a science person you should stick to the facts presented. Now if David Icke speaks positively about the Spanish Researchers, and also speaks about Graphene Oxide in the fake virus , so called vaccines, (I use his words), than maybe on the balance of probabilities we should listen to Icke. Science makes judgement on the basis of probabilities, as Icke recommends other independent research on GO would be nice, but speaks along the same lines as I do, concerning the vaccine and virus pandemic.
"Sort of like his claim that most of the ahl is myth about imaginary made up stuff
Wow Dave, how can a science person write stuff from a person without backing up your emotional outburst? What imaginary stuff from the OT, what stuff from the OT is a myth?
Science is not allowed to make inferences from observation, but we often do. For example, we both read this passage from JOB.
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power;
What parts of this passage create the inference that this "satan-creature" is a prosecutor?
A prosecutor would not be told, all he hath is in your power? And than the prosecutor goes forth to influence humans to destroy Job's family treasures.
Is this the normal role of a prosecutor? Absolutely not. Not in my understanding of secular prosecutor courts. And yet you make inferences from the presentation.
You have made the OT here into imaginary stuff here. All other religions I read on the www (but you say they are Rome edited) speak differently than you. But Dillon showed us both a wonderful video, I am proud of Dillon, 'cause it's a great video on mine, and it shows the Ancient Chinese had some devil temptor, some adversary, or opponent.
Notice one thing both of you from Ancient Chinese, long before Rome edit, you claim.
Ancient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two trees.
In the sinless world of the universe where everything is tov always, mankind would have the choice of one tree. If you choose to disobey the one tree, than we call that missing GOD and GOD's one tree of life.
An angel did this, long before mankind, now there is a choice for the man, two trees.
The chinese religion write this into their words. The devil had caused this "RA/TOV" tree, of particularly one tree, the tree of ra and tov.
There is your answer here, long before the Rome edit. Locked into Ancient Chinese words.
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Post by Dave on Jul 27, 2021 6:24:54 GMT -5
He is a great Pastor showing us ancient Chinese, and there is shown in the presentation a Temptor, who seduces Eve. This means to me, the temptor sins, to make Ever sin. Yet the only scripture you have for this is Ellen White repeating Romam Catechism
"Robert will not watch a video we post. He doesn’t have to he already knows the answer. And he will discuss your video as if he watched it – but he won’t.
There is no need to be hard on me. I will watch videos, but I am not so rich as you might be, my wife has unlimited video download, but I am limited to hardly any download, due to a very small 6 monthly prepaid plan.
Your wife has unlimited – too bad you don’t know her. My wife shares her phone with me. I can log onto my wife’s hot spot anytime she is near (about 25 feet). If you thought it important you would sit at Starbucks and drink a $5 glass of water. In America we also have these buildings called libaries - they are free here
"Even after I took the time to debunk his Spanish vaccine experts –then he turns around and quotes it again from a David Ike – knowing it is false You amaze me Dave, David Icke doesn't think the Spanish Researchers are false, only you do? Go figure.
Did you watch the video from American Front Line Doctors – the comments of millions of American Doctors – OH – no you didn’t - you can only watch videos from conspiracy outlets evidently You will never have a meaningful or honest conversation with someone who post known garbage as fact Really Dave, we are science people and are supposed to be objective, Show me your credentials – you do not speak like a scientist – you hold on to doctrines and myths – even after being shown the truth
Why do you prefere - a conspericy media outlet presenting a science paper with only one name on it that is not peer reviewed - over millions of American Doctors presenting fact? Scientist?
"Sort of like his claim that most of the ahl is myth about imaginary made up stuff Who are the devils of the ahl Who are the other gods of the ahl Who is Beelzebub So far you only answer has been – it is made up stuff Spoken like a real scientist investigating a topic in depth?
Wow Dave, how can a science person write stuff from a person without backing up your emotional outburst? What imaginary stuff from the OT, what stuff from the OT is a myth? Here is an emotional outburst for you - Who are the devils of the ahl Who are the other gods of the ahl Who is Beelzebub So far you only answer has been – it is made up stuff Ask a Jew if Baal, Molech, Dogon, Cherush and more + the men that worship them are imaginary Spoken like a real scientist investigating a topic in depth? AND WHY IS IT A SIN FOR AN ANGEL TO OBEY THE LORD?
You have made the OT here into imaginary stuff here. All other religions I read on the www (but you say they are Rome edited) speak differently than you. OK – then you tell me who Rome says the other gods of the ahl are
Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”
Who is God talking about? You refuse to answer! You claim it is always just one angel named satan – so why doesn’t ahl scripture say satan?
But Dillon showed us both a wonderful video, I am proud of Dillon, 'cause it's a great video on mine, and it shows the Ancient Chinese had some devil temptor, some adversary, or opponent. YES absolutely – the devil – a deceiver and tempter You say this is proof of an evil god named satan I say – all the religions of the 99% had devils
Notice one thing both of you from Ancient Chinese, long before Rome edit, you claim. Devils correct – not the god of evil – can you even tell the difference satan boy
Ancient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two trees. YES – their choice to make – no one else’s Man is the creature that sins
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
In the sinless world of the universe where everything is tov always, More of your made up stuff
Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
An angel did this, long before mankind, now there is a choice for the man, two trees. Ancient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two trees. YES – their choice to make – no one else’s Man is the creature that sins
The Chinese religion write this into their words. The devil had caused this "RA/TOV" tree, of particularly one tree, the tree of ra and tov. Scientist ? – quote the video where it says – the devil is responsible for the two trees? Ancient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two trees. Quote the video where id says that everything change when Adan listened to Eve Quote the video how now earth quakes could happen or that sharks could now be sharks Quote the video how this devil hates god and takes 1/3rd of all th angle s to hell
There is your answer here, long before the Rome edit. Locked into Ancient Chinese words. There is my answer – you are unable to present anything but innuendo and subjecture There is my answer – all you can see is satan Again your only answer for everything is cherub chata and I will mock you every time you try to elevate your satan god
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 14:16:44 GMT -5
Greetings Dave My wife lives 150Km away from me, during my work week, so access to unlimited IPAD is impossible. On weekends I watch videos through her Ipad, yes. Like this one: www.bing.com/videos/search?q=secret+covenant&&view=detail&mid=4B84E2EA6FF0C951DF444B84E2EA6FF0C951DF44&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dsecret%2Bcovenant%26FORM%3DHDRSC3or youtu.be/baENqPhtofoThe Secret Covenant, is an answer to these other pagan gods you speak of. My wife presented it to me. Dana Horochowski calls those who came from heaven to earth are fallen angels. I quote here saying this around the 10 to 11 minute into her 12 minute video. But you say this is a Roman Edit. D" you try to elevate your satan godR" I do not elevate Satan-god, Dave. You do not have an origin of sin, whereas the torah presents this fallen angel as the first creature to have sinned. You ignore the cherub chata passage, and thus ignore Scripture. D "There is my answer – you are unable to present anything Scripture writes a poetry simile Dave, comparing the actions of a human King Tyre to those of the another so called king angel, a bright star who was perfect once in the beginning but chose to do the missing of God's power in his life, "cherub chata". A poetry simile Dave compares one picture to another picture, along similar lines. Both pictures are both different yet similar at the same time. The human King Tyre is human, duh, but the King Angel who sinned is a cherub. Both were arrogant, yet you dismiss the function of the simile in this poetry altogether. D"A ncient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two treesR" You did not catch the significance of the trees Dave. Trees are poetry similes of creatures of intelligence, with free will to choose GOD and live intelligently. Ps 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; If we are to live in a sinless universe, there would only be ONE TREE Dave, ONE source of power, ONE government to live under, ONE choice to obey. Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. This same TREE of LIFE lives in heaven, in the same patch of soil, it once stood on the earth, and comes back to the earth to live again, as ONE tree, Not two trees like mankind was created under. You do not need two trees to SIN Dave, you need only decide to MISS GOD and thus walk away from HIS ONE tree of life. Who did this first? The cherub chata did. No where is Adam described as sinning, or Eve as sinning, they are both described as transgressing the law, because they chose a different tree. This tree was a power of evil and thus a simile of SIN, and was created for a reason since some creature represented the sinning of this tree. Here is a quote of Ellen White the only passage on this subject written in 1898 Yet even though these conceptions were entirely true, where could there be any value to anybody in studying that which is thoroughly bad? Out of that which is bad, only bad can come. The knowledge of the bad is only bad. Indeed, the knowledge of even good and bad is only bad. For it was simply by eating of the tree of good and evil that this world became evil, and has been evil ever since. She is suggesting the tree of RA/TOV is actually a tree of evil, only bad. I tend to agree. The tree is a simile of the power of this fallen angel, who sinned long before the Creation Week for mankind. Notice Dillon video shows the Ancient Depiction of the Devil He comes to the garden of two trees flowing as a person to another person in secret. The Pastor suggests this devil does 4 contradictions. A contradiction is another word for sinning against God, in my opinion. Hence here is all the proof I need before the Roman edit, of a person coming to other people secretly under cover, to tempt Eve and Adam to transgress. The Pastor suggest the Devil contradicted GOD at least 4 times according to the video. SO let's see where does the Bible speak of some being flowing in Eden's Garden? I am going to present a bran new thought, using the symbols of Ancient Chinese logograms:- Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, Notice the poetry simile begins because this man thinks He is like GOD. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; (GARDEN) Eze 28:14 thou hast walked up and down (FLOWS) Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect .... till iniquity was found in thee. (TWO PERSONS ) Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, (SECRET) Eze 28:16... out of the mountain of God: (MOUNTAIN mentioned not two trees) Eze 28:16 thou hast sinned: (DEVIL defined) Why is the simile of mountain used rather than trees? Isa 30:17 One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill. {a beacon: or, a tree bereft of branches, or, boughs: or, a mast} Jer 3:6 ¶ The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. Mt 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. (KJV) A mountain is a simile of the tree. These verses suggest both are symbols of the same power. In conclusion, Ezekiel depicts the same logogram depiction as the Ancient Chinese do, for Devil. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 28, 2021 7:14:58 GMT -5
The Secret Covenant, is an answer to these other pagan gods you speak of. My wife presented it to me. Dana Horochowski calls those who came from heaven to earth are fallen angels. I quote here saying this around the 10 to 11 minute into her 12 minute video.I watched 2 min of your video - YES I AGREE – Rome is a satanic cult – I have been saying that ever since we first metRoman Christianity is an entirely different religion than Judaism, or Messianic Judaism of the First century Christians, or Messianic Judaism today Roman Christianity is a different religion than Coptic Christianity, or Syrian Christianity, or Greek Orthodox Christianity – who are all persecuted by the WORLD Rome stands alone with its satanic overtones – who have always persecuted Jews and other Christians alike - then crusaided against the Jews and Muslim - Killed all the Cathars - then wared upon Luther and his followers But the question to you is – who are the other gods of the ahlAnd all you have to offer is Rome and Roman satan worshipI specifically asked you about 500 BC ahl and you only answer is Rome of 300AD aglBut you say this is a Roman Edit.I specifically asked you about 500 BC ahl and you only answer is Rome of 300AD aglThe doctrine of Fallen Angels is 100% a Roman invention Your video calls Rome a satanic cult – and your church repeats Catholic doctrine word for word And the only answers you have come straight out of Rome doctrineHow can Rome be both a satanic cult – yet their version of satan is the only correct version?Don't be too hard on me Dave, I don't know everything Either Catholic doctrine is a satanic cult – as I claim – as your own video claims or Catholic doctrine is the word of God – as Ellen White repeatsPlease make up your mindD" you try to elevate your satan god R" I do not elevate Satan-god, Dave. You have a Great Controversy with two gods in opposition to one another Two gods fighting over man for their own personal kingdomsDave writes: " See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that? R" I do not elevate Satan-god, Daveahl Hebrew satan is an angel in the service of the Lord Not once have you ever posted a verse that says ahl satan disobeys God Every occurrence of ahl satan (23 times) he is opposing man and obeying the Lord And when asked – why you consider it a sin to obey God You refuse to answer Your best attempt to prove this is – your false assumption If you oppose man – you are opposing GodAnd when ask about the times God opposes man - Does God oppose Himself? You just refuse to answer You do not have an origin of sin, whereas the torah presents this fallen angel as the first creature to have sinned.Gen 1:2 Choshek appeared Rev 12:3 The Great Red Dragon appeared Rev 12:4 ... Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. This is creation week – Gen 1:2 and forward – What is a by-product of creation? What is inherent to creation? GOD’s LAWs / GOD’s RULES and REGULATIONS for His creation 1st law of nature (thermodynamics) E cannot be created or destroyed only translated or transmuted Gen 1:1 E is translated into the invisible incorruptible heavens – and transmuted into visible corruptible physical creation (earth) E=mc2 2nd Law of Thermodynamics = ENTROPY Gen 1:2 Choshek appeared Rev 12:3 The Great Red Dragon appeared Rev 12:4 ... Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Entropy was in the WORLD since Gen 1:2 choshek – Rev 12:3-4 Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. No Law = no sinSin = transgression of the law / disobedience Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sin (from below)You ignore the cherub chata passage, and thus ignore Scripture.You ignore 79 verses to your one verse – I will stick with the bulk of scripture ahl Hebrew satan is an angel in the service of the lord helping to facilitate God Will agl satanas is of the beast / devil / serpent family (archon) – bane elohiym – (sons of gods pl) You claim to be a word specialist – but you take two different words from two entirely different origins and smash them together – add one verse from Ezk – and bingo you have Catholic fallen Angels MythD"Ancient Chinese draw two trees... God gave Adam and Eve a choice between two trees R" You did not catch the significance of the trees Dave. Trees are poetry similes of creatures of intelligence, with free will to choose GOD and live intelligently.So your SDA theology teaches that the two trees in the garden represent 2 living beings - God or satanWhat a bunch of satanic crap – the choice was between life and knowledge Knowledge is not a being – it certainly is not a being called satan – and – knowledge is not a godWho did this first? The cherub chata did. No where is Adam described as sinning, or Eve as sinning, they are both described as transgressing the law, because they chose a different tree.A Jew will tell you that a sin is disobedience / a transgression of the Law Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sinwhen asked – why you consider it a sin to obey God - You refuse to answer when ask about the times God opposes man - Does God oppose Himself? - You just refuse to answer Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sin The more you try to defend your satan the more anti-Christian things you say You are willing to sacrifice all of scripture to make cherub chata a god of evil Notice Dillon video shows the Ancient Depiction of the DevilYes devil – I agree – all of the 99% had devilsHe comes to the garden of two trees flowing as a person to another person in secret. The Pastor suggests this devil does 4 contradictions.You should watch the video before you talk about it 3 contradictions by the serpent and 1 by Eve And the Pastor is talking about the devilAcademic honestyA contradiction is another word for sinning against God, in my opinion.Everything is a sin when you fail to define the wordRom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law. No Law = no sin Sin = transgression of the law / disobedience (from above) Now you preach that transgression of the Law is not a sin – but anything else is a sinGen 3:13 Adonai Elohim said to the woman, “What did you do?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me and I ate.” The serpent deceived Eve – just as the volunteer spirit of 1 Kings 22 Again I ask – why is it a sin to obey the LordHence here is all the proof I need before the Roman edit, of a person coming to other people secretly under cover, to tempt Eve and Adam to transgress. The Pastor suggest the Devil contradicted GOD at least 4 3 times according to the video. YES – this guy is talking about the devil / the serpentRev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas (G4567), who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him YES Robert – the beast is the ruler (archon) of this physical world – the Great Red Dragon (archon) – the devil (archon) the serpent (archon) and Chaldean satanas (archon) They are the rulers (archon) false gods (archon) other gods (archon) non-God gods (archon) They were the rulers (archon) here long before Adam – this is their kingdom – and they existed before Gen 1:3 – before the light of salvation Rev 12:5 The beast was never friendly with God as you claim in Ezk 28 The beast just appeared – in a plurality Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. The beast was never friendly with God as you claim in Ezk 28 The beast just appeared – in a plurality You can call this the Beast and his angels You can call this the beast and his army You can call this the Beast and his offspring (bane elohiym) In conclusion, same logogram depiction as the Ancient Chinese, for Devil.Agreed – devil – of the archon family Beast / serpent / satanasBut you cannot prove to me that this has anything to do with ahl Hebrew satan Who is always a faithful servant to the Lord helping to facilitate Gods willIt is so curious – you post a video explain how the Roman Catholic church is a satanic cult – satan-centric Then argue Catholic satan is a valid doctrine – and you are so consumed by this satan doctrine all you can see is Roman satan To post the video you choose is absolute proof of what I sayI specifically asked you about 500 BC ahl and your only answer is the satanic cult of 300AD Rome agl
Then you post a video proving Rome is a satanic cult - but cling to that same stanaic doctrine as Christian
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