Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 17:25:40 GMT -5
D" OK – so you teach that man was always meant to die a mortal death
R" Are you dull?
Ge 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
THis verse teaches us that eating of the fruit of the tree of living, enables us to have ongoing living, whether you have sinned or are still sinless. Eating of this fruit grants you ongoing living....not such thing as mortal death....
Can't you read Scripture?
However when Man SINNED, God reacted to SIN (and you preach GOD does not react to sinning?) and thus removed the couple from access to the tree of living.
So mortal death is a consequence of not having access to the tree of living.
D"So – you teach man was supposed to fall
R" No man was not supposed to fall. For over 33 years of Sabbaths GHod personally came to earth and talk to them about the opposer, and His words of negation and deceit. Stay away from those words. So from 33 years the opposer was silent waiting for his chance to speak in such a way as to not oppose God so directly. The serpent has a twisting head, "aruwm" He could twist good words with bad words.... He was clever, subtle..
D"If man was always designed to have a mortal death
R" Man was designed to live forever. The DNA could repair any mistakes with perfect precision. The holy words of living was recorded in man and was copied perfectly for years and years, no errors.
D"THE TWO TREES ARE NOT TWO GODS – it is LIFE or knowledge
R" I hate to bust your bubble, but that is exactly what the two trees represent.
Jg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us. 9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? 10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees? 12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us. 13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? 14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us. 15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
Free will creatures are similes of trees
Ps 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Eze 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched,
Trees are similes of ruling powers
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches,
Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
How can Assyria be a ruling power in Eden? Has to refer to other ruling powers in Eden at the time?
Eze 31:10 Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height,
How can one tree be a proud raising power?
Eze 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height,
Other trees do not grow with pride, only this one tree does....
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit:
Notice the fate of this ONE tree who dares to rise in pride above GOD... down to hell...
Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?
Very clearly Dave, trees represent ruling powers...
Ac 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Jesus was hung on a tree is significant, the tree is a simile of a ruling power.
Re 2:7 ...To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
The tree of life was a simile of living under GOD ruling over you.
D"So ridicules – how can God disobey Himself?
R" Death is NOT defined as cessation of chemistry, but the separating of matter from GOD.
SO if one member of elohiym power separates from other members of elohiym power, we experience death in the true defintion of death. For example if the components of a battery are separated the battery cannot make power, so the battery "dies", once the components become echad again the battery comes to life again.
In Ps 22 Yashuah says My el My el why are you leaving me.
God wrote the Bible not man, and therefore manmade dictionaries only spin manmade precepts upon the holy words God wrote via humans. We use the line upon line to define the word meanings of His words, not consult man and manmade precepts in a dictionary.
D"CORRECT – biology / matter was given a spirit – and man became a HUMAN BEING - Gen 2:7
R" correct, so how do you say God created spirit beings as well? how can God do this, when you hate polytheism to begin with? Can the uncaused caused make replicate more uncaused causes of himself? NO not possible.
Otherwise God is no longer a great uncaused eternal cause. And elohiym power is not of matter time or space, so your spirit word does NOT have any definition.... what is it? Unknown, is it possible to replicate? NO
Can it procreate itself ? NO using Oscazers Razor, it must be an uncaused caused from infinity and eternity.
Only GOD is immortal Scripture says clearly.
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You speak things you do not understand, Ps 131 we should not go here
D" the matter is mortal, so the matter part dies
Correct – all physicality passes away
but the spirit part lives on,
CORRECT – Life Lives – Christ did not die on the cross
R" When Jesus volunteers to OLAH his body for the life for life exchange the LAW demands for mischief, the separation of one Godhead from the other two Ghodheads, causes the "death process"
(1) The biological part of Jesus die not decay.
(2) The divinity part of Jesus did not cease either.
When humans die normally skin cell, fingernail cells live on for months, hence something else is going on rather than the cessation of chemistry. What I see is the HS leaves us when we expire our last "nashamah", and so the "ruwach" returns to God , who gave it. SO mortal death is a broken relationship to GOD, not cessation of biology.
When Jesus "died" the body did not decay, the divinity did not cease.
D" his Spirit (Christ) that continued to serve in the spirit world – by preaching to those that died during the Flood of Noah
Why do you deny scripture?
R" Line upon line, where does your claim come from? One verse here.
D"1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
R" YOur translation is fuzzy
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For <hoti> Christ <Christos> also <kai> hath once <hapax> suffered <pascho> for <peri> sins <hamartia>, the just <dikaios> for <huper> the unjust <adikos>, that <hina> he might bring <prosago> us <hemas> to God <theos>, being put to death <thanatoo> <men> in the flesh <sarx>, but <de> quickened <zoopoieo> by the Spirit <pneuma>:
"but alive in the spirit" is actually "chayah ruwach"
You think the spirit of Jesus went out of the tomb wandering to other spirit trapped in their tombs since the great flood of Noah. NO, the term "chayah" does not refer to this idea at all.
"chayah" means to have "ongoing living" in refers to the quickening powers of the HS.
Verse 19 "Jesus went and preached unto the "spirits in prison" seems to me to be an idiom of Hebrew,
Suggests to me Peter is speaking of the times Jesus preached to the living trapped in prison.
You ignore the fact that since sinning our bodies are trapped in living prisons....
You assume Jesus did this after He died.
Just use line upon line, does the dead speak and listen to preachers ? Answer NO.
SImple really, look up ALL the verses Dave. Not just one you choose, ignoring the others.
D"YES – I BELIVE SCRIPTURE – WHY DO YOU DENY IT
THERE IS NO SECOND CREATOR!
R" Yes the cherub was created, Scripture says so, a perfect sinless creature we are told.
But the RA words the cherub speaks, GOD does NOT create. When we speak words of RA, they come from ourselves, empowered by the first creature who also speaks His own words of RA.
D"Joh 1:3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
R" Does this also mean GOD creates all the words we speak, all the sinning we do and all the temptations to sin we experience too? How far do you push your silly extremes?
Or
Does our free will imply creatures can speak their own words of RA, do their own deeds of RA and seek the RA things themselves?
D"The serpent was selfish – only thought of himself – his greed – his pleasure
R" Yes but if this creature has no free will according to you, the RA words that come out, the RA deeds that creature does and the RA living the creature seeks is all designed and predestined by GOD Himself? Is this not true according to your view? Y/N?
Something wrong with your reading of Scripture
(1) God hates RA
(2) God does not lie
(3) God does not sin
(4) God created all things "very good", not good with some bad.
D"You just reminded yourself that WORLD is not your friend
R" Bogus. The world was originally "Very good" "perfect" without "ra"
Only sinning changed our creation, not God's fault.
D"The WORLD cannot save you – it is bitter
R" You think
Da 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The Father (ancient of days) gives His SON, yashuah a dominion, a kingdom that is not destroyed.
So you are wrong. Jesus came to save this soil, from cessation, and the biology upon it.
Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
NOT brand new, but renewed, restored, same matter same biology restored.
D"You are only talking about your biological brain – intellect
I am talking about the spirit of man
R" OK
Show me the Hebrew verse that speaks of this spirit of man than after death?
D"Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
There we are – serving the Lord – around the throne – First Fruits – before your First Resurrection
R" Before the resurrection?
"and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand" Rev 13 to 18, us living in 2022 soon to receive a mark, caught up to serve God....
Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Can't you read Scripture in context as a whole?
Yes I get your little first fruits resurrection, when Jesus rose He took many with him. This happened 33 AD or so.
After that there is only one more resurrection for the straight ones.
D"Sorry Robert – your Hebrew definition is error – Baal NEVER means selfishness
R" Did you read my links?
There is not Hebrew word for self or selfishness, Baal is the closest I have found.
Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mammon comes from a Baal concept, meaning to master ones self.
Jg 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
"own eyes" as their "baal" saw fit, master of themselves.
Jg 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
Baal, noun form meaning a completed master of themselves, turning themselves into a god like idol.
1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him.
Notice two masters here God and Baal.
Stop using Strong's for meaning, and use Scripture, line upon line.
D"So you teach that all men are possessed by an evil spirit – therefore our choices are not our own
R "Baal is not an evil spirit, why do you fail to read? I said we develop masters of our own eyes.
D"What does iniquity have to do with the desire for self-preservation and the survival of the species?
R" "aven" is the epigenetic potential to do beastly things once activated. The genes wake up and develop pet sinning in you that become habits of lust and sin
D" ABSOLUTELY and in 100 AD everyone understood Greek -0 because it was the international language of Law and Commerce
R" yes
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Prophecy the Hebrew goes out into another language: Greek, now English
But this happens under stammering lips.... fuzzy, so we learn less and less of God's truth.
D"YES GOD’S LOVE IS UNREQUITED – no one can fall from God’s Love and compassion
R" OK what is divorce than?
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;
"put her away" sounds like falling from God's grace to me?
I see you confuse God's love covers all sinning and sinners depression, yes, but one can fall away from God's grace and no longer seek him
D"NO ONE DENIES THE SERPENT – who is the Beast of revelation and we call him/them devils and satanas
Why do you deny scripture?
R" Hang on Dave you twist and confuse Scripture and Uncle Noah saying there are TWO bad agents, one called Satan a good angel doing a bad job and the other SATANAS, some Greek archon created to tempt humans to sin.
Sorry I see this not written in Uncle Noah's account of Ancient Chinese words, one devil, not two.
Rob gets Dave upset and you write mocking emotional words, but all I asked you was a simple question
"r" SO what is this than advised by Paul?
What was this Gnosis Paul wrote to Timothy to avoid?
A simple question, and not answered by Dave.
I note you answer this later in your post
D"Gnostic Christianity = knowledge – understanding
R" OK if GNostic only means "daath" why do you make a big deal about it and seek other books not found in the torah? I don't have a problem with "daath" however I prefer to learn "yada", which is different to "gnosis" and is a word related to "intimacy" the relationship of loving our Lord personally. Not knowing about Him.
D"Evolution – Islam – Hinduism – Daoism – atheistism - Satanism (Catholicism) – false prophets (like the great awakening of the 1800s – Joseph Smith – bahai Faith – Charles Russell – and you know who)
R" OK we are on the same page than.
Why not throw in books that are not in harmony with the torah?
D"Then why do you study with people beyond your understanding
If you are not prepared for college – you should go back to elementary school
R" Dave I have two degrees and went to Unviersity twice, so I know a few of their big words, but choose to not use them. Simple (PS 131) words we are told to use for children.
D"DUH – the language of LAW is to eliminate any confusion in the details
And this is why GREEK was the language of law and commerce during the ministry of Jesus Christ
to eliminate any confusion in the details
R" I see, make the world complex, the more complex the better. A satan tactic.
I prefer to live simple like Amish, if they lived near me I would become Amish.
Less technology, simple living, barter, no money, exchange skills, not pay for them.
Hebrew is a broad language, but does not mean it lacks details, Noah bult a boat remember?
D"You are born with a belief in God (because you have knowledge of God) - DUH
R" Yes we are born with daath, but this is not yada, we develop yada in Jesus only when we do amanuah in Jesus.
RP" R" SO you admit you follow the Babylonian Edit for the source of your satanas archons
D" YES - I FOLLOW THE agl/NT – YES I ADMIT THAT FREELY
RP" I follow the Moses and Ezekiel prophetic works.
And I have uncle Noah CHinese writings from 2400BC that was written before Abram existed showing me a devil existed, not two as you claim, one power opposed God.
Shalom
R" Are you dull?
Ge 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
THis verse teaches us that eating of the fruit of the tree of living, enables us to have ongoing living, whether you have sinned or are still sinless. Eating of this fruit grants you ongoing living....not such thing as mortal death....
Can't you read Scripture?
However when Man SINNED, God reacted to SIN (and you preach GOD does not react to sinning?) and thus removed the couple from access to the tree of living.
So mortal death is a consequence of not having access to the tree of living.
D"So – you teach man was supposed to fall
R" No man was not supposed to fall. For over 33 years of Sabbaths GHod personally came to earth and talk to them about the opposer, and His words of negation and deceit. Stay away from those words. So from 33 years the opposer was silent waiting for his chance to speak in such a way as to not oppose God so directly. The serpent has a twisting head, "aruwm" He could twist good words with bad words.... He was clever, subtle..
D"If man was always designed to have a mortal death
R" Man was designed to live forever. The DNA could repair any mistakes with perfect precision. The holy words of living was recorded in man and was copied perfectly for years and years, no errors.
D"THE TWO TREES ARE NOT TWO GODS – it is LIFE or knowledge
R" I hate to bust your bubble, but that is exactly what the two trees represent.
Jg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us. 9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? 10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees? 12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us. 13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees? 14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us. 15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
Free will creatures are similes of trees
Ps 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
Eze 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched,
Trees are similes of ruling powers
Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches,
Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
How can Assyria be a ruling power in Eden? Has to refer to other ruling powers in Eden at the time?
Eze 31:10 Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height,
How can one tree be a proud raising power?
Eze 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height,
Other trees do not grow with pride, only this one tree does....
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit:
Notice the fate of this ONE tree who dares to rise in pride above GOD... down to hell...
Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?
Very clearly Dave, trees represent ruling powers...
Ac 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Jesus was hung on a tree is significant, the tree is a simile of a ruling power.
Re 2:7 ...To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life,
The tree of life was a simile of living under GOD ruling over you.
D"So ridicules – how can God disobey Himself?
R" Death is NOT defined as cessation of chemistry, but the separating of matter from GOD.
SO if one member of elohiym power separates from other members of elohiym power, we experience death in the true defintion of death. For example if the components of a battery are separated the battery cannot make power, so the battery "dies", once the components become echad again the battery comes to life again.
In Ps 22 Yashuah says My el My el why are you leaving me.
God wrote the Bible not man, and therefore manmade dictionaries only spin manmade precepts upon the holy words God wrote via humans. We use the line upon line to define the word meanings of His words, not consult man and manmade precepts in a dictionary.
D"CORRECT – biology / matter was given a spirit – and man became a HUMAN BEING - Gen 2:7
R" correct, so how do you say God created spirit beings as well? how can God do this, when you hate polytheism to begin with? Can the uncaused caused make replicate more uncaused causes of himself? NO not possible.
Otherwise God is no longer a great uncaused eternal cause. And elohiym power is not of matter time or space, so your spirit word does NOT have any definition.... what is it? Unknown, is it possible to replicate? NO
Can it procreate itself ? NO using Oscazers Razor, it must be an uncaused caused from infinity and eternity.
Only GOD is immortal Scripture says clearly.
-------------------------
You speak things you do not understand, Ps 131 we should not go here
D" the matter is mortal, so the matter part dies
Correct – all physicality passes away
but the spirit part lives on,
CORRECT – Life Lives – Christ did not die on the cross
R" When Jesus volunteers to OLAH his body for the life for life exchange the LAW demands for mischief, the separation of one Godhead from the other two Ghodheads, causes the "death process"
(1) The biological part of Jesus die not decay.
(2) The divinity part of Jesus did not cease either.
When humans die normally skin cell, fingernail cells live on for months, hence something else is going on rather than the cessation of chemistry. What I see is the HS leaves us when we expire our last "nashamah", and so the "ruwach" returns to God , who gave it. SO mortal death is a broken relationship to GOD, not cessation of biology.
When Jesus "died" the body did not decay, the divinity did not cease.
D" his Spirit (Christ) that continued to serve in the spirit world – by preaching to those that died during the Flood of Noah
Why do you deny scripture?
R" Line upon line, where does your claim come from? One verse here.
D"1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
R" YOur translation is fuzzy
1Pe 3:18 ¶ For <hoti> Christ <Christos> also <kai> hath once <hapax> suffered <pascho> for <peri> sins <hamartia>, the just <dikaios> for <huper> the unjust <adikos>, that <hina> he might bring <prosago> us <hemas> to God <theos>, being put to death <thanatoo> <men> in the flesh <sarx>, but <de> quickened <zoopoieo> by the Spirit <pneuma>:
"but alive in the spirit" is actually "chayah ruwach"
You think the spirit of Jesus went out of the tomb wandering to other spirit trapped in their tombs since the great flood of Noah. NO, the term "chayah" does not refer to this idea at all.
"chayah" means to have "ongoing living" in refers to the quickening powers of the HS.
Verse 19 "Jesus went and preached unto the "spirits in prison" seems to me to be an idiom of Hebrew,
Suggests to me Peter is speaking of the times Jesus preached to the living trapped in prison.
You ignore the fact that since sinning our bodies are trapped in living prisons....
You assume Jesus did this after He died.
Just use line upon line, does the dead speak and listen to preachers ? Answer NO.
SImple really, look up ALL the verses Dave. Not just one you choose, ignoring the others.
D"YES – I BELIVE SCRIPTURE – WHY DO YOU DENY IT
THERE IS NO SECOND CREATOR!
R" Yes the cherub was created, Scripture says so, a perfect sinless creature we are told.
But the RA words the cherub speaks, GOD does NOT create. When we speak words of RA, they come from ourselves, empowered by the first creature who also speaks His own words of RA.
D"Joh 1:3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
R" Does this also mean GOD creates all the words we speak, all the sinning we do and all the temptations to sin we experience too? How far do you push your silly extremes?
Or
Does our free will imply creatures can speak their own words of RA, do their own deeds of RA and seek the RA things themselves?
D"The serpent was selfish – only thought of himself – his greed – his pleasure
R" Yes but if this creature has no free will according to you, the RA words that come out, the RA deeds that creature does and the RA living the creature seeks is all designed and predestined by GOD Himself? Is this not true according to your view? Y/N?
Something wrong with your reading of Scripture
(1) God hates RA
(2) God does not lie
(3) God does not sin
(4) God created all things "very good", not good with some bad.
D"You just reminded yourself that WORLD is not your friend
R" Bogus. The world was originally "Very good" "perfect" without "ra"
Only sinning changed our creation, not God's fault.
D"The WORLD cannot save you – it is bitter
R" You think
Da 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
The Father (ancient of days) gives His SON, yashuah a dominion, a kingdom that is not destroyed.
So you are wrong. Jesus came to save this soil, from cessation, and the biology upon it.
Re 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
NOT brand new, but renewed, restored, same matter same biology restored.
D"You are only talking about your biological brain – intellect
I am talking about the spirit of man
R" OK
Show me the Hebrew verse that speaks of this spirit of man than after death?
D"Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
There we are – serving the Lord – around the throne – First Fruits – before your First Resurrection
R" Before the resurrection?
"and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand" Rev 13 to 18, us living in 2022 soon to receive a mark, caught up to serve God....
Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Can't you read Scripture in context as a whole?
Yes I get your little first fruits resurrection, when Jesus rose He took many with him. This happened 33 AD or so.
After that there is only one more resurrection for the straight ones.
D"Sorry Robert – your Hebrew definition is error – Baal NEVER means selfishness
R" Did you read my links?
There is not Hebrew word for self or selfishness, Baal is the closest I have found.
Mt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mammon comes from a Baal concept, meaning to master ones self.
Jg 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
"own eyes" as their "baal" saw fit, master of themselves.
Jg 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
Baal, noun form meaning a completed master of themselves, turning themselves into a god like idol.
1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him.
Notice two masters here God and Baal.
Stop using Strong's for meaning, and use Scripture, line upon line.
D"So you teach that all men are possessed by an evil spirit – therefore our choices are not our own
R "Baal is not an evil spirit, why do you fail to read? I said we develop masters of our own eyes.
D"What does iniquity have to do with the desire for self-preservation and the survival of the species?
R" "aven" is the epigenetic potential to do beastly things once activated. The genes wake up and develop pet sinning in you that become habits of lust and sin
D" ABSOLUTELY and in 100 AD everyone understood Greek -0 because it was the international language of Law and Commerce
R" yes
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Prophecy the Hebrew goes out into another language: Greek, now English
But this happens under stammering lips.... fuzzy, so we learn less and less of God's truth.
D"YES GOD’S LOVE IS UNREQUITED – no one can fall from God’s Love and compassion
R" OK what is divorce than?
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;
"put her away" sounds like falling from God's grace to me?
I see you confuse God's love covers all sinning and sinners depression, yes, but one can fall away from God's grace and no longer seek him
D"NO ONE DENIES THE SERPENT – who is the Beast of revelation and we call him/them devils and satanas
Why do you deny scripture?
R" Hang on Dave you twist and confuse Scripture and Uncle Noah saying there are TWO bad agents, one called Satan a good angel doing a bad job and the other SATANAS, some Greek archon created to tempt humans to sin.
Sorry I see this not written in Uncle Noah's account of Ancient Chinese words, one devil, not two.
Rob gets Dave upset and you write mocking emotional words, but all I asked you was a simple question
"r" SO what is this than advised by Paul?
What was this Gnosis Paul wrote to Timothy to avoid?
A simple question, and not answered by Dave.
I note you answer this later in your post
D"Gnostic Christianity = knowledge – understanding
R" OK if GNostic only means "daath" why do you make a big deal about it and seek other books not found in the torah? I don't have a problem with "daath" however I prefer to learn "yada", which is different to "gnosis" and is a word related to "intimacy" the relationship of loving our Lord personally. Not knowing about Him.
D"Evolution – Islam – Hinduism – Daoism – atheistism - Satanism (Catholicism) – false prophets (like the great awakening of the 1800s – Joseph Smith – bahai Faith – Charles Russell – and you know who)
R" OK we are on the same page than.
Why not throw in books that are not in harmony with the torah?
D"Then why do you study with people beyond your understanding
If you are not prepared for college – you should go back to elementary school
R" Dave I have two degrees and went to Unviersity twice, so I know a few of their big words, but choose to not use them. Simple (PS 131) words we are told to use for children.
D"DUH – the language of LAW is to eliminate any confusion in the details
And this is why GREEK was the language of law and commerce during the ministry of Jesus Christ
to eliminate any confusion in the details
R" I see, make the world complex, the more complex the better. A satan tactic.
I prefer to live simple like Amish, if they lived near me I would become Amish.
Less technology, simple living, barter, no money, exchange skills, not pay for them.
Hebrew is a broad language, but does not mean it lacks details, Noah bult a boat remember?
D"You are born with a belief in God (because you have knowledge of God) - DUH
R" Yes we are born with daath, but this is not yada, we develop yada in Jesus only when we do amanuah in Jesus.
RP" R" SO you admit you follow the Babylonian Edit for the source of your satanas archons
D" YES - I FOLLOW THE agl/NT – YES I ADMIT THAT FREELY
RP" I follow the Moses and Ezekiel prophetic works.
And I have uncle Noah CHinese writings from 2400BC that was written before Abram existed showing me a devil existed, not two as you claim, one power opposed God.
Shalom