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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 15:22:04 GMT -5
D" Does this say Job is sinless What happened to – precept upon precept, line upon line?R I have showed you these verse before 1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. Who is the wicked one here? Some being to avoid? So there are sin-offerings NOT unto death? Why is that? spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htm DO you read studies on this ? Rp R" A rr no, the word perfect does not mean sinless per se,D" BOOM – then the prosecutor is only doing his jobR" This refers to sinlessness in the original state, and nobody can become sinless because we have already sinned and live in a RA world causing missing all the time. A prosecutor is NOT capable of pointing out a persons missings, not even close. At best he may point out to God the transgressions of the law (but you say we have no such standards?) , and all the other 75% of missings we do are beyond the reach of a prosecutor attorney, so what is the point of having one? And if you care to read my study link So there are sin-offerings NOT unto death? Most of our missing is mixed with Jesus grace and kindness (and our relationship to Him) so a prosecuting attorney would foul up this process, so again you are wrong, so very wrong. SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 26, 2022 20:09:18 GMT -5
Rp R" Arr no, the word perfect does not mean sinless per se, D" BOOM – then the prosecutor is only doing his job R" This refers to sinlessness in the original state, and nobody can become sinless because we have already sinned and live in a RA world causing missing all the time. Stop trying to bend scripture to your doctrine
Job was a sinner – and Hebrew satan job is to accuse him of it Precept upon precept, line upon line – all men are sinners including Job You cannot deny the whole of scripture just to make your doctrine true
A prosecutor is NOT capable of pointing out a persons missings, not even close WOW – this is profound!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 16:52:46 GMT -5
D" Job was a sinner – and Hebrew satan job is to accuse him of it WOW – this is profound!
R" So you think a creature can see, all our thoughts of missing, all our hidden propensities arising within us to make biological entities that lead to cognitive missing, ?
Can a created creature read our cognitive thinking? Can a created creature read ignorant sinning we did in our thoughts only, but it didn't become actions? Sure a created creature can see transgressions of the law. And a created creature can see transgression of the law, we didn't know ourselves that we committed.
And you failed to mention my other studies
So there are sin-offerings NOT unto death? Why is that?
spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htm Do you read studies on this ? Obviously not...
How come you are not serious to learn about sinning or missing ?
There are sinning we do that are not unto death, hence do not require an attorney's attention at all, assuming you think Jesus requires one....
Ignorant missing I do is not accounted as sinning.
I am not sure how far to push what sinnings are not unto death, because it depends upon you and Jesus and its a relationship thing between you, how willing Jesus is to cover over your sinnings when you are living in His grace.
But my point it this again has nothing to do with a prosecuting attorney.
Salvation is based on relationships, not judging humans all the time whether they are sinning or not. You are way off course. What a terrible religion you support. If you walk in relationship to Jesus, doing amanuah in Him, you have nothing to fear, even if you sin a sin-offering NOT unto death.
You seem to think we walk alone with God, and GOD alone judges your sins.... but my religion is based on the face we walk with God all the time, and some of us walk in a saving relationship to Jesus, a special arrangement of grace and kindness on behalf of the Father, so our sinning and our sinlessness is monitored and forgiven on a daily basis, it's a relationship between you and GOD, nothing to do with angels, who do look on and record things as I am assuming they do, but the relationship is fixed entirely on God and God alone. You hold his hand and you are straight. If you don't hold His hand you become crooked. Simple. What is a prosecuting attorney for...when you loose you hand in His hand, is plain before God all the time?
SO what is judgement for ? Simple . Transgressions of God unchangeable laws of love. For wicked people, who refuse to go anywhere near God. Once you no longer hold the hand of God and thus you walk alone (except for God granting you life on probation) your walking off track comes under the direct condemnation of the royal law, the ten commandments. But you mock and say God doesn't uphold His own law... I would disagree.
All matter is subject to natural law, and all RA behaviour is also subject to moral laws as well, but only if the matter has any sense of accountability (humans have) , than it is judged.
Than there is this function angels do, nothing about prosecuting people for their wickedness:
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
What is this scroll for? Wicked people who do good deeds?
SO how about answering the discussion, with Bible references, rather than your brevity, 'cause that means you have nothing...to say...
You are a saying in your love relationship with your wife, you hire special spies to investigate daily if she is faithful to you in every aspect of her words and deeds. What kind of love is that? A tyrant pathological manioc that is what....your relationship is based on love, trust and faith....not behavioural controls of one prosecuting every single thing you do wrong.
I quote from Messanic email Jews on the unchanging nature of God's law:-
On the Passover, less than a day before His death, Yeshua held up the Cup of Redemption and said, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you." (Luke 22:20) Under the strength of this covenant, our sins are forgiven and remembered no more. (Isaiah 43:25) But does this new-found freedom in Messiah give us a license to sin, forsaking the standards set forth in God's law? The Jewish Rabbi Sha'ul (apostle Paul) answers this question with a resounding chas v'chalilah! (God forbid!) "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Romans 6:1–2)
Picture : An Orthodox Jewish man prays at the Western (Wailing) Wall. While Yeshua has paid the price for our sins and the resulting curse of the law, and we can abide in God's love through faith, the New Covenant in no way nullifies our call to walk in holiness. He has set us free from slavery to sin and we need no longer serve that evil master, suffering the curses of the law. Neither do we need to serve God in fear of punishment; rather, we are now free to enjoy the relationship promised in this Torah portion. He walks among us, and we are His people who serve Him out of love, devotion, and gratitude for all He has done for us.
Rob" So the Jews claim the royal law is uphold even by Jesus.
Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Gently restore him, asking wisdom, not prosecute him, for his missing...
Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
Edify to gain your brother, not make his down because of his sins
James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
Again edify and redeem the person who sins, not judge and prosecute him
Romans 2: Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
Having a creature prosecute us would cause the creature to be prosecute, doing the same things. Your reasoning is wrong....nobody can judge except GOD alone.
Revelation 14:5 And in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.
And yet if these special people are blameless why do they experience tribulation
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. What they are doing completely
Re 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
DO battle on earth? Why? to kill and tempt the blameless ones to sin, that's why.
Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
I can see why you think this way for "kategoreo" is also a prosecutor in court, but it is also one who finds faults in others. Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Here Jews seek to accuse Jesus of not upholding the law for adulteries, the very ones who brought her to Him should also be stones with her for the sin of adultery.
Ro 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
The "most common prosecutor" we have is writing our conscience of the HS, who with our thoughts gets us to not sin, using the law written in our hearts.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 27, 2022 21:46:37 GMT -5
D" Job was a sinner – and Hebrew satan job is to accuse him of it Sure a created creature can see transgressions of the law. And a created creature can see transgression of the law, we didn't know ourselves that we committed.
And you failed to mention my other studies You just want to play a word chain so you can deny scripture NOT INTERESTED
How come you are not serious to learn about sinning or missing ? STOP IT or GO AWAY – I refused to be judged by you - Christian
But my point it this again has nothing to do with a prosecuting attorney. Absolutely agree – the prosecutor is an angel of the Lord in service to the lord And he has nothing to do with – the Beast of Revelation – the serpent – we call devils and satanas
You seem to think we walk alone with God, and GOD alone judges your sins.... but my religion is based on the face we walk with God all the time, Then why can you repeatedly bear false witness here in front of your Lord?
Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
I can see why you think this way for "kategoreo" is also a prosecutor in court, but it is also one who finds faults in others. Then why can you repeatedly bear false witness here in front of your Lord? I tire of your tongue twisting
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 16:53:07 GMT -5
D" NOT INTERESTED STOP IT or GO AWAY I tire of your tongue twisting
Enjoy your day Dave.
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Post by Dave on May 28, 2022 19:25:21 GMT -5
Why can you repeatedly bear false witness here in front of your Lord?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 4:07:12 GMT -5
D" Why can you repeatedly bear false witness here in front of your Lord?
R" I fail to see how a prosecuting attorney can help in the process of the Lord Jesus in saving humans from sinning, when Jesus personally applies his grace and mercy upon us, that many of our missing and sin-offering are NOT unto death. Obviously from the sinners point of view, under Jesus care, not every sin we do is worthy of death, so what point or need is there for a prosecuting attorney?
You failed to answer my question, as simple as it is, and my logic is based on the salvation process found in scripture.
God does not sit up there marking off every sin you do and holding them against you, thus requiring a prosecuting attorney for this task as well. It makes God into a nit picking legalistic tyrant, rather than a loving God who covers a multitude of sins.
1Pe 4:8 .... for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
SO obviously once you are saved by Jesus, your sins do not always get you into trouble. Jesus is kind and gracious, not willing for any to perish.
But you stick to your prosecuting angel idea, that really has nothing to do with this personal relationship of salvation between you and Jesus, our Saviour. Not only is it personal, it is also private. Do you understand this even?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 29, 2022 4:39:29 GMT -5
D" Why can you repeatedly bear false witness here in front of your Lord? R" I fail to see how a prosecuting attorney can help in the process of the Lord Jesus in saving humans from sinning, What kind of statement is this? Why do you refuse to represent me accurately?
You have a problem with the truth - Christian
God does not sit up there marking off every sin you do and holding them against you, thus requiring a prosecuting attorney for this task as well. It makes God into a nit picking legalistic tyrant, rather than a loving God who covers a multitude of sins. Deny Zec 3 – deny ahl/OT – deny the word of God
SO obviously once you are saved by Jesus, your sins do not always get you into trouble. LIE
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 5:55:40 GMT -5
OK than brother Dave
what is this verse talking about than
1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
SO obviously once you are saved by Jesus, your sins do not always get you into trouble. SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 29, 2022 6:23:59 GMT -5
SO obviously once you are saved by Jesus, your sins do not always get you into trouble.
DUH
Obviously Grace was always a part of God – ignorance of the law Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
If you make vow to God to be vegan – and stop – you are breaking your vow to God
Read your Bible – stop trying to rewrite to fit your doctrine
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 16:57:59 GMT -5
Your post seem to lack edifiying my post, do you agree or not agree
1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
SO obviously once you are saved by Jesus, your sins do not always get you into trouble.
DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death?
D"stop trying to rewrite to fit your doctrine R" Who said I am, I read Scripture and do what it says
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 29, 2022 19:31:47 GMT -5
D"stop trying to rewrite to fit your doctrine R" Who said I am, I read Scripture and do what it says DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death?
1Jn 5:16 ᾿Εάν τις ἴδῃ τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ ἁμαρτάνοντα ἁμαρτίαν μὴ πρὸς θάνατον, αἰτήσει, καὶ δώσει αὐτῷ ζωήν, τοῖς ἁμαρτάνουσι μὴ πρὸς θάνατον. ἔστιν ἁμαρτία πρὸς θάνατον· οὐ περὶ ἐκείνης λέγω ἵνα ἐρωτήσῃ.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin (G264) a sin (G266) which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin (G264) not unto death. There is a sin (G266) unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
G264 - ἁμαρτάνω - Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.
G264 - ἁμαρτάνω - Thayer Definition: 1) to be without a share in 2) to miss the mark 3) to err, be mistaken 4) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong 5) to wander from the law of God, violate God’s law, sin Part of Speech: verb A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313
G266 - ἁμαρτία - From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).
G266 - ἁμαρτία Thayer Definition: 1) equivalent to 264 1a) to be without a share in 1b) to miss the mark 1c) to err, be mistaken 1d) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour,to do or go wrong 1e) to wander from the law of God, violate God’s law, sin 2) that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act 3) collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many Part of Speech: noun feminine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G264
If any man see his brother sin (G264) a sin (G266) If any man verb the noun –
that sin (G266) not unto death. That noun not unto death
Seems very easy and straight forward
DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death? I have no idea what your talking about
DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death? I have no idea what your talking about
(google) What does Korban mean in Hebrew? The term Korban primarily refers to sacrificial offerings given from humans to God for the purpose of doing homage, winning favor, or securing pardon.
(google) What is the Hebrew word for sacrifice? The Hebrew term usually translated "sacrifice" is korban. Korban literally means "drawing near".
A Hebrew Sin Offering – which has ZERO / NADA /NOTHING to do with 1 Jn 5:16 Jewish Practices & Rituals: Sacrifices and Offerings (Karbanot) The word "Karbanot" is usually translated as "sacrifices" or "offerings"; however, both of these terms suggest a loss of something or a giving up of something, and although that is certainly a part of the ritual, that is not at all the literal meaning of the Hebrew word. The word Karbanot comes from the root Qof-Resh-Bet, which means "to draw near," and indicates the primary purpose of offerings: to draw us near to G-d.
To draw near – personal relationship
Parts of the rituals involved in the offering of Karbanot were performed exclusively by the kohanim (priests). These rituals were only performed in the Temple in Jerusalem.
Temple sacrifices – is only one small part
The procedures could not be performed by anyone else, and could not be performed in any other place. Because the Temple no longer exists, we can no longer offer Karbanot.
If you are near the temple – what do you do – you Korbats – you act like a Christian
There are three basic concepts underlying Karbanot. The first the aspect of giving. A korban requires the renunciation of something that belongs to the person making the offering.
Jewish REPENTANCE
Thus, sacrifices are made from domestic animals, not wild animals (because wild animals do not belong to anyone). Likewise, offerings of food are ordinarily in the form of flour or meal, which requires substantial work to prepare.
Another important concept is the element of substitution. …
Rabbi Singer's point – NO OTHER MAN – (human sacrifice) can substitute
The third important concept is the idea coming closer. The essence of sacrifice is to bring a person closer to G-d.
To draw near – personal relationship – brings us closer to God
Sacrifices were stopped after the Temple's destruction because the Torah specifically commands Jews not to offer sacrifices just anywhere; they are only permitted in the place that G-d has chosen for that purpose. It would be a sin to offer sacrifices in any other location.
Animal sacrifices have stopped – no longer necessary – meaning Animal sacrifices were never necessary – it was always a substitution ritual – that brought them closer to God
Purposes of Karbanot Contrary to popular belief, the purpose of Karbanot is not simply to obtain forgiveness from sin. Although many Karbanot have the effect of expiating sins, there are many other purposes for bringing Karbanot, and the expiatory effect is often incidental, and is subject to significant limitations.
Certain Karbanot are brought purely for the purpose of communing with G-d and becoming closer to Him. Others are brought for the purpose of expressing thanks to G-d, love or gratitude. Others are used to cleanse a person of ritual impurity (which does not necessarily have anything to do with sin). And yes, many Karbanot are brought for purposes of atonement.
The atoning aspect of Karbanot is carefully circumscribed. For the most part, Karbanot only expiate unintentional sins, that is, sins committed because a person forgot that this thing was a sin. No atonement is needed for violations committed under duress or through lack of knowledge, and for the most part, Karbanot cannot atone for a malicious, deliberate sin. In addition, Karbanot have no expiating effect unless the person making the offering sincerely repents his or her actions before making the offering, and makes restitution to any person who was harmed by the violation.
Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
Types of Karbanot There are many different types of Karbanot, and the laws related to them are detailed and complicated. Olah: Burnt Offering
Perhaps the best-known class of offerings is the burnt offering. It was the oldest and commonest sacrifice, and represented submission to G-d's will.
Zevach Sh'lamim: Peace Offering A peace offering is an offering expressing thanks or gratitude to G-d for His bounties and mercies.
Chatat: Sin Offering A sin offering is an offering to atone for and purge a sin. It is an expression of sorrow for the error and a desire to be reconciled with G-d. The Hebrew term for this type of offering is chatat, from the word chayt, meaning "missing the mark." A chatat could only be offered for unintentional sins committed through carelessness, not for intentional, malicious sins. The size of the offering varied according to the nature of the sin and the financial means of the sinner. Some chatatot are individual and some are communal. Communal offerings represent the interdependence of the community, and the fact that we are all responsible for each others' sins. A few special chatatot could not be eaten, but for the most part, for the average person's personal sin, the chatat was eaten by the kohanim.
Asham: Guilt Offering A guilt offering is an offering to atone for sins of stealing things from the altar, for when you are not sure whether you have committed a sin or what sin you have committed, or for breach of trust.
Food and Drink Offerings A meal offering (minchah) represented the devotion of the fruits of man's work to G-d, because it was not a natural product, but something created through man's effort. A representative piece of the offering was burnt on the fire of the altar, but the rest was eaten by the kohanim.
Jewish welfare to the poor – a community pot luck
There are also offerings of undiluted wine, referred to as nesekh. YES – this includes STRONG DRINK
Parah Adumah: The Red Heifer The ritual of the red heifer (in Hebrew, parah adumah) is part of one of the most mysterious rituals described in the Torah. The purpose of this ritual is to purify people from the defilement caused by contact with the dead.
DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death?
I have no idea what your talking about
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 17:09:28 GMT -5
Rp " DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death?D" I have no idea what your talking aboutR" Wow !!!! DO you understand what a sacrifice for sin-offering was for? Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. Why was Abram the old Father of a SON of Promise (not founded literally using biology) told to do this sacrifice? What did it symbolize? and Why was it required for sins? Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Who is this ONLY SON that is pierced and that Israel looked to GOD because of this event? Why was the piercing of this ONLY SON necessary? Le 4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: 3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. Why must sins we do (even priests) have to bring a sin-offering, which was usually an animal...? Le 4:6 And the priest shall dip his finger in the blood, and sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuary. The blood is sprinkled before the curtain, and once a year sprinkled inside the curtain, over the mercy seat where GOD seats Himself. Why did this SIN-OFFERING symbolize? Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Here is explained why Jesus died, to destroy the power of death, which Satan holds. Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. HUmans are subject to death, because we have sinned, but lets not forget the mischief maker who caused mischief to the compassion-centre process of procreation. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, To give life for life, requires your death. And thus the penalty for sinning is death, the termination of your life. Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. So the mischief has to make her fruit within her die (depart from her), to experience this life for life penalty. If the serpent gets Eve to sin, a symbol of the "mother of living" , after Eve sins the HS covering shrinks around her causing her to be naked. Hence the fruit has departed from her, and so mischief has occurred, the children born from Eve are destined to die, as God had said. The Law says one has to die to redeem those who have to die. And there is also an exchange between the mischief maker who caused this death and the life giver who dies for the atonement of the one who has to die. This function is played out on the Day of Atonement. Jesus died for death we humans are forced to die, because of sin and mischief from the mischief maker. And after we have experienced this exchange of our dying for Jesus living, Jesus than places the penalty of death upon the mischief maker and he dies for the sins. The process is required to get back children who are born dying, through the fault of the mischief maker and through the one sin of Adam and Eve, tricked into sin by the serpent Satan. D" I have no idea what your talking aboutR" How about reading my study link? spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmI quote a little " If the believer in Christ walks closer and closer to Christ, there are no blackest darkness regions in your life, but only covered darkness regions, and they appear bigger and bigger. You feel like a chief of sinners, when in factyou no longer do any wilful sinning.
Just to clarify the Scripture analogy on this , umbra shadows cause eternal death. Pre-umbra shadows do not. While both are types of dysfunction, one shadow is caused by the closeness one is to Christ in obedience. The other is caused by willful disobedience, one who must naturally in a relationship, be far away from Christ.
1Jo 3:4 � Whosoever does a sin-offering does also the torah: for sin-offering ( is about) torah. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sin-offerings; and in him is no sin-offering. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
I also talk of a cross over point, which magnifying glasses have.... read about this.... Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 30, 2022 23:28:49 GMT -5
Your post seem to lack edifiying my post, do you agree or not agree 1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death? D"font color="#3219e6"]stop trying to rewrite scripture to fit your doctrine [/font] R" Who said I am, I read Scripture and do what it says[/quote] Rp "DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death? D" I have no idea what your talking about R" Wow !!!! DO you understand what a sacrifice for sin-offering was for?What does it have to do with 1 John 5:16Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer (H5927) him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. H5927 - ‛âlâh - A primitive root; to ascend, intransitively (be high) or active (mount); used in a great variety of senses, primary and secondary, literally and figuratively: - arise (up). (cause to) ascend up, at once, break [the day] (up), bring (up), (cause to) burn, carry up, cast up, + shew, climb (up), (cause to, make to) come (up), cut off, dawn, depart, exalt, excel, fall, fetch up, get up, (make to) go (away, up), grow (over), increase, lay, leap, levy, lift (self) up, light, [make] up, X mention, mount up, offer, make to pay, + perfect, prefer, put (on), raise, recover, restore, (make to) rise (up), scale, set (up), shoot forth (up), (begin to) spring (up), stir up, take away (up), work. H5930 - ‛ôlâh - Feminine active participle of H5927; a step or (collectively stairs, as ascending); usually a holocaust (as going up in smoke): - ascent, burnt offering (sacrifice), go up to. See What does it have to do with 1 John 5:16Le 4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: 3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. Why must sins we do (even priests) have to bring a sin-offering, which was usually an animal...? H2403 - chaṭṭâ'âh - From H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: - punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering). What does it have to do with 1 John 5:16D"I have no idea what your talking about What does it have to do with 1 John 5:161 John 5:16 - John Wesley This extends to things of the greatest importance. If any one see his brother - That is. any man. Sin a sin which is not unto death - That is, any sin but total apostasy from both the power and form of godliness. Let him ask, and God will give him life - Pardon and spiritual life, for that sinner. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for that - That is, let him not pray for it. A sin unto death may likewise mean, one which God has determined to punish with death. 1 John 5:16 - Adam Clark A sin which is not unto death - This is an extremely difficult passage, and has been variously interpreted. What is the sin not unto death, for which we should ask, and life shall be given to him that commits it? And what is the sin unto death, for which we should not pray? I shall note three of the chief opinions on this subject: - 1. It is supposed that there is here an allusion to a distinction in the Jewish law, where there was חטאה למיתה chattaah lemithah, “a sin unto death;” and חטאה לא למיתה chattaah lo lemithah, “a sin not unto death;” that is, 1. A sin, or transgression, to which the law had assigned the punishment of death; such as idolatry, incest, blasphemy, breach of the Sabbath, and the like. And 2. A sin not unto death, i.e. transgressions of ignorance, inadvertence, etc., and such is, in their own nature, appear to be comparatively light and trivial. That such distinctions did exist in the Jewish synagogue both Schoettgen and Carpzovius have proved. 2. By the sin not unto death, for which intercession might be made, and unto death, for which prayer might not be made, we are to understand transgressions of the civil law of a particular place, some of which must be punished with death, according to the statutes, the crime admitting of no pardon: others might be punished with death, but the magistrate had the power of commuting the punishments, i.e. of changing death into banishment, etc., for reasons that might appear to him satisfactory, or at the intercession of powerful friends. To intercede in the former case would be useless, because the law would not relax, therefore they need not pray for it; but intercession in the latter case might be prevalent, therefore they might pray; and if they did not, the person might suffer the punishment of death. This opinion, which has been advanced by Rosenmuller, intimates that men should feel for each other’s distresses, and use their influence in behalf of the wretched, nor ever abandon the unfortunate but where the case is utterly hopeless. 3. The sin unto death means a case of transgression, particularly of grievous backsliding from the life and power of godliness, which God determines to punish with temporal death, while at the same time he extends mercy to the penitent soul. The disobedient prophet, 1 Kings 13:1-32, is, on this interpretation, a case in point: many others occur in the history of the Church, and of every religious community. The sin not unto death is any sin which God does not choose thus to punish. This view of the subject is that taken by the late Rev. J. Wesley, in a sermon entitled, A Call to Backsliders. - Works, vol ii. page 239. I do not think the passage has any thing to do with what is termed the sin against the Holy Ghost; much less with the popish doctrine of purgatory; nor with sins committed before and after baptism, the former pardonable, the latter unpardonable, according to some of the fathers. Either of the last opinions (viz., 2 and 3) make a good sense; and the first (1) is not unlikely: the apostle may allude to some maxim or custom in the Jewish Church which is not now distinctly known. However, this we know, that any penitent may find mercy through Christ Jesus; for through him every kind of sin may be forgiven to man, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; which I have proved no man can now commit. See the note on Mat_12:31, Mat_12:39 (note).
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Post by Dave on May 31, 2022 6:59:52 GMT -5
Your post seem to lack edifiying my post, do you agree or not agree 1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. DO you agree this is what this verse by John teaches, a sin-offering NOT unto death? The words here are sin ( verb) – and sin (noun)
Sin or doing a sin – IS NEVER A SACRIFICE TO THE LORD
YOU PRAY TO THE WRONG GOD!If there are sacrifices to the Lord that are not unto death Which sacrifices to the Lord do cause death?I tire of you mocking Chrstianity and your word games with scripture
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