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Post by Dave on Jan 21, 2024 19:16:31 GMT -5
The torah only speaks of three heavens, not ten as you claim.ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=3dtrinitywww.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ten-sefirot-of-the-kabbalahKabbalah: The Ten Sefirot of the KabbalahThe 10 different attributes / characteristics / natures of God ------------------------------------------------- D"It is clear this passage is all about man –Eze 28:2 Son of man , say unto the prince <nagiyd> of Tyrus Eze 28:12 Son of man , take up a lamentation upon the king <melek> of Tyrus Explain why these two labels denote two different creatures? This is what matters to me - and the only thing that mattersThis passage was all about man - to Jesus – to His Disciples – and His immediate followers This passages was all about man – until the 4th Century AD – when Rome invented Catholic satan Catholic satan was not a Jewish teaching – at the time of Jesus Christ Catholic satan was not the teaching of Jesus Christ – or His disciples Catholic satan was not the teaching of the disciples of Jesus Christ proven by their writings Catholic satan was not the teaching of the followers of Jesus Christ proven by their writings This is what matter to me - and the only thing that matters Catholic satan was not the teaching of Jesus Christ – or His disciplesCatholic satan is an invented doctrine of the Catholic Church to fill the seats UFOs are Biblical 1:53:00 – the devil is the Catholic’s best friend because he keeps the church in business
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Post by rob on Jan 21, 2024 22:35:33 GMT -5
Greetings
DaVE" This is what matters to me - and the only thing that matters This passage was all about man - to Jesus – to His Disciples – and His immediate followers
Rob" This matters to me also.....you didn't answer my question.
Ho 9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer (hareg)
Used in Greek not many times,
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer "Greek anthropoktonos" from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
Used how many times?
Twice. Hence is not the Hebrew word ratsach, meaning to wound.
This word hareg means to kill, a manslayer
Jesus is referring to the verse in Yashua 9 about the children Israel gave as sacrifice to the "hareg", a murderer from the beginning.
And you say Jesus never referred to Tyros?
Is this Father a SHAD/ devil/demon?
Ho 9:14 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
WHy does Jesus respond to Israel with giving SHAD dried up and miscarriages? To stop Israel from sacrificing children to the SHAD. to the Hareg.
I asked you a question:
Eze 28:2 prince <nagiyd> is about man, a human King of Tyre
Eze 28:12 reigner <melek> is about a cherub, a cherub reigner over Tyre
The word melek has both verb and noun forms, means to "reign or reigner"
Why do these two hebrew words refer to two different creatures, never are they mixed up, both were in Eden, one was adam the human, the other the angel cherub, also known as the serpent angel.
Why does Jesus refer to the devil as a hareg in John 8? Clearly does not use the word for ratsach?
Mt 19:18 He saith <lego> unto him <autos>, Which <poios>? <de> Jesus <Iesous> said <epo>, Thou shalt do <phoneuo> no <ou> murder.
In John Jesus does not term the devil a phoneuo, but a hareg.
You have never considered Hosea 9, concerning Tyros have you?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 22, 2024 1:51:00 GMT -5
DaVE" This is what matters to me - and the only thing that matters This passage was all about man - to Jesus – to His Disciples – and His immediate followers Rob" This matters to me also.....you didn't answer my question. Yes – I did – the only thing that matters to me is the teaching of Jesus Christ and His followersI do not care or endorse the teaching of Joseph Smith 1860 I do not care or endorse the teaching of Charles Russell 1860 I do not care or endorse the teaching of Ellen White 1860 I do not care or endorse the teaching of the Catholic church 365AD The only thing that matters to me is the teaching of Jesus Christ, His Disciples, and His followersI asked you a question: Eze 28:2 prince <nagiyd> is about man, a human King of Tyre Eze 28:12 reigner <melek> is about a cherub, a cherub reigner over Tyre Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, Nope – just about the King of TyreI have asked you many times to give me another example where the metaphor – the simile becomes more important than the subjectBill is crazy like a fox - prove that the fox is more real than Bill Jack is as brave as a lion – prove the lion is more real than Jack The King of Tyre is like a covering cherub – and you claim the entire passage is about the cherub You violate grammar – in English – Greek – or HebrewFour years – you have had plenty of opportunity to prove your Ellen White tradition You cannot - yet you keep preaching it – satan boyEither your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. ORR" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?You really need to make up your mind You deny it - yet you keep preaching it – satan boy
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Post by rob on Jan 22, 2024 4:01:15 GMT -5
Greetings Your said " Yes – I did – the only thing that matters to me is the teaching of Jesus Christ and His followersAnd I agree with you Amazing how you missed what Yashua said in his own scroll in the OT? I showed you this and you ignore what Jesus-Yashuh said? Why is that Dave?Ho 9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Why does Jesus speak of Israel comparing the city of Tyrus as a place where children are brought to the Hareg? Is this not Jesus asking us to read what Tyrus is about and whom is the Hareg?I showed you that Jesus in the NT spoken of the same verse in the NT in John 8/ Only the devil / shad / reigner of Tyrus / cherub that sinned, is the same Hareg creature. Because of the Greek word "murder" is not the common word for murder, but the term for "hareg". Hang your doubts, go ahead and say that John wrote his epistle in Greek, rather than Hebrew. If you want a whole scroll of Jesus speakings and doing the book misspelled as Hosea is here, should be spelled as Yashuh. And in His book, he speaks of Tyrus. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 22, 2024 10:56:11 GMT -5
Your said "Yes – I did – the only thing that matters to me is the teaching of Jesus Christ and His followers And I agree with you Then why do you continue to force Catholic theology into the OT Then why do you continue to rewrite the OT to fit Catholic theology----------------------------------------------------------- Ho 9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Hosea 9:13 – Adam ClarkEphraim, as I saw Tyrus - Tyre was strongly situated on a rock in the sea; Samaria was on a mountain, both strong and pleasant. But the strength and beauty of those cities shall not save them from destruction. Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer - The people shall be destroyed, or led into captivity by the Assyrians. Of the grandeur, wealth, power, etc., of Tyre, see the notes on Ezekiel 27 Hosea 9:13 – John WesleyTo the murderer - He will send them forth in mighty armies; but it will be sending them out to the slaughter.
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Post by rob on Jan 22, 2024 16:46:04 GMT -5
I thought you said you followed Jesus and Jesus words.
Now you present Adam Clark and John Wesley ?
If Jesus spoke of Ephraim and Tyros as two cities planted in a pleasant place. Jesus is inviting you to read why Tyros is a place where Israel sent their children as a sacrifice to the Hareg.
And to stop this, Jesus makes the women's breasts DRY. Calling this doing of religion SHAD, the same name for the SHAD who made Israel fall from God.
But you are not wanting to read Jesus words, because you think they are the Roman Catholic words. Is there not some saved Roman Catholics in their religion, thus some found the truth? Even the Chaldeans first king got to be saved after 7 years of madness, thanks to Daniel, a caretaker.
Jews say truth is mixed with error. But you are fearful of being associated with them, so you seek a brand new religion, unknown to your fathers.
It funny in the book of Jesus and Jesus statements about how to be saved by Jesus, my favorite place in the torah, you also refuse to read and understand.
You claim you follow Jesus. You do not read His entire book about how Jesus saved us, have you?
If Jesus is our Saviour, what did Jesus actually save humans from?
You can't answer that question, because you don't have enemy who opposes Jesus, do you?
Ho 14:1 ¶ O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.(guilt)
Does Jesus rescue us from guilt, from our feelings caused by our wrong doing?
Ho 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously:
Here is the place where we are saved from Jesus when we take His words we receive His grace of power from those words, called in the NT faith. The unseen power we hope for comes real into us as a flow.
But notice the poetry in the next bit
so will we render the calves of our lips.
I thank Jews sometimes for their insights, they are not all bad in their ways and at times offer amazing insight into the torah.
The calf is a symbol of the god of RA, the Egyptian god, the first god that assumed the first letter of Hebrew. The words we speak come as faith flows of power from God, or from some other God, if we choose to break faith and not speak God's words.
In verse 3 it says "Ye are our gods:" so the SHAD promote the idea that humans can save themselves.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2024 15:57:01 GMT -5
I really have no idea what your point is The Book of Hosea is all about Israel falling away from God and being redeemedHere is 9 hours of verse by verse commentary by Chuck Millser Never does he give satan credit for anything – satan is not even mentioned Chuck Missler - Hosea Session 01 - youtu.be/sT8kPywdf4s?si=CgPFZSlCLzF6zshX2:19 – very specific instruction for Israel today / Christians today/ America today Chuck Missler - Hosea Session 02 - youtu.be/Nxi6asHzK1k?si=bhGpn1cuQicSywfm55:50 – those who practice replacement theology – ‘Covenant Theology’ have a real issue tryng to balance the OT with he NT Agreed – if you do not understand the OT – the NT seems disconnectedChuck Missler - Hosea Session 05 - youtu.be/y_GjWTkCPVk?si=HcW9iWkAicTT2P9O34:39 Hosea 9 – the penalty for ingratitudeIsrael has forsaken God – so God will forsake them vrs 1-2 – death of joy vrs 3-6 - exile from their land vrs 7-9 - loss of spiritual discernment vrs 10-16 – a declining birth rate vrs 17 – they will be cast out 36:12 – God reminds Israel of the wickedness of their fore fathers – who steps they trod History repeats itself - Israel is making the same mistakes as the King of Tyre God threatens them (Israel) with destruction – just as the Kingdom of Tyre was destroyed Adam Clark - Hosea 9:13Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus - Tyre was strongly situated on a rock in the sea; Samaria was on a mountain, both strong and pleasant. But the strength and beauty of those cities shall not save them from destruction. Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer - The people shall be destroyed, or led into captivity by the Assyrians. Of the grandeur, wealth, power, etc., of Tyre, see the notes on Ezekiel 27 46:00 – the story of the concubine Gibeah The result of being a whore = death I really have no idea what your point is The Book of Hosea is all about Israel falling away from God and being redeemed Here is 9 hours of verse by verse commentary by Chuck Millser Never does he give satan credit for anything – satan is not even mentioned The Great Controversy and God's Love for HumanityAdventist.org - www.adventist.org › the-great-controversy The Great Controversy is a spiritual battle, a conflict over God's character and His right to rule the universe. Either you support Ellen White and her teaching – or you deny her teachingEither your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. ORR" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?You really need to make up your mind[/qote] For you to continue arguing both – is just proof of your insincerity – satan boy Be a man – take a stand – what to do believe - because no one here can tell Do you support Ellen White and her teaching – or Not?It only takes one error to bring down all the tenants of the theory,
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Post by rob on Jan 23, 2024 16:42:53 GMT -5
Maybe Chuck didn't know this light?
Have you ever done a Bible study on your own using the HS as a tutor and read the verses with an open mind? Or are you always captive to what your traditional filters of others teach you?
D"I really have no idea what your point is The Book of Hosea is all about Israel falling away from God and being redeemed
R" exactly: The Father tells his Son, Yashah go down and yasha humans from sin.
And Yashah tells you at the end of his scroll how his salvation process works, in simple child like terms.
Hosea is a misspelling of the word Yashuh.
Notice Jesus gets the humans twice, Once I made you and Now I have bought you, so you are mine, mine, mine.
Like the song, "little boy made a boat, put it on the water, the string tied to two together..."
"little boy Jesus"
Boat is you
"string is faith"
Wonderful song about salvation, all based on this scroll.
Strange after the woman is bought as a slave to her master, the master still gives her the free will to walk away from Him?
This is the most fantastic scroll in all of Scripture, because it is Jesus message of salvation to us humans.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2024 17:52:52 GMT -5
D"I really have no idea what your point is The Book of Hosea is all about Israel falling away from God and being redeemed R" exactly: The Father tells his Son, Yashah go down and yasha humans from sin.
OK – What does this have to do with you belief in your self-made satan god of evil that opposes God’s right to rule His own creation How does this prove – your self-made satan god rebelled against God – hates God – and opposes God’s right to rule the universe D"I really have no idea what your point is
Either your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. OR R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator? You really need to make up your mind[/qote] For you to continue arguing both – is just proof of your insincerity – satan boy Be a man – take a stand – what to do believe - because no one here can tell It only takes one error to bring down all the tenants of the theory,
OH – that’s your point – trying to change the topic without answering a direct question
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Post by rob on Jan 24, 2024 16:49:21 GMT -5
My point is Jesus offers us a choice.
Ho 2:7 ...she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.
Jesus is our husband, we are his wife.
Consider his poetry parallel.
Jesus is our maker, we are built from His Divinity.
So we are genetically clones of Jesus, but not personalities of love, our loving is unique because each wife has the ability to freely choose how to respond.
Ho 2:8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.
BAAL here is the noun form of Baal, meaning Master. Obviously someone else is trying to become a complete master over the wife as a false husband,
Jesus is supposed to be our master Baal, not some other false lover.
Ho 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
And so
Ho 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies. 20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
The only question is where did this other lover come from? Was is designed that way as you claim by God, to bring things into His glory? Or did this false lover arise from sin? Something God foreknew but did not bring into existence intentionally.
You have chosen God created all things including ra and sin. I have chosen another interpretation, that sinning came into the world of GOD without designing of God, and raised its ugly head upon God's functional domain.
Since sin is never explained by GOD, it is left as a mystery. You however use Gnostic writings to explain the mystery, which I feel is doing violence to the words of God.
A question you did not answer, Jesus means to rescue. What does our Saviour rescue us from?
Ho 3:1 ¶ Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
I read the "whom" here? You do not care to...
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 24, 2024 18:10:23 GMT -5
OK – What does this have to do with you belief in your self-made satan god of evil that opposes God’s right to rule His own creation How does this prove – your self-made satan god rebelled against God – hates God – and opposes God’s right to rule the universe D"I really have no idea what your point is
Either your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. OR R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator? You really need to make up your mind For you to continue arguing both – is just proof of your insincerity – satan boy Be a man – take a stand – what to do believe - because no one here can tell It only takes one error to bring down all the tenants of the theory,
OH – that’s your point – trying to change the topic without answering a direct question
Do you support Ellen White and her satan teaching - or not
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Post by rob on Jan 25, 2024 16:17:09 GMT -5
You didn't answer my question
What does the Father expression save us humans from?
A rescuer rescues us from something, whom would that be?
Shalom
Dave What does the Father expression save us humans from? Easy answer – from the Second Death
A rescuer rescues us from something, whom would that be? Our mistakes – our wrong choices – our stupidity Rom 1:19-20 – no one has an excuse
Rescued + rewarded – for Deeds. Works, andFfruit of Jer 1:5 – for Mat 22:36-40 OR Proportionally Punished - for Deeds, Works, and Fruit of Jer 1:5 – for Mat 22:36-40
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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