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Post by Dave on Dec 4, 2019 15:49:58 GMT -5
Nephilim is a Hebrew word Jeff Benner does not comment about. He says the word means Nephilim: (masc.: נפילים / ne'phi'lim) MT: make~FALL(V)~ing(mp) RMT: Making fall. Strong's: #5303
CORRECT - they are the one that make man fall - They are the ones that test man - they are they ones that tempt man - they are the ones that seduce man - the ARCHON No angels ever fell anywhere - Fallen angels - Catholic BS
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 1:28:23 GMT -5
Dave did you read the rest of my post?
What does Scripture say the word "Nephilim" means?
Nu 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. (KJV)
Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown
Only two texts. So how Jews make so much from a Hebrew word with so little context, about supernatural beings having sex with humans, I don't understand.
And the meaning of "ben elohiym"?
Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the "sons of God" came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Ge 6:2 That the "sons of God" saw the "daughters of men"....
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the "sons of God" shouted for joy?
Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the "sons of God".
1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the "sons of God":
Notice the contrast : "sons of God" saw the "daughters of men"....
The contrast is within humans, sons, daughters, god, men.
Why are human sons called "gods" as in "sons of God"?
Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall (naphal) like one of the princes (sar).
His verse gives a major clue... humans were made a little lower than elohiym, and are princes... this term is significant to you...it means "archon". The context also includes a related word to "nephilim", the word "naphal".
In a sinless state, humans born on earth were princes of earth, and thus entitled to come to meeting to see GOD because they were princes.
In Job we are told other unfallen princes would have come to meeting from other unfallen worlds.
Notice the term "Archon" or "prince" is in the OT, but not the meanings you give it.
You rely on the commentaries of Jews, rather than asking the Hebrew, line upon line , principle to tell you what the Hebrew word means.
You claim these archons are bane elohiym... well this verse says humans are the archons... but since Adam sinned, he lost his prince status...
You make a big deal of Eve's sin...but women were not "sar" only men were "Sar", ie "sons of GOD, or princes of GOD" when Adam sinned, he lost His prince status and the one who caused him to sin, became ruler of earth instead.
So when it says there were giant humans in those days, there were. Adam was large, so was Eve. The little humans we have today result for DNA corruption since sin.
Nothing to do with Archons or aliens having sex with humans...
Your comments please, especially Ps 82.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2019 11:41:17 GMT -5
Dave did you read the rest of my post? What does Scripture say the word "Nephilim" means? Nu 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. (KJV) Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown Only two texts. So how Jews make so much from a Hebrew word with so little context, about supernatural beings having sex with humans, I don't understand. You are so funny - you keep talking about you hebrew - absolute Hebrew - you swear you are not catholic brain washed - yet נָפִיל nĕphiyl - is a Hewbrew word mean - to make fall - those who make you fall - And you keep quoting your KJV Greek Bible - γίγαντες - γίγας - giants - from gia = earth Mat 13:5, the dirt Mar 4:8 gia+nts = children of earth - the Greek Giants were fathered by the Gods with mother earth - earth is their mother. giants - has no meaning of height at all. You can be a very short insignificant. Hercules was a demigod no taller than you or I נָפִיל nĕphiyl - has no inplication of height at all. It means the ones that make man fall - they did not fall - the make fall = your Brennerism says so Sure Enoch says some of them were very tall indeed doesn't mean all of them Some of them blend in very well amoung us as Rephiem (but Catholics deny this)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:35:23 GMT -5
γίγαντες - γίγας - giants - from gia = earth Mat 13:5, the dirt Mar 4:8 gia+nts = children of earth
Matthew 13:5 uses a Greek word "ge". Mark 4:8 uses the same Greek word "ge".
There are no "giants" in the KJV in the NT? But than you write again without backing up your ideas. Adding bits of words together, is NOT how word meanings come to be.
Hebrew words are generally not made that way. If a Hebrew word has similar spellings the words are of similar meanings, as you say "nephilim" means "make fall". But the spelling is different to "naphal" meaning "fall", so the meaning is slightly different.
And you keep quoting your KJV Greek Bible -
What? you quoted this Greek thing to me, adding "gia+nts" two Greek words, do not add to make giants... I follow the Hebrew, I also cross reference Greek NT back to OT Hebrew, something you don't do.
giants - has no meaning of height at all. You can be a very short insignificant. Hercules was a demigod no taller than you or I
Again your quoting Greek stories to me. I have little regard for Greek ideas. I prefer Hebrew ideas, and the meanings for a Hebrew perspective.
nĕphiyl - has no implication of height at all.
That's not necessarily so. But we have only one sentence of context:
Nu 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
SO perhaps the Hebrew should read:
Nu 13:33 And there we saw the sinners, the sons of Anak, the sinners saw us as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
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Ge 6:4 ¶ There were sinners in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
After all there is already a Hebrew word meaning "giant" "rapha"
De 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
This one sentence defines the word clearly as a large human.
So back to nehpilim, these were sinning humans who make fall the sons of God, the righteous humans. Makes sense to me, when reading all the Hebrew contexts.
Again you not reading all my posts Dave? I read all of yours, but you don't, it seems??
Ps 82:6 ¶ I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall (naphal) like one of the princes (sar).
This verse is very important. It contains clues to the "sons of God", has the Hebrew word "naphal" for "fall" hence "nephilim" are wicked humans who make righteous humans fall, and the magic word "sar" translated in Greek as "archon".
Not a single reference to archons being created as a byproduct of creation by GOD. The reference is the sons of god are princes. If you are unfallen in an unfallen world, you were a prince of that unfallen world. Hence the Beings who met with GOD from time to time, were princes of unfallen worlds, and Satan was a prince of earth, because He took the crown from Adam. Something you do not consider.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2019 15:51:38 GMT -5
Hebrew - Nephilim is a Hebrew word Jeff Benner does not comment about. He says the word means Nephilim: (masc.: נפילים / ne'phi'lim) MT: make~FALL(V)~ing(mp) RMT: Making fall. Strong's: #5303
CORRECT - they are the one that make man fall - They are the ones that test man - they are they ones that tempt man - they are the ones that seduce man - the ARCHON So where does this Hebrew idea of Giants come from? If you say – Judaism – then you’re talking Enoch and the Mid-Rash This idea comes from – Greek - Wiki – Giants / Greek In Greek and Roman Mythology, the Giants, also called Gigantes (jye-GAHN-tees or gee-GAHN-tees; Greek: Γίγαντες, Gígantes, singular: Γίγας, Gígas), were a race of great strength and aggression, though not necessarily of great size, known for the Gigantomachy (Gigantomachia), their battle with the Olympian gods.[2] According to Hesiod, the Giants were the offspring of Gaia (Earth), born from the blood that fell when Uranus (Sky) was castrated by his Titan son Cronus Does this mean that each and every Nephilim is 12’ tall – none can be normal human size? Gonstic – some are much taller indeen – and some normal size – and some disfigured and crippled www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/rephaimREPHAIM (Heb. רְפָאִים). The Rephaim are known from biblical, Ugaritic, and Phoenician sources. In the Bible two uses of the term are discernible. The first is as a gentilic (e.g., Gen. 14:5; 15:20; Deut. 2:11) referring to a people distinguished by their enormous stature. Especially singled out are Og king of Bashan (Deut. 3:11) and the powerful adversaries of David's heroes (II Sam. 21:16, 18, 20). The biblical authors trace their designation to an apparently human eponym Rapha(h) (e.g., II Sam. 21:16, 18, 20;I Chron. 20:8). The Bible's emphasis on the size and might of the Rephaim is responsible for the Septuagint's renderings gigantes and titanes as well as for gabbārē of the Peshitta and gibbarāyyā of the Targums. The Genesis Apocryphon (21:28) on the other hand prefers the noncommital rephāʾayyā. In its second use Rephaim designates "shades" or "spirits" and serves as a poetic synonym for metim (מֵתִים; Isa. 26:14; Ps. 88:11). It thus refers to the inhabitants of the netherworld (Prov. 9:18). This second meaning is also found in Phoenician sources. King Tabnit of Sidon curses any prospective despoiler of his tomb: "May there be no resting-place for you with the Rephaim" (H. Donner and W. Roellig, Kanaanäische und aramäische Inschriften (KAI, 1962), 13, lines 7–8; COS II, 182), King Eshmunazar (ibid., 14, line 8; COS II, 183) employs the same formula in the plural, adding "… and may they not be buried in a grave." The chthonic aspect of the Phoenician Rephaim is made even more explicit in a neo-Punic bilingual which equates the לעל [נם] אראפאם with dis manibus sacrum KAI (ibid., 117, line 1). Wait for it - The Bible's emphasis on the size and might of the Rephaim is responsible for the Septuagint's renderings gigantes (Septuagint = Greek = KJV – Texus receptus) The Genesis Apocryphon (21:28) on the other hand prefers the noncommital rephāʾayyā. Hebrew Mid-Rash and Hebrew Dead Sea Scrolls – is that in your KJV? So – why do you insist Nephilim = raphe in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33? Raphe is not there in the Hebrew Thanks for the validation The Nephilim are sinning ½ breed humans who help / encourage / others to fall – agreed The bane elohiym are their parents – the Nephilim are not sons of God – they are the sons of the Sons of God – children of the 200 archon / bane elohiym Ps 82:6 is talking about human beings – we are the children of God – and we will die like mortal men. And be deceived by the prince of this world - the same arch who functioned as satan in Mat 4 – the prince of this world Just like Allah – just an archon lieutenant commanding his own realm Neither of them = the dragon / chief archon Both of them functioning as satan No reference to the creation of the archon – agreed – it is talking about human beings It also does say anything about the NFL or NBA Answer Luke 2 - John 6:4 - or tell us how you pray in the spirit - waiting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 15:18:21 GMT -5
Thanks for showing me many words in Hebrew
"strong mouthed head" APR 7495 verb 7496 noun "dead" 7497 noun "giant, Rephaims" 7498 personal name, "giant, Rapha"
Jeff Benner makes no comments about 7497 or 7498. Why Strong's see all these words differently, I don't know... The verb and noun sense, perhaps. But 7496-7498 are all nouns and all spelt the same letters APR.
The 25 contexts do not say where these "Rephaims" came from.
Dave: "Ps 82:6 is talking about human beings – we are the children of God – and we will die like mortal men. And be deceived by the prince of this world - the same arch who functioned as satan in Mat 4 – the prince of this world
No reference to the creation of the archon – agreed
SO if you agree "Humans are "" deceived by the prince of this world - the same arch who functioned as satan in Mat 4 – the prince of this world"" why do you NOT also follow the Ezekiel account, that "cherub = chata", that this "Satan" sinned as a fallen angel?
Thus the word "archon" meaning "sar", does not require creating, or further attention.
Than some of the "Rephaims" became more wicked, as a result of following Satan more, not from sexual encounters with "archons", which is the same word for "satan, and all the devil angels who fell with Him".
You don't like this idea, you cannot account for the creation of archons, and you make reference to other gnostic writings, showing the archons were created by the Holy Spirit, which really means created by the Father. This makes an evil elohiym and same side as the righteous elohiym, you are violating the word relationship.
Dave: "Answer Luke 2 - John 6:4 - - waiting
I don't see anything wrong with these texts, but you do, as other videos you have sown me already... I prefer to read Scripture I can read easily... salvation in Jesus is more important...hence my focus...
Spiritual Springs entire focus is not the science of salvation in Jesus. Over a 1000 pages devoted to this idea.
Dave: "Answer or tell us how you pray in the spirit - waiting
I don't know. I am currently doing a study of training to learn how to pray. Going through all of David's recorded prayers in the psalms. I have discovered some amazing things on prayers so far, in Psalm 2 for example, we "Kiss the Grain".. this means we sow the Grain in our mind, hoping for the Seeds of Life to flow, and this is how we support GOD... what praying in the Holy Spirit means...
To understand the theme, pray in the spirit, you have to study the word 'faith' and what 'faith' means...
When I walk with GOD, talking to GOD and GOD talking back to me, every minute of the day, we might see something dysfunctional, so we pray over some prayer promises, or Seeds, we kiss the Grain, the Words of Life, the power of Jesus flows from those words we pray or speak in our mind, and thus a divine flow happens, because we support GOD. The wrong way is to do things alone, get angry, or sin, or miss the divine flow, hence following the torah using only human effort, human powers, means nothing to GOD, but to humans seems pious and holy.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2019 16:45:32 GMT -5
Dave: "Answer Luke 2 - John 6:4 - - waitingI don't see anything wrong with these texts, Except that prove Mathew's account of the birth of Jesus to be WRONG - in ERROR - not inspired Or Mathew proves Luke - WRONG - in ERROR - not inspired Both cannot be correct / factual / describing the same event Oops' Roman agl in error WHAT? The Post Flood Rephiem had sexual encounters with the pre-flood bane elohiym? You make up stuff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 12:50:57 GMT -5
Dave whether I make up stuff, or make errors understanding your theories of faith, is besides the point, you are locked into your own viewpoint. I have tried to understand your view, but it doesn't follow the Hebrew... not even close...
Now your welcome to your view, hopefully it is only the light of experience you have that GOD judges us by, you have had a rough and terrible life of contrasting experiences...GOD uses you and gives you gifts.
Please comment on this request of yours:
Dave: "Answer or tell us how you pray in the spirit - waiting
I don't know. I am currently doing a study of training to learn how to pray. Going through all of David's recorded prayers in the psalms. I have discovered some amazing things on prayers so far, in Psalm 2 for example, we "Kiss the Grain".. this means we sow the Grain in our mind, hoping for the Seeds of Life to flow, and this is how we support GOD... what praying in the Holy Spirit means...
To understand the theme, pray in the spirit, you have to study the word 'faith' and what 'faith' means...
When I walk with GOD, talking to GOD and GOD talking back to me, every minute of the day, we might see something dysfunctional, so we pray over some prayer promises, or Seeds, we kiss the Grain, the Words of Life, the power of Jesus flows from those words we pray or speak in our mind, and thus a divine flow happens, because we support GOD. The wrong way is to do things alone, get angry, or sin, or miss the divine flow, hence following the torah using only human effort, human powers, means nothing to GOD, but to humans seems pious and holy.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 9, 2019 12:37:31 GMT -5
I am currently doing a study of training to learn how to pray. Maybe - I want to say - some things are not learned from a book If there was a magic formula - it would be easy Some things have to be experienced - all we can do from our end is keep on knocking as we reflect on the 'LEVEL' of committment required by Christ - follow me sounds easy This is THE big difference about Gnostic Christianity as presented in the Nag Hammadi Church says Circumsicion - Christ says circumsiscion of the spirit Church says Sacriment of Communion - Christ says - Baptism of the Spirit Church says believe and your in - Christ says if you are not FULL you are not in Church says - its OK - God will forgive you - Christs says - if you say you are Christian and are not FILLED with the Spirit - you are a pretender Do I need a church to tell me these things? Did Abraham need the witten Torah? You were at AHR - scholars abound - how many believers? All of the answers are not within the pages of a Book
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 2:01:29 GMT -5
Perhaps Dave. Have you studied this subject? Much of our website is devoted to this subject...
Is there a formula? yes sort of, much like how relationships in marriages work on a daily basis.
Jesus did say, fast and pray, for deeper flows of power, for public miracles done on others. I am interested in this flow of Jesus.
The latest miracles I know of happens with manna falling, because a 4 yr old girl supported Jesus in 1945. The manna still falls? not sure... the little girl would have died now? But her story is documented, but not known by many.
Are you aware of the science of salvation, the term is a fancy label for gnosis. Also the daily steps to Jesus, we do each day.
If I asked you what is exactly the steps you do daily, to be saved by Jesus daily, all found in correct chronological order from one passage of Scripture, what would be your answer?
It's really the same process a married couple does in order to maintain a relationship of bliss. Not much different really, except the Bible steps are for a divine power flow, NOT a human based power flow. Are you interested?
Dave: "Did Abraham need the written Torah?
No, he had oral torah, they have perfect memories in those days. Most of Bible is poetry in song form. Like the Koran, you sing the poems and thus memorize them that way.
We have done this for one prayer of David, in English; the 23rd: (the meanings closely follow the Hebrew - a shepherd is a feeder)
.My Saviour feeds me, day by day; •He lays me down, in His green way; •He leads me to the Spirit's side, •Where I drink of Him inside.
•He turns my soul, and guides my way; •In well worn paths, I do not stray, •He straightens me, I hold His Name, •Tenderly we show God's Fame.
•Yea I walk, through a steep valley, •Shadows of death, flow all round me, •I have no fear, no evil see, •Your branch and staff comfort me.
•A table set, facing His pressers; •My fattened head, with oil dressers, •My cup is soaked, with Your presence, •Our running flows, in righteousness.
•His goodness shows, mercy in flow, •Our living days, with Him will glow, •I will sit down, in the house of the Lord, •Eternal days, praising GOD.
I sing it every day, I walk to work. You enjoy your day, and walk in God's blessings too
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Post by Dave on Dec 12, 2019 7:59:15 GMT -5
Steps = rituals
Christians run around telling me that I do not have to wear a yamaka. Christians run around telling me I must do Sun day church. Catholics say I should do mass and pray the Rosary. Methodist work the method.
All of it ritual – man made ritual - Catholic inspired law
What was the steps involved for salvation in Luke 23:41-43?
What is the requirement of John 3:16?
What rituals did Abraham, David, or John perform in the wilderness?
Working the steps to salvation sounds like you are in a collage class. Only two more subjects and you can graduate.
ALL AGONY is self-imposed - If you make the class hard – perhaps you’ll never pass It has nothing to do with the things we do to try and be observant (practicing Jews) If we gnosis in our heart that God and Christ are real – we become saved (observant Jews)
James 2:14-26 We do not change to become Christian We become Christian – then we change
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 12:19:20 GMT -5
Christians run around telling me that I do not have to wear a yamaka. Explain, is this a Jewish cap in their head? Christians run around telling me I must do Sun day church. Catholics say I should do mass and pray the Rosary. Methodist work the method.
All of it ritual – man made ritualCorrect, man made ritual... I am not considering this... I am asking you what Scripture says about the steps to Jesus? These are communication steps... Lu 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.All four steps are in this passage, if you know the steps.... Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth "Hebrew amanuah" (Greek pisteuo) in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Only one step is in this passage, I have tried to get you interested in studying amanuah? James 2:14-26 We do not change to become Christian We become Christian – then we changeNot sure what your saying here, but the passage you speak about concerns the meaning of amanuah, "faith" and how it works.... The Hebrew word "man" "aman" and "amanuah" are all related words, having the same basic meaning... so we have to get this important Hebrew meaning right, and the English word "faith" doesn't cut it. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm Begin here and learn the basic meaning of this word.
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Post by Dave on Dec 15, 2019 15:44:01 GMT -5
James 2:14-26 We do not change to become Christian We become Christian – then we changeNot sure what your saying here, Why not - do you think you can learn your way to God from a book? You can become the greatest Hebrew expert that ever existed - doesn't make you saved You can become a Catholic Priest - a SDA Minister - a Baptist Preacher - doesn't make you a Christian But if you come to gnosis Christ personally - all the above makes sense instinctively - why - because we already gnosis from the womb - we have just forgotten My previous example - you will never find God in understanding John 1:1-4 But once you are born again - John 1:1-4 makes complete sense - simple - easy - without effort Why - because we are guided from within How can any Christian listen to the HS - when thay are busy following any man - regardless of his poetic elequence from within the man-made orthodoxy of authoritatarian christian leadership?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 13:21:14 GMT -5
Dave : "But if you come to gnosis Christ personally - all the above makes sense instinctively - why - because we already gnosis from the womb - we have just forgotten
If we are born with a divine relationship empowering us from our birth, this does not mean we have knowledge we have forgotten from our relationship with GOD. What do you mean by saying "we already gnosis from the womb" ?
It says in Scripture we begin with GOD as a babe, and we grow up learning more of GOD and our relationship with HIM.
Dave: "Why - because we are guided from within
Yes, correct. The voice of GOD is channelled via the Holy Spirit via the conscience in our mind. This means is also physical, some say the pineal gland, the third eye, is an organ sensitive to divine communication, I don't know, but IMO, the conscience is a physical organ, placed there by GOD, so humans can speak to animals, plants and more importantly directly to the Divine. Both wicked and righteous people have this ability to hear GOD speak to them, but only the conscience speaks to woo us all into a salvation experience. The wicked hear but do not obey, and for some the conscience is seared and do not hear anymore.
Now the Jewish video that the soul is eternal, is wrong. This is perhaps the "we already gnosis from the womb", the entity you're referring to? The soul is not eternal. Our nephesh has a relationship with the Holy Spirit, and the Divine presence of GOD causes us to be a living entity, but this does not make nephesh eternal, even though the Holy Spirit is eternal. Relationships with the Divine can be broken. Or by choice we can allow Salvation to come in , thus our nephesh is granted ongoing living through Jesus Christ. Jews mix their terms in the video.
"we already gnosis from the womb", When you say this, it seems we have all the knowledge of GOD from the womb, but we have forgotten it. Not sure about this? Sure the divine comes over the dust and we become a living entity with GOD, able to do and freely choose. But does this mean we have forgotten all there is about the Divine? And there we grow up learning it all over again?
I am not sure I would say it that way... it suggests pantheism that GOD is inside the nephesh of the man from the womb. What's to stop you saying the "rocks gnosis from the creation"? It is a subtle but wrong understanding I feel. Sure God's power upholds everything, but God is not personally in all things we call matter.
SO while the breath of Ruwach, empowers the nephesh, it is wrong I feel to suggest GOD gnosis with us the womb. I just see it as GOD with man in relationship, and leave it there. When you form a relationship with your wife, you don't own her and she doesn't own you, yet you are in Scripture a single entity of flesh, but different styles of loving. Relationships have to by definition respect the personality of love from each entity. This idea the man lord's over his wife, from Scripture is a misapplication. The two become one. That is what a relationship does over time. We begin as babes in GOD and through Salvation we grow up into an eternal relationship.
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Post by Dave on Dec 17, 2019 9:08:21 GMT -5
Think we have been over this about a thousand times From God we came and to God we will return We existed in the heavens (Jewish well of Souls) in full awareness of the Lord We were taught the Torah in the Womb by God
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.
We are born with full gnosis – our mission during our Souljourn is to remember and help fellow Souls
Psa 22:9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb; Thou didst make me trust when I was upon my mother's breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb; Thou art my God since my mother bare me.
Psa 139:13 For thou didst form my inward parts: Thou didst cover me in my mother's womb.
Isa 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye peoples, from far: Jehovah hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name:
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
Should I post more verses
YES – we forgot and it is our mission to remember
Now you are saying John 3:16 is wrong? If man is in the Book of Life – he simply continues – eternally If not in the Book of Life – second death – death of spirit
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