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Post by Dave on Nov 23, 2019 9:49:01 GMT -5
Choshek and RA are created by God – I’ve been saying this – God created everything One comes naturally from God – I say come directly from God The other is a manifestation of the Creator, but not a natural part of God I say the other is created indirectly – a by-product – a consequence - yet you argue vocabulary Works for you when it fits your kabbalah but is not allowed when it doesn’t fit your kabbalah. If Exk and isa are absolute proof fact that satan was a cherub and has free will – then were can be sheep and Jesus is a lamb – remember – there is zero Polysemy according to you You cannot have it both ways If Ezk 28 and Isa 14 are proof of your satan then 1Ch 21:1 and 2Sa 24:1 is proof that God is satan Amen – a Jewish Kabbalah thinker understood the cosmos’s better that anyone ever had –in fact Kabbalistic Jews win most of the science awards – especially physics – why is that? But – the one time use of the expression – ‘O Cherub’ = fact beyond doubt – curious See this is the difference between a Catholic and a Messianic Jew A Messianic Jews believes the words of Jesus Christ more than Paul’s – periodMat 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.(Πληρόω) Πληρόω – G4137 - From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply. Christ came to – make replete, satisfy, execute an office, finish a period or task, verify (prophesy) And to – fill, make full, fully preach, perfectly supply Anyone who says Jesus changes things = Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus calls us to grafted into the Jewish family – Messianic Jewish (Rom 11) Paul says – hate the Jews and be Roman Catholic – its Ok God will forgive you for being liberal Ok I will – my God is omnipotent – any enemy of His would last lest than a measurable nanosecond in any type of conflict. Like the battel between a bug and your windshield – it would be over before it started. Did your car even notice that bug? NO - NO CONTEST!Do you know the last thing that goes through a bug’s mind when it hits your windshield? Ex 20:13 = no murder – if it said no kill how could Israel ever be at war with anyone? – what about Ex 12 Perhaps your shadday = the Chief Archon And through the HS – the Chief Archon came into existence – the feminine expression of arrogance Gnostic – feminine expression of arrogance The Nag Hammadi Library - The Hypostasis of the Archons (The Reality of the Rulers) On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth, the great apostle – referring to the "authorities of the darkness" – told us that "our contest is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.
Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, "god of the blind."
His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power – that is, the blasphemy he had spoken – he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power - after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.The Nag Hammadi Library - The (First) Apocalypse of James It is the Lord who spoke with me: "See now the completion of my redemption. I have given you a sign of these things, James, my brother. For not without reason have I called you my brother, although you are not my brother materially. And I am not ignorant concerning you; so that when I give you a sign - know and hear."
"Nothing existed except Him-who-is. He is unnameable and ineffable. I myself am also unnameable, from Him-who-is, just as I have been given a number of names - two from Him-who-is. And I, I am before you. Since you have asked concerning femaleness, femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first. And it prepared for itself powers and gods. But it did not exist when I came forth, since I am an image of Him-who-is. But I have brought forth the image of him so that the sons of Him-who-is might know what things are theirs and what things are alien (to them). Behold, I shall reveal to you everything of this mystery. For they will seize me the day after tomorrow. But my redemption will be near."
James said, "Rabbi, you have said, 'they will seize me.' But I, what can I do?" He said to me, "Fear not, James. You too will they seize. But leave Jerusalem. For it is she who always gives the cup of bitterness to the sons of light. She is a dwelling place of a great number of archons. But your redemption will be preserved from them. So that you may understand who they are and what kinds they are, you will [...]. And listen. They are not [...] but archons [...]. These twelve [...] down [...] archons Thank you for the validation
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 15:05:37 GMT -5
You find much harmony between us Dave, and that is good for you. You have a ministry and a purpose, with gifts, from GOD, so He uses you for His purpose. We ponder confusion, yes we do, and it has been very helpful for me to view Jewish and Gnostic views about Scripture.
The major obstacle you raise is this one: I will comment here - you raise two points
Dave: "If Exk and is a are absolute proof fact that satan was a cherub and has free will – then were can be sheep and Jesus is a lamb – remember – there is zero Polysemy according to you
You cannot have it both ways
If Ezk 28 and Isa 14 are proof of your satan then 1Ch 21:1 and 2Sa 24:1 is proof that God is satan
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1Ch 21:1 ¶ And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 1Ch 21:7 And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. 1Ch 21:10 Go and tell David, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things: choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee. 1Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
Notice this sin and its consequence is about David's pride and his slide towards trusting the might of his human army, rather than trusting the might of God's army. David is sliding more from tov towards ra, this is a sin of pride, he no longer trusts humbly in God as His ruler.
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2Sa 24:1 ¶ And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Notice the term "anger of the Lord" ...why was He who exists, nosed before David numbered Israel and sinned?
De 31:6 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. 27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? 28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. 29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.
Here He who exists is nosed because the people of Israel are stiff necks. In other words they sin. Who is the ruler and father of ra? Satan is, and thus Satan, the "star elohiym" rules over Israel, rather than the "YHWH-elohiym".
Notice Prayer 75 of David, explains this well:-
Ps 75:5 Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck. 6 ¶ For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. 7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. 8 For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
The "YHWH-elohiym" is a judge, that implies there is an opposing attorney who also judges, that's what a court is for, one is opposing the other. There are two opposing forces, two opposing opponents, two opposing powers of elohiym. Notice the stiff necks sin, following the wrong heavenly power, they follow "star-elohiym".
SO GOD pours out from the cup of salvation, those dregs He doesn't like...and gets nosed over the wicked mixed with the straight.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer "heylel", son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
This one star heylel, wanted to be above the stars of heaven.
Am 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch (melek 'king') and Chiun your images, the star "kowkab" of your god "elohiym", which ye made to yourselves.
This star became the "star-elohiym" who opposes "YHWH-elohiym".
Ob 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
pride, "cela rock" and "Eagle" are similes of this "star elohiym" GOD will bring down.
"cela rock" is a simile of Jesus, but this "star elohiym" to opposes Jesus, by becoming a look-alike-jesus, looking like Jesus in every way, except being the real Jesus.
You will find "eagle" is a simile of the Holy Spirit but this "star elohiym" opposes the Holy Spirit, by becoming a look-alike-spirit, functioning like the Spirit in every way, except being the real Holy Spirit.
This is the confusion we ponder.
The story of Job has these two powers of "elohiym" in a heavenly court. It would imply Job sins otherwise why does YHWH-elohiym allow this "star-elohiym" to do consequences of sinning to Job? This is the friends debate. But GOD doesn't agree with the friends. God doesn't answer the question, as the Jewish rabbi says, when I see and talk to GOD, the question need not be asked. How much consequence is there after I sin before the Lord? David feels is better to fall into God's mercy, and so the consequences of sinning bear fruit.
This heavenly court thing is serious, every sin is written down and examined by the opposing elohiym powers, that's what the Hebrew word satan means, to oppose.
Now to your next point (2)
Polysemy is where a Hebrew word is thought to have radically different multiple meanings. For example
H1 "Ab" means "father" or "fruit".
Part of the problem is we don't understand the broadness of Hebrew, or have forgotten the Hebrew from Eden times. "Ab" has letter inside that mean "Strong home". So what does a "Strong home" mean in a broad basic sense? A provider.
Song 6:11 ¶ I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, (KJV) who views "Ab" with polysemy
Song 6:11 ¶ I went down into the garden of nuts to see the "providers" of the valley, (Ancient Hebrew - with no polysemy)
Ps 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. (KJV) who views "Ab" with polysemy)
Ps 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our providers have told us. (Ancient Hebrew - with no polysemy)
The next point is dealing with poetry, half of Scripture is poetry. What do we do with similes: Are they literals...?
Ps 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Poetry beginning with Nun, the letter "across the nations of people"
Three similes here
word simile of lamp lamp simile of light feet simile of path
unpack this poetry using line upon line principle
Pr 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
More poetry with three more similes
commandment simile of lamp torah simile light instruction simile of life
again unpack these similes using line upon line principles
Pr 1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Here the poetry begins with Nun letter, the "bn" The heavenly Father is a simile of the earthly father The heavenly Mother is a simile of the torah from thy earthly mother
So putting this poetry back we have
Ps 119:105 NUN. The Bible words is a simile of the Father unto my feet, and like the Holy Spirit, a light unto my path.
Does this mean we can equate the Father as a Lamp? and the Holy Spirit as light?
Notice David quotes
1Ch 21:17 .. but as for these sheep, what have they done? ... but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
David calls Israel sheep. Are they literally sheep?
What about Jesus saying this?
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 60 ¶ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
So blood simile of manna, a simile of living.
We have to eat Jesus flesh and drink his blood daily... Many Jews said this is a hard saying and left Him.
So when Jews circumcised they were doing a literal. But was this the literal GOD wanted for salvation? no
De 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
SO if we cut out the foreskin around the heart, how can we also live? We can't. So this literal is impossible for humans to do and live. Did it happen with Jesus? yes, But he too died when He circumcised his heart for us.
SO "Faith" is the meaning of support.
Manna is a literal we eat, so I receive support from GOD, the manna came by miracle, but it is literal and I eat it literally.
The Words in the Bible are similes of manna. When we eat them daily, our minds are empowered by their inherit power in them, and we support GOD who supports us back, thus we no longer sin, when we do this.
So walking past ra food, I say Lord lead me from ra today, and claiming the power promised in those words, my mind does not sin and I walk away from ra food, and choose tov food instead. Thus minute by minute my mind is supporting GOD and God supporting me, from the words I eat in my mind. That's what faith or support means.
It's still a literal, but spiritually understood.
SO as followers of Jesus, we are functionally as literal sheep, but this idea is spiritually understood. The shepherd in Hebrew means Feeder, the sheep are the responders to the feeding.
The Father is a lamp. This means the Provider is our source, as a lamp is a source. It is a literal saying, but spiritually understood.
The light is torah, a witness to the Father, as the Mother is a witness to the Father. The light spreads forth, and gives us directions to walk before GOD.
This is how I see poetry and the similes of poetry...they are literals but these literal have other applications of meanings, ie spiritually understood.
For example the Father is not literally a lamp. For one thing a lamp is made of matter, the Father is not made of matter, but functionally the similes are similar, but remember we see things darkly with heavenly things.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 24, 2019 8:47:01 GMT -5
So metaphores and smiles exists all over scripture - except in Ezk 28 and Ia 14 No wonder why you have to write so much to justify your point Ezk 28 is about the King of Tyre and America in prophesy Isa 14 is about Cyrus, Babylon, and the planet Venus When you convince the entire Jewish community and Messianic Jewish community that Roman Catholicism is correct - then I’ll listen You try your best to make the same point over and over that your satan god is the father of things and the creator of other things and he is so powerful that God is unable to defeat Him in battel and the war continues - I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF IT It is 100% Roman Catholic Dave: "Why is the story of Eve in garden important? You can sin whenever you want – satan makes you want Just as satan made Eve want the fruitHang on Dave, by saying this, you're saying Satan sinned. And Satan has free will? And thus Satan cannot be good guy doing bad job...if I cause you to shoot somebody, in court I am just as guilty of sin and the murderer is? correct? Did you just goof?? Think what you said...Satan cannot be good guy doing bad job...because in Job, he kills Job's sons...all of them... Does GOD kill them? no.... You can’t get over absolutes 1- God kills all the time – yep Mr TOV – Mr Feel Good God kills all the time and will kill you in the end if you are not written in the Book of Life 2- If your satan is a sinner (you want to prove it) and your satan has free will (you want to prove it) then why doesn’t he REPENT – why doesn’t he evade Rev 12 /20 – why don’t all the demons repent – in the NT they knew exactly who Jesus was and exactly their fates – why don’t they just repent and return us to a TOV only world? You can’t answer that Catholic – you never answer that The answer = they do not have the free will choice to repent as man does You confuse the decision between Coke and Pepsi as a free will choice – good for you – I don’t Free Will is only about the choice to seek God or not. What about the 17 miracles of the Mormon church – satan did them – in the appearance of good to lead others astray – or God did them and we should be Mormon? Answer that one Catholic – how does that fit in with Exk 28 and Isa 14 Why satan made Eve want = he was an angel doing what it was supposed to do – obeying the will of the Creator – is that a sin? No it cannot be a sin to obey the Lord Is you satan one guy - is evey tine you see the word satan in the text you see it as only one single being? I do not - it can be any angel - or archon - or man - used by the Lord as 'the accusor' There is nothing (vocabulary or source material) taboo in a Gnostic forum 1 Thes 5:21 Only Roman Christendom says – do listen to anyone but us Want to hear a Messianic Jewish attack upon the Roma Edit (Notice the date stamp)Survival of the Hebrew Gospels - Shabbat Night Live - 11/22/19youtu.be/dbzXWU0eGMI
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 13:50:11 GMT -5
The video is good, great even...thanks Dave
I know Nehemiah Gordon, Ron Wyatt and now Michael Rood.
I also have rock pictures from Dr Kim, from My Sinai...
Jones only touches on this Greek invasion of Hebrew. DO you have any more video on Jones, on this subject?
This showing of Kuff letter, is showing us Ancient Hebrew, that Jeff Benner presents. My Jew forum writers did NOT like this idea... Funny how Jones is presenting what Jeff Benner knows already.
That's why I convert my studies not just to modern Hebrew, but Ancient Hebrew... and read that, because it the oldest Hebrew Moses wrote.
What the big deal about John 6:4? Any videos on that? More about Greek invasion into Hebrew gospels? This oldest Bible Ittla? Where is it today?
Shalom my friend
To answer your queries:
You can’t get over absolutes 1- God kills all the time – yep Mr TOV – Mr Feel Good God kills all the time and will kill you in the end if you are not written in the Book of Life 2- If your satan is a sinner (you want to prove it) and your satan has free will (you want to prove it) then why doesn’t he REPENT
3-I do not - it can be any angel - or archon - or man - used by the Lord as 'the accusor'
4- Why satan made Eve want = he was an angel doing what it was supposed to do – obeying the will of the Creator – is that a sin?
5- What about the 17 miracles of the Mormon church – satan did them – in the appearance of good to lead others astray – or God did them and we should be Mormon?
1) God draw out Israel.. and within 10 days they are sinning again as stiff neck. So how does GOD deal with a corrupt people? Who's doing the killing? stiff necks human powers, or God's powers from GOD?
2) If you sear the conscience, the Holy Spirit communication channel is closed, and you have an unpardonable condition over you, by your actions of choice... God can't talk to you anymore, even when sinning... this is the only verse that answers your question, assuming when applied to humans it also applies to cherub.
3) correct "this first cherub who sinned has millions of other cherubs who also sinned with him, that they deceive the world in a variety of ways and powers, as you show...
4) If Gabriel, an all tov cherub, was asked by GOD to help make Adam and Eve sin, that act of talking by Gabriel is itself a sin as well.
Ro 14:23 for whatsoever is not of faith (support) is sin.(KJV)
If you don't support others correctly it is sin to them and you.
Notice this verse answers you question:
Eze 4:12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
Here is an instruction by the Lord to His prophet...
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
The prophet quotes torah, against the Lord... why? Because GOD cannot violate His own laws and principles...
SO why did GOD say this in the first place...to test His prophet, and answer questions like your saying...
Eze 4:15 Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.
SO GOD changes the directions for the Prophet to something He can do.
So no, a tov angel could not do such as thing, as make one sin.
5) I know little about Mormons... Satan can do miracles too, but is limited to do only what GOD tells me to do...otherwise it's not a fair contest over the two powers of elohiym...
"star elohiym" and "YHWH elohiym" you mentioned nothing about this study I showed you? In Amos...study the word star...
Dave:" When you convince the entire Jewish community and Messianic Jewish community that Roman Catholicism is correct - then I’ll listen
What make you think I follow Roman Catholicism ? I follow Ancient Hebrew. I can't help it if the Hebrew words "cherub and sin" are written in Ezek 28:16... I didn't write them there...
You say its metaphor... whatever that word means...?
So now the Hebrew words can't be used...?
Consider JOnes comment, that NUN is a staff changing to a snake...
Who is what is the snake?
SO take the word "MN" in Greek manna, used by Jesus... has two letters
"flowing snake" is that what Jones is saying... or what God's staff changing into a snake that eats the Satanic snakes, we have a different picture...
"flow over the nations"
Now we have a positive picture... Jesus sent the "man" down to eat, because his powers flows better than the snake power, and thus eating Jesus as a power is better than the Satan snake as a power.
Isn't this what the whole Egypt/ Israel rescue was about.. the slavery, the sinning, the entire picture tells you... have a look at Egyptian gods... is a struggle over snake religion verses GOD's religion.
And you're telling me that both religions are on the same side? I don't think so. God wrought them out of Egypt for a reason... The God snake ate the Satan snake.... The sun god ra, the Egyptians worshipped... why? Did Satan deceive them in saying the ra sun god is a natural design of GOD, so its OK to have these gods in your lives? But your telling me this Greek invasion into Hebrew religion happened along time ago...
What about Egyptian invasion into Jewish religion for 400 years before the exodus... the ra god forced them to work on Sabbaths... yet according to you this god is on the same side as the YWHH of heaven? Look at my DATE STAMP, the invasion into Hebrew happened 400 years before the Exodus. long before Greek invasion, and the Rome edit.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 25, 2019 8:46:46 GMT -5
So now your saying that all the demons in hell are cherubs – angels of the second highest order – right up there from the throne of God
WOW – you think very highly of your satan god and his following – all of his demons are of a higher order than archangels
Gabriel is not a cherub – he is an archangel So God told satan to sin in Job? Satan did what God told him to do – sin?
At least you know what His principles are – you should tell God what he can and cannot do.
First you made the point that only the Roman Catholic Bible (from Greek) is trustworthy Then you make the comment that only Roman Catholic’s understand their Greek version of the OT Only Roman Catholics have a creator evil god named satan – no one else has
I said Abraham knew the Torah Gen 26:5 – you questioned me Now your saying all of Israel knew the Sabbath before Sinai – Which is it for you – is the Torah and Gospel – only something written in a book that you can fined in your dictionary and approve of?
Your saying that the ahl did not happen according to God’s will Other gods of yours can change god’s will – can change the direction of scripture Doesn’t this make all prophesy useless? – God’s will might change – God’s plan on earth can change if your satan god decides so – your satan god is in charge of God Other gods of yours are more powerful than the creator
You make God and His ahl very weak – almost not worth studying – why bother? At any time your satan god can change God’s plan – overwrite God’s will and all future prophesy is hopeless (if satan has free will – he can change it at any time)
If satan has free will – why doesn’t he repent? Answer that Catholic – you have evaded this question just like Luke 2:2 – why don’t at least one demon anywhere repent?
Instead 1/3rd of all the Cherubim (the second highest order of angels) prefer satan over their own Creator (does this mean none of the lower order of angels left – or did some of them change rank and duties like your Gabriel?) because even Gabriel gets promoted in your world to a Cherub
Coptic Christians, Eastern Orthodox, Syrian Christians, Greek Orthodox All of Christianity except Roman centered churches – Catholics and all of its offspring called Protestants But your Catholic training caused you to reject this material earlier in our conversations because they were not of Roman received text
How is your study of the Canon coming – have you uncovered the big debate over Hebrews? Or why Mark was rejected for a time and have you also discovered that your Catholic Bible wasn’t even settled until 1634 – Opps! 1851 – Opps! – and last altered by the Bible Society of England and America 1879 (a Roman Catholic / Protestant organization)
Does your version of the “received text” include Maccabees? Why or why not? Why does the Jewish Holiday Chanukah come from the Roman Catholic Bishops Bible and Maccabees? The ahl – had already stopped
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Dave: "Gabriel is not a cherub – he is an archangel
What's an archangel? Are you not confusing a being with the function of a being?
I do not know of any Hebrew word in the OT for archangel?
Dave:"At least you know what His principles are – you should tell God what he can and cannot do.
SO your saying GOD doesn't follow his own laws? If GOD is both tov and ra, he doesn't follow his own laws can He? Sin is defined as any Being doing ra. In fact creating ra would be a sin, if it leads any being to sin. But while GOD created ra, because many cherubs did sin, He made it a simple choice for Adam and Eve, eating a tree's fruit, so the consequences of ra was withheld.
Dave: "If satan has free will – why doesn’t he repent? Answer that Catholic – you have evaded this question just like Luke 2:2 – why don’t at least one demon anywhere repent?
What is the only unforgivable sin? In Christian hamartiology, eternal sins, unforgivable sins, or unpardonable sins are sins which will not be forgiven by God. One eternal or unforgivable sin (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) is specified in several passages of the Synoptic Gospels, including Mark 3:28–29, Matthew 12:31–32, and Luke 12:10.
I suspect millions of cherubs did repent, and were saved by refusing to listen to the first cherub who sinned. But millions of cherubs didn't listen to the Holy Spirit speaking to them, and now are eternally lost. This is what the war was about...the war over the souls of cherub, until every soul is hotly seared for tov or ra. In the case of some human races, this took 400 years to be made complete (Amalekites), so GOD could remove them as a tribe of people. If human dealings is similar to cherub dealings, we have some evidence of how long this war continued for and why...
Dave: "Instead 1/3rd of all the Cherubim (the second highest order of angels) prefer satan over their own Creator (does this mean none of the lower order of angels left – or did some of them change rank and duties like your Gabriel?) because even Gabriel gets promoted in your world to a Cherub
I can't answer these questions because Hebrew doesn't say. It only speaks of cherub, and malak. Cherub is a Being. Malak is a function. As for archangel, this is not a Hebrew word, and I suspect is a function, rather than a Being, so I don't know. I have learned Jews view 10 categories of angels, yet where they get this idea, I don't know. The Hebrew is silent on details.
Coptic Christians, Eastern Orthodox, Syrian Christians, Greek Orthodox
I am happy to follow any of these, but where are they? Do they have a website? First I assume they keep Sabbath as the meeting special place for GOD? ie the 7th day of the week?
Second they consider elohiym as a family of divine power.
Third they consider Jesus as our redeemer and Saviour for humans. Thus they understand the Hebrew Gospels, is as important as the OT torah.
Dave: "I said Abraham knew the Torah Gen 26:5 – you questioned me Now your saying all of Israel knew the Sabbath before Sinai –
Sabbath was kept from Genesis times:
Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested "Sabbath-verb" on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
The Hebrew word has two action forms, "Sabbath-verb "to cease"" and the "Sabbath-noun "ceasing-day"".
On the first ceasing time, God ceases on this day, but it cannot become a day of ceasing until the evening and morning the eighth day, ie Sunday... hence to make the creation in seven days, the ceasing is only incomplete in time.
So creation took seven days, rather than 8 days. And what was created on the 7th day? Time... a special time called the week.
The word "shabbath" means "ceasing day" as a noun.
SO yes the broad torah, the ten commandments were certainly known way back in Adam's day, even the torah of the sin-offering.
Dave: "because even Gabriel gets promoted in your world to a Cherub
A Being cannot become another Being. This is a violation of kind. When Jesus who is of divinity as a kind, He only added humanity to His kind... how is this possible, I don't know. What I imagine is divinity is encapsulated within humanity. Is this possible? Well when the divine creates matter, the powers of GOD are manifest in the energy of matter, so the matter is made tangible. God is not in the matter as a Being, but His powers to sustain matter are. Some religions like pantheism make confusion of this concept, so I don't know much about such things. However Jesus is 100% divine and 100% human. How? Don't know...
Do you have a electronic Bible that is complete free of Roman Catholic edit, on the Internet that I can use? An Interlinear with Hebrew and English?
Dave: "How is your study of the Canon coming – have you uncovered the big debate over Hebrews?
DO you have an videos or websites on this idea? Does you own website talk about this? I like what Miles Jones is doing, similar to Jeff Benner. Still researching...
My problem is when I present to you Hebrew words, you write them off as metaphor. whatever that word means? Ezek 28:16 "cherub chata".
Do you also write off other mention of Hebrew ? such as Amos "kowkab elohiym"
What does first of Father's laws says?
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods "elohiym's" before me.
How can this apply to earth? Humans can't be "elohiym" even though we might be made close of "elohiym" and Jesus says we are children of elohiym.
SO who are these other "elohiym's" that challenge the Father?
When humans worshipped gods, did they represent other heavenly powers?
Amos tells you who "kowkab elohiym" Am 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
SO the opposing elohiym, is a star.... which star ?
See I don't really need Ezekiel 28:16 at all, other Bible line upon line, also tell me things...
Well get back to you on John 6:4
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2019 7:40:43 GMT -5
So your satan god lacks the free will to repent – I thought your satan god had no limits he does not have to follow God’s rules – he can change God’s will – he can over power God’s will – but now is limited by God’s will / rules / plan Where is your Hebrew for this – or is this wishful thinking It would take you 2 minutes of honest research to know this Shame on you for not knowing the whole of Christianity – you only know the Catholic world As a Christian – I do not understand why Catholics have the desire to know as much about Christianity as possible – instead they only are interested in the Roman view – using a Roman text – promoting a Roman doctrine – which is – God isn’t all that powerful god satan is giving Him a run for his money – in fact satan is winning so much the end result of 2000 years of catholic teaching = If God is real – he is weak or does not care – you hear it from every non-believer you meet You are happy to follow any of these – if they believe exactly as you do – they don’t – no one does – who have you discussed that you agree 100% with? Why in the world you be willing to follow any religion? I don’t follow any man-made authority This is a big difference between you and I – you need an expert somewhere to agree with you – you need a dictionary to prove your points Yes – the Torah and Gospel existed since Gen 1:3 – as an understanding – as a common knowledge – brought to the realm by our souls. The 10 Commandments existed with or without Moses or Israel Then why the need for either – The written Torah and then to give it only to the 1% of the global population – not the whole world – just a small fraction of it – the promise is only to Abraham Creation took 6 days – no one believes as you do – shoe me a supporting religious doctrine – from any religious group other than yourself You already argued that all of your beautiful cherubs morphed into the ugly possessing demons of the agl How about Elijah – does he become a malak or a cherub? First you argue that elohiym only means God - God’s family – now you address ‘other elohiym’ As I have always said – ‘other gods’ = Archon On this idea? It is not some strange idea – it is history! Church History You told me once that history has no bearing on theology – yet you do not know the history Every seminary has classes on church history. There is so much information available for those who want to know You have to do your own leg work I have been fortunate – seriously blessed with opportunityWhen my serious studies first began – I was working in Warsaw, Indiana. My staff were always pre-med students from the local Grace College. www.grace.edu/ Grace is also a Theological Seminary. My staff would check out books from their library for me. This opened a few doors. Closer to home was Goshen College and its seminary www.ambs.edu/ - there library was small, but open to the public. Bethel College www.betheluniversity.edu/ was in Mishawaka, Indiana and was also open to the public. I spent time at IUSB www.iusb.edu/ and loved their library – many private glass rooms. Now because I had an IUSB Library Card – I had access to the library at St Mary’s College www.saintmarys.edu/ - If you want to be a Catholic Nun in America – you come to St Mary’s – which is owned and operated by the city of Notre Dame, Indiana – the only College in America that is also a public municipality (town/city). The Library at Notre Dame is world famous – inside it is one of America’s best theological collections - library.nd.edu/ I have seen with my own eyes very ancient Greek manuscripts – behind glass But – with my IUSB Library Card I could see them on microfiche film I have dabbled at agl Greek for years – since high school (10th grade was my first class) – I have taught agl Greek classes to lay-people - but seeing the real stuff proved to me I am no scholar! I do not want to give the impression that I have spent countless hours studying anything – seldom do I read a book cover to cover – I look things up until I am happy and I done with the rest But I do love libraries – for me to go to a majestic library to gather information – to do research – seems academic (better religious time than Sun day church for me personally) – I like going to Temple – the more majestic the library the more chance I’ll be there. – All of my own history has been with 60 miles from my home – I drove past these places as I worked, shopped, and played I have already told you that here in Colorado – I found it more difficult – less open – paying students only and card carrying pastors only I know Australia is a big place – but do you know these places? Hope College Australia·SeminaryVarsity Lakes QLD, Australia · +61 7 5551 0269 Queensland Theological College (QTC) Spring Hill QLD, Australia · +61 7 3062 6939 Brisbane School of TheologyToowong QLD, Australia · +61 7 3870 8355 I have spent a lot of money on education – it keeps my mind busy I have spent a lot of money on my library I thought of taking Chuck Missler classes (Koinonia House -https://www.khouse.org) I have a long list of things I wish I had and could read www.jstor.org/stable/1507763?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contentsmekorjudaica.com/midrash-rabba-kleinman-edition-11094.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2LWNvfKH5gIVj5OzCh3ZMQLHEAQYAiABEgIaVfD_BwE - $700 USD Sometimes – you have to wonder if a guy can afford to be academic Archon - this is my entire point IMO – I hate Bible Studies of John 1:1-4 with new churchians. They will never find the Lord by understanding the mathematical implications of this passage. They will never find the Lord searching the metaphysical or philosophical meaning of this passage. Instead – once they find the Lord – this passage becomes clear no matter how you look at it
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Dave: "So your satan god lacks the free will to repent – I thought your satan god had no limits he does not have to follow God’s rules – he can change God’s will – he can over power God’s will – but now is limited by God’s will / rules / plan
Rob: "Technically you cannot answer the origin of evil and sin. Your answer is GOD creates ra, thus by your definition sinning and ra is a natural design of GOD, even though GOD loves the tov and disdains the ra. This is actually a violation of the definition of love.
If you pat the head of your dog some days, and whack him on the head other days, fairly soon your dog will growl instead of love. Why? you reap what you sow. Having a GOD who creates both ra and tov, does not solve problem where ra comes from, it only makes explaining things more difficult. So why does GOD allow "ha satan" to kill all of Job's sons? Isn't that murder ? Isn't GOD an accessory to murder?
A creature by definition can never be more power than its Creator, so why do you mock me? If you have a look at the power of love on earth, in a world of ra, love is NOT a strong force is it? Or has Satan changed the rules of cultural love? Scripture does allow beating children, only to drive them away from ra, when in a world of ra. Tantrums overpower love, disobedience over powers love, murder overpowers livings, slander overpowers kind words, lying over powers truth... do I need to show you more how ra is stronger than tov, in a world of tov and ra. Especially when the relationships of ra all around us are so common.
Your saying relationships never existed in heaven, relationships was never created by GOD at all. The angels, whatever that word means, have no free will relationships, they are like robotic servants... again this is not love...relationships have to by definition require the free will to let go, and be on my own... thus according to your creation of a multiverse, GOD does not like relationships, and thus does not like love.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
The phrase has relationships in it, Father, Mother, ,Son, the Father gave mankind His Son.
So if relationships is what love and heaven and GOD is all about, all relationships by definition have to have free will to let go of GOD, otherwise it's not a relationship, and you only role playing.
So by definition, what happen is relationships go wrong?
When a Father creates Beings , who is the bigger? The Creator is. Not the creature. What is between the two Beings? Relationship.
Sin is the definition of missing relationship.
So when I read in Hebrew, a metaphor about King Tyre with these words, "cherub chata" written by a Hebrew prophet, I see relationships gone wrong.
King Tyre relationship went wrong Cherub relationship went wrong.
You don't want to see this, but its in the Hebrew clearly.
Dave: "Where is your Hebrew for this – or is this wishful thinking
Outside writings from a prophet called Ellen White writes about this. But you label her a false prophet, so I won't show it to you. Scripture does not add these details. We don't have to know.
Ps 131:1 ... neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Many things do not concern us, why must you know all things?
Dave: "It would take you 2 minutes of honest research to know this
Really? which word in Hebrew would I study? cherub (66 verses) malak (197verses)? seraphim (0 verses??)
Dave:"If God is real – he is weak or does not care – you hear it from every non-believer you meet
God is real, He talks to even wicked person via the conscience, as long as you listen to the still small voice. Everybody has this agency, but not everybody listens, and some have the communication seared, so the voice is not heard anymore, ie Satan, Hitler, Stalin, etc.
Dave:"Why in the world you be willing to follow any religion? I don’t follow any man-made authority This is a big difference between you and I – you need an expert somewhere to agree with you – you need a dictionary to prove your points
Scripture says to not forsake the assembly of believers...
I follow Hebrew words because I am Hebrew, a word that means to cross over from ra to tov. "you need a dictionary to prove your points" I have never used a dictionary on you, I only present Hebrew. You use Gnostic writings and other writings on me, traditions of men etc, commentaries of other humans... I only read Hebrew... and follow Hebrew...
Dave:"Creation took 6 days – no one believes as you do – shoe me a supporting religious doctrine – from any religious group other than yourself
You said yourself, we follow our own beliefs, not some religion... correct... the closest to mine is the SDA assembly. I go to it sometimes. I would imagine the closest to your assembly is the Messanic Church, a Jewish church.. but you have not every spoken which assembly you attend. I would attend others if they were around, because I see passionate Jesus people, not those with knowledge about Jesus.
Week of time, was created by ceasing.... what a notion... is time not an aspect of creation? What is time? What is a week? Was it not also created?
Dave: "You already argued that all of your beautiful cherubs morphed into the ugly possessing demons of the agl
How about Elijah – does he become a malak or a cherub?
Yes by doing more ran and less tov, our characters change, but the kind of creature we are cannot change. Assuming cherub is similar to human? Not sure. Bible doesn't say.
Elijah is a malak, a function, to be a messenger. Elijah cannot be a cherub, that's a different kind.
King Tyre is a human, but as you say metaphor, was written with another kind, the cherub who sinned. Thus there is something in this metaphor that is the same?
It's the relationship... both are examples of relationships gone wrong.
Dave: "First you argue that elohiym only means God - God’s family – now you address ‘other elohiym’
As I have always said – ‘other gods’ = Archon
Ephesian 3:15,16 Defines elohiym as family power. Are there other family powers?
Judges are family powers Humans are family powers the first star who sinned (cherub chata) Amos 5 (star elohiym) is also a family power.
Your term "archon" is a Greek word, the Hebrew word is "sar" it just means "prince".
The word "prince" is a function or title of a Being. Sure there are other princes...but the first relationship that went wrong is called "satan" the opposing relationship.
Dave: "On this idea? It is not some strange idea – it is history! Church History You told me once that history has no bearing on theology – yet you do not know the history
I would study history to validate the Hebrew... Also Gerald Schroeder, Also Jonathon Sarfetti , these are Jewish. Also Don Patton does this best.
Dave: "There is so much information available for those who want to know You have to do your own leg work
I do, I study Jeff Benner.
Dave: "I have been fortunate – seriously blessed with opportunity When my serious studies first began – I was working in Warsaw, Indiana. My staff were always pre-med students from the local Grace College. www.grace.edu/ Grace is also a Theological Seminary. My staff would check out books from their library for me. This opened a few doors.
Yes you are blessed. You have been a light. Your talent was used ...
Dave: "Archon - this is my entire point
No Bible text on the origin of "sar". But there is on the origin of "sin".
A relationship went wrong... "cherub chata".
I do not see anything about "sar chata". The NT speaks of "prince of earth" or "archon of earth"
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the archon of this world be cast out.
Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the archon of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the archon of this world is judged.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the archon of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:(KJV)
Is it so hard to find out who this archon of the world is?
Mt 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the archon of the devils.
Mt 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the archon of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
So here in the NT, the term archon = Beelzebub = demon = devils = Satan
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Now the problem is with Greek... aggelos = Satan, a Greek word also Hebrew word.
Question what word in Hebrew is aggelos? It has to be cherub or malak?
SO I find a text that says "cherub chata",
so this Being Satan is a relationship that went wrong.
With your logic show me from Greek and Hebrew where archon do ra naturally as a natural part of God's design? you can't... Scripture can't violate itself.
You love science and Einstein, but fail to listen to Einstein. He says Ra doesn't exist, its a term used to describe humans who do not follow GOD, having not much of His power in their lives.
Dave: "IMO – I hate Bible Studies of John 1:1-4 with new churchians. They will never find the Lord by understanding the mathematical implications of this passage.
1+ 1 + 1 = 1
Hebrew consider members of a family, as the family. A Father's nakedness is the same as the Wife's nakedness, and His body is Her body. That's Hebrew. Not the same as Greek thinking. Greek thinking spoils things in Hebrew.
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2019 18:53:47 GMT -5
I’ll just refer to the bulk of scripture
Gen 1 – God created everything – period! There is no second creator – only the Father
If you are an agl Christian trinity believer – then God = Christ in 3D form and:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
Col 1:16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; 17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
If you are a Gnostic agl believer – then God’s Spirit = Holy Spirit I am a Gnostic agl believer and I trust the words of the human brother of Jesus Christ
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:
he himself tempteth no man – He has a staff for that – a by-product of creation – and because of Jas 1:13 even this choshek is from the feminine HS – not Christ or the Father directly – but indirectly
Άγγελος – good guys – made to praise and serve - good heavenly beings – of at least 10 different types – and many with specific functions and duties – no need for a free will choice to serve they were made to serve ἄρχων – bad guys – made to test creation – testors / deceviers - of many types – with specific functions and duties – no need for a free will choice because they are deceived – they are error Man – is special – we are the creature that can choose – we are the only ones – this is why the ἄρχων are so jealous of man – we are dust of the earth and we can choose?
Christ is God incarnate 3D Jesus for 3D man in 3D reality – does this apply to the rest of heaven’s reality or just man? Did Jesus die on the cross to save the demons in hell?
Opps! – My copy of the perfect Texus Receptus (KJV) has two entries
שָׂרָף - seraph, seraphim - H8314 – Isa 6:2, Isa 6:6 majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon God
My Archon word means – bad guy – so in your world – in the entire ahl there was/is only one bad guy You mix terms when even it suits you – what about the demons that worked with Solomon – what about the evil spirits that plagued Saul – Isa 34:14 - all of these many entities were all just one prince “sar”
Thanks for Don Patterson – now I have another expert witness saying the agl was written as agl
So your progression as a student has been to move away from a single source SDA to a single source Jeff Brenner.
Should we start calling you a Brennanite? I prefer to follow the scripture as presented by the Jewish First Christians – John, James, Peter, and Paul
God created everything everywhere period My Creator created everything period! You keep suggesting there was another creation and another creator – that is Catholic BS
And at lease 8 other beings
Gen 1:2
Or the Hebrew is a word trap to prevent you from see a much larger reality – is this exactly what happened to the Pharisees? A reality that every Hebrew sage embraced in the Kabbalah for over 1500 years and still embrace today – but you don’t see it – so all Jews everywhere are wrong
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Post by Dave on Nov 27, 2019 3:20:58 GMT -5
Deu 18:22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Eze 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (behold, it cometh,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.
Jer 28:9 The prophet that prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that Jehovah hath truly sent him.
Miller was not of God – Ellen White cannot put a Band-Aid on that to make Adventism any better
I’ll stick to the Jewish First Christians that actually knew and walked with Jesus Christ - not the wives of men who fell for a false prophet
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Dave: "Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man: he himself tempteth no man – He has a staff for that – a by-product of creation – and because of Jas 1:13 even this choshek is from the feminine HS – not Christ or the Father directly – but indirectly You were doing great, presenting texts, than ran out of texts and thus proof. If the Father cannot be tempted of ra, there is your answer there. The Father doesn't do ra period. "he himself tempteth no man – He has a staff for that " That's ridiculous. Ro 14:23 for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (KJV) Ro 14:23 for whatsoever is not of support is missing relationship. (Ancient Hebrew)If God does anything to humans that does not support humans in a positive way to maintain relationship with GOD, than it is defined as missing relationship, which is a sin. Gabriel would not test a Human to sin. Yet you have a so called good angel dressed up as a serpent, this already I a sin of deception, speaking truth and lies, by definition this too is sinning, and finally saying you will be like GOD knowing tov and ra. so this good angel is correct according to you. That the Father knows both tov and ra? As the angel says? " for God cannot be tempted with Ra" so which statement is correct? They both can't be? And you do not show me "archons" being created. And you don't show me origin of angels... And you don't show me origin of demons... The Bible texts for these you didn't present... Dave: "Άγγελος – good guys – made to praise and serve - good heavenly beings – of at least 10 different types – and many with specific functions and duties – no need for a free will choice to serve they were made to serve ἄρχων – bad guys – made to test creation – testors / deceviers - of many types – with specific functions and duties – no need for a free will choice because they are deceived – they are errorBible texts for " Άγγελος – good guys –" ? We a problem with the Greek here? Does the LXX help you decide which Hebrew word was used? cherub or malak? for example? Bible texts for ἄρχων – bad guys –? Origin of these? Where is your text for the origin of these Beings? Dave:"Did Jesus die on the cross to save the demons in hell? That's ridiculous. Think of what you said. Angels all their time in heaven, next to GOD, speaking directly to GOD, and GOD speaking directly to them. One on One relationship. Wow talk about being in glory as a Being. Pun on the word being. Do Humans have this? no. We are born with tov and ra. We cannot talk directly to GOD and GOD cannot show us His face. We are never seen heaven, we hear at best a still small voice. We have never touched GOD physical hand in relationship. (But the angels do) Now enter one angel who decides to missing... Is this Biblical? You say its a metaphor? What exactly about the Hebrew words is a metaphor? "cherub chata" So let me see, King Tyre is a cherub? no, it has to be saying both are examples of relationships of extreme sinning. And extreme pride. But I have another Bible text, not known real well in churches around the world, but thanks to you and our studies, the Hebrew word star. It is in Amos. There is an opposing elohiym, called "star elohiym" , obviously a bright star decided to be an opposing elohiym. Now these angels who sinned were not deceived... they knew both sides... they have no excuse...GOD would not send His Son to die for them. They had lots of opportunity to repent and come back, some did, some didn't. An angel can NOT reproduce and make child angels. Hence there sinning does not change their DNA, assuming they have DNA, but by saying this they have no physical changes to their body. However with humans, we are different, when Adam sinned, our entire DNA began to change, become corrupted, hence we have an eternal curse physically within us, something fallen angels don't have, hence the reason why Jesus had to die, to replace our fallen DNA with unfallen DNA...I use these terms as illustration... hope this makes sense, my IMO... Dave: "Opps! – My copy of the perfect Texus Receptus (KJV) has two entriesשָׂרָף - seraph, seraphim - H8314 – Isa 6:2, Isa 6:6majestic beings with 6 wings, human hands or voices in attendance upon GodYou didn't feel like giving me an Internet Source for a electronic Bible with Interlinear, that has the so called perfect copy of Hebrew for both OT and NT. Why do you read the NT in Greek? Miles Jones and Michael Rood suggest on video that the Hebrew gospels is correct. Wow, finally some scholars are agreeing with Jeff Benner and me? seraph, seraphim - H8314 – Isa 6:2, Isa 6:6 Thanks for this... Isa 6:2 Above <ma`al> it stood <`amad> the seraphims <saraph>: This Hebrew word "saraph" does not mean "seraphims"... Jeff Benner has a problem with it too. This Hebrew word has two forms, the verb form and the noun noun, both forms have the same spelling. So according to your theory of language "He went to love her with his LOVE" You see two different words here? I don't "The PLOUGH went to plough all day" You see two different words here? I don't. This is a Bible verse too. "The SOWER went sowing his seed." You see two different words here? I don't. This is a Bible verse too. According to Jeff Benner, Hebrew does not have nouns or verbs. Hebrew has actions that are divided into incomplete actions and complete actions. They are the same words, only the actions in their time is different. The word "seraph" means in the letters "Prickled head speaks" and has two forms "verb form" meaning "burning" when the "prickled head speaks there is a burning" and the "noun form" meaning the "burnt-Being".. I choose the word "burnt" because it is related to burning, but the action is complete. Let's look up some contexts: Nu 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.Here the "burnt-beings" are similes of "firey serpents", the KJV does a good job of translating the intent of the Hebrew, in different contexts. Nu 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.Notice Moses is told to make a "burnt-being" upon a pole, a metaphor of a being? Actually there are two beings this symbol shows? So if we look to Jesus are saved, than Jesus is a "burnt-being" one who lived eternally in the burning of heaven near the Father. The other burnt-being has to be an angel who sinned, satan, the serpent. He too, lived once in the burning of heaven near the Father. Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims 'burnt-beings" unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:Actually I am beginning to see that "burnt-beings" is not a good functional descriptor of the word "burning", and in fairness to you, the Spirit is leading me to another functional descriptor in English that is better. verb form saraph = burning noun form seraph = "fireproof-being" One of the end of time statements is the wicked spend eternity in a hell of burning...that is incomplete...but this isn't right...it's the righteous who spend eternity in the burning and a fireproof-beings...just as Jesus is, a fireproof-Being. This term "saraph" is not a Being Hebrew word, but a function, an action... The only Hebrew word for a Being is "cherub"... it is only used in a noun form. Isa 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.Notice here the word "seraph" refers to a flying serpent...again not a Hebrew word for a Being, but a word of action or function of a being... a Being with burning... Dave:"You mix terms when even it suits you – what about the demons that worked with Solomon – what about the evil spirits that plagued Saul – Isa 34:14 Well show me Bible with demons working with Solomon. If you have to use other books, use them, but I won't to know the Hebrew word behind the literature you show me... Isa 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl "lilyith" also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.OK but only one text "lilyith"... One can't line up line upon line very well with a single concept...however "night" is related... and we have done this study already. Dave:""all of these many entities were all just one prince “sar” Don't know. "Sar" means "prince" not "one prince"... but one angel was first to sin, than other princes followed suit. Dave: "So your progression as a student has been to move away from a single source SDA to a single source Jeff Brenner.
Should we start calling you a Brennanite? I prefer to follow the scripture as presented by the Jewish First Christians – John, James, Peter, and PaulVery funny. Often I don't agree with Jeff. But his principles of Hebrew are sound. Do you really follow John, James, Peter, and Paul? so do I, but in the Hebrew gospels... Dave: "God created everything everywhere periodReally? Can GOD create relationship? No He can't. Can God create salvation? No He can't. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.Both ra as salvation are created, next to one another in this passage. Your viewpoint is wrong... So some things GOD cannot create. Dave: "My Creator created everything period! You keep suggesting there was another creation and another creator – that is Catholic BSHow about unpacking your statement? what do you mean? Why do you need another creation and another Creator? weird... Relationship does not need another Creation or another Creator, if relationship goes bad. Explain your view to me... Dave: "And at lease 8 other beingsReally? show me the Hebrew Dave:"Gen 1:2 Yes we have done this study of "choshek". This "choshek". is about relationships. Remember one I showed you in Acts 26 Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God,Dave:"Or the Hebrew is a word trap to prevent you from see a much larger reality – is this exactly what happened to the Pharisees?Many Jews today think in Greek. Ancient Hebrew is a dead language, though many Jews claim to read modern Hebrew, that is fine, but they think mostly in Greek. According to Jeff Benner. I have listened to your videos, and most Jews sound really nice...but they do not quote Hebrew scriptures much do they? Dave:"Miller was not of God – Ellen White cannot put a Band-Aid on that to make Adventism any better
I’ll stick to the Jewish First Christians that actually knew and walked with Jesus Christ - not the wives of men who fell for a false prophetYour making a judgement, without studying the matter. Perhaps I could show you some prophecies Ellen White made? If you easily want to attack Ellen White as a false prophet, attack my studies of words based on Jeff Benner and Ellen White... some words are outside of the SDA world... so rare in fact that no Internet religion uses them, but Hebrew and Ellen White does... Here is the link spiritualsprings.org/ss-1061.htmI show Jeff Benner's dictionary on the Hebrew, and go looking for Ellen White English... What is the probability of any inspired writer showing a perfect match all of the time? For a few words, a co-incidence? but not for lots of words... however to do this study you need an inspired writer with lots of words as messages... I can't find much on Martin Luther... I could use Book of Enoch, but it's not much writing either, an not all electronically available easily... Read through me study, and see yourself... Dave:" I’ll stick to the Jewish First Christians that actually knew and walked with Jesus Christ -YES that is MORE important to me too. How about we talk about how to get Jesus more and more into our lives? Isn't this more important than our little side track differences? I would love to discuss what Faith means to you? Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.Notice having a relationship with GOD through a godly man like Moses, shows us Aaron supporting Moses and Hur supporting Moses. And GOD supporting Moses, as the power of GOD flows out through Moses. There are three relationships here. But no man supporting man...Aaron and Hur were not holding hands. Man is to support GOD in relationship, is what I see from this Hebrew word amanuah. I don't like Jeff Benner meaning "firm", it's not a relationship term...so all I do is be firm with Jesus... what does firm mean? Support is a different word, its a relational word...I can support Jesus firmly or less firmly, and as mature of babes were are saved... wow... What do you see Dave with this first picture of faith here? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 27, 2019 18:52:45 GMT -5
Job 2:1 Again it came to pass on the day when the bane elohiym came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah. The bane elohym (the offspring of the Chief Archon) presented themselves to God – under God’s command – satan was with themJob 2:3 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job? for there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and turneth away from evil: and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. Job 2:4 And Satan answered Jehovah, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. God is the hit man here – satan is the servantJob 2:5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face. Put forth whose hand? = God’sJob 2:6 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. God’s hand = satan hand I know you do not like the idea of the Creator being in absolute control and you don’t like the idea of satan being under God’s control – but here it is = satan is God’s servant being God’s hand Sure does not fit with your Ezk 28 and Isa 14 metaphors WHAT – you know about alcohol – are you a drunk? First you say God is not omniscient – (blasphemy) - then you say God cannot be tempted – Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Either you are not speaking of the God of the ahl or you are saying that Jesus was not God incarnate on earth? – courious 1- Who is sending these testing serpents – God is2- Who are these firey-serpents – Seraphim angels – being used by God in the role of 'the accusor' satan Exactly the same as the word satan – it is a function not a particular being I have told you several times. Testament of Solomon and Key of Solomon This one of many documented cases of archon in the ahl - one of many – yet you fail to acknowledge there were ‘bad guys’ in the ahl except your favorite - satan The Reality of the Archon existed since their creation – Gen 1:2 creatures of the ‘night’ Your favorite scripture – DISAGREE God Can’t? (Blasphemy – my God is omnipotent) How do you explain Paul? God cannot reach down and grab anybody He chooses for any purpose He chooses – BS! What about Jesus Christ? God cannot create salvation – BS! What is the Gospel all about – what is the Promise to Noah? To Abraham? To Israel? Joseph Smith spoke directly to God and Jesus. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ and has 17 documented miracles within the first 20 years of the LDS. Within 30 years of the churches foundation 35,000 Mormons came to America to be with the new prophet. The entire state of Utah almost became the Country of Zion, with Brigham Young as it first theocratic ruler. Edgar Casey is the most accurate clairvoyant in American History Funny that – An entire thread was started here for you to tell us how to pray in the spirit. I opened my heart to you – you changed that thread back into your obsession with your satan god to whom you give entirely too much credit and elevate to a position not deserved – while at the same time diminish God as Creator and as make Him less than Omnipotent or Omniscient אמנה [אמוּנה - H530 - 'ĕmûnâh Feminine of H529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity: - faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily Hebrew Words For Faithinternetbiblecollege.net/Lessons/Hebrew%20Words%20For%20Faith.htm” It is obvious from the previous Hebrew definitions that “aman” or faith means: 1- to be certain about God and His character, unlimited power, wisdom and promises. 2- to totally trust God. 3- to be faithful or loyal to God just as a loving husband is to his wife. Such a husband ignores the adulterous suggestions of other unfaithful women. 4- and to continue to rely on God no matter what the problem or circumstance.
As a Gnostic – I like the language of Rabbi Friedman – Faith = we remember that relationship we had with the Lord in the Womb – why do we remember? Because we are in relationship with God now. It is real – not a belief As a Gnostic – I would say – Faith = gnosis (I do not believe that God is real – I know it – it is FACT) Beliefs can change – FACTS do not The usual comeback is - even the demons knew - but it did not save them True - they cannot choose - Man is the only creature that can choose - that is why man is special. gnosis is power - Gen 3:5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. Now that we gnosis - we have the gift of choice - our choice don't matter if we do not understand (gnosis) the choice - but once we realize (gnosis) that we are trapped within the Great Contest - we gnosis the difference between the choices I should make and the choices I want to make - we must gnosis the choice between mitzvah and chata (sin) - the movement toward TOV or RA
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 3:53:38 GMT -5
Dave: "As a Gnostic – I like the language of Rabbi Friedman – Faith = we remember that relationship we had with the Lord in the Womb – why do we remember? Because we are in relationship with God now. It is real – not a belief
SO if faith is a word about relationship with GOD, why did you abuse this word in your earlier comments?
Dave: "God created everything everywhere period Rob: "Really? Can GOD create relationship? No He can't. Dave: "God Can’t? (Blasphemy – my God is omnipotent) How do you explain Paul? Dave: "God cannot reach down and grab anybody He chooses for any purpose He chooses?
If GOD came down and forced His Hand upon your hand, for any purpose, that is not relationship based on love, or free will love, that is abuse, fear and force, what a tyrant GOD would do, not what a loving GOD would do.
Sure GOD created salvation in His Son Jesus, a divine object connected to humanity, the GOD-MAN, and as SINNERS we have to choose to hold his hand, thus salvation is based on relationship, and thus despite GOD doing His side of relationship, the relationship cannot be created, because GOD doesn't own relationship, neither does the human own relationship. Relationship is the "loving response" if I choose to respond to GOD's love.
If I choose NOT to respond, there is absolutely nothing further that GOD can do.
So if the wicked chooses to be wicked... the relationship is over. Thus GOD cannot create relationship. This is similar to a "love response". Can GOD create a "love response" NO.
You say GOD is omnipresent, what does this actually mean? It does say in Scripture, before you were formed in the womb, I knew you...
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
The Hebrew words seem OK, the sentence reads OK, BUT the intent is profound. Does this mean GOD also knows relationships before they come to exist, and the outcome of relationship before they come to exist? It seems so. I would like your comments on this.
Sorry maybe I got emotional to your earlier discussions, and made a goof.
Does this mean, there is no such thing as choice, or free will with GOD? Such questions are not easily answered...
If GOD knows everything, that might be true, but as a puny human we don't. So it is our relationship response to GOD, that matters. Do we respond or not. That is the question for relationship. So GOD knows whether we respond or not respond, the question is we don't know ourselves, like GOD does.
Dave: "Now that we gnosis - we have the gift of choice - our choice don't matter if we do not understand (gnosis) the choice - but once we realize (gnosis) that we are trapped within the Great Contest - we gnosis the difference between the choices I should make and the choices I want to make - we must gnosis the choice between mitzvah and chata (sin) - the movement toward TOV or RA
"gnosis" - an interesting term, you use for "faith". I like what you said...but does it fit all the contexts of Scripture. I like the term "support".
we are trapped in a contest... yes we must gnosis our choices of power, the power for tov or the power for ra.
So help me out in your picture of gnosis:
I have been following the Lord GOD ever since I was 17 years old, I got baptised when I was 21 years old. It's been a long and interesting journey of training, getting to know the Lord more and more.
Question: I hear and listen to the voice of GOD every day via the conscience of the Holy Spirit. Often I ask, how do I know it's Your voice? The answer: you don't. By your fruits you will know the spirit.
I get the archon comes are speaks often through our conscience also, to test us. But if I am already desiring to follow GOD and do His will and follow His torah and support the prayer promises of power in my life, why do I need archons to force or suggest that I sin?
For example sometimes these archons say, "steal that - nobody will know", "its not wrong to eat a man-made chocolate cake", "look at that woman lustfully", etc
Another spirit, said to me today "you're a know it all, and your talking too high over their heads to your friends", "temptations do come", "become more humble, look out for your friends".
The Holy Spirit speaks to me about my missing and how I can do better in my walk and claiming more power from Jesus. The other spirits, you speak of them as on the same side of GOD... makes no sense...if I am always wanting to do more and more tov...why have archons tempting me to become wicked?
The spiritual journey is about learning to become more and more tov, this means I move beyond the letter of the law, into the spirit of the law. Meaning, I am more concerned about praying in the spirit, meaning, getting a stronger public flow of Jesus through me, that others take notice of.
SO today the Holy Spirit pointed out some missing I did: "you're a know it all, and your talking too high over their heads to your friends", "temptations do come", "become more humble, look out for your friends".
If I want this stronger flow of Jesus, I have to learn fasting and fervent prayer. Actually the Lord has told me to resolve the tithe problem, and build a home church.
Tithe is about helping others in the gospel, and a home church is about a place where such meet together in one accord.
So your idea that archons are on the same side of the Holy Spirit makes no sense to me, hence why I battled it so long with you...
If you have a look at the ten commandments, they are negatives:
Take the 1st one. I AM your Saviour. No other elohiym powers. Take the 2nd one. I AM your covering. No man-made clothing's. Take the 3rd one. I AM your power. No empty storm prayers. Take the 4th one. Remember Ceasing-day is about us. Take the 5th one. Respect your earthly & heavenly Parents. Take the 6th one. No wounding. Respect my powers in life. Take the 7th one. No heat passion adultery. Respect relationships. Take the 8th one. No steal. Respect what I give you. Take the 9th one. No false witness. Be my witness. Take the 10th one. No desire. Trust only in Me.
What happened when Adam and Eve sinned?
She desired. She bare false witness to Adam. She steal. She not happy with what she already had. Her sin wounds the Holy Spirit life in her. This causes no more respect to her heavenly Parents. She breaks ceasing day, because ra floods in forever causing nothing to ever cease. Her power fails. She becomes an empty storm. All present as Eve, but without power. Her husband also desires Eve more than GOD. He becomes a false witness. He too steals. Not happy to have Eve die and He be alone. He is passionate and makes a hasty decision to break relationship with GOD. He lacks power and listens to his wife. They both make a covering from technology. The humans have resolved their salvation problem. They have become their own elohiym power, so they can save themselves. Yet when GOD comes crying and sobbing, they are afraid hiding in a bush, all naked.
I don't get your good guys doing a bad job, testing Adam and Eve, do break all these commandments, for what purpose?
When I became a Christian, what purpose does it serve, for Archons to test me by doing lust, stealing and raping women in my mind, to cheat, lie and deceive others in my mind?
The other aspect of your faith journey, is it's only about mankind. Angels do not have free will, they don't have relationships like we do. That makes us all alone and special. Why is it this way? Why were we created with tov and ra? Your writings do not answer this question? It impacts my faith?
If faith is about relationships, why doesn't the angels in heaven have relationships to GOD like humans do? Again you don't answer this question. This impacts my faith walk in GOD. It makes man walk alone... so no other Being experienced tov and ra, only man? Why?
Before I can relate to GOD on a faith level, I need answers to these two questions...
1) How does Archons tempting me to do ra, help me understand tov, if all I want to do is tov anyhow? I speak as a 40 year follower of tov, not babe beginning in ra and tov.
2) Why is our relationship with GOD based on ra and tov anyhow? Why aren't there other relationships in heaven like human relationships to GOD? Why are we different?
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Post by Dave on Nov 28, 2019 13:02:32 GMT -5
Act 9:1 But Saul, yet breathing threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, Saul persecutes ChristiansAct 9:2 Saul asks for the privilege to hunt Christians in Damascus Act 9:3-5 Jesus appears to Saul and introduces himselfSaul gnosis – without a doubt – Saul’s gnosis changed him. Once he gnosis the choice was obvious. Did God abuse Saul?God reached down and hardened Pharaoh’s heart – that action cost hoe many innocent Egyptian lives? Did God abuse Pharaoh? Doesn’t God love the Egyptians also? Tell why an average Egyptian that knew nothing of Pharaoh and Moses was not abused by God? Omni = everywhere – present means – here, in attendance, available Omnipresent – God is everywhere Omni = everything – science means gnosis Omniscient – God knows everything Omin = all, everything, potent = power Omnipotent = God is all powerful This is a discussion of ‘predestination’ If predestination is true – then someone like Judas was meant to do what he did from birth and some are never meant to find the Lord - I don’t like this idea What I favor is that God is omniscient and already knew Judas’s heart and played him / used him Future prophesy by God through His prophets – is it a prediction or an observation?You are a farmer with a pasture – you add cows – without any limits to their population growth they will over graze their pasture – their lush green pasture for 2 cows will become an ankle deep shit – filled with pollution and running out of fresh grass. Make these cows aggressive and in the end they will fight and kill over the last remaining blade of green grass. Is this a prediction – or is it just obvious to the farmer who is more intelligent than the cowsThis is how I see predestination and prophesy A long time ago God stacked up a a pile of bricks – a very tall stack of bricks Then he reached down and yanked out the bottom brick (say when Eve ate the fruit) The stack of bricks is falling over – it will fall down and crash – into the lake of fire Free will – you and I are trapped on one of those bricks – mine called America yours Australia While I’m alive I can choose to be a lab guy, I can choose to be a plumber, I can even move over to your brick – this is an illusion of free will – because none of these choices have to do with salvation. No matter what we choose the stack of bricks will continue to fall – Earth will one day be uninhabitable - pollution will outweigh resource – we will fight over the last remaining energy, clean water, and food – it is biology 101 Along the way – there will be atrocities, Hilters, wars, pestilence, famine, and death Is this a future prediction – a prophesy of things God will make happen – or is it just obvious to a higher intelligence. Predestination – Did God make Judas do what he did – I rather think God knew from the beginning that 12 men together was too much to hope for – He knew that one would fail – it just happened to be Judas. Christians see Judas as a bad guy (doing RA) – I DO NOTJudas (just like Pharaoh) was used by God to implement God’s plan on earth Both were servants of the Lord (God made Pharaoh do what he did) – to facilitate God’s will Both Pharaoh and Judas served the TOV by God using them as instrument of RA In both cases God uses the RA to implement the stage of salvation Neither satan or any archon hardened Pharaoh’s heart – God did Did satan make Judas insure that Jesus would be resurrected in front of the whole world? Was that satan’s plan for man – to make Jesus die upon the cross and be resurrected?NO – it is God’s plan for man – God’s promise But the Cross and resurrection does not happen if Pharaoh and Judas do not play their special servant roles – facilitating God will on earth. If you are Catholic you have been taught that Judas hung himself in a tree – more Catholic BS! Me too my friend. – If we don’t get emotional then just how deeply are our convictions? I have been angry with the Lord a lot in my life – we have had a few heated discussions – even violate outburst – but a few things got hammered out in me – This is a good one – IMO (Gnostic) we are not all called the same. Rich says it takes a Catholic, a Jew, and a Muslim to make the world go round. I see good meaning people try their best to fit themselves into the religious posture – just to find out they don’t fit. The end result in Christendom is holier than thou pretenders – used car salesmen – or people who toss away the baby with the bath water (toss away Jesus because church is flawed) Pharaoh and Judas were both instruments of the Lord – to facilitate God’s Will – their fruits suck! IMO – are my fruits even visible to me today – or do they actually become apparent in my past – as in the mark I left behind – the witness I left behind Here is the perfect example. Dave loves the Lord and chooses to call himself a ministry Instantly $30,000USD worth of mammon came to my door –it is so attractive In America – churches are exempt from taxes I could be a lab employee and donate all my money to the church (personal tax deduction) I am the pastor of my church and pay myself – not cash – but expenses Company car, phone, up to 1/3rd of my home is office space – if I hold meetings in my home 1/2 is office space Next thing you know – You could donate to me $10,000 In turn the church buys you a plane ticket and pays for your hotel for two weeks in America – just so you can come speak at my church – I can even pay you for your time You donate $10,000 and receive $8,000 worth of plane tickets, hotels, and meals + $2000 for speaking All tax free Next thing you know – I’ll be having jet planes and mega churches named after me – I’ll be known world-wide as a Christian with millions of dollars and followers It is a mammon trap! What started as Love of the Lord morphs into power, fame, and money! I liked Michael Rood much better before he became an internet ministry (donate here) See the trap – I don’t care what others see – I only care what He sees – alone in the dark The Rabbi say – in the videos presented here – Thank God for satan because without him man would not be able to express VIRTUE – whereas virtue is always mitzvah The Nag Hammadi Library - The Hypostasis of the ArchonsMoreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.Several answers Faith-journey / souljourn is only about man – correct – we are the creatures that can choose BECAUSE we are the only ((Mind-Body) +Soul) creature – we are the only mortal 3D beings that can choose. I have dogs and love them – they do not understand TOV and RA they only have animal instinct They are (Mind-Body) – seeking God is not an option for them (this is why they say all dogs go to heaven – not saying that they do – it is just a saying) Angels are spirit existing in a spirit realm (heavens) fully aware of the Lord – they do not lust, thirst, or have wives (actually asexual) Archons are spirit existing in a spirit realm choshek fully deceived – they do not lust, thirst, or have husbands (actually asexual) Man is (Mind-Body) made from the 3D dust as 3D animal – (Mind-Body) = animal Man is (animal + Soul) – animal lusts, thirsts, and has spouses and children and jobs = yester ra Jews say yester ra expresses itself though the animal as carnal desire Competition against other men = yester ra – as we climb our ladders of success in corporate world Food, warmth, possessions, sex, money, wealth, recognition, fame, glory = all carnal desire = all yester ra Soul = the definition of yester tov – compassion, virtue, the desire to seek God YES WE ARE!We are created with tov because we are the breath of life that makes us a living being (Soul) We are created with ra because we are 3D animal (Mind-Body) We are the only creatures that have the gift of choice – and each of us chooses alone WHY – this is another good one – ESOTERIC SPECULATION HERE – don’t attack me – this is not scripture (or is it) Each verse and story of the ahl and agl have multiple levels of interpretation / multiple levels of meaning and application – perhaps there are many more levels than we can imagine as 3D beings limited to only 3/10th of the All Look at scripture backwards In eternity - All that remains is God, the Saved, and TOV the ra cleansed from the heavens – leaving only tov One day the sun will expand and engulf the 3D earth (lake of fire) – second death as we know it What happens just before this – all ra is cast into the lake before this – the Chief Archon and is archon are cast from the heavens to 3D earth before this the Bride of Christ is in heaven Before this – tribulation – the contest gets very hard indeed Jesus and the Messianic age Abraham and the Jewish age Gen 3:15 the Contest begins for man Perhaps – earth is the garbage can of the heavens – where ra gets dumped / banished to Gnostics see 3D reality as corruption – nothing 3D is making its way into spirit realm – either direction now add – the Jewish concept of our souljournWe are eternal spirits/Souls that existed in heaven somewhere called the well of Souls – in full awareness of the Lord – just as angels do(we are not or ever will be angels) but we were in full awareness of the Lord – we gnosis In the womb – God taught us directly – we gnosis But Soul is born into a (Mind-Body) animal and becomes a passenger as (Mind-Body) animal lives and grows – by toddler hood (terrible twos) we are 100% MIND – me me me – ego-centric – God must pull away from our carnal selves and we forget what we gnosis – we wane in remembrance – we forget In Jewish speak – our Soul’s mission - is to remember and be God’s love on earth In Gnostic speak each of us are charged to be a ‘Christ’ to our fellow souljourners (Souls) How do we do this 1- We remember what we already gnosis – we wake up from the Mind and intellect and renew our connection to the father – re-establish that direct link we once had in the womb – we return to that state of being in full awareness 2- How are we God’s love on earth – we love the Soul trapped within every man – not the man. We might even dislike the man very much indeed – only to feel sorry for that Soul trapped within them. We love that other Soul by helping it remember the Lord! – To bring light to the world – one Soul at a time Now the Feel Good Catholic / Gnostic divideLove – has nothing to do with being nice – sometimes the best love is a BOLD REBUKE! An evangelist tries to save everyone – a Gnostic says Rom 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: Rom 11:7 What then? that which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened: 8 according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day. Is this God doing TOV? sure seems like ra to me – some are prevented from gnosis To me – Christs says Mat 10:6 … go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who – those who are seeking – those who are knocking Do I go? – via internet? I am available No one has to ask why I wear a Kippah in public – it is a walking billboard saying – ask me about my lord I stick my business card up everywhere - I am available Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, as ye go forth out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet. If I preach outright no one is receptive – it is not my calling / my gift When someone comes to me – I’m available and I am on fire for the lord 24/7 If they go away – I don’t have to run them down or change their minds Even if they leave mad and upset and hate me forever – my witness is unchanged Their Souls heard me – deep inside – and 20 /50 years later maybe it is the ember that lights a fire later – do I know? NO – do I have to know? NO – He knows – my witness is a mitzvah 24/7 Just think back on the people that touched your life – even if they didn’t mean to – each left a witness impression upon you – good or bad – TOV or RA Why testing – again very esoteric – don’t pick at my vocabularyA one dimensional Christian sees the Torah and the Contest all about man A multi-dimensional Gnostic has a much larger reality 3D is only 3/10th of the All Souls are plucked from heaven and exposed to the 3D corruption garbage pit of the heavens to cleans the yester ra from our Souls – in the process we grow spiritually – our souls grow stronger by being purified by the fire of the Contest 15 verse on being purified The Nag Hammadi Library - Authoritative TeachingAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worldThe Nag Hammadi Library - The (First) Apocalypse of James"Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full.... Then Peter replied, "Lo, three times you have told us, 'Become full'; but we are full." The Savior answered and said, "For this cause I have said to you, 'Become full,' that you may not be in want. They who are in want, however, will not be saved. For it is good to be full, and bad to be in want. Hence, just as it is good that you be in want and, conversely, bad that you be full, so he who is full is in want, and he who is in want does not become full as he who is in want becomes full, and he who has been filled, in turn attains due perfection. Therefore, you must be in want while it is possible to fill you, and be full while it is possible for you to be in want, so that you may be able to fill yourselves the more. Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul."
But I answered and said to him, "Lord, we can obey you if you wish, for we have forsaken our fathers and our mothers and our villages, and followed you. Grant us, therefore, not to be tempted by the devil, the evil one." The Lord answered and said, "What is your merit if you do the will of the Father and it is not given to you from him as a gift while you are tempted by Satan? But if you are oppressed by Satan, and persecuted, and you do his (i.e., the Father's) will, I say that he will love you, and make you equal with me, and reckon you to have become beloved through his providence by your own choice.Choice - The Nag Hammadi Library - The Gospel of PhilipThe superiority of man is not obvious to the eye, but lies in what is hidden from view. Consequently, he has mastery over the animals which are stronger than he is and great in terms of the obvious and the hidden.The Nag Hammadi Library - The Exegesis on the SoulAnd repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation.The purpose it to incubate? To provide a holographic vehicle for our Soul’s 3D video game we call corporeal reality – visible reality – to strengthen, grow, mature our Souls The Nag Hammadi Library - The Treatise on the ResurrectionWhat, then, is the resurrection? It is always the disclosure of those who have risen. For if you remember reading in the Gospel that Elijah appeared and Moses with him, do not think the resurrection is an illusion. It is no illusion, but it is truth! Indeed, it is more fitting to say the world is an illusion, rather than the resurrection which has come into being through our Lord the Savior, Jesus Christ.
But what am I telling you now? Those who are living shall die. How do they live in an illusion? The rich have become poor, and the kings have been overthrown. Everything is prone to change. The world is an illusion! - lest, indeed, I rail at things to excess!
But the resurrection does not have this aforesaid character, for it is the truth which stands firm. It is the revelation of what is, and the transformation of things, and a transition into newness. For imperishability descends upon the perishable; the light flows down upon the darkness, swallowing it up; and the Pleroma fills up the deficiency. These are the symbols and the images of the resurrection.Our reality is just the 3D holographic projection of the 10D – the visible built upon the invisible The Resurection of Christ is the proof - to man - we will continue into the spirit realm - factSome have gotten it right – Enoch, Elijah Some have come very close – all the rest of the ahl / agl that died mortal deaths In Gnostic cosmology – some have do-overs (reincarnation)I am not embracing Hinduism and everyone has many past lives – NO I am just open to the option – I have two amazing stories that cause me pause Soul Survivor – I have the book – it will make you think youtu.be/rNvJW6YJ3V8 Re-incarnated Cathars – it a really interesting story for a Gnostic youtu.be/PDT00aT24_cThe Gnostic answer – in all of the ALL – we are the only beings that are only aware of 3/10th of it – we are only visually aware of 3/10th of it – we are impaired / stunted / animal man is no longer visually fully aware – the withholding of our awareness is our fall – our first de-evolution – we were made immortal and could see the heavens. After Eve, we are mortal of about 1000 yrs and cannot see the heavens – this is the fall of man – gnosis in exchange for awareness The First Book of Adam and Eve - CHAP. VIII. - The "Bright Nature" of man is taken away.
THEN Adam wept and said, "O God, when we dwelt in the garden, and our hearts were lifted up, we saw the angels that sang praises in heaven, but now we do not see as we were used to do; nay, when we entered the cave, all creation became hidden from us." 2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
3 When Adam and Eve had heard these words from God, they went their way; praising and worshipping Him with a sorrowful heart. 4 And God ceased to commune with them.The Torah may have been written for the ALL (all 10Ds of God’s reality) but the Tanak and agl are 3D specific written for 3D man in 3D world – why is 3D world so different = LOCALITY which makes us alone. Only in 3D reality are you and I 12,000 mile apart – what is it like in the 6th Dimension? only Enoch and Paul give us some idea One last Gnostic comment about Enoch, Paul, and even John They wrote what they saw – their perceptions only Enoch and Paul visited the heavens – they wrote what they saw Let’s say I come to Perth – and describe my visit – will it mention Queensland at all? – NO Does Enoch and Paul make an iron clad road map to what heaven is like – NO – just their experience John wrote what he saw in the end of days – he was transported through time to the end During is revelation he saw both heaven and earth Would have Peter described it with the same words? History = his – storyIn America there is a great example – George Washington Every American text book describes him as a savior and the father of our country – a hero Every English text book describes him as a rebel that led a revolt against the King – the English would have loved to hang him dead Enoch is a story – so is Paul – not the same weight as John, James, or Christ Himself Question - when did Paul 2Co 12:1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient; but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Answer = Acts 9:1-5 - Paul gnosis after that - wouldn't you? - I sure would!
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