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Post by Dave on Jul 5, 2022 15:10:05 GMT -5
D" Why don’t you understand your own translation? The Robert method is flawed – error – garbage – misleading – you change scripture into anything you want it to say R" Not so, I follow Jeff Benner as nearly always on this, he says the term chataah is not just "error" but the idea of sacrifice to atone for those errors. . This is in English correctly Ex 30:10 - THis verse has three contexts for the same words "chata" and "chataah" Ex 32:30 - But so does this Ex 32:30 - Is it simply as Jeff translates Ex 32:30 ... I shall make an atonement for your error. To me Jeff's English idea, removes the atonement process, and the idea of a sin bearer. D"I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY REWRITING SCRIPTURER" When a sinner sins, he had to in the OT torah sacrifice a pet lamb thus confessing his sin unto the lamb, and the lamb when killed caused your sins to be lifted away. The sin was thus transferred into the earthly sanctuary.1 – a sin offering does not have to be a lamb – it is Korbats 2- YES – sin offerings were offered as sacrifices – for sin (G266) 3- YES – you made the point = we all believe that Jesus Christ was a “Sin-Offering” for OUR SIN (G266)What does your POINT B – have to do with my Question AYou are preaching contradictory gobbelty gook How does your comments prove that the Greek word #266 = a sin offering Sin (G266) was brought into the world by a “sin-offering” a sacrifice for sin The High priest my make an atonement – for the “sin-offerings” (G266) of the people AND our High-Priest (Jesus Christ) is without “Sin-offering” (G266) D "All you have proven - is that your Robert Method is error and adds to your confusion Then why can’t you explain your own Robert Method translation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 4:12:00 GMT -5
Sorry to have confused you....
You posted that the archons are created by God the Father to be deceiving creatures tempting humans to sin against God the Father.
Isn't this a conflict of interest? If you love something, why tempt it to not love you? It does not make you choose to love you more, in fact it would cause the lovee to love you less, as you are being a tyrant in your demands for love.
Second creating a RA creature, who sins but this is not considered sin by you, is really against the concept of a loving Father in the first place.
Third you ignore the Gnostic words I show you , the archon sinned in its entirety.
You say the archons don't sin. Oh yes they do, the serpent sinned plenty getting Eve to be deceived. You cannot deceive somebody unless you also sin yourself.
I am astounded by your illogical blinded twisting you do.
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Post by Dave on Jul 6, 2022 7:29:44 GMT -5
Sorry to have confused you....
Where is your answer – please explain to me why your Robert method makes a sin offering a sin This is the 4th time I have asked you to explain yourself
YOU POST NO ANSWER OR EXPLAINATION – you just change the topic -again Which is why a discussion with you goes nowhere and is a waste of time
You post doctrine as a fact - your Robert method proves it Why can't you explain it or defend it because you know your Robert error has let you down again and are embarrased to admit it Your silly word games just cause you confusion and you lead your word chain to make it agree with your view - you use circular reasioning - which is why you only have one verse
Angels have free will - your proof - Ezk 28 - your satan changed his form and function How is your satan able to change his form and function - your proof - Ezk 28 - angels have free will and around the circle you chance the same argument
You posted that the archons are created by God the Father to be deceiving creatures tempting humans to sin against God the Father.
Isn't this a conflict of interest? If you love something, why tempt it to not love you? It does not make you choose to love you more, in fact it would cause the lovee to love you less, as you are being a tyrant in your demands for love.
Yes God is a tyrant when it comes to sin – one sin and you are deemed a sinner Just ask Adam and Eve Fact – God test his people to see if they will keep His commandments or not precept upon precept, line upon line - many verse supporting the idea that God test His people and proves His chosen Why do you deny scripture?
Second creating a RA creature, who sins but this is not considered sin by you, is really against the concept of a loving Father in the first place. You just keep saying this after 3 years here – you have learned zero vocabulary And you intentionally misrepresent my teaching so it sounds like error Second creating a (yester ra) creature, who promotes (yester ra) but this is not considered sin by you, (yester ra) is not a sin – it is a commandment by God to go forth be fruitful and multiply Why do you deny the commandemt of God Why do you teach that all animals are forced to sin by God Why do you refuse to seperate (yester ra) from the word evil Why do you prefer word games over Gospel message
is really against the concept of a loving Father in the first place. Why do you refuse to acknowledge (yester ra) Why do you claim that God’s commandment to creation is a sin?
Third you ignore the Gnostic words I show you , the archon sinned in its entirety. YES – Robert – the archon are arrogant (yester ra)
You say the archons don't sin. Oh yes they do, the serpent sinned plenty getting Eve to be deceived. No one agrees with you – not even your Jeff Brenner - or scripture
You say the archons don't sin. Why do you misrepresent me – it is your only defense
The Beast = 100% (yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want Lust – in itself is NOT a sin – go forth and reproduce is the commandment – survival of the species Desire – greed – want – in themselves are not sin – it is the commandment to go forth and be successful
(yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want is NOT a sin – it is the necessary driving force that causes man to grow – progress – build – achieve – learn technology – uses technology
The commandment to man = go forth be fruitful and multiple + dominate
(yester ra) – lust – desire – greed – and want → LEADS to sin
The serpent lied (NOT A SIN) - Eve lied (NOT A SIN) Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, (NOT A SIN) and that it was pleasant to the eyes (NOT A SIN), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (NOT A SIN), she took of the fruit thereof (NOT A SIN), and did eat,(SIN = disobeying God or transgressing His commandment) and gave also unto her husband with her (NOT A SIN); and he did eat. (NOW HE SINNED = disobeying God or transgressing His commandment)
The Beast = 100% (yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want It has offspring – as all Best are commanded to do They promote / suggest / tease / tempt (yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want
As bane elohiym they promoted (yester ra) to the maximum of their ability Once they changed their appearance they were able to promote (yester ra) to the maximum of their ability
Genesis 6:1-4 = The bane elohiym changed their appearance to father the Nephilim Genesis 6:1-4 = Their sin is – reproducing after their own kind Genesis 6:1-4 = scripture says they corrupted all flesh – man and animal
Genesis 6:1-4 = Jude and Peter call this group – sinning angels Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch is translated as “Fallen Angels” - but it is still the same group Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch calls this group WATCHERS
Genesis 6:1-4 = Jude and Peter says this group is held in chains in a prison Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch says this group is held in chains in a prison – awaiting release to be use again
Dave adds – Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 16:48:26 GMT -5
D"Where is your answer – please explain to me why your Robert method makes a sin offering a sin
R" I will allow the Messanic to prove my words, they speak nicely
"The woman who brought death to our bodies and souls would become the “mother of life.” Her name would be Chava, a form of the word life (Genesis 3:20). Through her seed, a man would arrive and strike down the charming deceiver of death. God told this creature: “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.” (Genesis 3:15) Moreover, this man would become an offering for our sin (Isaiah 53:10). Who is this man? How would we know Him when He comes? There is no one Scripture that answers this question, yet some passages tell us more than others, such as the entire chapter of Isaiah 53."
Did you notice the words "Moreover, this man would become an offering for our sin (Isaiah 53:10). " This is a Messanic Jew confirming the "sin-offering" idea.
D"Which is why a discussion with you goes nowhere and is a waste of time R" Exactly, your brevity is a problem Dave, so much so I tire of reading your words because you never explain your view, you only mock mine.
D"because you know your "Dave" error has let you down again and are embarrased to admit it R" People speak of themselves Dave, how true are you words and your brevity.
D"Your silly word games just cause you confusion and you lead your word chain to make it agree with your view - you use circular reasioning - which is why you only have one verse R" I do not have one verse, the moral law, the ten commandments tells us there is an OPPOSER before the Father's face, otherwise He would not have etched the commandment in stone, that is eternal universal and binding, even to the Great Judge Himself, otherwise the Judge cannot judge fairly, so must keep and guard His own laws, something you disagree with.
I do not need one verse, this verses is the most powerful of them all and you break this commandment, by ignoring an opposing sinning elohiym power before the Father's face. I do not need other verses, like Ek 28, that just identifies who the opposing power is, fallen sinning angels. Something the Jews allude to anyway.
D"Yes God is a tyrant when it comes to sin – one sin and you are deemed a sinner Just ask Adam and Eve R" wrong again, God is no tyrant not even to sin.
If the first sinning angel decided to sin, why didn't he cease to exist? Because the Father loved him more than his sinning, so willed by grace to keep him alive.
But He continued sinning and wanted a kingdom of his own, so the Father gave Him one, and created a perfect world over it and around it, ie the earth, with billions of sinning angels on it.
Than God created man to witness against the sinning kingdom. Alas the opposing powers tempted man to sin, something GOD did not want to happen.
Love never wants to tempt you to sin, but sadly the opposing power tempted man to sin, after 33+ years of trying.
D"Fact – God test his people to see if they will keep His commandments or not R" Out of context Dave, this happens to sinners not sinless humans. The Father does not test a sinless human to sin.
Only does a sinner require testing because he is daily living by faith and that faith requires processing and endurance to be completed, ie experiences, faith is not a gift of power, but a gift of experiencing power, ie one must process the gift by testing.
Why the testing command in the garden than? because there were two elohiym powers there in the garden, ie two trees. Man was to choose which elohiym power they wanted.
D" precept upon precept, line upon line - many verse supporting the idea that God test His people R" There are not many verses about sinless humans being tested, you are wrong again. Maybe only Adam and Eve, tested.
D"Why do you deny scripture? R" Why don't you read the context before you mock?
D"(yester ra) is not a sin – it is a commandment by God to go forth be fruitful and multiply R" Are you blind, go forth and ,multiply, the lion eats meat and kills animals all natural RA to you, even the shark eats and kills fish, all that to go forth be fruitful and multiply command to you, no sinning, no death, just all natural RA.... what bunkum you think.
D" Why do you teach that all animals are forced to sin by God R" Animals do not sin because they are forced to, they sin because they have God missing from their DNA potential and hence their programming is cursed. Missing means missing God in their daily life, we term it a sin. Adam was incharge of all Creation, when He sinned, all Creation under went missing, including the atoms of Creation. So rather than a man made term "sin", the broader term "missing" means more, and makes sense, natural ra is missing God. D"Why do you refuse to seperate (yester ra) from the word evil R" Because they word RA means evil, prove me wrong than, with a verse?
D" Why do you prefer word games over Gospel message R" Jesus is the imrah, the words of the Father, He personifed words, and words have holy meaning. You twist words, you seek secular dictionaries and not the words themselves, let the word explain itself, not polysemy but every verse is holy and the word is holy. You claim "sin" is not a free will act, some creatures just do their multiply and go forth thing, so it's not a sin to you, how much word game twisting is that?
D" YES – Robert – the archon are arrogant (yester ra) R" see, word gamer himself, "sin just means arrogant" SO in your view, man cannot sin, we just are arrogant, with our yester ra, not sinning at all, and not opposing God. Nobody opposes God according to you. Nobody sins according to you, so your word games twist the entire Bible.
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Dave writes the biggest pile of word twisting yet
"Why do you misrepresent me – it is your only defense
The Beast = 100% (yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want Lust – in itself is NOT a sin – go forth and reproduce is the commandment – survival of the species Desire – greed – want – in themselves are not sin – it is the commandment to go forth and be successful
(yester ra) SELFISH SELF – lust – desire – greed – want is NOT a sin – it is the necessary driving force that causes man to grow – progress – build – achieve – learn technology – uses technology
The commandment to man = go forth be fruitful and multiple + dominate
(yester ra) – lust – desire – greed – and want → LEADS to sin
The serpent lied (NOT A SIN) - Eve lied (NOT A SIN) Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, (NOT A SIN) and that it was pleasant to the eyes (NOT A SIN), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (NOT A SIN), she took of the fruit thereof (NOT A SIN), and did eat,(SIN = disobeying God or transgressing His commandment) and gave also unto her husband with her (NOT A SIN); and he did eat. (NOW HE SINNED = disobeying God or transgressing His commandment)"
R" SO let me get this straight, pulling pants down an exposing a willy is not a sin, winking at the woman is not a sin, touching her breasts is only groping and not a sin, though so bad Japanese men must enter male only carriages, and women female only carriages, what do they do with males with dressed female appendages? And petting is not a sin, nor is kissing another man's wife a sin, but only committing adultery is a sin.
So mocking does not kill anybody so is not a sin, saying the war is only fun and games and you get paid, is not a sin, nobody tells you , you might die, it's OK to sensationalize the report, its OK to twist the graph to reduce the death rate of the vaccine, its OK to hide the poison from the chemical, we add it in safe doses, so its perfectly legal, this is not killing you....
mocking does not kill you, nor does bullying, its not a sin, nor does bullying wound and kill another humans, telling words to defame another is not killing them either, only stabbing a person to death is a sin. Let's test your Dave theory using the judgements, as to how the moral law was supposed to be used.
Ex 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant,
Which of the ten commandments is this judgement?
Ex 21:12 ¶ He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Which of the ten commandments is this judgement?
This is a bit easier, No murder.
Ex 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile;
What does this mean?
Ex 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, What does this mean?
Is this "murdering your father and mother"?
Ex 21:20 And if a man smite his servant,
Which of the ten commandments is this judgement?
Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child,
Which of the ten commandments is this judgement?
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Must be still the "no murder" judgements.
See how broad is the moral laws of the Father?
Ex 23:1 ¶ Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
Which of the ten commandments is this judgement?
The command to bear proper witness.
That includes speaking nicely to others.
Edifiying others. Not bagging them with confusion. Not negating the Father's words.
Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
This is bearing false witness, and breaking a moral command.
Question: Did God require the ten commandments to Adam and Eve? Yes
So why the simple test, eat not of the tree of the opposing elohiym power? Because this was one test to prove which elohiym power the humans wanted as their master. ----------------------
D"The serpent lied (NOT A SIN) R" explain to me why lying is NOT a sin?
D" and he did eat. (NOW HE SINNED = disobeying God or transgressing His commandment) R" Hmm? I do not read it that way,....
Ge 3:14 ¶ And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field
First God is sad because the humans go over to another master of sinning, and God curses the opposing elohym power above all other creatures he made.
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
God promises to bruise the opposing power last, though it seems to bruise humans first.
Ge 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
God remarks not mankind know Good (only God is good) and also knows Evil (only the opposing power is RA) they have two masters ruling over them. and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
God removes them from His kingdom because they would live forever while ruled over by the RA power.
SO God banished them into the RA power as their master ruling over them, but at the same time wishes to same them back to the GOOD power, which is what GOD is. When I first showed you this you did not even see the two trees in the Garden represent two elohiym powers to begin with.
D"Genesis 6:1-4 = Jude and Peter call this group – sinning angels Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch is translated as “Fallen Angels” - but it is still the same group Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch calls this group WATCHERS
Genesis 6:1-4 = Jude and Peter says this group is held in chains in a prison Genesis 6:1-4 = Enoch says this group is held in chains in a prison – awaiting release to be use again R" so stop telling me "fallen angels" do not exist, than.
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Post by Dave on Jul 6, 2022 17:36:57 GMT -5
D"Where is your answer – please explain to me why your Robert method makes a sin offering a sin
R" I will allow the Messanic to prove my words, they speak nicely Did you notice the words "Moreover, this man would become an offering for our sin (Isaiah 53:10). " This is a Messanic Jew confirming the "sin-offering" idea.
Still no answer of why you have the authority to rewrite scripture D"because you know your error has let you down again and are embarrased to admit it
D"Which is why a discussion with you goes nowhere and is a waste of time R" Exactly, your brevity is a problem Dave, so much so I tire of reading your words because you never explain your view, you only mock mine. If you do not know my views by now – you have not paid attention
D"Why do you refuse to seperate (yester ra) from the word evil R" Because they word RA means evil, prove me wrong than, with a verse? So you admit that you deny the concept of (yester ra) Therefore any desire to advance - progress - build - or achieve = evil sin I am sure your satan wants you to believe that ----------------------------------
Dave writes the biggest pile of word twisting yet "Why do you misrepresent me – it is your only defense
R" SO let me get this straight, pulling pants down an exposing a willy is not a sin, winking at the woman is not a sin, touching her breasts is only groping and not a sin, though so bad Japanese men must enter male only carriages, and women female only carriages, what do they do with males with dressed female appendages? And petting is not a sin, nor is kissing another man's wife a sin, but only committing adultery is a sin.
WOW – You are way to intelligent for me to have a discussion with – I yeild
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 16:37:06 GMT -5
D:" Still no answer of why you have the authority to rewrite scripture D"because you know your error has let you down again and are embarrased to admit it
R" spiritualsprings.org/ss-1092.htmI suggest you read this summary from Jeff Benner's research. D" If you do not know my views by now – you have not paid attentionR" The details are lacking. --------------------- DP" Why do you refuse to seperate (yester ra) from the word evil RP" Because they word RA means evil, prove me wrong than, with a verse?D" So you admit that you deny the concept of (yester ra) Therefore any desire to advance - progress - build - or achieve = evil sinR" I asked you for a verse to prove me wrong and you reply with a mocking dribble? Am 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, Where your theory might come from. Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief (RA) Bingo, God hates RA. Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. GOD declared his work very TOV, not a single trace of RA. (Though you point out GOD created a world of TOV around the earth sweeped in RA - darkness) Why did GOD do this? Because sinning angels were already living there. You assume the earth and the angels came afterwards. In my view the earth was already in RA because the sinning angels were already living there. Not because GOD uses natural RA as you claim. D" WOW – You are way to intelligent for me to have a discussion with – I yeildR" Well you posed your tripe before didn't you? Lust is not a sin until you do adultery right Dave? Lying is not a sin right Dave? You posted this dribble? How did you want me to react? Notice I quoted Scripture and the judgements on how to read the ten commandment laws. You posted nothing but Dave's opinion. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 8, 2022 5:32:23 GMT -5
D:" Still no answer of why you have the authority to rewrite scripture D"because you know your error has let you down again and are embarrassed to admit it
R" spiritualsprings.org/ss-1092.htm I suggest you read this summary from Jeff Benner's research. I went to your link - Q2: The New Testament was originally written in Hebrew Is this just another misdirection by you ?
Why do you refuse to admit your Robert method is terrible – Explain your translation with clearity ----------------------------------
D"If you do not know my views by now – you have not paid attention ---------------------
DP"Why do you refuse to separate (yester ra) from the word evil RP" Because they word RA means evil, prove me wrong than, with a verse? D" So you admit that you deny the concept of (yester ra) Therefore any desire to advance - progress - build - or achieve = evil sin R" I asked you for a verse to prove me wrong and you reply with a mocking dribble?
Am 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, Bingo, God hates RA. What does your opposing attitude have to do with (yester ra)? ----------------
D"WOW – You are way to intelligent for me to have a discussion with – I yeild R" Well you posed your tripe before didn't you? Lust is not a sin until you do adultery right Dave?
Robert – the commandment is to go forth be fruitful and multiply Did you have a girlfriend – did you get married – did you reproduce How did that happen without desire and lust? Why do you call God’s commandment to reproduce a sin?
I teach that what happens between a man and his wife is a beautiful thing Why do you call God’s commandment to reproduce a sin?
You have never really lived – until you have seen two full grown Elk fight over a harem of 20 does Most reproduction within the animal kingdom (large mammals) is a form of rape (as I re-read this - I see that you will take this senrence and run with it accusing me aof say rape is not a sin - because you jsut pass over the POINT and argue words) Why do you call God’s commandment to reproduce a sin?
Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. GOD declared his work very TOV, not a single trace of RA. -------------------
Lying is not a sin right Dave? There is no commandment against it False witness = be truthful in a court of law
Eve was the first to lie – Nothing happened Then you say the serpent lied – Nothing happened The sin was in the eating of the fruit – because that was the commandment of Gen 2:17 -------------------
You posted this dribble? How did you want me to react? INTELLIGENTLY with a well thought out academic response – did that happen?
Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. GOD declared his work very TOV, not a single trace of RA.
(Though you point out GOD created a world of TOV around the earth sweeped in RA - darkness) Why did GOD do this? Because sinning angels were already living there. You assume the earth and the angels came afterwards. In my view the earth was already in RA because the sinning angels were already living there. Not because GOD uses natural RA as you claim.
Gen 1:2 – darkness – choshek
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
God created the fish and birds – then commanded them to sin Either your god is confused – or you do not understand (yester ra)
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created man – then commanded them to sin Either your god is confuse – or you do not understand (yester ra)
Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. GOD declared his work very TOV, not a single trace of RA. Except the choshek of Gen 1:2 and the commandment to reproduce and dominate
Either your god is confuse – or you do not understand (yester ra) I offered to study the concept with you – but you refuse because it have the word ra in it You just want to play word games – so you can OPPOSE Judeo-Christianity Your opposer god must be so pleased with you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2022 17:06:34 GMT -5
D" What does your POINT B – have to do with my Question A D"Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sinR" I would assume all sins are examples of missing God's powers in your life, intentional or unintentional whatever that term means, so is your question regarding what sin-offering means, or regarding the term of sinning unintentionally? I ran into a messanic Jew yesterday at Sabbath, and she told me many things about the Jewish Kabbalah and why they do not follow the torah as much as they should, but don't. She also understood yester ra and the problem Jews have doing away with sinning and the influence of the Hebrew opposer Hey-satan. I also asked her about why Jews do not read the poetry similes in Ezekiel 28, and only the Australian Rabbi Apple alludes to this idea of a cherub that sinned. She laments that many Jews ignore Hebrew scriptures and are more influenced by the Kabbalah, which confuses them. She spoke of the influences of Greek and Mystics influences. Yes I often wondered what happened when Babylon captured them so long ago, it changed their writing of letters too. I also asked her about Amanuh, even the spelling of the word, (not emanuh) and why they insist the word only means to "trust". She says I go deep into the Hebrew, and notes how many Jews are influenced by other writings. We spoke of the 5 commentaries recorded by the midrash and we also talked about duality and the aspects of the ruwach, nashamah and the nephesh. She is a devoted SDA person, and nothing you have written about Jewish thought is correct, even though many Jews support different ideas, they do not understand the directions of thought inside the Hebrew torah. I also posed the idea of Hebrew polysemy and why messanic Jews like Nehemiah Gordon refuses to change his idea of elohiym because he does not like 6 verses about elohiym, so he ignores these verses and justifies himself to invent another meaning. We also discussed why Jews do not understand the Hebrew word chataah as a sin-offering, and instead have no real idea of what chata or chataah means. Instead they have this notion of yester ra and thus do not accept or understand the idea of confessing yous sins unto a sin-bearer, who is our High Priest in heaven. D" Why do you refuse to admit your Robert method is terrible – Explain your translation with clearityR" spiritualsprings.org/ss-1094.htmExplain the 7 steps spiritualsprings.org/ss-1095.htmExplaining with a specific example "kathistemi" I note from discussions with Dave, this example should be edited (1) Mt 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (2) Mt 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (3) Mt 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (4)Mt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (5) Lu 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler (judge/divider)" (6) Lu 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (7) Lu 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler" (8) Ac 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. Notice they translate "hath established the HS as ruler over this business" (9) Ac 7:10 And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler/ governor" (10)Ac 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler/judge" (11) Ac 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler/judge" (12) Ac 17:15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. Difficult one Notice they translate "they established themselves a ruler over Paul, bringing him unto Athens" (13) Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Difficult Notice they translate "by one man's disobedience hath established "sin-offering" as a ruler, over sinners, so by the obedience of one is established as a ruler for straightness" (14) Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler/elder" (15) Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Notice they translate "hath established him a ruler over the works of thy hands" (16) Heb 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: Notice they translate "is established for men as a ruler in things pertaining to God" (17) Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. Notice they translate "the law established high priests as a ruler over men, " (18)Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. Notice they translate "every high priest is established as a ruler, to offer gifts and sacrifices" (19)Jas 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. Notice they translate "is established as a ruler among our members" (20) Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Notice they translate "is established as a ruler/enemy of God" (21) 2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.(KJV) Notice they translate "established you a ruler, that ye neither be barren nor unfruitful.." I notice while the term "kathistemi" means to establish, it comes also with the idea to establish a ruler over something. Often left out in words, in other words languages make short cuts in the words. RP " Am 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, Bingo, God hates RA.D" What does your opposing attitude have to do with (yester ra)? R" If God hates RA why would God create using RA? D" How did that happen without desire and lust? Why do you call God’s commandment to reproduce a sin?R" Desire is a Hebrew word, that does not mean "sin". Like Hebrew meanings the context implies its opposite meaning. chamad always has a positive meaning to "desire happily with joy" Only in a sentence requiring it's opposite meaning, can one understand its opposite meaning. You understand Greek, does Greek do this also or does Greek have separate words, one for covet and one for desire with joy? For examples barak "bless" its opposite "curse" chamad "desire with joy", its opposite "covet" D" Most reproduction within the animal kingdom (large mammals) is a form of rapeR" Question" Was it originally designed that that? Or has the DNA of the Elk fallen like man's DNA has fallen? RP" Lying is not a sin right Dave?D" There is no commandment against itR" God does not lie, yet the chief opposer of GOD is a father of lies. What does this mean to you? D" Eve was the first to lie – Nothing happenedR" I do not think Eve lied, being near the tree and touching it's fruit is the first steps in sinning. Notice what James says Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Sinning is a process, not a single event. But we often look at the conclusion as the final straw of sinning. Eve wandered away from her husband master, that is the first step in sinning. D"T hen you say the serpent lied – Nothing happenedR" The serpent/ cherub was already a sinning creature, so it lost it's grace from God long ago. D" The sin was in the eating of the fruit – because that was the commandment of Gen 2:17R" Yes final straw in the process D" Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created man – then commanded them to sinR" You have a problem with tov design, why do you assume all creatures were originally both herbivores and carnivores? Lions ate grass, and the top lion still eats grass first, the paunch before other eats the lesser diet of meat. D" I offered to study the concept with you – but you refuse because it have the word ra in itR" What? Go ahead, offer your study. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 10, 2022 0:02:11 GMT -5
D" What does your POINT B – have to do with my Question A D"Why would Christ have to be a sin offering for the atonement of the people's sacrifices to the lord for unintentional sin R" I would assume all sins are examples of missing God's powers in your life, intentional or unintentional whatever that term means, so is your question regarding what sin-offering means, or regarding the term of sinning unintentionally? Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared the same humanity—so that through death He might break the power of the one who had the power of death (that is, the devil) Heb 2:15 and free those who by fear of death were in bondage all their lives. Heb 2:16 For surely He is not concerned about angels, but about the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:17 Therefore He had to be made like His brothers in all things, so He might become a merciful and faithful Kohen Gadol in matters relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:18 Because He Himself suffered when put to the test, He is able to help those being tested. 1- Why does Christ have to be a ‘sin offering’ for the ‘sin offerings’ of the peopleEveryone else proclaims that Christ was a ‘sin offering’ for the SINS of the people Why do you teach that Christ had to atone for the sacrifices of the people 2- Heb 2:18 He Himself suffered when put to the test, He is able to help those being tested.God test His people – even Jesus Christ was tested 3- D" Why do you refuse to admit your Robert method is terrible – Explain your translation with clearity Explaining with a specific example "kathistemi" I note from discussions with Dave, this example should be editedCorrect – your Robert method failed you with your word game about "kathistemi" In fact – you built an entire doctrine around satan ruling every manYour attempted word game about archie also failed you Your attempted word game has failed to yield one verse where your satan opposes God Now you refuse to explain your Robert Method translation for ‘sin offering’ ------------------------ RP " Am 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, Bingo, God hates RA. D" What does your opposing attitude have to do with (yester ra)? R" If God hates RA why would God create using RA? Not discussing RA – discussing (yester ra) or (YEZER HARA)D"How did that happen without desire and lust? Why do you call God’s commandment to reproduce a sin? R" Desire is a Hebrew word, that does not mean "sin".LUST IS A HEBREW WORD THAT ALSO DOES NOT MEAN SIN – what is your point – yet another word gameD"Most reproduction within the animal kingdom (large mammals) is a form of rape R" Question" Was it originally designed that that? IF IT EXIST GOD MADE IT – as is – no changes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 5:08:58 GMT -5
D" Now you refuse to explain your Robert Method translation for ‘sin offering’R" spiritualsprings.org/ss-590.htmD" Heb 2:18 He Himself suffered when put to the test, He is able to help those being tested. God test His people – even Jesus Christ was testedR" Sorry but this word meaning depends upon context. Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (KJV) The Hebrew word meaning would be tempted, not tested. Jesus was tempted to sin by the opposer. The opposer always wants his victims to sin. That is why the opposer opposes God. D" Your attempted word game has failed to yield one verse where your satan opposes GodR" Wrong, I only need one verse to prove you wrong. And you agreed with me, but also disagree. Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other opposing elohiym powers before the Father's face. This ten commandment law was written before Sabbath existed, and thus before man existed, so refers to the shedim or angels that sinned, becoming powers of elohiiym that oppose the Father. But Dave refuses to acknowledge this idea, you agree the shedim are opposing man, but not opposing God. You deny this ten commandment law. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 10, 2022 13:11:32 GMT -5
Question A D"Now you refuse to explain your Robert Method translation for ‘sin offering’ R" spiritualsprings.org/ss-590.htm
Question A D"Now you refuse to explain your Robert Method translation for ‘sin offering’ NO answer from Robert – he responds with another topic – avoid – evade – and change the subject
D"Heb 2:18 He Himself suffered when put to the test, He is able to help those being tested. God test His people – even Jesus Christ was tested R" Sorry but this word meaning depends upon context.
For 3 years you have argued that context – grammar – and syntax have no impact on a Hebrew words’s meaning
The Hebrew word meaning would be tempted, not tested. Just a Robert word game
D"Your attempted word game has failed to yield one verse where your satan opposes God R" Wrong, I only need one verse to prove you wrong. And you agreed with me, but also disagree. Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other opposing elohiym powers before the Father's face. YES – I agree with you - Ex 20:3 YES – I disagree with you – this does not make your satan a god in heaven face to face with the Creator The Beast = a created being of this WORLD opposing man NOT God
But Dave refuses to acknowledge this idea, you agree the shedim are opposing man, but not opposing God. You deny this ten commandment law.
YES – the idea of 2 equivalent gods face to face in heaven is totally rejected as loudly as I can
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 17:31:01 GMT -5
D"For 3 years you have argued that context – grammar – and syntax have no impact on a Hebrew words’s meaning R" Unless its opposite meaning is implied, than you require the context of the sentence. I asked you if Greek does this. English does not. But Hebrew words do, many of them.
D"Just a Robert word game R" I would imagine is a peculiar thing for Hebrew.
Hebrew does not have many bad words... Hebrew is a language of heaven, does not have bad words in it originally. bless, desire, test are all positive word meanings.
D" Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other opposing elohiym powers before the Father's face. YES – I agree with you - Ex 20:3 YES – I disagree with you – this does not make your satan a god in heaven face to face with the Creator The Beast = a created being of this WORLD opposing man NOT God R" Hmmm? Well you agree and disagree?
Question: Is the Father affected when a creature sins?
The answer has to be yes, so you are wrong again my friend.
1) A sinning creature is not allowed to exist
2) God is kind not willing for anybody to cease to exist
3) Hence immediately goes to the creature long before the sin is completed, to get a love of repentance.
4) But if the sinner refuses, God also has an absolute law of living, God himself cannot undo. While God is kind, God has laws that make his love just and absolute. Hence the penalty for sin is non existence.
5) Cannot undo his laws, and it is the laws that make love and a loving God just , hard and fair.
6) so for a sinning creatures to be sinning there is much a Father has to do. "ie war in heaven, took much longer than 6 seconds, more like 6,000 years of time (time did not exist back than)
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Before man existed the opposing power existed.
DO you agree with this?
How can I say this? Because the ten commandments was written before Sabbath existed, and man existed only one day before Sabbath came to man's world.
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The opposing power has to be opposing God because it sins. DO you agree with this?
It is only sinning (missing God's powers) that is really an action of opposing God.
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D" YES – the idea of 2 equivalent gods face to face in heaven is totally rejected as loudly as I can R" I did not say they were equivalent gods face to face in heaven, you go way to extremes.
I said a creature pretends to be an opposing elohiym power because it continues to do sinning.
An angel is not a creator, nor is it creative.
But angels, like humans can sin, and are termed ben elohiym, so are humans ben elohiym, so both have free will to sin. DO you agree with this?
Jews are confused whether angels can sin or not, the torah is not confused, nor is your Gnostic book Enoch.
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One day a creature decided to sin,, thus became an opposing power, not equivalent to GOD, the divine uncaused cause. ---- not equivalent in power, might, or anything.
Just a creature that sins.
A mischief maker. A spoiler that spoils. DO you agree with this?
You can't agree because you would have to abandon Gnostic writings that speak of creating archons as rebels to begin with, and despite the writings saying he sinned, you do not say he sinned at all, only became arrogant.
So something has to give....
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Post by Dave on Jul 11, 2022 4:17:37 GMT -5
D"For 3 years you have argued that context – grammar – and syntax have no impact on a Hebrew words’s meaning R" Unless its opposite meaning is implied, than you require the context of the sentence. I asked you if Greek does this. 1- the agl/NT was written in Greek – stop trying to rewrite scripture in your own image 2- Greek does not do this - - in Greek it requires a negative article 2- now please explain your Robert method translation Why does Christ have to be ‘sin offering’ for the ‘sin offerings’ of the people?Why does Christ have to be ‘sin offering’ for the ‘sin offerings’ of the people?This is the 6th time I have asked you to explain yourself – you cannot justify your translation error – so you avoids – evade – and change the subject ------------------ Question: Is the Father affected when a creature sins? The answer has to be yes, so you are wrong again my friend.The idea that your satan or man can push God around – force God the Change His Plan is Nonsense------------------------- Before man existed the opposing power existed. DO you agree with this?Actually NO – 1- Man and angels were created first as the host of heaven 2- when the Beast appeared – it brought Day 1 to a close ---------------------------- The opposing power has to be opposing God because it sins. DO you agree with this?You sin – why do you oppose God?--------------------- D" YES – the idea of 2 equivalent gods face to face in heaven is totally rejected as loudly as I can R" I did not say they were equivalent gods face to face in heaven, you go way to extremes. www.adventist.org › the-great-controversy The Great Controversy and God's Love for Humanity The Great Controversy is a spiritual battle, a conflict over God's character and His right to rule the universe. GOD’S RIGHT TO RULE THE UNIVERSE?Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Great_Controversy_th... Great Controversy theme - In Seventh-day Adventist theology, the Great Controversy theme refers to the cosmic battle between Jesus Christ and Satan, also played out on earth. Official position COSMIC BATTLE BETWEEN JESUS CHRIST AND SATAN?Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › The_Great_Controvers... The Great Controversy (book) The Great Controversy is a book by Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and held in esteem as a prophetess or messenger ALL FROM ELLEN WHITE!REPEAT - D" YES – the idea of 2 equivalent gods face to face in heaven is totally rejected as loudly as I canR" I did not say they were equivalent gods face to face in heaven, you go way to extremes. Make up your mind – you follow Ellen White and her teaching – or she is error Do you know what you believe? – because we are so confused? I said a creature pretends to be an opposing elohiym power because it continues to do sinning.NO – I say the archon are NOT gods – they just pretend to be – because man allows them to be Caesar – was just a man – pretending to be a god Baal – IS NOT A GOD (Capital G) – he is a created creature – pretending to be a god (small g) -------------- But angels, like humans can sin, and are termed ben elohiym, so are humans ben elohiym, so both have free will to sin. DO you agree with this? 1- ABSOLUTELY NOT 2- you began this discussion with the bane elohiym being only menEllen White writes, = “Adam must have been one of those individuals described in Genesis 6:4 as "giants in the earth, . . . mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Whether or not being "well-proportioned" meant having a head the size of Antinous' sculpture, Adam would certainly have been an imposing figure among men of today. Had his limbs and other body proportions been double those of modern men as well (with an eight-fold increase in volume and weight), he would have weighed more than 1,200 pounds. ‘ Make up your mind – you follow Ellen White and her teaching – or she is errorDo you know what you believe? – because we are so confused?But angels, like humans can sin, and are termed ben elohiym, so are humans ben elohiym, so both have free will to sin. DO you agree with this?1- ABSOLUTELY NOT2- the demons of the agl/NT know exactly who Jesus was/is – and know exactly their fate – but they do NOT repent 3- the devil knows his time is short – and he does not repent 4- what happens to all your satan worship if he repents God’s Plan = God’s PlanIf God created a cow to be a cow – it remains a cow If God created man with the ability to choose – he remains If God created angels to serve and praise – that is exactly what they do The archon were created BY GOD FOR GOD (Col 1:16) – they just do what they were created to do Your teaching that an angel changed his form and function against God’s Will is rejected Your teaching that your satan then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will – is also rejected -------------- Jews are confused whether angels can sin or not,NOPE NOT CONFUSED AT ALL SIMPLY BELIEVE IN THE SOVERNIGTRY OF GOD nor is your Gnostic book Enoch.Correct the bane elohiym of Gen 6 are called sinning angels – because they expressed their (yester ra) with mortal women – this is a violation of the commandments for the beast.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 16:09:45 GMT -5
D" Why does Christ have to be ‘sin offering’ for the ‘sin offerings’ of the people?R" Every missing of Jesus power, every missed opportunity of faith, is an example of our imperfect walk with Jesus, so we have to daily confess our missing unto Jesus, our sin-bearer. Such a process is called the "sin-offering" or chataah. Or in Greek Hamartia. The sin-offering is personified in Scripture, with Cain, as the one who desires to control us. In your view you have yester RA and yester TOV controlling us, in my view we have hey-satan Opposed to the Father, and both of these powers battle for the control of the human mind. In your view you have both RA and Tov coming from the same Great Uncaused Cause. In my view the battle for sin, and thus sin-offering comes from the powers of elohiym and the opposing elohiym, mentioned in the Ten commandments. Since the doctrine of sin-offering is within the sanctuary in heaven with Jesus, I doubt you would understand it, since it is a unique message to the world from the SDA, it seems. D" Actually NO – 1- Man and angels were created first as the host of heavenR" OK show me a verse where man was created on day 1 of Creation, along with angels. Ge 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. no mention of creating humans of angels here, the word host could mean host of heavenly bodies, or host of creatures? No mention of creating... when were all the hosts of creation finished ? by day 6. So the rest of humans come out of pre-existing mixing of DNA, the humans procreate. the creation of angels is not mentioned here. Job says the angels sang during Creation week, so must have existed before this? D" You sin – why do you oppose God?R" 1) my flesh is weak the mind is willing 2) propensities remain tugging the mind 3) The opposer is allowed to tempt me 4) some sin-offering is NOT unto death 1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin-offering: and there is a sin-offering not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. If you remain in marriage with Jesus, our daily missings are not relationships that cause us to oppose Him, they are sin-offerings NOT unto death, for Jesus remains with us, as long as we remain faithful to Him. D" The Great Controversy is a spiritual battle, a conflict over God's character and His right to rule the universe.
GOD’S RIGHT TO RULE THE UNIVERSE?R" Have you never read the opposes objective? Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. The opposer wishes to replace the Father as a ruler. D" NO – I say the archon are NOT gods – they just pretend to be – because man allows them to be Caesar – was just a man – pretending to be a god Baal – IS NOT A GOD (Capital G) – he is a created creature – pretending to be a god (small g)R" You my friend have a problem with understanding two Hebrew words, the first is Baal the second is elohiym. Baal comes in two actions, the one meaning master, and another meaning MASTER in a power sense over a larger group, as Idol worship of a Master Power. spiritualsprings.org/ss-101.htmSee my studies. Second the word "elohiym" is written as the "strong authority secure whose power flows" And refers to any MASTER POWER who causes a flow of power over nations of people as a ruler. We often view elohiym as a special word for GOD when it really means a family power, like judges, or a master power over a nation. Hence we use the term pretending to be elohiym. This is not really true, as any master who becomes a MASTER POWER over a nation, causing his power to flow is really an elohiym power in the truest sense of the meaning. It has to be otherwise the ten commandment law is false, ye shall have no other elohiym powers before my face. You have to rethink your thinking, any human or angel has master powers within himself, which can become MASTER POWERS over a nation, thus becoming what we humans term "a god". You are correct with GOD and other attempts with "god", this shows how pathetic other elohiym powers are, but you go extremes to say they do not exist, nor do they oppose the Father. D" Ellen White writes, = “Adam must have been one of those individuals described in Genesis 6:4 as "giants in the earth, . . . mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Whether or not being "well-proportioned" meant having a head the size of Antinous' sculpture, Adam would certainly have been an imposing figure among men of today. Had his limbs and other body proportions been double those of modern men as well (with an eight-fold increase in volume and weight), he would have weighed more than 1,200 pounds. ‘ R" Yes Adam was over 15 feet high weighed over 200Kgs and was a big person, as all the people before the flood were, huge people. After sin came many developed downhill DNA spoiling, we are midgets today, tiny people. D" Do you know what you believe? – because we are so confused?R" The line of Seth is called ben elohiym, and the line of Cain the wicked sons of men. There became a mixing of these lines and a spoiling of the two cultures, one from GOD and the other for SATAN, the opposer. Angels are a different kind and cannot procreate or change shape whatever? Many of the sinning angels did influence the humans into more depravity though. The GMO on humans was the last straw that GOD saw to destroy the whole world and remove the intelligence of big humans, and good conditions of earth, so evil does not grow so rapidly. Hence a global flood buried the large humans and their intelligent technologies. D" 1- ABSOLUTELY NOT 2- the demons of the agl/NT know exactly who Jesus was/is – and know exactly their fate – but they do NOT repent 3- the devil knows his time is short – and he does not repent 4- what happens to all your satan worship if he repentsR" Unpardonable sin refers to a condition where people feel they can never be forgiven. This also applies to sinning angels, there is a point where repentance cannot happen. The Amorites is a good example of this unrepentant condition, God waited 400 years. D" If God created a cow to be a cow – it remains a cow If God created man with the ability to choose – he remains If God created angels to serve and praise – that is exactly what they doR" So all creatures are only designed for a single purpose? How can humans we blamed than for sinning? They can't, not in your view? God created a cow with free will, but the cow remains a cow with loyalty, though some cows are also aggressive and sin. However the naughty cows cannot choose to be saved. God created humans with free will, some humans remain with loyalty, though some humans are also aggressive and sin. However the naughty humans can choose to be saved, if they wish to. God created angels with free will, and most angels remain with loyalty, though some angels are also aggressive and sin. However the naughty angels cannot choose to be saved, anymore, though many naughty angels did repent and come back to God. In my view there is no design that is fixed, all have the ability to sin if they choose to. In your view the designed is fixed by GOD, you have removed the ability of any creature except the designed one to sin, you removed a God of love, and replaced it with a God of controlled designs. If humans are the only creature with free will, what does that say of God? Why not make humans like angels? Can you answer that? Why weren't the angels made like us? Or the cow like us? D" Your teaching that an angel changed his form and function against God’s Will is rejectedR" OK so we have designed robotic creatures. OK why are humans the only creatures with a different design? If the majority of creatures are robotic, than where is your character of God as love? You don't have one. D" C orrect the bane elohiym of Gen 6 are called sinning angels R" But you just said angels cannot change shape, function or form, " an angel changed his form and function against God’s Will is rejected" yet here you write they are sinning. Are you consistent Dave? Now you have sinning angels, which is my view? What view do you have? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 12, 2022 5:03:37 GMT -5
D" Why does Christ have to be ‘sin offering’ for the ‘sin offerings’ of the people? R" Every missing of Jesus power, every missed opportunity of faith, is an example of our imperfect walk with Jesus, so we have to daily confess our missing unto Jesus, our sin-bearer. Such a process is called the "sin-offering" or chataah. Or in Greek Hamartia.
Sin Offering – a sacrifice for an unintentional sin
Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man chataah entered into the world, By one man’s sacrifice for sin – death entered the world Why does a sacrifice to the Lord bring death into the world
Heb 2:17 .... to make reconciliation for the sin-offerings of the people. Jesus Christ must atone – for the sin offerings of the people Jesus Christ must atone - for the sacrifices of the people Why is it BAD to make a sacrifice to the Lord – and must be atoned for
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without "sin-offering". Jesus Christ has no sin offering Jesus Christ is NOT a sin offering I am sure your satan god want you to believe this
1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin-offering: All sin and evil doings by man are a sacrifice to the Lord I am sure your satan god want you to believe this too
Since the doctrine of sin-offering is within the sanctuary in heaven with Jesus, I doubt you would understand it, since it is a unique message to the world from the SDA, it seems.
NO – I absolutely do not understand why you teach – that unrighteous is a sacrifice to your god? NO – I do not understand why Jesus Christ must atone for the sacrifices of the people NO –I do not understand why you teach Jesus Christ – is without a sin-offering Sorry Robert – you pray to the wrong god ----------------
D" Actually NO – 1- Man and angels were created first as the host of heaven R" OK show me a verse where man was created on day 1 of Creation, along with angels. Ge 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
no mention of creating humans of angels here, the word host could mean Could mean – should mean – would mean = Robert’s word game
You teach that man IS NOT a part of the Host of Heaven Yet there were are – First Fruits serving God around the throne – Rev 20:4 -------------------
D" You sin – why do you oppose God? R" 1) my flesh is weak the mind is willing YOU ABSOLUTELT REJECT- the Jewish teaching that the flesh is weak No such thing as (yester ra) – the teaching is too complicated for you to understand --------------
The Great Controversy is a spiritual battle, a conflict over God's character and His right to rule the universe. GOD’S RIGHT TO RULE THE UNIVERSE? R" Have you never read the opposes objective? The opposer wishes to replace the Father as a ruler.
Correct – you teach two equivalent gods in a controversy Totally opposite to the teaching of ONE TRUE GOD who is absolutely sovereign ----------------------
R" The line of Seth is called ben elohiym, and the line of Cain the wicked sons of men. There became a mixing of these lines and a spoiling of the two cultures, one from GOD and the other for SATAN, the opposer.
Correct you teach the Sethian view 1- you teach NO MEN in heaven – yet there are your Sethians in heaven with your satan – Job 1:6, 2:1 2- you teach Jude 1:6 + 2 Pet 2:4 = satan and the demon are all locked away from us
Jud 1:6 And the angels—who did not keep their own position of authority but deserted their proper place—He has kept in everlasting shackles under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great Day.
2Pe 2:4 For God did not spare angels when they sinned, but threw them into Sheol. He put them in chains of gloomy darkness, to be held until the judgment.
Correct you teach the Sethian view There is no satan or sinning angels to bother man – they are all locked away – away from man
'The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist”—Charles Baudelaire --------------------
D" If God created a cow to be a cow – it remains a cow If God created man with the ability to choose – he remains If God created angels to serve and praise – that is exactly what they do R" So all creatures are only designed for a single purpose?
How can humans we blamed than for sinning? They can't, not in your view? God created man with the ability to choose – he remains
OK why are humans the only creatures with a different design? God created man with the ability to choose
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