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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 15:32:39 GMT -5
I am glad you agree with my assessment of your view.
I find the basic tenants of Gnostic teaching most horrible and absurd.
Gnostic views do not follow Moses teachings at all and are opposing Moses torah.
1) How does creation claim "very functional" be also full of "yester ra", with the instinctive passion to kill, main and murder, rape, pillage and destroy?
2) Your so called Great uncaused cause creates such creatures, you compare the shark as always being a carnivorous monster tearing fish apart because of this one unfounded invention, go forth and multiply. Such a statement does NOT imply inherent destructive aven propensities.
3) You mock my view in an effort to justify your view. That is not friendly.
Just to set the record straight, aven also means a positive as well as a negative. Dozens of verses for positive and for negative.
So how does aven become mostly negative rather than remain mostly positive?
Dave does not understand epi-genetic potential. Science has come to learn that what you do is inherited as a "Aven" propensity into the next generation. It comes from Scripture, you reap what you sow. The bad choices you make become inherited in your genes, and this is passed unto your children. This is why "aven" becomes evil and bad, through the decisions of man to sin. I hope this makes sense to you. My view is nothing like your view, so stop mocking and making comparisons.
4) Your strong authority creates ra into sinless creatures, allowing sinful conditions to naturally occur, is a preposterous idea, weird and totally wrong. Such a view implies the uncaused cause likes things to be dysfunctional, and enjoys having matter with entropy in it. Your "god" is not a strong authority of love at all, more like a "god" of good and evil. This is not what the tree of knowledge of good and evil means. You have twisted the term to mean your "god" creates good and evil, is totally wrong. It supposed to mean knowing the knowledge of good and evil.
The Isaiah 45 verse you love to quote simply means the Father creates RA as a consequence of creatures choosing to SIN, so they can see their sinning fruits. Normally the Father cannot tolerate any ra, and thus would cause ra to fully cease to exist. But you cannot fathom a Father like I have, extremely loving with all creature fully responding to that love, with intelligent speaking.
One day I will have an intelligent conversation to the cow and ask how it loves it's Maker. Eve was not surprised by the serpent talking to her, because all the animals could talk to her.
I asked Dave a serious question : Why would Jesus die, and destroy these creatures of yester ra in the lake of fire?
RP" If the creatures are just robotic yester ra machines testing free will in humans, than why does Jesus oppose these machines and want to remove them, and their kingdom, and the prince, and eventually destroy them in the lake of fire?
D" Because all of this WORLD will pass away - DUH
That is not an answer Dave. Why do the creatures of yester ra do mischief than to the womb of Eve, and also the womb of the HS in the Garden of Eden, destroying the future of humans permanently? Why is the penalty for mischief so extreme if God created the creatures to do mischief in the first place?
Why did the Son have to die to restore the mischief done to Eve, and her womb and the womb of the HS, if this a programmed game of God, just so God can show humans the full extent of His love and well as His hate?
You do not have the judgement for "no murder" because it's a programmed creature designed to intentionally do mischief.
Therefore the ten commandment judgement is not valid and the creature that caused mischief is a robotic creature and did not choose to do mischief, it was fully programmed that way by God. You violate the entire ten commandment law and completely destroy all moral laws of God.
Gnostic views is totally opposed to Moses view of God.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 25, 2022 9:28:43 GMT -5
I find the basic tenants of Gnostic teaching most horrible and absurd. Gnostic views do not follow Moses teachings at all and are opposing Moses torah. Gnostic Christianity = Jewish Theology and Jewish Demonology You deny both and replace it with Roman Catholicism
1) How does creation claim "very functional" be also full of "yester ra", with the instinctive passion to kill, main and murder, rape, pillage and destroy? BINGO – your absurd denial of basic Jewish teaching
Your teaching The commandment to go forth be fruitful and multiply Or the commandment to go forth be fruitful and multiply + subdue and dominate / have dominion = the instinctive passion to kill, main and murder, rape, pillage and destroy? = something evil – ‘aven’ – wicked and unrighteous Your Gnostic Ellen White Catholic views do not follow Moses teachings at all and are opposing Moses torah. I find the basic tenants of Gnostic Ellen White Catholic teaching most horrible and absurd focused on evil and Catholic satan.
Jewish teaching The commandment to go forth be fruitful and multiply (yester ra) Is the instinctive desire for self-preservation and the survival of the species Why are you so convinced this is evil – ‘aven’ – wrong in any way?
Ants – just do what they do to fulfill the commandment to go forth be fruitful and multiply Viruses / bacteria / birds / cows /and cockroaches just do what they do to survive and grow Why are you so convinced this is evil – ‘aven’ – wrong in any way?
Jews teach this as (yester ra) I have reprinted the definition here more than once I have directed you to an in-depth study of the teaching But you refuse to look at the information – so you can continue to call it evil
If you bothered to read any of the Jewish teaching every 12 yrs old Jewish child understand as something so simple – tov = movement toward God = (Jer 1:5) ra = movement away from God (movement toward WORLD) = a movement toward materalism
(yester tov) = movement toward God = (Jer 1:5) (yester ra) = movement toward materialism / physical needs wants and desires
(yester tov) = morning prayers – praise for God and His creation (yester ra) = making scrambled eggs for breakfast – burning toast – smashing oranges for their juice
Or the commandment to go forth be fruitful and multiply + subdue and dominate / have dominion (yester ra) = waking up when you don’t want to – to go out and hunt /farm / work / take care of your home / sweep the floor / fix the roof / till the ground / pay your tax Why are you so convinced this is evil – ‘aven’ – wrong in any way?
Or the commandment - Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.” (yester ra) = digging the round – cutting the stones – building the blocks – to make a Temple to the Lord So you can (yester tov) WITNESS TO ALL THE WORLD
Why do the Jews teach this as (yester ra) Because being the best athlete – the smartest scientist – the most famous actress – the best doctor – the best farmer – IS ALL ABOUT PHYSICAL WORLD and has nothing to do with (yester tov) – the movement toward God
It has nothing to do with being evil or ‘aven’ You can be the most altruistic / compassionate doctor on the planet – if you don’t gnosis God you still MISS
2) Your so called Great uncaused cause creates such creatures, you compare the shark as always being a carnivorous monster tearing fish apart because of this one unfounded invention, go forth and multiply. Such a statement does NOT imply inherent destructive aven propensities. YES – every stick of empirical evidence in scripture - and outside of scripture Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 all validate the teaching – when God creates a thing – there it is – as is – designed for a specific niche within nature - no evolution or changing of any kind – just evidence of an Intelligent Design obvious to all who look NO – does not imply satanic evil – just the balance of nature
3) You mock my view in an effort to justify your view. That is not friendly. Vegetarian sharks is an embarrassment you just must bear Your true friends will tell you the truth
Religious Creationism as presented by Don Patton or Ken Hamm harm the faith as much as Darwin ever has
Just to set the record straight, aven Dave does not understand epi-genetic potential. DUH – Judaism teaches – (yester ra) leads to ‘aven’ / ra – no one denies this You just want to play a word game to prove Jewish Theology in error because you consider Judaism – man-made and mystical – and want to replace it with Ellen White Catholicism
4) Your strong authority creates ra into sinless creatures, allowing sinful conditions to naturally occur, is a preposterous idea, Man / Eve – is the creature that can choose – because Man / Eve = (yester tov) + (yester ra)
Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, (yester ra) and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, (yester ra) and that the tree was desirable for imparting wisdom. (yester ra) So she took of its fruit and she ate. = her choice - disobedience / transgression = SIN This is NOT - passion to kill, main and murder, rape, pillage and destroy? It is just – SIN – disobedience / transgression
Even Jesus Christ is proven to be (yester tov / God) + (yester ra) Jesus Your satan tried to tempt biological (yester ra) Jesus But Jesus Christ said - - Sorry cannot tempt (God – yester tov)
In the garden Jesus prayed – may this cup be lifted – (yester ra) self-preservation speaking up But Jesus Ciste answer His own quandary – not my will (yester ra) – but God’s Will (yester tov)
I asked Dave a serious question : Why would Jesus die, and destroy these creatures of yester ra in the lake of fire? D" Because all of this WORLD will pass away - DUH That is not an answer Dave. Why do the creatures of yester ra do mischief than to the womb of Eve, and also the womb of the HS in the Garden of Eden, destroying the future of humans permanently?
STOP TRYING TO BLAME ANOTHER FOR YOUR SIN The only thing the serpent did was talk talk talk without lying Eve / Man – made the choice
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
Eve then Adam chose WORLD over obedience to God Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, (yester ra) and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, (yester ra) and that the tree was desirable for imparting wisdom. (yester ra) So she took of its fruit and she ate. = her choice - disobedience / transgression = SIN This is NOT - passion to kill, main and murder, rape, pillage and destroy? It is just – SIN – disobedience / transgression
Why did the Son have to die to restore the mischief done to Eve, WHAT WAS DONE TO HER – she lusted and desired the WORLD over obedience to God The Son had to die to ATONE for her SIN - to provide the Divine Pardon to her and all her children fore ever
The First Book of Adam and Eve Dont care is it is not scripture - don't care if you think it inspired - or approved by Rome It existed in print 250 years before Jesus Christ 24.4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth. 5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it.
STOP TRYING TO BLAME ANOTHER FOR YOUR SIN
It is not an ant’s fault that it is an ant – it is God’s design It is not a cow’s fault that it is a cow – it is God’s design It is not the archon’s fault they are archon – it is God’s design All created BY HIM – FOR HIM
The only way you can deny my statement is if you deny scripture
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 17:17:27 GMT -5
D"I f you bothered to read any of the Jewish teaching every 12 yrs old Jewish child understand as something so simple – tov = movement toward God = (Jer 1:5) ra = movement away from God (movement toward WORLD) = a movement toward materalism
(yester tov) = movement toward God = (Jer 1:5) (yester ra) = movement toward materialism / physical needs wants and desiresR" If you look at the Hebrew word ra, and its related family of words, RA is not just a movement away from God, so soft a sound you describe RA. Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. What RA was this I wonder? Ge 19:19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die: What was Lot afraid of? Some RA. Sodom had lots of RA in it, and wasn't Lot used to living with the RA in the city? Should we dare to read historical accounts of what RA things the people of Sodom did? D"N O – does not imply satanic evil – just the balance of natureR" Dave calls RA not just evil, but also the balance of nature, sharks that eat fish, lions that kill, snakes that vemon you, mozzies that bite skin, all natural examples of RA Explain to me how sharks that eat fish is a movement away from God, if the shark was originally created to be a fish eating creature? Explain to me how the leaves falling from tree, and thus decomposing; is an example of the tree moving away from God, if the tree have natural mechanisms to make the leaves fall from the tree and decompose. You don't even follow your own definitions. D" Vegetarian sharks is an embarrassment you just must bearR" Well at least my theory has the movement away from God, when Adam sinned the yester ra invaded the vegetarian sharks and they used their teeth to eat fish instead. (Seaweed was no longer with enough nutrient value). Your view has no examples of naturally animals moving away from God , demonstrating yester ra. You don't even follow your own definitions. D" DUH – Judaism teaches – (yester ra) leads to ‘aven’ / ra – no one denies thisR" Well, well, so Rob can read torah correctly.... thank you D" But Jesus Ciste answer His own quandary – not my will (yester ra) – but God’s Will (yester tov)R" I go to the trouble to compliment you, many times when I like something you write, look for the smilee faces in your forum, but never once do I get a response of kindness from you. DP" Because all of this WORLD will pass away - DUHRP" That is not an answer Dave. Why do the creatures of yester ra do mischief than to the womb of Eve, and also the womb of the HS in the Garden of Eden, destroying the future of humans permanently? D" STOP TRYING TO BLAME ANOTHER FOR YOUR SINR" Who said anything about blame, its Scripture you deny... D" The only thing the serpent did was talk talk talk without lying Eve / Man – made the choiceR" NO Dave, the serpent according to your view only has Yester ra in it's talk. A movement away from God, your definition, so its talk is "move away from God", "move away from God" and so Eve "moved away from God". Now technically talking "move away from God" is "missing GOD" is it not ? And a sin to talk like this. DO you agree? So the serpent is programmed as a creature to make man "move away from God" do you not agree? Now how is this a fair creation by the Father to intentionally create a creature that is always "moving away from God" and always tempting humans to "move away from God" also? That is not love, not fair and down right cruel? So your Gnostic teachings are false. You write you do not wish to blame for our yester Ra we do, but you in your Gnostis religion can blame GOD for the yester ra creatures making you / influence you to also move away from God. In my view, SIN did not come from GOD, so their is no blaming God, nor can we blame the mischief maker either, As God is more powerful than He. SO my view has powerful choices we make from faith. Your view has God making the yester ra, and God wanting man to choose God, over the yester RA God creates, so how is this even a fair fight, the enemy was intentionally designed by God? D" Eve then Adam chose WORLD over obedience to GodR" No they didn't They choose to listen to the creature programmed to talk "moving away from God" and so the humans sinned, "moved away from God" and thus yester ra came into them. (I used your view) The serpent did not offer them the world, Eden was already a world they had. The serpent offered them yester Ra, to move away from God. (I use your view) Your Gnostic teachings are false. You do not acknowledge a SINNING creature choosing to make SINNING slaves out of these innocent sinless human creatures. Gnosticism does not teach about SIN, only about yester ra, which is not the same thing. (I use your view) D" The First Book of Adam and Eve Dont care is it is not scripture - don't care if you think it inspired - or approved by Rome It existed in print 250 years before Jesus Christ 24.4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth. 5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it.R" Daves supports another inspired book called Gnostic teachings.
D"O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, R" Where does the torah teach this? I see the Gnostics teaches this. You are not supporting Moses Torah, you support Mystic Gnostics. D" The only way you can deny my statement is if you deny scriptureR" I follow Hebrew torah, you follow Gnostic talmud which is another religion . I do not deny Moses torah, you deny Moses torah and seek a Gnostic talmud instead.
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2022 0:09:07 GMT -5
(yester tov) = movement toward God = (Jer 1:5) (yester ra) = movement toward materialism / physical needs wants and desires R" If you look at the Hebrew word ra, and its related family of words, RA is not just a movement away from God, so soft a sound you describe RA. Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. What RA was this I wonder? -------------------- I tire of answer the same question over and over – you deliberately misrepresent the fact just to be an opposing ass – your oppose god must be so proud of you YOU DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND JEWISH THEOLOGYYou want to rewrite it so it conforms to your fallen angel religionGod commanded all biology to – go forth be fruitful and multiply God commanded man to – go forth be fruitful and multiply + have dominion (subdue and conquer) You teach this is EVIL – RA – ‘AVEN’ – wickedness and unrighteousYOU ARE WRONG! – satan discipleD"NO – does not imply satanic evil – just the balance of nature R" Dave calls RA not just evil, but also the balance of nature, STOP PLAYING WORD GAMES – be serious or be goneExplain to me how sharks that eat fish is a movement away from GodOK – you tell me how it is glorifying God – witnessing to God Jews say it has nothing to do with (yester tov) it is just WORLD / survival D"Vegetarian sharks is an embarrassment you just must bear All of the empirical evidence indicates1- creatures began all at once without any pre-cursor forms – just appear in the record whole 2- no creature ever change diet – changed form – it just lived until it died out 3- ZERO evolution – ZERO changes 4- things are as they were created to be – and that is who they are 5- Creation pseudo-science has harmed the faith as much or more than Darwin ever has D"But Jesus Christ answered His own quandary – not my will (yester ra) – but God’s Will (yester tov) R" I go to the trouble to compliment you, many times when I like something you write, look for the smilee faces in your forum, but never once do I get a response of kindness from you.1- you deny my words – you do not understand me – you argue I do not understand the basic Jewish teaching 2- now you give me a smile face? YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE To be consistant you should accuse me of calling Jesus Christ evil and full of 'aven'3- How old are you? If you were 12 maybe a smiley face would mean something I type the word AGREE – ABSOLUTLY AGREE – CORRECT – do I need to decorate these words to make them more juvenile? D" STOP TRYING TO BLAME ANOTHER FOR YOUR SINR" Who said anything about blame, its Scripture you deny...TAKE A STAND AND STICK WITH IT – whose fault is it?I say Eve made her own choices – you say satan is to blame I quote scripture – because of one man – sin and death entered the world You continually blame it on your scape goat Your Gnostic teachings are false. You do not acknowledge a SINNING creature choosing to make SINNING slaves out of these innocent sinless human creatures.TAKE A STAND AND STICK WITH IT – whose fault is it? D" STOP TRYING TO BLAME ANOTHER FOR YOUR SIND"The only thing the serpent did was talk talk talk without lying Eve / Man – made the choice R" NO Dave, the serpent according to your view only has Yester ra in it's talk. YES IT DID – it is all it has (yestr ra) – look at world – embrace world - materalismA movement away from God, your definition, so its talk is "move away from God", YES – embracing world = (yester ra) and does nothing to witness for God (yester tov)"move away from God" and so Eve "moved away from God".YES – Eve chose WORLD – the sensations – the pleasure – the benefits of material WORLD – instead of obedience Now technically talking "move away from God" is "missing GOD" is it not ? And a sin to talk like this. DO you agree? Just another Robert word gameSIN = to disobey or transgressSo the serpent is programmed as a creature to make man "move away from God" do you not agree?There you go – wanting to blame your satan for all your troubles All of your choices were yours alone Are ants, cockroaches, and baboons - programmed creatures to make man "move away from God"? Now how is this fair creation …That is not love, not fair and down right cruel?Gen 3:13 Adonai Elohim said to the woman, “What did you do?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me and I ate.” Gen 3:14 Adonai Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you did this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and above every animal of the field. On your belly will you go, and dust will you eat all the days of your life. Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.” Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. Your desire will be toward your husband, yet he must rule over you.” Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life. Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field, Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.” The Great Contest between man and world and man and archon Now how is this fair creation …That is not love, not fair and down right cruel? YES – LIFE IS HARD – and UNREWARDING – FLEETING - and in the end it will just be you alone with your guiltIn my view, SIN did not come from GOD, so their is no blaming God, Correct – SIN originated with EVE – Roma 5:12Your view has God making the yester ra, and God wanting man to choose God, over the yester RA God creates, so how is this even a fair fight, the enemy was intentionally designed by God? Without a choice – man has no choices If man only had paradise as his only choice – he would have no choiceD"Eve then Adam chose WORLD over obedience to God R" No they didn't They choose to listen to the creature programmed to talk "moving away from God" and so the humans sinned, "moved away from God" and thus yester ra came into them. (I used your view) There is your ridicules doctrineEve had no (yester ra) until she chose (yester ra) then (yester ra) came into them The gun appear in her hand – after she pulled the triggerThe serpent did not offer them the world, Eden was already a world they had. Correction – Adam and Eve were in Eden – it was a separate location – an oasis D"The First Book of Adam and Eve Dont care is it is not scripture - don't care if you think it inspired - or approved by Rome It existed in print 250 years before Jesus Christ 24.4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth. 5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it. R" Daves supports another inspired book called Gnostic teachings.Dave can offer a Hebrew pre-Roman documentation of the salvation story – Christ (God incarnate) on the cross for the atonement of sin Dave is still waiting for Roberts pre-Roman documentation of his satan god of evil D"The only way you can deny my statement is if you deny scripture R" I follow Hebrew torah, -Correction – you follow Ellen White Please give me your detailed commentary for Col 1:16If you avoide direct questions long enough - they don't go away - you just apper incapable of defending your own Robert method you use to rewrite scripture
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 4:18:44 GMT -5
D"2- no creature ever change diet – changed form – it just lived until it died outR" During the world wars, meat was scare for the zoo, so the lions were fed vegetarian diets for a long time, before going back to their meat diet. no creature ever change dietAll dogs in PNG are vegetarian, no dog in this country eats meat, except white man who can afford expensive imports. As a white man, my dogs in PNG ate rice the whole time they lived with me.You are rather rigid in your dogmatic views. D" I type the word AGREE – ABSOLUTLY AGREE – CORRECT – do I need to decorate these words to make them more juvenile?R" sorry, you are a friend. RP"" move away from God" and so Eve "moved away from God".D" YES – Eve chose WORLD – the sensations – the pleasure – the benefits of material WORLD – instead of obedienceR" You do not like to agree with me do you? D" Without a choice – man has no choices If man only had paradise as his only choice – he would have no choiceR" You say the weirdest things. Adam had one world called Eden , a paradise, where was the other choice? Adam had one God, to worship, so where is the other choice? You programmed creature with a programmed yester ra to get Adam to do the other choice? But where is this choice, and where is this world, and what opposing elohiym was there to follow? In your view there wasn't any? No other world, no other god to choose? You say weird things at times, I smiled. D"T here is your ridicules doctrine Eve had no (yester ra) until she chose (yester ra) then (yester ra) came into themR" Dave you do not need yester ra to disobey God. You simply disobey , become proud and allow the sin to mature and take its course. Over time the pride develops and the sinning is a choice you make. D" The gun appear in her hand – after she pulled the triggerR" You are weird. The gun is matter shaped by technology. It's only becomes RA in the hands of the wrong person, who sins with the gun. RP" The serpent did not offer them the world, Eden was already a world they had.D" Correction – Adam and Eve were in Eden – it was a separate location – an oasisR" Oh so God made an ugly world filled with shark eating fish, dino eating humans, and mozzie biting skins, but inside Eden all was different. I thought God brought animals to Eden for Adam to name, implying Eden was just Adam's home and the Creation was Adam's world. D" Dave can offer a Hebrew pre-Roman documentation of the salvation story – Christ (God incarnate) on the cross for the atonement of sinR" You can? Let's see it.
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2022 10:05:29 GMT -5
D"2- no creature ever change diet – changed form – it just lived until it died out R" During the world wars, meat was scare for the zoo, so the lions were fed vegetarian diets for a long time, before going back to their meat diet. You are rather rigid in your dogmatic views. YES – VERY RIDGED – I am a CREATIONIST - THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CREATORWhen he creates a thing – there is it – as is – no changing – no evolution of any kind PROVEN by the fossil record – creatures appear as is – live – then die out ZERO evolution – ZERO changing God’s creation – ZERO altering God’s designRP""move away from God" and so Eve "moved away from God". D" YES – Eve chose WORLD – the sensations – the pleasure – the benefits of material WORLD – instead of obedience R" You do not like to agree with me do you? YES – EVE did not move toward God by disobeying God – Eve did not move toward God by transgressing His commandment EVE moved toward WORLD – EVE chose WORLD
D"Without a choice – man has no choices R" You say the weirdest things. How can you choose something that does not exist – absolutely stupid doctrineAdam had one world called Eden , a paradise, where was the other choice?Eve had the Free Will to disobey / transgress – (yester ra) Adam had one God, to worship, so where is the other choice?Eve had the Free Will to disobey / transgress – (yester ra) You programmed creature with a programmed yester ra to get Adam to do the other choice?In your view there was…, no other god to choose?ABSOLUTELY CORRECT – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD Judaism and Christianity are 100% MONOTHIESTIC IS 100% PAGAN - opposite of Monothiesm ------------------ But where is this choice, and where is this world, and what opposing elohiym was there to follow?It is inside of EVE (yester ra) THERE IS NO OTHER god - THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD – Judaism and Christianity are 100% MONOTHIESTIC R" Dave you do not need yester ra to disobey God. You simply disobey , become proud and allow the sin to mature and take its course. Over time the pride develops and the sinning is a choice you make. Please explain how you disobey God with (yester tov) – what is tov about disobedience and transgression Please explain how (yester tov) leads to PRIDE and SINRP" The serpent did not offer them the world, Eden was already a world they had. D" Correction – Adam and Eve were in Eden – it was a separate location – an oasis R" Oh so God made an ugly world filled with shark eating fish, dino eating humans, and mozzie biting skins, but inside Eden all was different. I thought God brought animals to Eden for Adam to name, implying Eden was just Adam's home and the Creation was Adam's world. Eden is a separate locality with the WORLDYou refuse to answer this in the past – why was a guard placed at the entrance of EDEN to prevent Adam and Eve from returning there If Eden changed into your corruption – why does it remain?D" Dave can offer a Hebrew pre-Roman documentation of the salvation story – Christ (God incarnate) on the cross for the atonement of sin R" You can? Let's see it. The First Book of Adam and Eve1:2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of wafer, clear and pure to the taste, like unto nothing else; so that, through the clearness thereof, one maylook into the depths of the earth. 3 And when a man washes himself in it, becomes clean of the cleanness thereof, and white of its whiteness--even if he were dark. 4 And God created that sea of His own good pleasure, for He knew what would come of the man He should make; so that after he had left the garden, on account of his transgression, men should be born in the earth, from among whom righteous ones should die, whose souls God would raise at the last day; when they should return to their flesh; should bathe in the water of that sea, and all of them repent of their sins. POINT – God knew what would happen! God’s plan has always been God’s Plan No one ever forced God to alter / change / revise His Plan
3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen. 2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled." Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. 24: 4 Then came the Word of God to Adam, and said unto him, "O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood, so will I shed My own blood when I become flesh of thy seed; and as thou didst die, O Adam, so also will I die. And as thou didst build an altar, so also will I make for thee an altar on the earth; and as thou didst offer thy blood upon it, so also will I offer My blood upon an altar on the earth. 5 "And as thou didst sue for forgiveness through that blood, so also will I make My blood forgiveness of sins, and blot out transgressions in it. DUH - Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” D" Dave can offer a Hebrew pre-Roman documentation of the salvation story – Christ (God incarnate) on the cross for the atonement of sin R" You can? Let's see it. Book of Enoch(google) The text, divided into 108 chapters, 18 chapters dedicated to the Second Coming of Christ - the base text for the Book of Revelation---------------- Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. D"The only way you can deny my statement is if you deny scripture R" I follow Hebrew torah, you follow Gnostic talmud which is another religion . WOW – another Robert invention Gnostic Talmud – your academic prowess is imaginaryWhere is your SDA commentary on Col 1:16 All was created through Him and for Him. My discussion – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR – who created everything
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Post by Dave on Jul 26, 2022 17:14:24 GMT -5
Where is your SDA commentary on Col 1:16 All was created through Him and for Him.My discussion – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR – who created everythingFound it - m.egwwritings.org/en/book/96.49#49EGW SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7 HomeBibleCommentariesEGW SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7 Colossians Chapter 1 Instruction of Highest Value—The manifestation of real goodness is the bearing of fruit in good works. This bears the endorsement of heaven. Read the first chapter of Paul's Epistle to the Colossians. The instruction it contains is of the highest value. The religion of Christ makes all who possess it truly benevolent. It countenances no littleness, no mean transactions. True Christians have a nobility which allows none of the cheap, covetous actions that are a disgrace to the doer of them (Letter 58, 1900). What Our Churches Should Be—The first and second chapters of Colossians have been presented to me as an expression of what our churches in every part of the world should be (Letter 161, 1903). 9-11. God's Will May Be Known—[Colossians 1:9-11 quoted.] How complete this prayer is! There is no limit to the blessings that it is our privilege to receive. We may be “filled with the knowledge of his will.” The Holy Ghost would never have inspired Paul to offer this prayer in behalf of his brethren, if it had not been possible for them to receive an answer from God in accordance with the request. Since this is so, we know that God's will is manifested to His people as they need a clearer understanding of His will (Letter 179, 1902). 15 (Hebrews 1:3; see EGW on Acts 1:11). The Perfect Photograph of God—We have only one perfect photograph of God, and this is Jesus Christ (Manuscript 70, 1899). 15-17. See EGW on John 1:1-3. 17. See EGW on Acts 17:28. 19. See EGW on Philippians 3:8. 20. See EGW on John 3:14-17. 26. See EGW on 2 Corinthians 12:1-4. 26, 27. See EGW on John 1:1-3, 14; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-6; Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Timothy 3:16; Revelation 22:14. Colossians 1:16 = John 1:1-3 I followed the linkEGW on John 1:1-3 1-3 (Proverbs 8:22-27; Romans 9:5; Philippians 2:6; Colossians 1:15-17; Hebrews 1:8). The Eternity of Christ—If Christ made all things, He existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity. God over all, blessed forevermore. no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God - God over all,Where is your Ezk 28 foundation verse - you say your satan recreated himself from a good-guy angel - then you say your satan created evil and sin - Why doesn't Ellen White back you up?Next - I read Ellen White Manuscript 70Ms 70, 1901 - m.egwwritings.org/en/book/10587.1#1Where is your Ezk 28 foundation verse - you say your satan recreated himself from a good-guy angel - then you say your satan created evil and sin - Why doesn't Ellen White back you up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 5:11:11 GMT -5
D"When he creates a thing – there is it – as is – no changing – no evolution of any kind PROVEN by the fossil record – creatures appear as is – live – then die out ZERO evolution – ZERO changing God’s creation – ZERO altering God’s design
R" I see, explain how the dinosaurs that went into the ark in Noah's time came out into a different world, how did they survive? They couldn't survive with your design rigid plans....no changes allowed...Dave's view.
Explain the finch changes Darwin saw on those islands than, if the DNA of birds are rigid plans....no changes allowed...Dave's view.
(please note I do not accept evolution, but change, especially micro-change is a Creation idea, where an animal kind "fills the earth" as God asked them to.)
You didn't discuss how lions can be vegetarian for a year during the war?
Or how dogs in PNG live all their lives on rice?
D"EVE moved toward WORLD – EVE chose WORLD R" so are you saying the world outside Eden was different to the world inside Eden, maybe the outside world had more RA?
D"How can you choose something that does not exist – absolutely stupid doctrine R" Light switch, on I get light, OFF I get dark.
Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. (KJV)
Mouth talk, talk TOV words and you are saved, talk RA words and you are condemned. No need for what you are saying, like something inside of us.
D"D"How can you choose something that does not exist
R" Einstein video, asked professor Dave, does dark exist? Dave replies Of course, its a choice so must exist.
Einstein says no Dave, dark is the absence of light
Einstein asks professor Dave, does cold exist? Have you never been cold, its a choice, so it must exist.
You are wrong sir, cold does not exist either, cold is the absence of heat.
FInally Einstein asked professor Dave, does evil exist?
Yes it had to be to become a choice we choose?
Sorry Dave, evil does not exist either. Evil is a created thing by God, when people wish to move away from God, so less of God lives in their lives.
You do not require yester ra, or something to make a choice, the choice is made by choosing, and God does the rest.
RP"In your view there was…, no other god to choose? D" ABSOLUTELY CORRECT – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD R" Then there can be no opposing elohiym power before the Father's face can there? So the Father was delusional when His finger wrote the ten rules depicting the opposing elojhiym power wasn't He?
There is no opposing elohiym power before the Father's face. There is no sin that makes the sinner oppose the Father.
After all the yester ra is created by the Father, therefore the Father must know personally evil. This is what your Gnostic view is saying.
D"Judaism and Christianity are 100% MONOTHIESTIC R" I see. How many heart cells do you have, many or one? The word echad, means the many function as one, all the many voluntary agreed to give up independence and function as one cell. Individual cells is termed cancer and killed.
D"Please explain how (yester tov) leads to PRIDE and SIN R" Scripture does not explain how sin came from a sinless mind, but it did very slowly over many years. (read the EGW quotes below for more)
D"why was a guard placed at the entrance of EDEN to prevent Adam and Eve from returning there R" prevent access to tree of life
D"If Eden changed into your corruption – why does it remain? R" God took Eden back to heaven, the hole in the ground (dead Sea) is where Eden once was.
It comes back to the same hole, and Zion is a huge city.
D"for He knew what would come of the man He should make; R" So is Gnostic saying, God planned to have Adam sinned, so God could die for His sinnings?
D"O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood R" Gnostic presents a different gospel of things doesn't it?
D"DUH - Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” R" No mention of shedding blood, please try again?
D"Where is your SDA commentary on Col 1:16 All was created through Him and for Him.
R" Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities (arche) "firsts", or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
It says Jesus created all things for His glory. It does not say Jesus created sin or the sinning fruits of sin.
D"Where is your Ezk 28 foundation verse - you say your satan recreated himself from a good-guy angel - then you say your satan created evil and sin - Why doesn't Ellen White back you up? R" You are misquoting me, I never said the Opposer had to recreate himself. I also have never said the Opposer creates evil and creates sin.
Sin is something a creature does, chooses to, the bad from sin is something we do, no creative powers involved. The opposer is a spoiler who spoils.
D"Why doesn't Ellen White back you up?
Rob quotes Ellen White"
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love—homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.
But there was one that chose to pervert this freedom. Sin originated with him who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled. “Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering.... Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15. ....Desire of Ages page 15
Rob " Notice God's words through Ellen the prophetess.
ALL creatures respond to love
The angel was FIRST (ache') next to Christ, of highest honour. Slowly decided to sin.
"So long as all created beings acknowledged the allegiance of love, there was perfect harmony throughout the universe of God. There was no note of discord to mar the celestial harmonies.
But a change came over this happy state. There was one who perverted the freedom that God had granted to His creatures. Sin originated with him, who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and was highest among the inhabitants of heaven. Lucifer, “son of the morning,” (Isaiah 14:12) was holy and undefiled. “Thus saith the Lord God: Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty... . Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so. Thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”
Little by little, Lucifer indulged the desire for self-exaltation. “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness” Ezekiel 28:12-15, 17. “Thou hast said in thine heart, ... I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; ... I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13, 14. Though honored above the heavenly host, he ventured to covet homage due alone to the Creator. This prince of angels aspired to power that was the prerogative of Christ alone.
Now the perfect harmony of heaven was broken. In heavenly council the angels pleaded with Lucifer. The Son of God presented before him the goodness and justice of the Creator and the unchanging nature of His law. In departing from it, Lucifer would dishonor his Maker and bring ruin upon himself. But the warning given in infinite love and mercy only aroused resistance. Lucifer allowed his jealousy of Christ to prevail, and became the more determined."
Hope this helps, I admire the way God penned the words above.
next to Christ, had been most honored of God and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was first (ache) of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled.
Col 1:16 For by Christ were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities (arche) "firsts", or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
The highest creature, the first angel, closest to Jesus, sat next to Jesus, wanted more....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 27, 2022 7:48:38 GMT -5
D"When he creates a thing – there is it – as is – no changing – no evolution of any kind PROVEN by the fossil record – creatures appear as is – live – then die out ZERO evolution – ZERO changing God’s creation – ZERO altering God’s design R" I see, explain how the dinosaurs that went into the ark in Noah's time came out into a different world, how did they survive? They couldn't survive with your design rigid plans....no changes allowed...Dave's view.No dinos on the ark – all destroyed by the flood – Extinction of the dino dates to the same time as the expanding ocean floor WEDD + FD-WEDT + Incremental Creation + The Logrythmic Days of CreationExplain the finch changes Darwin saw on those islands than, if the DNA of birds are rigid plans....no changes allowed...Dave's view.Proven as Darwin’s error in 1974 – variation within a species - do your homework (please note I do not accept evolution, but change, especially micro-change is a Creation idea, where an animal kind "fills the earth" as God asked them to.)ZERO evolution before the flood – ZERO evolution after the floodYou didn't discuss how lions can be vegetarian for a year during the war? Or how dogs in PNG live all their lives on rice? OK – here is my discussion – you are not well educated and make false claims Please google the difference between an obligate carnivore and an omnivore By a dictionary or go back to high schoolD"EVE moved toward WORLD – EVE chose WORLD R" so are you saying the world outside Eden was different to the world inside Eden, maybe the outside world had more RA? YES – Eden was the source of the 4 rivers that watered the earth YES – Eden was an oasis on the earth – a separate locality YES – when Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden – it remained and must be guarded IF it disappeared – how could Adam and Eve reenter it? IF it disappeared – what happened to the 4 riveres? Eden remains until the Floof of Noah
D"How can you choose something that does not exist – absolutely stupid doctrine R" Light switch, on I get light, OFF I get dark. Ooops – the light switches has TWO options ON and OFFYou argue that Adam and Eve on had the ON option – until Eve chose OFF – then OFF suddenly appears within them as an option You argue Eve had no (yester ra) until she chose (yester ra) then (yester ra) came into man – I used your words Repeat - D"D"How can you choose something that does not existSorry Dave, evil does not exist either. You have an entire doctrine based on the god of evil – but evil doesn’t exist?RP"In your view there was…, no other god to choose? D" ABSOLUTELY CORRECT – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GODR" Then there can be no opposing elohiym power before the Father's face can there? So the Father was delusional when His finger wrote the ten rules depicting the opposing elojhiym power wasn't He? Roberts word gameRepeat – there are not multiple gods in heaven waring against one another in heaven There is only ONE TRUE GOD and He is ABSOLUTEEverything else is a created thing of this world – the archon is semi-biological (made with some matter) The serpent was a biological creature King Solomon says they are biological creatures The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visible Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. The first commandment speaks of ‘other-gods’ Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” The first commandment speaks of ‘other-gods’The ‘other-gods’ of the ahl/OT = the 33 shedim of the Levant – Baal, Molech, Chermush, Dogon, etc, etc ANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time – so you have no time for the Holy Spirit = an ‘other-god’There is no sin that makes the sinner oppose the Father.NO ONE CAN OPPOSE GOD – NO ONE CAN CHANGE GOD – NO ONE CAN TURN GODANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time – so you have no time for the Holy Spirit = an ‘other-god’ Caesar – was an ‘other-god’ – he was never face to face opposing the Creator – he was just a man full of himself After all the yester ra is created by the Father, therefore the Father must know personally evil. This is what your Gnostic view is saying. YES – GOD knows evil - DUH Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”D"Please explain how (yester tov) leads to PRIDE and SIN R" Scripture does not explain how sin came from a sinless mind, but it did very slowly over many years. (read the EGW quotes below for more) Sorry Robert SIN – happened all at once when Eve disobeyed God’s commandmentD"why was a guard placed at the entrance of EDEN to prevent Adam and Eve from returning there R" prevent access to tree of life D"If Eden changed into your corruption – why does it remain? R" God took Eden back to heaven, So you teach man can enter heaven whenever he chooses? Tell me how we can do that? So consistent – so well thought outD"for He knew what would come of the man He should make; R" So is Gnostic saying, God planned to have Adam sinned, so God could die for His sinnings?STOP MISSREPRESENTING MR SERIOUSGod is omniscient – He knows everything forward and backwards God knew what man would do – but has the GRACE and the LOVE to allow man to make his own choices You teach an ignorant god – that has to react to unexpected events out of His control You teach an ignorant god – that your satan god can force to change things D"O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood R" Gnostic presents a different gospel of things doesn't it? Judaism, Christianity, and NHL Gnostic all teach that man dies because of SIND"DUH - Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!” R" No mention of shedding blood, please try again? Just another Robert word game – grow up D"Where is your SDA commentary on Col 1:16 All was created through Him and for Him. Rob quotes Ellen White" The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, … He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service. AgreedBut there was one that chose to pervert this freedom. Sin originated with him who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. SIN and Death was brought into this world through Eve I will accept scripture over the words of any man or womanRom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. Before his fall, Lucifer was first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled.” Ezekiel 28:12-15. ....Desire of Ages page 15 www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/index.cfm?recnum=1866Catechism of the Catholic Church - II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELSRob " Notice God's words through Ellen the prophetess. NOTICE ELLEN WHITE REGURGITATING CATHOLIC CATACHISM
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 17:34:28 GMT -5
D" No dinos on the ark – all destroyed by the flood – R" ....you're following false ideas. Evidence of dinosaurs living today. Chinese saw and use dinosaurs, ie dragon animal Loch ness is a dinosaur PNG have reptile dinosaurs flying still African dino sightings in swamps still. Humans carved the dino on rocks, temples, etc. D" Extinction of the dino dates to the same time as the expanding ocean floorR So you say the dino never go on the boat? D" variation within a species of FinchesR" What does this mean Dave, ...– ZERO changing God’s creation – ZERO altering God’s design Please explain? D" ZERO evolution before the flood – ZERO evolution after the floodR" OK so how come we cross lion and tiger and get a weird animal, or a donkey and horse and get a mule? Or make different breeds of dogs and sheep and cattle? My view is a kind can be changed within its design, so GOD allowed changes within the kind, not evolution, the design changes are already wired in the DNA. Explain you view please. D" Please google the difference between an obligate carnivore and an omnivoreR: Oh so now we have subtle changes to your science terms. Give me examples of your so called true carnivores, that have always been carnivores? SO the lion is an ominivore, so is the dog. I see. So is the mozzie, and so it the spider. In fact all animals were once herbivore and became omnivore. You are twisting the science and the Bible D" IF it disappeared – what happened to the 4 riveres? Eden remains until the Floof of NoahR" cannot answer....duno D" Ooops – the light switches has TWO options ON and OFFR" Oooops free will always comes in TWO options, OBEY and DISOBEY D" You argue that Adam and Eve on had the ON option – until Eve chose OFF – then OFF suddenly appears within them as an optionR" Yes correct, that is how sin works. D" You argue Eve had no (yester ra) until she chose (yester ra) then (yester ra) came into man – I used your wordsR" Eve had free will, sin has to be developed over a long time of process and time. Sin is not an event. In order for Eve to have develop sinning so rapidly the opposes has to be sinning in the first place, hence what she said, He deceived me. If the creature never sinned speaking to Her, she would not have sinned either. The first sinning took hundreds of years to occur, something unknown, the free will choosing to switch off. D"D" How can you choose something that does not existR" good question. Dunno D" You have an entire doctrine based on the god of evil – but evil doesn’t exist?R" No Dave, the oppose is no god of evil. False idea. The opposer opposes the true elohiym yes, thus there is a false elohiym power before the Fathers face, The ten commandements says so. What can this power do ? Only sin. Where does the RA come from ? The Father creates the RA, because evil on it's own does not exist. Einstein says evil does not exist. youtu.be/JnUOLbHRQ8EListen to this video, spare 2 minutes of your time. It will change your life thinking. D" Roberts word game Repeat – there are not multiple gods in heaven waring against one another in heavenR" There was once " Re 12 "war in heaven" you ignore this too? D" Everything else is a created thing of this world – the archon is semi-biological (made with some matter) The serpent was a biological creature King Solomon says they are biological creatures The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visibleR" Where does the Moses torah say the SHAD can be killed? Prophet Ezekiel you ignore, Exodus 20 you ignore Rev 12 you ignore Eph 3 you ignore Do you even support the Moses torah? no it seems You support Gnostic books.... D" Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. The first commandment speaks of ‘other-gods’R" Yes that exist when Sabbath was existed... the day before Man existed... D" Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” The first commandment speaks of ‘other-gods’R" twist, what about "gods" before man? D" The ‘other-gods’ of the ahl/OT = the 33 shedim of the Levant – Baal, Molech, Chermush, Dogon, etc, etcR" Where did these SHAD come from Dave? D" ANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time – so you have no time for the Holy Spirit = an ‘other-god’R" Another twist. Exodus 20 clearly speaks of other elohym power existing at same time Sabbath existed. Who are these Dave? D" There is no sin that makes the sinner oppose the Father. NO ONE CAN OPPOSE GOD – NO ONE CAN CHANGE GOD – NO ONE CAN TURN GOD
R" well well well, now Dave really goofed. Sin is the only thing that opposes God Dave.
Any creature that sins opposes GOD Dave. Look at the first command. Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Clearly there are opposing elohiym powers before the Father. Dave denies this. Dave denies sin opposes the Father. In fact sin is what makes you become an opposing elohiym power. D" ANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time R" No Dave, not anything else, you blame matter / world for distracting you. No the first ten commandment law is about pride. Pride is the opposite of humble. Pride is opposing the other in relationship. Humble is looking after the other in relationship. If you develop pride, the relationship strains. Pride is developed slowly over time until it breaks into a sin of rebellion and the relationship ends. So there was pride in some other creature long before man existed with the Sabbath. Who? Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty... Bingo, pride. Who did this ? Both the king of Tyre, a human, and the poetry simile, a cherub. Both were guardians. Both developed pride. Both sinned. Pride by definition opposes relationship. Its an attitude that opposes the other. D" YES – GOD knows evil - DUHR" Again scripture says not to grapple with difficult things, so I have no comments regarding the great uncaused cause. My two pennies is God does not do sin, nor breaks his own laws. But can predict sinning in others, because God knows all things. D" Sorry Robert SIN – happened all at once when Eve disobeyed God’s commandmentR" NO, Eve could not have sinned suddenly unless a sinning agent was present to speed up the process of sinning in her mind. Ge 3:13 ..And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat The serpent tricked her into sinning by sinning Himself Peer group pressure speeds up the sinning process of the "innocent and gullible". D" So you teach man can enter heaven whenever he chooses? Tell me how we can do that?R" no, where did you get that idea from me? D" God is omniscient – He knows everything forward and backwardsR" I agree Dp" D"O Adam, as thou hast shed thy blood Rp" Gnostic presents a different gospel of things doesn't it?D" Judaism, Christianity, and NHL Gnostic all teach that man dies because of SINR" shedding blood is different to dying, is it not? Rp" No mention of shedding blood, please try again?D" Just another Robert word game – grow upR" sorry, is this an idiom of yours? If you wish to communicate remove idioms or I will not understand, I too can flog my dog and eat tucker willy nilly, but me mate will not understand me? D" NOTICE ELLEN WHITE REGURGITATING CATHOLIC CATACHISMR" Ellen White visited the Waldensians in 1800's , she knew of their Bible, and how they spoke of the Devil. All known before Roman edit hundreds of years later. Chinese also speak of devil hundreds of years before a Jew existed. Noah talk them. You support a GNostic book, different to Moses book. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 27, 2022 23:53:46 GMT -5
D"No dinos on the ark – all destroyed by the flood – R" ....you're following false ideas. Evidence of dinosaurs living today. DUH – yes there are large reptiles alive today
R So you say the dino never go on the boat? D Extinction of the dino dates to the same time as the expanding ocean floor Also correlates with the iridium line and the chalk layer
D"variation within a species of Finches R" What does this mean Dave, Please explain? You really need to buy a text book – Darwin’s Finches proved variation within a species There is variation with a species in almost all species – some men are – fat/skinny – hersuit and bald – small enough to be a jockey and large enough to be a sumo wrestler
You should read the story of the Mandingo African slaves deliberately bread to be larger and stronger Today we call them football players and basketball stars They did not become a new species (genotype) they just express variation within (phenotype)
D"ZERO evolution before the flood – ZERO evolution after the flood R" OK so how come we cross lion and tiger and get a weird animal, or a donkey and horse and get a mule? (google) Although they rarely meet in the wild, lions and tigers are still so closely related that they are able to interbreed, and in captivity they occasionally do. But successful interbreeding is the key, and the hybrid offspring are usually sterile and short-lived.
Mules – also cannot reprodce
Or make different breeds of dogs and sheep and cattle? Breads express variation within a phenotype NOT genotype Each and every breed of dog is still a dog Each and every bread of cow is still a cow Each and every bread of sheep is still a sheep
Explain you view please. I accept God’s as Creator – when He creates a thing – there it is whole – it lives - and it dies ZERO evolution – ZERO changing from one species to another
D"Please google the difference between an obligate carnivore and an omnivore R: Oh so now we have subtle changes to your science terms. Give me examples of your so called true carnivores, that have always been carnivores? You won’t even look up your own 8th grade science – so serious
D"IF it disappeared – what happened to the 4 riveres? Eden remains until the Flood of Noah R" cannot answer....duno D"So you teach man can enter heaven whenever he chooses? Tell me how we can do that? R" no, where did you get that idea from me? 1- Eden was taken up to heaven 2- but the entrance must be guarded to prevent Adam and Eve from entering 3- Therefore you teach Adam and Eve could enter heaven at will D"So you teach man can enter heaven whenever he chooses? Tell me how we can do that? R" no, where did you get that idea from me? Do you even know what you preach?
D"Ooops – the light switches has TWO options ON and OFF R" Oooops free will always comes in TWO options, OBEY and DISOBEY YES – AGREE – Man = the creature with the Free Will choice between (yester tov) and (yester ra)
R" Eve had free will, sin has to be developed over a long time of process and time. Sin is not an event. It only took ONE BITE
In order for Eve to have develop sinning so rapidly the opposes has to be sinning in the first place, hence what she said, He deceived me. If the creature never sinned speaking to Her, she would not have sinned either. THERE IT IS – it is satan’s fault I asked you to decide – who is at fault – I say it is Eve’s Fault – scripture places the burden upon EVE
Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned.
You want it to be satan’s fault – so you have a scapegoat for your own choices Not my fault – satan made me do it – will not save you in the end STOP REWRITING SCRIPTURE
D"Roberts word game Repeat – there are not multiple gods in heaven waring against one another in heaven R" There was once " Re 12 "war in heaven" you ignore this too? NOPE – Creation began in Gen 1:1 and your war was over by Gen 1:3 NOPE – creation began in Rev 12:1 and your war was over by Rev 12:9
The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visible R" Where does the Moses torah say the SHAD can be killed? The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visible
D"Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. The first commandment speaks of ‘other-gods’ R" Yes that exist when Sabbath was existed... the day before Man existed... Actually – 5 days before man was created
D"The ‘other-gods’ of the ahl/OT = the 33 shedim of the Levant – Baal, Molech, Chermush, Dogon, etc, etc R" Where did these SHAD come from Dave? Judaism’s answer = Jewish demonology → King Solomon → Beelzebul → shedim
D"ANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time – so you have no time for the Holy Spirit = an ‘other-god’ R" Another twist. Exodus 20 clearly speaks of other elohym power existing at same time Sabbath existed. Who are these Dave? The Beast of Revelation - the serpent race – the archon - DUH
D"ANYTHING that takes all of your focus – all of your attention – all of your time R" No Dave, not anything else, you blame matter / world for distracting you. YES – ABSOLUTELY AGREE -
The WORLD IS A DISTRACTION – demands of the world upon the flesh consume our attention / becomes our focus
(yester ra) = materialism – WORLD (yester tov) = spirituality – serving the Lord - Jer 1:5
Example – Elon Musk claims to work 20hrs a day 7 days a week – he has accomplished much Workaholic – cars, electronics, AI, coding, Robotics, SpaceX, Neural-net, Starlink – AMAZING (YESTER RA) in spades – WORLD + WORLD + WORLD + WORLD – nothing evil or malicious about it – just material progress – go forth subdue / conquer / dominate
If he spends ZERO time with GOD (yester tov) – he misses the opportunity to know God – bingo
Example – Caesar was a genius – he worked 24/7 all his life to achieve, administrator, manager, emperor, statistician, commander, warrior, killer, murderer to subdue / conquer / and have dominion Instead of spending time with GOD – he declared himself to be a god – he misses – bingo (YESTER RA) in spades – WORLD + WORLD + ending with ‘aven’ / evil / maximum greed/lust for wealth and power
If he spends ZERO time with GOD (yester tov) – he misses the opportunity to know God + disobedience / SIN
No the first ten commandment law is about pride. – Caesar was just a man
Pride is the opposite of humble. - Caesar was just a man
Pride is opposing the other in relationship - If he spends ZERO time with GOD (yester tov) – he misses the opportunity to know God
So there was pride in some other creature long before man existed with the Sabbath. Who? Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
D"YES – GOD knows evil – DUH Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” R" Again scripture says not to grapple with difficult things, so I have no comments regarding the great uncaused cause. My two pennies is God does not do sin, nor breaks his own laws. But can predict sinning in others, because God knows all things. What does your answer have to do with your statement?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 16:05:11 GMT -5
D Extinction of the dino dates to the same time as the expanding ocean floorR" Explain Marco Polo saw triclops pulling Chinese's emperor in 12 century AD I think this date is OK? Explain the Sauropod carving on temples? Made up ? no Explain the ica stone carving, detailed pictures, ? Made up? No Sighting of flying dino reptiles in PNG Sightings of Sauropods in Africa swamps, not verified by white man sadly. What do you think a Chinese dragon was? D" You really need to buy a text book – Darwin’s Finches proved variation within a species They did not become a new species (genotype) they just express variation within (phenotype)R" SO you support micro-changes within a kind, like I do? How nice you come round to my view. Don't write so dogmatically " When he creates a thing – there is it – as is – no changing " you should have written, " God created creatures to have lots of variety within each kind, so their phenotype could express themselves to fill different microclimates and envirnoments and possibly different food sources as required, but they could not change geneotypes or become new family groups, as evolution teaches." Not all animals have this ability of small changes, the Mexican salamander for instance lived in one place in the world. D" Breeds express variation within a phenotype NOT genotypeR" Oh so you do align with my view of Creation now? D" ZERO changing from one species to anotherR" Zero changing from one " kind" to another, please use the Hebrew word, not some human invented term. RP" Give me examples of your so called true carnivores, that have always been carnivores?D" Y ou won’t even look up your own 8th grade science – so seriousR" So from this I am to conclude all animals were herbivores and some became omnivores? All worms were free living, some chose to become parasites, due to God cursing creation when Adam sinned. D"3- Therefore you teach Adam and Eve could enter heaven at willR" your logic is strange, Adam and Eve never left earth... they died before the flood, and so the Garden was taken back to heaven after they died, during the flood. D" Do you even know what you preachR" I do, you make up stuff about me. D" YES – AGREE – R" OK why can't all creatures have free will, by this idea all animals have intelligence, can talk, speak and respond to God's love? SO the cow has intelligence, can talk and praise God, and has love, can love and be loved. Only cannot choose salvation from yester ra spoiling it's mind, unlike man, who can. Why can't all animals have this function? Why do you limit man to the only creature who loves and can love? Why do you exclude angels from such love? Why do you insist God loves robots? RP " If the creature never sinned speaking to Her, she would not have sinned either.D" THERE IT IS – it is satan’s faultR" No Dave, sinning is always a choice. But for Eve to have sinned so rapidly there must be a sin-agent involved. You deny the serpent sinned....you deny the serpent has free will to sin....you deny the serpent is an fallen cherub with free will... You deny the serpent is a false elohiym power opposing the Father. When Jeff Benner says the serpent deceived the woman with the truth, this is a lie and a twist, deceiving somebody is a false report, and hence wounding them. It's a sin to make a false report. Car salesman lie all the time, they make false reports. SO do politicians, they lie all the time, trained to lie in fact. Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. A sinless creature always edifies, upholds the complete truth without causing the other to fall. The serpent could not do that, you at least argue the Father created "yester ra" in the serpent, so all it could do is "move away from God".... this notion is false.... A twisting head "aram" is not ALL "yester ra" ONLY, but a subtle sly use of mixing "yester tov with yester ra" in order to deceive people to give up something.... The serpent knew both tov and ra, but he loves the ra, (free will to chose) never the tov, he twists.... how else could the serpent deceive with the truth, so Jeff is saying the serpent knew yester tov as well, thus is an elohiym power, knowing good and evil... Explain how the serpent could be Aram if it only could speak yester ra? It was clever, it knew tov and explained tov in a way to deceive, promoting RA. That makes the aram a sinning creature. All other contexts of Aram are sinning creatures, line upon line, here and there, method.... but Dave ignore the aram verse. D" I say it is Eve’s Fault – scripture places the burden upon EVERom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man "masculine" and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. R" It says " man" Hebrew is masculine, not feminine, in the presence of man and woman, the masculine is always quoted first. Adam caused the kingdom to fall, when He ate, not his partner. He was prince, not her. D" You want it to be satan’s fault – so you have a scapegoat for your own choicesR" Hmm? you do not understand what a medium is and what an agent is. Why does God ask the host, who will go and help King Ahab sin more in 1 Kings? Answer, Agent is involved. The agent functions as a lying medium, the HS allows different agents to flow. So if a sinner wishes to sin, God allows you to reap what you choose to sow, so the agent comes to rule over you. Why does Scripture speak of two masters? They function as agents. Why does Jesus speak of the lukewarm supports, because they listen to two agents, and not one. D" STOP REWRITING SCRIPTURER" Try learning Scripture more and drop Gnostic books. Try these verses Ga 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Heb 9:15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death. So Jesus functions as an agent, via the medium of the HS, to bring us salvation. The Father asked His Son to do this. He gave His life from His friends. "Life for life" for mischief. And the mischief maker, does He also become an agent for sin? Yes, the Lord invites Him to.' 1Ki 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? Only Satan, as an agent, as a lying medium, agrees to go. You assume the agent is commissioned to go... No I say the agent is given permission to go. The Father is in control of the SIN problem at all times, even when the opposer challenges the Father to let go of His protective hedge, with Job for example, the Father allowed the opposer to have freedom within it's own power. But what kind of creature is this creature? An agent for sinning. As Jesus termed it, a f ather of lies and a murderer from the beginning. D" NOPE – Creation began in Gen 1:1 and your war was over by Gen 1:3 NOPE – creation began in Rev 12:1 and your war was over by Rev 12:9R" OK I will bite your word game, according to Schreoder whom you love, between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:3 is how many millions of years Dave? You just wrote the war began and was over, but the war did occur, correct? Stop trying to whittle away the truth.... The fact is there was once an opposing elohym power in heaven, opposing the Father in heaven, now the eloiyhiym power is on earth, opposing the Father in heaven, because it opposes salvation to humans on earth, the Father loves to save humans on earth, but the opposing elohiym powers wish to extinguish the Father's religion on the earth. D" The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visibleR" Does this book speak of the origin of the SHAD? D" Actually – 5 days before man was createdR" I thought God created man on 6th day, the day before Sabbath? RP" Where did these SHAD come from Dave?D" Judaism’s answer = Jewish demonology → King Solomon → Beelzebul → shedimR" Dave cannot answer where the SHAD came from....no origin? So Gnostic books cannot explain the origin of SHAD? aborted fetus became arrogant inherent yester ra from its inception this is your origin, the Father created the SHAD for testing human free will. Gnostic view of this is sick.... God's Moses view is different Opposer is before the Father's face Exodus 20 Tree is set up to symbolize the opposer Gen 3 The serpent is aram, twisting head, knowing good and evil The serpent deceives Eve to sin. In Ezekiel the origin of the opposer is a first cherub who chose to sin. War in heaven ejected to earth' War continues on earth over humans and with God. D" 3:00 – Belzebul is put to work – helping to build the templeR" Why would God allow pure evil to build tov? I thought you said the SHAD only have RA in them, how come now they can do TOV? Do any of your words make logic consistent sense? no D" The WORLD IS A DISTRACTIONR" Why didn't the serpent offer Eve a world than? Instead he only offered her words that deceived? D"Elon Musk claims to work 20hrs a day 7 days a week – he has accomplished much Workaholic – cars, electronics, AI, coding, Robotics, SpaceX, Neural-net, Starlink – AMAZINGR" These are examples of TOV, functional complexity. He just does not give God praise for his TOV. (so he sins in his pride) D" he misses the opportunity to know God – bingoR" yes D" Instead of spending time with GOD – he declared himself to be a god – he misses – bingoR" yes --------------------------------------------- Why does Dave fail to discuss pride?" Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'." Is this passage in Gnostic torah ABOUT pride? The first sin, and attitude that opposes God and finally breaks relationship, but no comment from Dave?
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Post by Dave on Jul 28, 2022 21:56:21 GMT -5
D Extinction of the dino dates to the same time as the expanding ocean floor What do you think a Chinese dragon was? We had a long discussion about what the dragons were and why their fossil bones don’t exist
D"You really need to buy a text book – Darwin’s Finches proved variation within a species They did not become a new species (genotype) they just express variation within (phenotype) R" SO you support micro-changes within a kind, like I do? How nice you come round to my view. YES – every geneticist knows all about variations within a speciesSome men are 8’ tall – some men are midget – some men are Dwarf Some women have an 55EE cup some have a 30A cup Some men wear size 13 shoe – some wear small shoes No men ever became a different speciesDon't write so dogmatically "When he creates a thing – there is it – as is – no changing " YEP – I fully believe and accept creation D"Breeds express variation within a phenotype NOT genotype R" Oh so you do align with my view of Creation now? There was no evolution – a rapid speciation (Don Patton’s term) after the flood Creation stopped at the end pf Day 6 – No new species created
RP" Give me examples of your so called true carnivores, that have always been carnivores? D" You won’t even look up your own 8th grade science – so serious R" So from this I am to conclude all animals were herbivores and some became omnivores? NO – You can assume anything you desire from this you were to google the terminology that you use and realize your 8th grade science is flawedD"3- Therefore you teach Adam and Eve could enter heaven at will R" your logic is strange, Adam and Eve never left earth... they died before the flood, and so the Garden was taken back to heaven after they died, during the flood. Thank you for changing you story – you began saying that all of the earth was Eden and then it all corrupted – now you realize the error of your teaching and realize that Eden was a separate locality on the earth – as oasis The only thing that change on earth = the location of Adam and Eve - they moved RP " If the creature never sinned speaking to Her, she would not have sinned either. D" THERE IT IS – it is satan’s fault R" No Dave, sinning is always a choice. But for Eve to have sinned so rapidly there must be a sin-agent involved. YES – Eve chose alone all by herself – her choices were hers alone It is NOT satan’s fault – SIN did not originate with your satan Eve was at fault – SIN and death entered the world through EveCar salesman lie all the time, they make false reports. FACT – if the salesman lies – you can sue him in a court of law If he deceives you – you are guilty of being stupid and uninformedD"NOPE – Creation began in Gen 1:1 and your war was over by Gen 1:3 NOPE – creation began in Rev 12:1 and your war was over by Rev 12:9 R" OK I will bite your word game, according to Schreoder whom you love, between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:3 is how many millions of years Dave? ANSWER – unknow because TIME IS NOT LINEARRobert says – the entire war started and was over within 24hrsYou just wrote the war began and was over, but the war did occur, correct? Your war was the archon being ejected from heaven because they don’t belong there- D"The Book of Jubilees says they are biological creatures that can be killed when visible R" Does this book speak of the origin of the SHAD? NO – King Solomon and John the author of a Gospel, 3 epistles, and the Book of RevelationRP" Where did these SHAD come from Dave? D" Judaism’s answer = Jewish demonology → King Solomon → Beelzebul → shedim R" Dave cannot answer where the SHAD came from....no origin? Beelzebul is the offspring of an ARCH-ANGEL and he fathered offspring And Beelzebul is under the control of the angel Uriel All King SolomonAll consistent with the demonology of the levant All consistent ith the Jinn of Islam All consistent with the Gnostic archonNOT consistent with your Catholic satan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 13:20:59 GMT -5
D"ANSWER – unknow because TIME IS NOT LINEAR Robert says – the entire war started and was over within 24hrs R" I never said that, that is your view.
My view is the angel sinned over a million years long before man existed, maybe a million years before man existed. You have all things created once.
I have a view of many creations, a dozen maybe, and this one creation was for man, and for the sinning angels banished to earth, to resolve the SIN problem.
You have earth created during Creation.
I don't. I have earth uncreated during Creation. It already existed. Created by some earlier creation.
It was formless and void because sinning angels lived there.
I have mentioned all this before. You forget?
I notice you did not answer my question.
RP" Does this book speak of the origin of the SHAD? D" NO – King Solomon and John the author of a Gospel, 3 epistles, and the Book of Revelation R" so I repeat, you have no origin of the Shad?
Funny the book of Ezekiel 28 does.
D"And Beelzebul is under the control of the angel Uriel All King Solomon All consistent with the demonology of the levant All consistent ith the Jinn of Islam All consistent with the Gnostic archon NOT consistent with your Catholic satan R: " I see. So the chief SHAD, Beelzebul is under the control of the angel Uriel, was created by God and was placed under angel Uriel command? SO does GOD have slaves in heaven, creatures under the control of angels?
And now these yester ra creatures are allowed to do havoc to humans on earth?
And this is fair and an act of love, to test humans love response?
So if an angel allows a SHAD to rape a woman, that makes the woman freely choose to love God forever? I see.
I have seen in some cases what rape does to woman by men, I assume under the control of SHAD, and there is no love free will response to turn back to God. Such woman hate God... or at least lukewarm to Him?
Jesus cast our many SHAD from humans, this is a grateful respond of love on the one as a victim.
Would they feel that way if they know God had intentionally sent the SHAD to possess them, so God could later free them?
Is that your function of God, to enslave people and later free them? I do not see this as a love function as all. It's distorts the love character of God does it not? ------------------------
I quote a messanic message today (emailed to me)
God Restores His People Just as in the ancient days of Israel, God’s desire is to bring correction in order that people will repent and turn back to Him and live in righteousness; for it is not God’s will that even one person should perish. We see this with Manasseh. God allowed him to be taken captive, but even he received God’s mercy and restoration after sincerely repenting: “In his distress he sought the favor of the LORD his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his ancestors. And when he prayed to Him, the LORD was moved by His entreaty and listened to his plea. So He brought him back to Jerusalem and to his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the LORD is God.” (2 Chronicles 33:12–13) Although a nation as a whole may still suffer the consequences of the collective sins of the people, God does show mercy and restores each individual person who sincerely humbles himself, calls on His name, and repents (2 Corinthians 7:10). Therefore, let us make ourselves ready by genuinely turning from our sins and re-establishing His ways in our lives. Further, God will grant everlasting life to those who believe that Yeshua cleansed them from their sins with His blood once and for all. “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16) Those who believe are now free to live not as slaves to the sins of the ruler of the world, but as citizens of His Kingdom. So ready yourself and keep an upward gaze — looking for the soon coming of the Son of Man — Yeshua, our Messiah and Redeemer. "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.” (Revelation 22:12) Messanic Message emailed 30 July 2022
Notice Dave the Messanic message speaks of us as slaves to the sins of the RULER of this world.
What is a ruler, and the sins of the RULER of this world?
AN opposing elohiym power.
This messanic message supports my view, not your view.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2022 15:13:05 GMT -5
D"ANSWER – unknow because TIME IS NOT LINEAR Robert says – the entire war started and was over within 24hrs R" I never said that, that is your view. WHAT! – What happened to you 6 24hr days? Mr Consistant
RP" Does this book speak of the origin of the SHAD? D" NO – King Solomon and John the author of a Gospel, 3 epistles, and the Book of Revelation R" so I repeat, you have no origin of the Shad?
D"And Beelzebul is under the control of the angel Uriel SO does GOD have slaves in heaven, creatures under the control of angels? THERE YOU GO – THE ARCHON ARE NOT IN HEAVEN! They a created bilogical beings within physical creation
And now these yester ra creatures are allowed to do havoc to humans on earth? And this is fair and an act of love, to test humans love response? YES – (yester ra) creatures do havoc on man Cows push the fence down – eat your garden Deer live in the corn field ruining your crops Terminates are in your house destroying your erquity Parisites invade you food and body
So if an angel allows a SHAD to rape a woman, that makes the woman freely choose to love God forever? I see. So serious – why is this your reoccurring example – you you have SIN you need to confess There was no rape in the Gen 6 story – the archon changed their form to be receptive to the women
I quote a messanic message today (emailed to me) Just as in the ancient days of Israel, God’s desire is to bring correction in order that people will repent and turn back to Him and live in righteousness; for it is not God’s will that even one person should perish.
Although a nation as a whole may still suffer the consequences of the collective sins of the people, God does show mercy and restores each individual person who sincerely humbles himself, calls on His name, and repents (2 Corinthians 7:10).
Yes – true Judaism has always been very personal to the individual – and very Christian in nature
Further, God will grant everlasting life to those who believe that Yeshua cleansed them from their sins with His blood once and for all. Their sins – not satan’s
Those who believe are now free to live not as slaves to the sins of the ruler of the world, but as citizens of His Kingdom. THERE YOU GO BLAMING IT IN YOUR satan - the sins of the ruler
Notice Dave the Messanic message speaks of us as slaves to the sins of the RULER of this world. Where – you read what you want it to say
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