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Post by rob on Jan 6, 2024 4:03:16 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" I mock you and Ellen White's claim of perfectionEllen WHite and I never claim perfection, such a right belongs to God and God only. God declared JOb was "tam" and "upright" This means JOb was perfect, sinless and completely saved by GOD. But the Opposer opposed this claim. D" It is the only reason you want satan to be the the god of evil
It wasn’t Eve’s fault – it was satan’s fault
It is not your fault – it is satan’s fault
You are looking for a scapegoat - you are making excusesRob" Again, three times I have said over the years, sinning is NOT the fault of the Opposer. You do not get the need for an agent. The Opposer is a prince of the world, a ruler, a king, hence His kingdom is a kingdom of sin, where self rules, not following the rules of love by faith. DO you understand this agency thing?When you sin, you choose to sin, all the power is available to you from God, but you choose to sin because sin is fun, the flesh is habit-ed by this sinning and it is fun, so this you do, enticed by our own desire as James says. But I am talking about the ruler of this world, the prince who rules earth and its subjects because they sin, so the ruler owns them as his own. DO you understand this claim of the prince of the world? Never can you blame GOD for your sins or the Opposer for your sins, all power is given to humans, and all limitations of the Opposer is also given, s o the choices are fair and reasonable. I am not making any excuses. You are not considering the prince of the world and his kingdom right t o own his subjects when they sin.In fact if the human never stops sinning, the prince can safely say the humans do not belong to a Saviour. This is why we have an accuser.
D" Now you deny Gen 3:14-24Brevity Dave, discussion of the verses? do I risk being banned again because you do not discuss? The verse says God does not tempt humans to sin. I read James as it reads. RObPP" R" Why did GOD create tov and ra?Dave" You already know the Jewish answer
You already know my answer
Within creation = function and balance + programmed endYou did not listen to Einstein did you, also a Jew who supports God, the smartest person who lived as a secular science person. RA does not exist, he says. It is a term to describe man's sinning, hence less of God flows in the hearts of men. free.messianicbible.com/feature/yetzer-ha-ra-yetzer-ha-tov/Medieval Jewish commentator Rashi explains that though we have the longing to sin, we also “have the ability to subdue it.” (Sifrei on Deuteronomy, P. Ekev 45, Kidd. 30b.)
How do we subdue it?
With the Word of God.
The Rabbis’ understanding (in Kiddushin 30b of the Talmud) emphasizes that the Torah (God’s Instructions) is the “antidote to the poison of the ‘evil inclination.’”
Yes faith in the word of God, does indeed remove the evil inclination,
God tells us exactly how powerful His Word is:
“Is not My Word like fire, says the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?” (Jeremiah 23:29).
ROB" Yes indeed the word makes us humble. Soil tilth ready for receiving the seed better. J ust as the Rabbis teach today, Yeshua accessed the Torah to swiftly overcome any inclination to sin, even while hot and hungry during a 40-day fast!
These temptations were:
Battling our Flesh (or the lust of the eyes): Satan told Yeshua to turn stones into bread at a moment when He was starving. He quoted the Torah: “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” (Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4).
Pride: Satan took Yeshua to the Holy City and told him to throw himself off the highest point of the Temple if he was really the Son of God. Again, Yeshua quoted the Torah: “Do not put the Lord your God to the test” (Deuteronomy 6:16; Matthew 4:7).
The World (or the pride of life): Satan then took Yeshua to a high mountain and offered Him all the kingdoms of the earth. Yeshua quoted the Torah for the last and final time: “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only” (Deuteronomy 6:13; Matthew 4:10).
And then Satan left him.
Rob's Question: Why is this Author speaking of Satan, if the Jews consider Satan a good angel prosecuting humans for their sins? The Rabbis say that we are to “circumcise our hearts,” to cut out the sin that results from our evil inclination (Deuteronomy 10:16; 30:6, Leviticus 26:41).
Can we circumcise our own hearts?
No. We need a Mohel (the specialist who does the circumcision). In other words — we need some help with this!
Rabbi Shaul (the Apostle Paul) explains that circumcision of the heart is produced “by the Spirit, not by the written code.” (Romans 2:29)ROB" Well said. King David understood that merely making a sacrifice to cover a sin (as the Torah required) was not sufficient until he dealt with his heart issue:
“The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. …” (Psalm 51:17–19)
David knows the process won’t be complete without the help of Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit).
He needed God’s Holy Spirit to fully circumcise his heart and restore him into right standing before God. David also understood that he could not proclaim the glory of God, nor continue ruling under God’s authority and power without God’s Spirit.
And for us to live a victorious life, we also need to call on God to fill us with His Holy Spirit.
ROB" Well said. Rabbi Shaul (Paul) wrote that if we “walk by the Spirit,” then we “will not carry out the desire of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16)
If we consciously submit to God, moment by moment, and resist Satan, he will flee from us (James 4:7).
ROB" Again this Messanic Jew is not speaking of Satan as a good angel simply prosecuting humans for their sins, but what mainstream Christians consider Satan as, THE Opposer. In the Spirit, we can exercise tremendous power. The disciples, for example, were amazed at their newfound abilities to cast out demonic spirits from people (Luke 10:20).ROB" Yes There are many “spirits” in this world, but only One Holy Spirit.
And it is the power of the Holy Spirit that helps us overpower and subdue our evil inclinations and circumcise our hearts as the Rabbis ascribe to.
Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, a sign that we do have His power within us (Galatians 5:23).
And in this powerful Holy Spirit, we are called to fully participate in our God-given destiny:
“For you were created in Messiah Yeshua to do the good works that God prepared in advance for you to do.” (Ephesians 2:10)
What a relief that we don’t have to attain this level of righteousness by ourselves!ROB" well said Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2024 16:24:24 GMT -5
D" I mock you and Ellen White's claim of perfection Ellen WHite and I never claim perfection, such a right belongs to God and God only. YIKES! Ellen G. White Called Jesus a LIAR?! YOUR TURN – explain why you can avoid answering question about your own faith ------------------------------ How can one be tempted by his own desire? Clearly some good angel asked Job to be tempted more, so clearly Job was tempted by some good angel asking God to tempt Job some more, (not tempted by Job himself)
It wasn’t Eve’s fault – it was satan’s fault
It is not your fault – it is satan’s fault
You are looking for a scapegoat - you are making excusesCorrect – you deny scripture – you need you blame your sin on another
Do not ever deny this again ----------------------------------------------- D"God does use the BEAST / ARCHON / and the seed of the BEAST R" This is a violation of James. God does not tempt humans to sin. D"Now you deny Gen 3:14-24 Brevity Dave, discussion of the verses? Repeat - God does use the BEAST / ARCHON / and the seed of the BEAST |
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Post by rob on Jan 7, 2024 5:44:24 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
You didn't read an excellent post of mine, rather ignored 95% of it
I already told you Mrs White never says a Christian can claim they are fully sinless, such a declaration belongs to God
Rob Quotes Ellen White:
(1) "Those who take pains to call attention to their good works, constantly talking of their sinless state and endeavoring to make their religious attainments prominent, are only deceiving their own souls by so doing".
(2) "Those who have felt the sanctifying and transforming power of God, must not fall into the dangerous error of thinking that they are sinless, that they have reached the highest state of perfection, and are beyond the reach of temptation."
And these statements:
(1) "To every one who surrenders fully to God is given the privilege of living without sin, in obedience to the law of heaven.
(2) "We have sinned, and have wandered away from God. Christ says we are like the sheep that has wandered away from the fold. He came to help us live without sin. This He calls bringing us back to the fold.
These four statements from Ellen White should suffice.
Now how about reading my last post and answering the themes I presented for you?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2024 0:18:44 GMT -5
Rob Quotes Ellen White: (1) "all men are sinners (2) “all men are sinners And these statements:
(1) In order to let Jesus into our hearts, WE MUST STOP SINNING".
Signs of the Times, March 3, 1898
(2) "To be redeemed means to CEASE FROM SIN".
Review & Herald, September 25, 1900And these statements: *(1) "To every one who surrenders fully to God is given the privilege of living without sin, in obedience to the law of heaven. Surrenders fully – which is impossible for all men are sinners **(2) "We have sinned, .. He calls … us back to the fold. These four six statements from Ellen White should suffice. **(2) "We have sinned, .. no one can be redeemed , yet … He calls us back? OR *(1) if you believe – you cannot sin Then explain the sins of the disciples – Paul’s Rom 7 – Peters denial OR *(1) if you believe in Ellen White and belong to the SDA church – you cannot sin As you have presented here more than once – to which I have asked you multiple times - If you cannot sin than why lie on this forum? Now how about reading my last post and answering the themes I presented for you?Jas 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”—for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He himself tempts no one. Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. How can one be tempted by his own desire? Clearly some good angel asked Job to be tempted more, so clearly Job was tempted by some good angel asking God to tempt Job some more, ( not tempted by Job himself)D" It is the only reason you want satan to be the the god of evil It wasn’t Eve’s fault – it was satan’s fault It is not your fault – it is satan’s fault You are looking for a scapegoat - you are making excuses Rob" Again, three times I have said over the years, sinning is NOT the fault of the Opposer. You do not get the need for an agent.How can one be tempted by his own desire? … clearly Job was tempted by some good angelThe Opposer is a prince of the world, a ruler, a king, hence His kingdom is a kingdom of sin, where self rules, not following the rules of love by faith. DO you understand this agency thing? Yep – ARCHON – the beast – since Gen 1:2 – totally agreeWhen you sin, you choose to sin, all the power is available to you from God, but you choose to sin because sin is fun, the flesh is habit-ed by this sinning and it is fun, so this you do, enticed by our own desire as James says. How can one be tempted by his own desire? … clearly Job was tempted by some good angelBut I am talking about the ruler of this world, the prince who rules earth and its subjects because they sin, so the ruler owns them as his own. DO you understand this claim of the prince of the world? Yep – ARCHON – the beast – since Gen 1:2 – totally agreeNever can you blame GOD for your sins or the Opposer for your sins, all power is given to humans, and all limitations of the Opposer is also given, so the choices are fair and reasonable. I am not making any excuses. You are not considering the prince of the world and his kingdom right to own his subjects when they sin. In fact if the human never stops sinning, the prince can safely say the humans do not belong to a Saviour. This is why we have an accuser. Yep = Hebrew satan H7854 / G4566 – totally agreeRObPP" R" Why did GOD create tov and ra? Dave" You already know the Jewish answer You already know my answer Within creation = function and balance + programmed end Yeshua accessed the Torah to swiftly overcome any inclination to sin, during a 40-day fast! PROVING that Jesus – son of Man - was 100% animal flesh (yester ra)These temptations were: Battling our Flesh (yester ra)Pride: (yester ra)And then Satan left him. Yep – it is written – cannot temp god
PROVING that Chirst – was 100% God Rob's Question: Why is this Author speaking of Satan, if the Jews consider Satan a good angel prosecuting humans for their sins? Rob's Question: Why is this Author speaking of SatanMat 4:1 tempted of the devil. – G1228 diabalos – the devil Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: - G4567 satanas Both of the Rev 12 beast / dragon / serpent - G1228 diabalos - G4567 satanas Rob's Question: Why is this Author speaking of Satan, if the Jews consider Satan a good angel prosecuting humans for their sins?G4566 - Σατᾶν – Satan - Of Hebrew origin [H7854] – is not in this verseThe Rabbis say that we are to “circumcise our hearts,” to cut out the sin that results from our evil inclination (Deuteronomy 10:16; 30:6, Leviticus 26:41). Can we circumcise our own hearts? Rabbi Shaul (the Apostle Paul) explains that circumcision of the heart is produced “by the Spirit, not by the written code.” (Romans 2:29) ROB" Well said. You say well said - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritualKing David understood that merely making a sacrifice to cover a sin (as the Torah required) was not sufficient until he dealt with his heart issue: “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. …” (Psalm 51:17–19) - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritualDavid knows the process won’t be complete without the help of Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit). - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritualHe needed God’s Holy Spirit to fully circumcise his heart and restore him into right standing before God. David also understood that he could not proclaim the glory of God, nor continue ruling under God’s authority and power without God’s Spirit. - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritualAnd for us to live a victorious life, we also need to call on God to fill us with His Holy Spirit. - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual ROB" Well said. You say well said - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spiritual or spiritual
You claim any one in your Ellen White club that says – I have faith = a spiritual conversion on the same level as Paul 2Cor 12
You claim any one in your Ellen White club that says – I have faith = a spiritual conversion on the same level as Act 19
You claim any one in your Ellen White club that says – I have faith = a spiritual conversion on the same level as those at Pentecost
– you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual –
You have no idea what you are talking about – you mock what you do not knowRabbi Shaul (Paul) wrote that if we “walk by the Spirit,” then we “will not carry out the desire of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16) Your own video said Ellen White was passed out on the floor
Seriously could she sin in this position / condition?If we consciously submit to God, moment by moment, and resist Satan, he will flee from us (James 4:7). Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves fully Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves Jas 4:7 be subject, then, to God; WOW – you sure make it seem easyRob Quotes Ellen White: (1) "all men are sinners (2) “all men are sinners WOW – you make it seem impossible– you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual –
You have no idea what you are talking about – you mock what you do not knowIn the Spirit, we can exercise tremendous power. The disciples, for example, were amazed at their newfound abilities to cast out demonic spirits from people (Luke 10:20). ROB" Yes – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual –
You have no idea what you are talking about – you mock what you do not knowJeff Brenner Genesis,Zen pg 118 – The ability to know God is to be in harmony with the universe; but also brings with it the ability to manipulate creation … all of the kinetic energy of the universe is within us … originally this meant Adam had the ability to manipulate his environment. |
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Post by rob on Jan 8, 2024 5:29:11 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" ( 1) In order to let Jesus into our hearts, WE MUST STOP SINNING".Rob" What wrong with this? 1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. Same as NT torah? It says if you have Jesus by faith, you do not sin. Isn't this what this passage is saying? You seem to have a problem with the torah not Ellen White? ROBPP" In fact if the human never stops sinning, the prince can safely say the humans do not belong to a Saviour. This is why we have an accuser.D" Yep = Hebrew satan H7854 / G4566 – totally agree Rob" Great  we finally agree on the archons as rulers of the world who own humans because they are sinning like the archons are, sinning before God. ============ D"- Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual Rob" You must stop your copy and paste
I do not agree at all. There is a spirit in the Scriptures, the grand spirit is a grand medium, the Holy Spirit, who functions as a medium, to carry power from one source to a receiver. You speak of the Spirit as some ethereal body, that moves and is the expression of the Father, or something like that? You play word games, ruwach means medium. And mediums are functions, not created beings or divine beings, or expressions of the father When Jesus compared the ruwach to wind, (John3) this is true, for wind, ordinary wind is a medium process where air moves within air, to carry the energy from the gradient of air. This process is termed in science a medium, but it translated as a spirit. Ps 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Here is a parallel poetry verse Messengers parallel ministers Medium parallels flaming fire So angels are similes of messengers and simile of minister A medium is a simile of flaming fire. Why did the Scriptures say saraph esh? Is a flaming fire like a medium in science? Hmm? Dunno, I would think not? I would need to think this some more Dave. Somethings are difficult to fathom in the torah? Pr 16:2 but the LORD weigheth the spirits. ROB" can you weigh mediums? Hmm? I would think not? Mt 8:16 he cast out the spirits with his word, ROB" How can one cast out a medium? D" You say well said - Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spiritual or spiritual ROB" The spirit refers to carrying the Father powers via the SON and via the Holy Spirit into humans who receive this power by faith. So yes I see the term spirit as real and a true process which is in science called a medium. The medium in a heavenly sense is also administrated by the SHADDAY, who is an uncaused cause from eternity, and also of infinity. Most mediums in science are passive, and never administrated, they function using known science laws. D" Your own video said Ellen White was passed out on the floor R" I don't remember hearing this? D" WOW – you sure make it seem easy ROb " claiming God's power via faith is easy, but as James says Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable D" Jeff Brenner Genesis,Zen pg 118 –
The ability to know God is to be in harmony with the universe; but also brings with it the ability to manipulate creation … all of the kinetic energy of the universe is within us … originally this meant Adam had the ability to manipulate his environment.R" Yes imagine Adam talked to plants telling them to grow here, not there, and the grass to move over for a new space for some new plant Adam wanted to plant in the ground. 1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2024 10:55:57 GMT -5
D" (1) In order to let Jesus into our hearts, WE MUST STOP SINNING". Rob" What wrong with this? Rob Quotes Ellen White: (1) " Those who take pains to call attention to their good works, constantly talking of their sinless state and endeavoring to make their religious attainments prominent, are only deceiving their own souls by so doing". (2) " Those who have felt the sanctifying and transforming power of God, must not fall into the dangerous error of thinking that they are sinless, that they have reached the highest state of perfection, and are beyond the reach of temptation." ------------------------------------- ROBPP" In fact if the human never stops sinning, satan can safely say the humans do not belong to a Saviour. This is why we have an accuser. D" Yep = Hebrew satan H7854 / G4566 – totally agreeRob" Great we finally agree on the archons (G4567 / G746) as rulers of the world who own humans because they are sinning like the archons are, sinning before God. Yep – have always agreed – the ARCHON – are the rules of this world – this world is their kingdom – this world is their domain – since Gen 1:2============ D"- Yet – you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual Rob" You must stop your copy and paste I do not agree at all. There is a spirit in the Scriptures, the grand spirit is a grand medium, the Holy Spirit, who functions as a medium, to carry power from one source to a receiver. Correct – you do not know what you arer talking about – you mock what you refuse to understand
You speak of the Spirit as some ethereal body, that moves and is the expression of the Father, or something like that? Yep – the Spirit of god = the presence of God = GodYou play word games, ruwach means medium. And mediums are functions, not created beings or divine beings, or expressions of the father Correct - you totally reject the teaching – no such thing as spirit or spiritual
D"Your own video said Ellen White was passed out on the floor
R" I don't remember hearing this? Your provided video 9:30 - anyone claiming contact with the spirit world – is not of God Any spirit medium is not of God11:00- she claim contact with the spirit world and she is a prophet Now she claims to be a spirit mediumEllen White's Visions Ellen White, a founder of Seventh-day Adventism who received visions instructing her on health and wellness, taken from the documentary film The ADVENTISTS, by Journey Films. Claiming 2000 visions – more than any recorded prophet in history Vision that would cause her to pass out – fall to the floor Even people around here are moved to tears by the spirit Robert claims this type of stuff is satanic – he even prays against it
Your provided video 17:45 – she described her experience as an out-of-body experience Viewed herself as removed from this world and into the presence of heavenly beings Moved to the spirit world Robert says this is impossible new age satanic garbage he says
D"Jeff Brenner Genesis,Zen pg 118 – The ability to know God is to be in harmony with the universe; but also brings with it the ability to manipulate creation … all of the kinetic energy of the universe is within us … originally this meant Adam had the ability to manipulate his environment. R" Yes imagine Adam talked to plants telling them to grow here, not there, and the grass to move over for a new space for some new plant Adam wanted to plant in the ground. Yet you deny that the shedim /archon /Jinn have the power to manipulate nature as described by King SolomonYou preach contradiction with every postDo you know Ellen White and her visions or not? Why do you preach against your own prophet and say her experience are satanic |
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Post by rob on Jan 8, 2024 15:58:36 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" According to your teaching of Ellen White – no one can accept Jesus into their heartsR" Well said my friend. The Scriptures teach that Salvation the person is also a process in your heart, that when you accept the Person by Faith, you also begin His Presence in your heart, so that the power flow is a daily one, and you grow like a tree does, first the Seed (Jesus) than the Seedling (you and Jesus yoked together) and finally the fruit (the evidence of the Father showing his graceful powers to others as a witness). All this germinating of Jesus and growing of Jesus is achieved via the grand medium, and so through this medium, His spirit develops in you. And if you miss speaking the words of Jesus in your daily walk, God is able to forgive you for that missing of faith. I have seen many a wheat plant bruised and eaten, attacked and diseased, all evidence of RA (the results of sins, assuming the simile allows for the mind of a plant to sin, which it doesn't, that is why a simile is a simile, not the exact same thing as the substance the simile is demonstrating) but from this fallen wheat plant come perfect, complete and "sinless" to coin a term, my two pennies, seeds of Jesus. And from that plant you can take the seeds and grow another perfect reproduction of the Father's power in the soil for the next generation. This is how I understand the topic you raise. I like similes because they make it easier to understand the domain of God, which is difficult to fathom and describe. Ps 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.You can claim this power flow of growing like this by simply taking His word and saying them in your mind. Ps 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.Like this / or Scroll of Yashah 14:2 Take with you words, The scroll of Yashah describes His Salvation process in sinners, who are similes of a woman in adultery. Notice Yashah created us once and buys us back a second time since we are slaves to a sin owner, we are forver grateful to His love. Ho 3:2 So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver,Notice
Ho 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince,
Ho 4:1 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. Why does Yashah say there is a " controversy with the inhabitants of the land" because there is no faith (amen here is a word in the family of words meaning faith). Later in the NT Yashah speaks of destroying the prince of the land (earth). The devil, the father of lies. Ho 4:13 They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains,Does the Book of Yashah identify who these shedim false elohiym powers are? Ho 4:16 For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer:Ho 4:19 The wind "Holy Spirit" hath bound her "Israel" up in her wings,Interesting verse. Chapter 5 uses terms I am not familiar with Ho 7:5 In the day of our king the princes "Sar" have made him sick with bottles of wine;This is an interesting verse, for in Greek it would read Ho 7:5 In the day of our king the "archons" have made "King of Israel" sick with bottles of "false teachings"; My quibble with Dave is not about the "archons" per se, but who these "princes on earth" are and if the "chief prince archon" is called "hasatan" the "chief Opposer". My second barney is that these princes of the land are sinning and thus fallen cherubims. On both points Dave disagrees, but I am happy to identify the "archons" Greek word here for him. Ho 7:7 They are all hot as an oven, and have devoured their judges; all their kings are fallen:Question: if the princes make the Kings of Israel fallen, does this not by the law of association also make the archons fallen? Fallen from where? From heaven, Rev 12:8 Ho 7:16 They return, but not to the most High: they are like a deceitful bow: their princes shall fall by the swordHere is the beauty of poetry and poetry parallels. The term "prince" can now refer to both Israel princes as well as Archon princes. Notice both creatures do return to the Most High, both are like faulty bows using the Most High arrows of power (another simile) and both shall fall (from heaven to earth) by the sword ( a simile of the Words of the Most High - which are real swords and have the powers of living or non-living) Ho 8:1 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagleWeird. How does Yashah come as an eagle, where chapters before the Holy Spirit is an eagle simile? The only answer I have is the word echad means a unit, they come as one infinity, even though MATHS allows for more than one infinity of sets, the fact is if there were three infinity sets of infinity, you still only have one infinity set. Try and understand the Maths here. Ho 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not:What is interesting here the Kings and Israel and the Archons princes, are elohiym power that Yashah as also an elohiym power, does not YADA these other false elohiym power, and what makes these other powers false elohiym powers? Answer is sin (gen 3:26) Humans and archons both are false elohiym powers because they know both tov and ra , through sinning. Ho 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: Evil make being under the administration of the grand medium (the HS) but it does not end there, and I see the whirlwind as some function totally owned by those who wish to sow RA via their sinning. Meaning using God's power wrongly.Ho 9:9 They have deeply corrupted themselves,
Ho 9:10 Israel.. went to Baalpeor,Here is one archon prince I can see identified. BAAL. meaning Master. Ho 9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.Here is a massive clue to identifying the chief sar, notice the city is Tyrus, which was once a pleasant place like Eden was once a pleasant place. Notice also the murderer is Hareg, the Hebrew word meaning to kill. Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:In the first of poetry parallels, the "nagiyd" of Tyre , a human, is claiming to be a false elohiym power. In the second parallel, the "melek" of Tyre ( a broader ruler term) we have the identity of the archon princes Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;True to this parallel, both the human prince and the archon prince were in the Garden of Eden, as Hosea mentioned before. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:The archon prince is described as an anointed cherub, and such creatures w ere saraph burning creatures of fire guarding the throne of the Most High power.Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,This saraph cherub was perfect once, and having also free will to love and serve the Most High. Eze 28:16 (the cherub) hast sinned:And so the torah defines and identifies the origin of these archon princes and the chief archon prince who sinned first. Ho 9:14 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.In case you misunderstand, the damaged womb and the dry SHAD, is where the term shedim comes from. Ho 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.Notice the parallel poetry, both the princes of Israel and the Archon princes, does Yashah hate for their wickedness. Ho 10:8 The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.It is strange the term "Aven" here is spelt the same as the Hebrew word "aven" meaning the genetic potential for propensities, and the calling on rocks to bury us, a phrase referring to the dead of the wicked when Jesus comes in the clouds. Ho 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
13 Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men. Interesting parallel poetry here describing the process of Yashah as a salvation system. Ho 11:8 ¶ How shall I give thee up, Ephraim?
Ho 11:9 ..For I am God, and not man; Ho 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
5 ¶ I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. SO back to your question Dave, when we begin with GOD as our Saviour we are happy but after a while we forget and become proud again. This is the most serious of sins against the Saviour, for pride refuses to place your hand in the hand of the Saviour and hang on. ----------------- D" Yep – have always agreed – the ARCHON – are the rules of this world – this world is their kingdom – this world is their domain – since Gen 1:2 R" glad to hear this now we need only convince you of the way the torah identifies the archon princes of the land. D" Correct – you do not know what you arer talking about – you mock what you refuse to understand R" explain it than Dave. Use Bible verses. ================= Dave" Your provided video
17:45 – she described her experience as an out-of-body experience
Viewed herself as removed from this world and into the presence of heavenly beings ROB" Yes thanks for the video, and yes she falls to the ground while in vision, eyes open and not breathing. Scripture tells us to test the spirits, if they be of GOD or of the Opposer. So what are you trying to say Dave? that the visitations of the heavenly came unto her as visitations of the Opposer instead of God? How do we know her messages as from God? Because they all speak perfect Ancient Hebrew meanings. I have done this study? How much proof do you need? Look at her character growing in the Lord by the light she received. She was not perfect, but she lived by the light she was taught from God. But her messages are perfect, have to be because God told her to write them. D" Robert says this is impossible new age satanic garbage he says R" you have a terrible habit Dave of misquoting people. How do you know a true prophet from a false prophet? By their fruits. D" You preach contradiction with every post
Do you know Ellen White and her visions or not?
Why do you preach against your own prophet and say her experience are satanicR" Again you make up stuff? If you want to know Ellen White begin reading her book Desire of Ages or Prophet and kings. In these books she does not push religion, she magnify s the torah. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Jan 9, 2024 17:31:36 GMT -5
D"Yep – have always agreed – the ARCHON – are the rules of this world – this world is their kingdom – this world is their domain – since Gen 1:2 R" glad to hear this now we need only convince you of the way the torah identifies the archon princes of the land. D"Yep – have always agreed – the ARCHON – are the rules of this world – this world is their kingdom – this world is their domain – since Gen 1:2The BEAST = the entropic antagonist of all physical creation One of his archon generals = the ‘sar’ of this world- this is that archon area of responsibility One archon Captain in this General’s ‘sar’ of Persia Many archon Lieutenants = “sar” Baal, Dogon, Chermush, Zeus, Osirus and RA - Beelzebub Many archon privates – the ‘sar’ of a disease or mental illness D"Correct – you do not know what you arer talking about – you mock what you refuse to understand R" explain it than Dave. Use Bible verses. I’ll explain using Ellen WhiteYou and her are on the record – no spirit – anyone claiming a spiritual encounter is NOT of God You jump and down – it is satanic – you pray against it Then you praise Ellen White because she had 2000 spiritual experiences Experiences that left her in a trance – falling to the floor – no breathing Dave" Your provided video 17:45 – she described her experience as an out-of-body experience Viewed herself as removed from this world and into the presence of heavenly beings Yet – you mock anyone and everyone claiming anything similar THE ONLY DIFFERENCE – 1000s of other people all wake up humbled and stunned that Jesus Christ is real Ellen White wakes up preaching satan and Islamic Advent mathTwo gods in heaven locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universe is a Roman Catholic invention – It is pagan Zoroasterism It elevates satan to godhood – by diminishing God ================= So what are you trying to say Dave? that the visitations of the heavenly came unto her as visitations of the Opposer instead of God?TRUTH – check my facts 1- 500BC = an awakening Socrates dies in open forum says – death is not the end spirit lives Zorasterism is born Mithrasism is born The OT stops 2- the inner-testament period The Temple is rededicated and the teaching of resurrection becomes mainstream Judaism 3- Jesus Christ The Pentecostal Messianic Jewish – New Christian movement of the first and second century AD = the Original Christian given to man by Christ This form of Christianity is vastly different than Roman Catholicism 4- Roman ‘religious leaders’ forced it all under one authority 5- once married to the Roman Empire their authority became the power to move the Sabbath to de-jewdify their new religion and war against anyone / any other denomination – Christian or not to have the authority to kill Luk 19:27 But those hostile to me, who didn’t want me to reign over them, bring them here and execute them before me.’” Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Crusades – then Protestant Inquisition = a thing called the 30 years war 6- The puritans escaped to America to escape to religious freedom 7- - 1700s = an awakening THE FIRST GREAT AWAKENING – the movement toward a more Pentecostal life 5- - 1800s = an awakening Joseph Smith – Mormonism – the Other Testament of Jesus Christ Charles Russell – the watchtower – Jehovah’s Witness THE ADVENT MOVEMENT Miller → Ellen White – new writings and new theology – Islamic Advent Math The ‘bah’ → Bahia Islam – new writings and new theology – SDA Advent Math 1800s = an awakening
THE SECOND GREAT AWAKENING – all of it an alternative to ChristianityAll prepatory to the end-times ---------------------------------------------- How do we know her messages as from God? Because they all speak perfect Ancient Hebrew meanings. I have done this study? How much proof do you need? Look at her character growing in the Lord by the light she received. She was not perfect, but she lived by the light she was taught from God. But her messages are perfect, have to be because God told her to write them. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. What’s your point?How do you know a true prophet from a false prophet? By their fruits.
She teaches an alternative to ChristianityHer teachings to you are anti-Jewish / anti-Spirit / anti-Christian Her teachings to you suggest satan is a god in heaven opposing God’s right to rule to universe Her teaching to you suggest the is no spirit There are three types of Christians 1- the lost 2-the believer Just be Catholic – there is no more to Christianity – just let men teach you 3- Spiritual Christianity does not exist Only to Jewish prophets of old – and Ellen White teaching Islamic Advent Math Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. NO Robert nothing here is impressiveJoseph Smith healed >80 people in one day 17 documented miracles associated with the Mormon Church NO Robert nothing here is impressiveBECAUSE – it is not the Christianity of Jesus – His disciples – His followers – the First Cristians of the Book of Acts |
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Post by rob on Jan 10, 2024 14:49:31 GMT -5
Greetigs Dave
D" other people all wake up humbled and stunned that Jesus Christ is real
R" That sounds OK, tell me some of these people whom you consider as true prophets for Jesus, and let's test their messages and their fruits of Jesus. Simple really.
D"Her teachings to you suggest satan is a god in heaven opposing God’s right to rule to universe
R" I already told you, there is no EWG message about the Opposer being a "god". Second this Opposer was ejected from heaven, now on earth.
Third you agree the archons are princes on earth.
So if you posted "Her teachings to you suggest The Opposer is now the chief archon Prince on earth, termed the ha-satan in Hebrew and is opposing God’s right to to save humans with God's process of salvation.
Now is this statement better for you?
Next you say
"D"Her teaching to you suggest there is no spirit
R" I would not make this claim. This is my claim only. And I have asked you to suggest torah verses that speak of the term "ruwach" as some person being, or personal expression of the Father, or some eternal spark given to humans who make them "you". You have never done this. Not a single Bible verse to back up your claims.
Where as the torah speaks of the ruwach "created" and the "ruwach" is a medium process, something not described much in science. My understanding this "spirit" function, is administrated by a Personal Being, called the Shadday.
Now where is your detail explanation. I asked, you wrote lots but not about this theme?
D" Ellen White teaching Islamic Advent Math
R" What does this mean Dave? Another invention on your part?
D" NO Robert nothing here is impressive
BECAUSE – it is not the Christianity of Jesus
R" The Christianity of Yashah must begin in the OT, where followers of Yashah do so by faith.
I presented the entire Scroll of Yashah as proof of the theme of salvation, and the identity of the false elohiym powers, using the word Tyros.
You were not paying attention. Salvation came first to the OT as well as the NT, same person.
Ho 9:13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
14 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
I gave you an entire book called Yashah that speaks of the SHAD and their origins, using the word Tyrus. You failed to study my details and you did not discuss the scroll.
Why you even consider that Yashah made a completely different salvation process in the NT, is wrong assumption.
Hab 2:4... the just shall live by his faith.
I do not see any difference.
Ps 51:15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Same process as David wrote
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Same creative process done by Yashah, as mentioned to Nicodemus in the NT, the same process of salvation by faith in Yashah.
Ho 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Here is a prophecy that Yashah comes to earth as the former OT torah and the NT latter torah , a poetry simile termed rain.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 10, 2024 15:48:01 GMT -5
D" other people all wake up humbled and stunned that Jesus Christ is real R" That sounds OK, tell me some of these people whom you consider as true prophets for Jesus, and let's test their messages and their fruits of Jesus. Simple really. D has posted some – I have posted some – you mock them all – call them satanicD"Her teachings to you suggest satan is a god in heaven opposing God’s right to rule to universe R" I already told you, there is no EWG message about the Opposer being a "god". The Great Controversy and God's Love for HumanityAdventist.org - www.adventist.org › the-great-controversyAll humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. Two gods in heaven locked in ac osmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universeYour satan created himself – against God’s Will
There is nothing left of God’s tov creation – your satan god changed God’s Plan – against god’s willYou are not consistent – you are not honest – you deny your own teaching ?Jewish belief #1 – God is absolute – Anything that has come into being was made by God for God. God is absolute – His creation is exactly as He Willed it to be. You deny this Jewish teaching with every post--------------------------------------------------- So if you posted "Her teachings to you suggest The Opposer is now the chief archon Prince on earth, termed the ha-satan in Hebrew and is opposing God’s right to to save humans with God's process of salvation. Now is this statement better for you? If the oppose is created by God for God – used by God – sure 100% Judeo-ChristianIf you teach that the opposer was once an good-angel created to praise and serve – then recreated himself – against God’s Will the changed God’s Plan against God’s Will – then you are just speading Catholic errorNext you say "D"Her teaching to you suggest there is no spirit R" I would not make this claim. This is my claim only. So you do not even support your own prophet – you just oppose everyoneD" Ellen White teaching Islamic Advent Math R" What does this mean Dave? Another invention on your part?You know exactly what it means – do some research find out what your Ellen White really teaches
The coming of the Islamic Mahdi
You have deliberately avoided this question over and over – still you pretend ignorance
Man up – do your own research – and answer the question – same math – same scriptureD" NO Robert nothing here is impressive BECAUSE – it is not the Christianity of Jesus R" The Christianity of Yashah must begin in the OT, where followers of Yashah do so by faith. You have just been exposed to real Jewish teaching – you deny all |
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Post by rob on Jan 10, 2024 22:24:34 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
D"Kathy Griffioen shares how the Holy Spirit completely transformed her walk with Jesus.
R" I listen to her testimony video. HMM?
Hard to tell? no messages from the word and no fruits discussed in her life. "baptism of the spirit" whatever that means, it means different things to different people.
D"All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe.
R" yes true, but EGW does not term the Opposer as a god, is my point, can't you stick to what is said and not said and why?
D"Two gods in heaven locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universe
R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?
Do you even consider a cherub sinned as the torah says Dave, or is the torah not allowed to speak truth to you?
If you remove this truth, than a whole decks of cards of truth collapse, no wonder the Jews are also confused, and Jeff Benner too. So if there is no origin of sin, GOD is the designer and maker of both tov and ra. No wonder you are confused.
I would say the Opposer wanted to be like the Most High, as the torah says. Be a provider of sin have subjects who adore the provider and sin and worship Him as the provider of sin.
But oppose the Creator and take His job? hardly, no sinning creature knows this is not possible.
D"You are not consistent – you are not honest – you deny your own teaching ?
R" You had to throw in my laymen statement for laypeople didn't you? You mock me all the time?
"Yes – I have two gods and two kings – what’s wrong with that?" typical of Dave, to find fault with sentences, do you understand messages come with different levels depending whose listening.
Do you tell a 2 yr old baby, stay away from the stove as the quantum mechanics will upset you.
D"Jewish belief #1 – God is absolute – Anything that has come into being was made by God for God. God is absolute – His creation is exactly as He Willed it to be.
You deny this Jewish teaching with every post
R" Why don;t you tell you readers what your view is really about? That GOD does both good and evil and even kills people, but expects people to follow his laws even though God himself does not have to follow them, that God created the wicked demons on purpose to test human loyalty to God.
Stuff like this?
D" If the oppose is created by God for God – used by God – sure 100% Judeo-Christian
R" you mock word meanings. An Opposer is not created by God for Godly reasons.
When God sent an angel to be an Opposer to Baalam, the Opposer was not playing a friendly game and God was not being friendly to Balaam, for the word Oppose means to oppose.
What was GOD angry over, angry enough to kill Balaam? It was his sinning, not the creature God loves, but his disobedience and thus sinning.
THE-Opposer is not friendly either, nor does the opposer play servant to God unless under duress, otherwise the Opposer would loved to have killed Christ permanently and leave him forever in the tomb, but this not happen. SO the Opposer knows his kingdom of sin is coming to an end.
D" then you are just speading Catholic error
R" How can it be Catholic if it's in the torah and explained by Hosea and other passages of the torah such as Numbers 21?
Do you really think the Opposer would want Jews to discover this verse?
How come some pious Catholics discovered the verse? Maybe GOD has true supporters in the Church system, like how even GOD used a wicked prophet like Balaam?
D"So you do not even support your own prophet – you just oppose everyone
R" Mrs White does use the term "medium" often, as well as the term "Agent", but not in detail as I do:-
"Those who have bitterly opposed the truth of God, Satan uses as his mediums. To such he will appear in the assumed person and garb of another, it may be a friend of the medium. He will increase their faith by using the words of this friend and relating circumstances which are about to take place or which really have taken place and of which the medium knew nothing."
"God is love. The love of the Father and the Son is an attribute of every believer. The Word of God is the channel through which divine love is communicated to man. God’s truth is the medium by which the intellect is reached. The Holy Spirit is given to the human agent who works in co-operation with divine agencies. It transforms mind and character, enabling man to endure as seeing Him who is invisible. Perfect love can be enjoyed only through the belief of the truth and the reception of the Holy Spirit."
Samples this these show the medium function works for both Satan and the HS.
D"You know exactly what it means – do some research find out what your Ellen White really teaches
The coming of the Islamic Mahdi
You have deliberately avoided this question over and over – still you pretend ignorance
Man up – do your own research – and answer the question – same math – same scripture
R" You write so much and yet it's confusing
"The coming of the Islamic Mahdi"
White horse?
Not a clue what you are talking about Dave. and nothing in the WWW
D"You have just been exposed to real Jewish teaching – you deny all
R" Jew do not support Yashah, so what are you saying? Rabbi Cahn supports Yashah, but do not like Rabbi Cahn much do you? Only bits of his doctrines, you don't like his fallen angels and his plurality of GOD.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 11, 2024 0:37:23 GMT -5
D"All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. R" yes true, but EGW does not term the Opposer as a god, is my point, can't you stick to what is said and not said and why? Your satan is the creator of evil according to you
Your satan equal with God – able to oppose God’s right to rule the universe
Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creation
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
D"Two gods in heaven locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universeR" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?AND your own answer to that same question = anyone opposing man is opposing GodDo you deny your own teach now – Mr consistently flip flop--------------------------------------------- Do you even consider a cherub sinned as the torah says Dave, Nope – angels were created to serve and praise –both Ezk 28 and Isa 14 is all about man
If you remove this truth (Catholic satan), than a whole decks of cards of truth collapse, Then all of Roman satanology collapses – agreed
NT demonology iis and always has been just a continuation of OT demonology
D"Jewish belief #1 – God is absolute – Anything that has come into being was made by God for God. God is absolute – His creation is exactly as He Willed it to be. You deny this Jewish teaching with every post R" Why don;t you tell you readers what your view is really about? That GOD does both good and evil and even kills people, Exo 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
Gen 8-10 God killed an entire planet og people
Gen 19 – God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah
Exo 12 - All the first born of Egypt – no angel of death – God did it
Duet 20 – God orders a genocide
Josh 6 – god command s agenocyde
Rev 5 - Christ returns as the ’Lion of Judah’
Rev 20 – according to Robert on a few are saved in the end
All of this = ra – all of this the hand of god – all of this serves God’s Will on Earth
Yep – Jewish God – Judeo-Christian God does some very ra looking things
All of it used to facilitate God’s Will on Earth-------------------------------------------- So if there is no origin of sin,Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Sin entered the world because of one human being -
stop rewriting scripture to support your satan god--------------------------------------------- D"You know exactly what it means – do some research find out what your Ellen White really teaches The coming of the Islamic Mahdi You have deliberately avoided this question over and over – still you pretend ignorance Man up – do your own research – and answer the question – same math – same scripture R" You write so much and yet it's confusing "The coming of the Islamic Mahdi" White horse? Not a clue what you are talking about Dave. and nothing in the WWW You are not honest – not in the lease
nothing in the WWW - You are not honest – not in the lease
Not only have I posted links – I even spelled out the math on this forum
You participation is obvious
www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/T7J8DC0VBTV8L24V2Look for the topic 1260 AH = 1844 AD = 1 The Time Prophecies of Daniel pointing to 1844 from the 2300 days intersects with the 42 months (X 30 days) = 1260. While my Adventist friends recognize 1844 as the correct year of the Advent of Christ's second coming, they ascribe the event as having occurred in some compartment of heaven. The reason they do this is because no one saw Jesus descending on a cloud in the sky overhead. They reexamined the time prophecies and found no error, so had to create an alternative. Then, in explaining what the 1260, or time (360) times (720) and a half (180) equals 1260, their forerunners ascribed this to various events in Papal history to prove the numbers ad up. What is remarkable is that no one seems to have noticed that the Muslim calendar year 1260 AH coincides with 1844 AD. How can any theologian worth his salt overlook the significance of these overlapping dates?Ad to this the fact that Daniel had his great vision in Elam, which is Southwestern Iran, and Jeremiah 49:38... clearly states "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam." In Jeremiah 49:36 it plainly states that "There shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come." The outcasts of Elam are the Baha'is who, being severely persecuted for the past 170 years are today found in every nation, more or less, having been cast out of their home country for the love of Baha'u'llah Elam is where the Bab, in 1844, set His Throne, foretelling the coming of Him Whom God shall make manifest. Daniel's references to 1280 are again the year 1280 AH, or 1863 AD, the year that Baha'u'llah publicly proclaimed His Mission to the world. This is also 1290 years after the public proclamation of Muhammad, ten years prior to the Hijra, which began the Muslim calendar, again fulfilling Daniel's prophecies. Not only do these important time prophecies link the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim calendars, but the place, Elam... In Islam, where will Jesus return? And what's the relation ... www.quora.com › In-Islam-where-will-Jesus-retur... Dec 25, 2016 — God promised global peace in the government of imam mahdi. Imam Mahdi, (may Allah expedite his reappearance). That Jesus will return is derived from the Quran as the general of the Mahdi. The Station of Jesus Christ in the Baha'i Faith Baha'i Blog - www.bahaiblog.net › Baha'i Life As the birth of Jesus Christ approaches, I reflect on Christ's wonderful revelation and the profound impact His message of love and fellowship has had on ... FYI Bahia Islam was founded before MillerMat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Not even Ellen White can predict the coming Jesus as the general of the Islamic MahdiRepeat
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Post by Dave on Jan 11, 2024 7:51:27 GMT -5
Finally the truth is revealed
R” Do you even consider a cherub sinned as the torah says Dave,
D"Two gods in heaven locked in a cosmic struggle over God’s right to rule the universe
All this time – the challenge to you has been – Precept upon precept, line upon line
go through each line of scripture and demonstrate to us how your satan god rebels, hates, and opposes God
What you discovered is that your satan never opposes God - only opposes man
What you discovered is that at times your satan even works for God
Unable to validate your own teaching – you concluded – anyone opposing man is opposing God
Now you say
R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?
If you remove YOUR truth (Catholic satan), than a whole decks of cards of Roman satanology collapses
Agreed - NT demonology is and always has been just a continuation of OT demonology
King Solomon’s shedim = Arabian Jinn = NT Archon = the Beast of Revelation = the dragon – the serpent we call devils and satans G4567
Robert now preaches against his own Ellen White theology
Has his views really changed 180* - or is this just more stuff he doen't mean?
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Post by rob on Jan 11, 2024 16:24:13 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" Your satan is the creator of evil according to you
Your satan equal with God – able to oppose God’s right to rule the universe
Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creation
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. R" NO Dave. The Opposer is a provider of evil, whatever that agency concept means? Creatures cannot engineer like a Creator can. Not possible, similar but never the same power. A creature is never equal to GOD. Not even close. Stop making up stuff. D "Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creationR" Again you are wrong. R" My two pennies is GOD created many Creations in the past, but knew one day free will would be exercised, but did not plan for it until the day it finally began to be exercised. Over a period of some hundreds of years The Most High saw the free will beginning to oppose His principles of love, so the Father having planned for this from all eternity, made the Shadday function as a medium, so the decisions of the free will could be observable without the Father's love immediately destroying the creature. It is not possible for sinning to force GOD, but God does react to free will when free will chooses to oppose God's love principles. D" AND your own answer to that same question = anyone opposing man is opposing God
Do you deny your own teach now – Mr consistently flip flopR" The provider of sin wants to promote his kingdom of sinning. Hence requires humans to be sinning as much as the prince archons also sin. But you never consider the prince archons having free will to sin either? When a human exercises free will, to choose sin, or technically to miss having God's power in their lives, they are by definition opposing GOD. This definition applies to any creature with free will to sin. In fact Paul says breaking faith is missing God in your life. The ten words are about faith principles. When you do not have faith, you are opposing God who wishes to empower you with His powers. But you empower yourself with human powers of self. Thus a sinning creature by definition opposers GOD. We see this when the Angel opposed Balaam because of his sinning, wanted Balaam to bless Israel. God hates the sin, but loves a sinner. So yes any Opposer who opposes love, is also opposing God. Same idea as a bird killer killing birds is also opposing God, because very humble creature does not fall to the ground unnoticed by the apple of His eye. God is wanting to save humans from sin, but the Opposer opposes this salvation process, because the Opposer wants humans for his kingdom. A sinless humans is one less human in his kingdom, hence the Opposer opposes God's salvation. I agree the Opposer cannot oppose God directly, as GOD limits his powers and can destroy the Opposer in an instant, so the Opposer has respect under duress. D" Nope – angels were created to serve and praise R" No BIble verse saying the angels were created to show a function. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Here the cherub was annointed, chosen for a function, not created for a function. You are wrong Dave. Cherubs are not created for functions. Therefore cherubs have free will. D" Gen 8-10 God killed an entire planet of people
Gen 19 – God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah
Exo 12 - All the first born of Egypt – no angel of death – God did itR" Well when you are raised before GOD like the rest of all humans who ever live are also raised you can ask this question of GOD? Does not GOD have the right to end his probation of grace? When humans no longer seek salvation? I am talking about ratsach not hareg. D"Rev 20 – according to Robert only a few are saved in the endR" SO few a child could write that down. Isa 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them. ================= D" What is remarkable is that no one seems to have noticed that the Muslim calendar year 1260 AH coincides with 1844 AD. How can any theologian worth his salt overlook the significance of these overlapping dates?R" So we finally post something do we? My understanding is the date of September 1844 was based on Orthodox Jewish reckoning of the Appointed times? I will have to research this for you. Got nothing to do with Islam. D" What you discovered is that at times your satan even works for GodR" The Opposer does not work for God. If a human king wants to SIN, can GOD empower the Sinner to sin, as a provider of SIN? No that would imply GOD is a provider of SIN and a sinner Himself. No GOD instead asked for anyone out there who is a provider of sin to come and do what the king wants. And so a lying medium steps forward and does what the Lord proclaims. Here is a lying medium to get the king to sin some more. You see this as a servant of the Lord, I see this as GOD allowing the correct provider to provide.D" Robert now preaches against his own Ellen White theology
Has his views really changed 180* - or is this just more stuff he doen't mean?R" You need to stop mocking Dave. I do not mock you? babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hw1vwg&seq=17&format=plaintextI want you to read this book please and outline any parts you conside Gnostic according to your view. I have read this book 3 times already, so will help you with some sentences I consider weird. This wonderful life is active all about us in an infinite variety of forms ; in bird , insect , fish , reptile , and all the million creatures which people the earth and sea , we recog nize one common Life , - a kindred force which springs in every limb that leaps and moves , which throbs in every beating heart , thrills through every nerve , and quivers in every brain .
Every leaf , every blade of grass , every flower , every bird , even every insect , as well as every beast or every tree , bears witness to the infinite versatility and inexhaustible resources of the one all - pervading , all - creating , all - sustaining Life .
od is the explanation of nature , not a God outside of nature , but in nature , manifesting himself through and in all the objects , movements , and varied phenomena of the universe .
Says one , " God may be present by his Spirit , or by his power , but certainly God himself cannot be present every where at once . " We answer : How can power be sepa rated from the source of power ? Where God's Spirit is at work , where God's power is manifested , God himself is actu ally and truly present . Said an objector , “ God made the tree , it is true , just as a shoemaker makes a boot ; but the shoc maker is not in the boot ; so God made the tree , but he is not in the tree . " The objector overlooked the fact that the process of tree - making in the living tree , is never complete so long as the tree is alive . The tree does not create itself ; a creative power is constantly going forward in it
God dwells in man . He is the life of man . He is the servant of man .
What Is Man ?
Job asked the question , " What is man ? " The atheist answers , " A body . " A certain class of religious thinkers have answered the question , " A body possessed of a soul . " A large number of theologians would answer , " A soul pos sessing a body . " Certain modern teachers declare man to be merely an idea . The Bible answers , Man is dust , animated by a divine life ; when this life is withdrawn , and the spirit returns to God who gave it , the body returns to dust from which it was made , and man is naught .
Can matter feel ? Can atoms think ? " Certainly we must reply in the negative , but we should also have to give a negative answer to any other question ascrib ing power or activity to matter , to atoms . Dust cannot feel , nor think , nor grow , nor act in any other way ; it can only be acted upon .
A corpse is not a man ; it is dust . The glory and the light have faded away with the life . The temple is desolate ; the Shekinah has departed . Dust alone cannot constitute a man . Man is a product of that wonderful creative skill which con structs from dust a form and dwells therein .
God not only forms a man from the dust of the ground , but continues to form him as long as he lives ; and the moment the creative process ceases , the walls of the temple totter and fall , its timbers fall apart , and the whole edifice crumbles back to dust . This thought , ever present with . us , will lead us to care tenderly for the temple's needs , to seek to harmonize our wills with that of the divine occupant , to co - operate with God in such a way that we may be true witnesses of his skill and wisdom , his beneficence and power . " Ye are my witnesses , saith the Lord . " Isa . 43 : 10 .
he living temple is both a house and a machine ; it works , hence it wears , and the rapidity of the wearing - out process is so great that the entire temple is rebuilded many times during a long life . It will be profitable for us to consider some of the sources of this wear and tear by which the temple is consumed .
How this burning is carried forward is one of the so - called mysteries of science which no one has undertaken to explain . The more we know of the intricate processes of nature , the deeper does the mystery become , until we recognize God as the explanation of it all , not a God far away , directing and controlling blind forces , as a naval commander controls the movements of the gunboats which compose his squadron , by messages sent by signs and otherwise to the officers in com mand of the several vessels , but as the one reat source of power , the fountain of all life and energy , the real actor in all the operations of the universe . The fire which burns in the body consumes the food as a furnace consumes fuel , while at the same time leaving absolutely uninjured the most deli cate nerve filaments , the most fragile threads of living proto plasm . This fire is not such a burning as man may kindle , an ordinary chemical combustion , a destroying flame , but is a sacred fire ever burning in the presence of Him who presides in the temple , maintained by his own life and energy so long as the temple stands I will stop on page 63 for now Shalom Thank you. Shalom |
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Post by Dave on Jan 11, 2024 18:55:39 GMT -5
D" Your satan is the creator of evil according to you Your satan equal with God – able to oppose God’s right to rule the universe R" NO Dave. The Opposer is a provider of evil, whatever that agency concept means? Word game – creator / provider A creature is never equal to GOD. Not even close.
Stop making up stuff.
I agree – your Ellen White teaching is satanic errorAdventist.org- www.adventist.org › the-great-controversy All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. This statement is error Either your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. ORR" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?You really need to make up your mind-------------------------------------------------------- D"Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creation Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creation R" Again you are wrong. Stop your bull shit – after Eve ate of the fruit your satan changed all of God’s creation into something flawed But you also teach your satan caused all creation to be flawed before creation – or in Gen 1:2 Over and over you blame choshek and ra on your evil provider - satan It is not possible for sinning to force GOD, but God does reactWord game – your satan god provider of evil makes God changeIsa 14:27 For Adonai-Tzva’ot has purposed, so who will annul it? Since His hand is stretched out, who will turn it back? Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: For I am God—there is no other. I am God, and there is none like Me— Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning, from ancient time, what is yet to come, saying, “My purpose will stand, and I will accomplish all that I please.” Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does. R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?Your God of tov only created a tov creation Then "Your satan forced God to change His Plan for creation Stop teaching that your satan god is so powerful that he caused God to Change His Plan against God’s Will You say - R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?D"AND your own answer to that same question = anyone opposing man is opposing GodDo you deny your own teach now – Mr consistently flip flop So yes any Opposer who opposes love, is also opposing God. God is wanting to save humans from sin, but the Opposer opposes this salvation process, because the Opposer wants humans for his kingdom. A sinless humans is one less human in his kingdom, hence the Opposer opposes God's salvation.God is wanting to save humans from sin – this is the promise and gift of gracebut the Opposer opposes this salvation process – by keeping man sidetracked with worldbecause the Opposer wants humans for his kingdom – for what purpose – would that change anything?A sinless humans is one less human in his kingdom, - true statementhence the Opposer opposes God's salvation. – absolute nonsense – God can reach into the depths of hell and save anyone – your satan cannot stop God – the suggestion is blasphemy the Opposer opposes this salvation process – by keeping man sidetracked with worldYou say - R" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?
I agree the Opposer cannot oppose God Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Here the cherub was annointed, chosen for a function, not created for a function. You are wrong Dave. Cherubs are not created for functions. Therefore cherubs have free will. This passage is about a man - and men have /free willYou have been given every opportunity to prove your Ezk 28 rebellion - you cannot - so stop preaching it here
================= D"What is remarkable is that no one seems to have noticed that the Muslim calendar year 1260 AH coincides with 1844 AD. How can any theologian worth his salt overlook the significance of these overlapping dates? R" So we finally post something do we? Posted several times - just ignored by youMy understanding is the date of September 1844 was based on Orthodox Jewish reckoning of the Appointed times? I will have to research this for you. Got nothing to do with Islam. Why did it appear on the planet to
Miller and the ‘bah’ at the exact same time in history?
When the teaching finally arrived in Persia/India - Bahia Islam was already establishedBahia literature quotes Miller – SDA.org quotes from Bahia Islam You have dedicated your life to a cult that you know nothing abput ------------------------------------------- D"What you discovered is that at times your satan even works for God R" The Opposer does not work for God. Explain 1chr21:1 + 2Sam 24:1
Explain – 1 Kings 22We have been all over this - so boring - can we please move on----------------------------------------- D"Robert now preaches against his own Ellen White theology Has his views really changed 180* - or is this just more stuff he doen't mean? R" You need to stop mocking Dave. I do not mock you? Either your satan is so powerful that he can – oppose the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. ORR" Absolutely not, so stop raising this issue, how on earth can a creature oppose a Creator?
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we finally agree on the archons as rulers of the world who own humans because they are sinning like the archons are, sinning before God.