Talmud Demons and the Jinn

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Greetings Dave

In your reply you went off track.

I am not playing a word game, how else to you ascertain the meaning of Hebrew words, except we look at all the line upon line, and make a single English word fit every context.

Would you agree with this procedure?'

Not use translators, not use Strong's, but the meaning of the word comes from two things:

1) Polysemy is rare in Hebrew - this concept was invented later by man....slang
2) Words have a single basic meaning regardless of context.... Hebrew words are broad so some have a wide range of application, like the word "ashah" meaning "do".

Now I need only three verses to fix "satan" into a English meaning for all contexts. The first three contexts do this nicely.

(1) Nu 22:22 ¶ And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him

(2) Nu 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

(2 + helping 2) Nu 22:34 And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again.

Dave replies correctly "The angel of the Lord – opposed Balaam’s donkey's forward progress'
Dave replies correctly "YES – The angel of the Lord is a servant of the Lord OPPOSING Balaam’s donkey's forward progress


Rob replies "God is doing more than impeding the sinner. The sin is something GOD does not approve of.
Dave answers" YES God – BUT the the discussion is about the Angel of the Lord and his function here
The angel of the Lord stopped Balaam's donkey - So God could have a little talk with Balaam
Why do you see this as satan opposing God?
Everyone else on the planet recognises that satan here is in God's servive / God's employee
R" Now you are off track.

The angel was opposing Balaam’s donkey's forward progress

Correct.

D"BUT the the discussion is about the Angel of the Lord and his function here
R" Not quite,

(2) Nu 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

(2 + helping 2) Nu 22:34 And Balaam said unto the angel of the LORD, I have sinned; for I knew not that thou stoodest in the way against me: now therefore, if it displease thee, I will get me back again.

Baalam admits God opposed Him because he is missing God's power in his life. I am a sinner Baalim explains. So why does the angel oppose Baalim? Because Baalim is sinning, and would have cursed Israel instead of blessing Israel.

My question to you is, does sinning oppose God?

My answer is yes. God hates sinning, but loves the human because the human is a child of God. But God does not force his Will upon your will. Therefore God opposes the sinning in humans, whilst loving the human.

Does this make sense to you? Do you agree?

So the word "oppose/opposer" fits all the contexts.... do you agree?

(1) Nu 22:22 ¶ And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way "as an OPPOSER" against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him

(2) Nu 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to "OPPOSE" thee, because thy way is perverse before me:

Notice Jeff Benner agrees with me

2475) 2Y\ (2Y\ SThN) ac: Oppose co:
Opponent ab: Opposition: [from: Y\ -
turning]
V) 2Y\ (2Y\ S-ThN) — Oppose:
[df: NjV] [freq. 6] (vf: Paal) |kjv:
adversary, resist| {str: 7853}
Nm) 2Y\ (2Y\ S-ThN) —
Opponent: [df: NjV] [freq. 27] |kjv:
satan, adversary, withstand| {str:
7854}
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f1) )RYM\ ()RYM\ SYTh-NH) —
Opposition: [df: hnjV] [freq. 1]
|kjv: accusation| {str: 7855}

Jeff has the verb as "oppose" and the noun as "opponent"

Rob prefers the verb as "oppose" and the noun as "opposer". Opponent is essentially the same thing.


(3) 1Sa 29:4 .....lest in the battle he be an adversary to us: (KJV)
(3) 1Sa 29:4 .....lest in the battle he be an opponent to us: (BENNER)
(3) 1Sa 29:4 .....lest in the battle he be an opposer to us: (ROB)

At first you agreed with me, than you disagreed. You have to be consistent as Jeff Benner is.
This is the only Hebrew meaning "oppose/opponent".
Now you raised other questions, but first let's deal with the meaning of this word.



Shalom

[Dave]

Dave replies correctly "The angel of the Lord – opposed Balaam’s donkey's forward progress'
Dave replies correctly "YES – The angel of the Lord is a servant of the Lord OPPOSING Balaam’s donkey's forward progress
Rob replies "God is doing more than impeding the sinner. The sin is something GOD does not approve of.
Dave answers" YES God – BUT the discussion is about the Angel of the Lord and his function here
Everyone else on the planet recognizes that satan here is in God's service / God's employee
R" Now you are off track.

The angel was opposing Balaam’s donkey's forward progress - Correct.
D" the discussion is about the Angel of the Lord and his function here
R" Not quite,
Why have you changed the discussion – in the middle of the discussion?

My question to you is, does sinning oppose God? = OK
My answer is yes. God hates sinning, = OK
but loves the human because the human is a child of God. = OK
But God does not force his Will upon your will. = OK – unless God has predestined you for a purpose – reached down and uses you like tool
Therefore God opposes the sinning in humans, whilst loving the human. -OK
Does this make sense to you? Do you agree? - OK

So the word "oppose/opposer" fits all the contexts.... do you agree? - OK
Notice Jeff Benner agrees with me - OK
Rob prefers the verb as "oppose" and the noun as "opposer". Opponent is essentially the same thing. - OK
This is the only Hebrew meaning "oppose/opponent". - OK

Are you done with your word game now?
What do you call your opponent in a court of law = PROSECUTOR
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Dave replies correctly "The angel of the Lord – opposed Balaam’s donkey's forward progress'
Dave replies correctly "YES – The angel of the Lord is a servant of the Lord OPPOSING Balaam’s donkey's forward progress
Dave - the discussion is about the Angel of the Lord and his function here
Everyone else on the planet recognizes that satan here is in God's service / God's employee

Please read more than one verse at a time

Num 22:35 The angel of Adonai (your opposer) said to Balaam, “Go with the men, but speak only the word that I (your opposer) tell you.”

Num 22:38 “Look, I have come to you now!” Balaam said to Balak. “Can I just say anything? I must speak only the message which God puts into my mouth.”

Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

the word that I (your opposer) tell you.” = the message which God puts into my mouth

Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

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D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

R" It's very easy to evaluate the satan as opposing God, if there are any verses of the opposer doing sinning....

Jeff Benner says the serpent deceived (deception is a sin) the woman with the truth.

Notice Jesus called the chief shedim a father of lies, and a murderer, These are sins, are they not?

And this war in heaven causing the messengers to be kicked out.... why kicked out?
why not killed or their life terminated? If God is kind, maybe He gave them a second chance, and this is why earth got created with humans? Ever thought of that? God wanting to redeem the sinning angels on earth?

So sin is the easiest way to define satan as one who opposes God.
Numbers show angel opposing Baalim because he was sinning.
So if you find any sinning, you also find an opposer.

But you say the serpent did not sin, getting Eve to sin?
Doesn't the serpent negate God's words? Negation is a sin, isn't it?


D"What do you call your opponent in a court of law = PROSECUTOR

R" Yes correct, a special function of an opposer in a court room context.

Where is your verses that this Opposer is in a heavenly court prosecuting sinners with God looking on? There arn't any?

Lev 16 Day of Atonement, on earth never had investigation of sins using a prosecutor, nor is there any mention of God judging us with a prosecutor.

There is the opposer opposing God declaring some humans as saved. And God shuts the opposer down, because the Saviour saves sinners from sins.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.   Hardly the reaction of a judge to a prosecutor is it?

Obviously the opposer who loves sinning does not want humans to be saved.
Why is that? Because saving humans from earth, spells the end of the kingdom of Satan.

Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
(KJV)

Same idea here, the Greek term is also used in a court of law, to accuse.

But this does not mean the Satan is a prosecutor. God does not need a prosecutor, Scripture has nobody judging us, but God. Angels record things yes, but God is our judge and prosecutor, as well as our Saviour.

The easiest way to solve your dilemma is to ask does the opposer sin? And if the answer is yes, than the opposer is opposing God, as sinning by definition is opposing God.

[Dave]

D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?
R" It's very easy to evaluate the satan as opposing God, if there are any verses of the opposer doing sinning....

Your opposer angel – forced Balam to speak God’s word
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel,
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

Jeff Benner says the serpent deceived (deception is a sin) the woman with the truth.
Show my your scripture where deception is a lie – or a false witness
Eve was deceived with the TRUTH – because she did not understand

Notice Jesus called the chief shedim a father of lies,
Show me your scripture that a lie is a sin
Eve lied before the serpent
Abraham lied to Pharaoh
Isaac lied to Abimelech

and a murderer, These are sins, are they not?
YES – there is a commandment to man – not to murder
Please show me the commandments for the beast – other than go forth and multiply and reproduce after their own kind

God has forced all creatures to sin because they eat?

And this war in heaven causing the messengers to be kicked out.... why kicked out?
Because they are made with some matter – and think about matter (self) and do not belong in heaven
Oil and water do not mix – they are always divided

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

why not killed or their life terminated?
Because they were created By God for God (Col 1:16)
Everything was creates for God’s pleasure (Rev 4:11)

If God is kind, maybe He gave them a second chance, and this is why earth got created with humans? Ever thought of that?
I have often said – our witness it to the whole world
Speaking in tongues – might be directed at the invisible entities all around us
You rejected my cosmology with a passion – how very wrong was I
Now you suggest it yourself
Why – a conversation with you is tiring – you cannot decide what it is you believe

So sin is the easiest way to define satan as one who opposes God.
Numbers show angel opposing Baalim because he was sinning.
So if you find any sinning, you also find an opposer.
And your oppose angel forced Baalam to go and speak only GOD’S WORD
Why do you deliberately avoid reading all of the passage

But you say the serpent did not sin, getting Eve to sin?
Doesn't the serpent negate God's words? Negation is a sin, isn't it?
God said you will die + die
Why do you reject the promise of Eternal Life – it is the point of Christianity

D"What do you call your opponent in a court of law = PROSECUTOR
R" Yes correct, a special function of an opposer in a court room context.
Where is your verses that this Opposer is in a heavenly court prosecuting sinners with God looking on? There arn't any?
Zec – chapter 3 – the very definition of the theology

Lev 16 Day of Atonement, on earth never had investigation of sins using a prosecutor, nor is there any mention of God judging us with a prosecutor.

Obviously the opposer who loves sinning does not want humans to be saved.
Why is that? Because saving humans from earth, spells the end of the kingdom of Satan.

OR scripture is correct and says
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

OR scripture is correct and says – life is hard – man against world – man against archon
God’s Plan – God’s Will

Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The Beast = the accuser of our brethren = man
Where is your scripture that your satan opposes God

The easiest way to solve your dilemma is to ask does the opposer sin?
Your opposer angel – forced Balam to speak God’s word
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel,
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

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D: Your opposer angel – forced Balam to speak God’s word
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?
R" Because of the sin context.

Nu 22:20 And God came unto Balaam at night,

God talks to a sinning prophet

Nu 22:22 God's angry rises and opposes the donkey on the road

Nu 22:32 I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:


Again the angel is talking about a sin context.

2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

So the Opposer (in this case GOD) is opposing the sinning attitude of this sinning prophet and forces him to bless rather than curse Israel.

Does this make sense to you?
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2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel,
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

R"Why was God angry over David?

2Sa 24:10 ¶ And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

So GOD is opposing David because he is doing sinning by numbering armies in Israel.
Why did this sinning influence come from in David? From the agent who promotes sinning. You assume GOD influences us to sin, but God never tempts anybody to sin, so this opposer causes us to do sinning because the opposer does sinning himself all the time.

1Ch 21:1 ¶ And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Is there any proof of of this creature promoting sinning?

Yes

1Ki 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

If a human wishes to do some sinning, God asks for the opposer to take over ruling over him, so the sinning the human desires comes to pass.
Being a lying medium (spirit) is proof the medium also sins, getting the humans to sin.

D" Show my your scripture where deception is a lie – or a false witness
Eve was deceived with the TRUTH – because she did not understand
R" Benner says the sinning pair would eat of the tree of life and while sinned live forever in sin. This is a false proclamation on his part because God had consequences for sin and this results in bearing banned from the tree of life. I notice the sinning angels haven't died yet?

The easiest false witness is here

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Now Benner says the Hebrew has slightly different statements, but the one Satan speaks has a "negation" in it, the word "not".

The fact is they did die, parts died immediately, other parts died slowly, but true to God's word they died .

D"Show me your scripture that a lie is a sin
Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
And judgments of this

Ex 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Ex 23:1 ¶ Thou shalt not raise a false report:

Ex 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

3 Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause.

Lying is a false witness, a false report, telling the truth in a deceptive manner is a sin.

D"YES – there is a commandment to man – not to murder
Please show me the commandments for the beast – other than go forth and multiply and reproduce after their own kind
R" You seem to claim the royal law is only for man, these laws were written by the finger of God twice. They are special directions about how to love.
If a creature love or hates, than by definition they have to be obeying these laws, which are universal.

I see cats love their family, love also love, so do all animals love, despite the ra in our world.


Otherwise GOD has not universal laws for love and his creatures creatures.

Worse than this you think man is the only creature with free will, whatever that means?
I have tried to show you all creatures have cognitive intelligence to do things in love.

SOme poetry similes are hard to fathom

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

What is a precious stone a simile of?
What are these stones of fire?

These are things the guardian angel had to guard?

Jos 7:24 And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all

Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
Stones and fire and judgement arising from this event of sinning.

1Ki 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God

Stones and fire and judgement arising from this event of sinning of following Baal, the people followed self and idols of self, in these false gods.

Ps 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.

Hmm?

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

I suspect the stones of fire are the royal laws of God that define sin, cause judgement and causes God to destroy those who trample upon these stones of fire.

The foundation of God Himself are these stones of fire, that define sin or uphold love, and thus judgement over those who do missing.

D"God has forced all creatures to sin because they eat?
R" All creatures in the edenic world were herbivores.
Plants do not die if eaten.


D"Speaking in tongues – might be directed at the invisible entities all around us
R" If that is so, the speaking should follow grammar rules of language, not gibberish as it does.


D"Why do you deliberately avoid reading all of the passage
R" brevity Dave again? what?

D"Why do you reject the promise of Eternal Life – it is the point of Christianity
R" OH so the Satan knew God would save them, even if they sinned, so that is why Satan spoke what he did.... what a cope out...

D"Zec – chapter 3 – the very definition of the theology
R" OK where is the court room scene, it's a high priest scene, no court room?



D"Where is your scripture that your satan opposes God
1) Asking Jesus to worship him is a sin, weather speaking to Jesus humanity or divinity or both, it is a sin to ask a creature to worship you as a creature. So if we have a sin arising from something, the opposer is promoting sin, thus the opposer is opposing God....simple.

2) Another example

Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

To devour a child as soon as its born is also a sin
So the beast is promoting sin
The beast is therefore opposing God. simple.


3) Another example

Re 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
no place found for them.... in heaven....
Why? sin is the opposite of love.

So these angels were different to the angels of love.

No place found for them, because of their sinning.

Its easy to see what the opposer opposes by asking is it a context of sinning. If sin is involved than the opposer is opposing God, because God opposes sinning too.
The opposer of God does not oppose sinning, he likes sinning, and by sinning I mean, he likes to destroy all of God's creation, rape, torture, murder, cruel, those sort of things....

Shalom

[Dave]

D: Your opposer angel – forced Balam to speak God’s word
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?
So the Opposer (in this case GOD) is opposing the sinning attitude of this sinning prophet and forces him to bless rather than curse Israel.

Does this make sense to you?
Please explain your dribble – God is satan – and God oppose Himself
Therefore God is RA – evil and sinning – because He is opposing
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2Sa 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,
1Ch 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel,
D"Why do you see this as satan opposing God?

So GOD is opposing David
IS GOD SATAN OR DID GOD SEND AN ANGEL OF THE LORD TO DO THE TASK

1Ch 21:1 ¶ And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
Is there any proof of of this creature promoting sinning?
IS GOD SATAN OR DID GOD SEND AN ANGEL OF THE LORD TO DO THE TASK
Why do declare God a sinner
And why do you say it is a sin to obey God and help facilitate His will on earth

1Ki 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And why do you say it is a sin to obey God and help facilitate His will on earth

D"Show me your scripture that a lie is a sin
Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Invent any definition that fits your doctrine
It is a reference to judgment – context

D"YES – there is a commandment to man – not to murder
Please show me the commandments for the beast – other than go forth and multiply and reproduce after their own kind
R" You seem to claim the royal law is only for man,

Why does your God force the animals to sin in order to go forth and multiply

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D" Please explain your dribble – God is satan – and God oppose Himself
Therefore God is RA – evil and sinning – because He is opposing
R" Are you dull? God always opposes sin in all his creatures who do sinning. Just so happens the noun word in Hebrew is a sinning agent who was the first to do sinning, and thus term hey-satan in Hebrew, the hey meaning the picture "behold the being" who opposes.

Can't you figure this out? or do you love twisting words?

D"So GOD is opposing David
R" No God is opposing the sinning in David, not opposing David, God loves and created David, but also opposes the sinning David does.

Can't you figure this out? or do you love twisting words?

D"And why do you say it is a sin to obey God and help facilitate His will on earth
R" SO your saying a sinning angel is OK to be sinning because GOD allows the angel to do the sinning to facilitate God's will? This violates the laws of GOD, God is not ever going to transgress His own laws, because He is God. God has to uphold his own laws, and thus be a loving and sinless judge Himself, ie set a standard of perfection.

And to set a standard of perfection, requires immutable, unchanging moral laws. Duh
That even God would never transgress either.

If you see bad things God seems to turn a blind eye to, or maybe permits, we have to ask what's going on? Some things are hard to explain, I agree. The commandment says no wounding, doesn't say you cannot terminate their living, if you have given them long enough to choose God.

God would never ask an angel who also has free will to choose God, to go and kill somebody.

God is not mocked, a man reaps what he sows, so if you choose not to have God in your life for that hour, God has to allow some other elohiym power to take charge.

There has to be other elohiym powers opposing God or else it wouldn't be in the royal torah.

D"It is a reference to judgment – context
R" You think? so it's OK to lie according to you? bear false witness to anybody you meet.

D"Why does your God force the animals to sin in order to go forth and multiply
R" He didn't, they were originally all herbivore.

Shalom

[Dave]

D"So GOD is opposing David
R" No God is opposing the sinning in David, not opposing David, God loves and created David, but also opposes the sinning David does.
REPEAT - IS GOD SATAN OR DID GOD SEND AN ANGEL OF THE LORD TO DO THE TASK
Why do declare God a sinner
And why do you say it is a sin to obey God and help facilitate His will on earth

D"And why do you say it is a sin to obey God and help facilitate His will on earth
R" SO your saying a sinning angel is OK to be sinning because GOD allows the angel to do the sinning to facilitate God's will?
YES – I want to know why you teach it a sin and evil to obey God?

God would never ask an angel who also has free will to choose God, to go and kill somebody.
So God never sent the angel of death upon Egypt? (Ex 12)
Proof angels have no Free Will
Why do you have to deny scripture to make your doctrine correct

D"It is a reference to judgment – context
R" You think? so it's OK to lie according to you? bear false witness to anybody you meet.
You mix the terms together so you can spread your ignorance
Grow up – use a dictionary – or go away

D"Why does your God force the animals to sin in order to go forth and multiply
R" He didn't, they were originally all herbivore.
OH – so it is another creator that forces them to sin now
And why I so tire of your satan worship!

[Dillon]

D"D"show me a scripture where the BEAST disobeys God
R Re 12:4 beast will "devour her child as soon as it was born"

R" SO it's OK to kill a born baby?
R God would never ask an angel who also has free will to choose God, to go and kill somebody.
R What kind of God do you serve?

D So God never sent the angel of death upon Egypt? (Ex 12)
D Proof angels have no Free Will
D Why do you have to deny scripture to make your doctrine correct

1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

R What kind of God do you serve?

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of Israel. The God of the Old Testament.

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1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Interesting Dillion, and this means what exactly to you about the GOD of Abram and Isaac that you follow?

Another question

Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Amalek is the same as Amorites?

I quote" The discrepancy supposed to exist between Deuteronomy 1:44 and Numbers 14:45 is explained by the circumstance that the terms "Amorites" and "Amalekites" are used synonymously for the "Canaanites." In the same way we explain the fact that the "Hivites" of Genesis 34:2 are the "Amorites" of 48:22.


So was does not yet full mean?

SHalom

[Dave]

God would never ask an angel who also has free will to choose God, to go and kill somebody.
So God never sent the angel of death upon Egypt? (Ex 12)
Proof angels have no Free Will
Why do you have to deny scripture to make your doctrine correct

Dillon posts "
1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

Interesting Dillion, and this means what exactly to you about the GOD of Abram and Isaac that you follow?

It means you do not know or understand the ahl/OT or the God of Israel

[Dillon]

Interesting Dillion, and this means what exactly to you about the GOD of Abram and Isaac that you follow?

Another question
Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Amalek is the same as Amorites?

I do not claim to know anything. I am not a bible thumper. I am just a Christian. I admit I do not know my bible well and I don’t even attend a church regularly. But I have known Dave a long while now. Not because of church, but just because of life.

What does the story of the old testament mean to me?
All of us are born with the full knowledge and understanding of God and the world. Deep inside of us, we all know the truth. Of all the people on the planet Abram lived the torah. This is why God chose him. For what reason did God choose him? To bless all the nations of the world by showing the world the one true God. The God of Israel. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

I admit to you that I believe both of these statements.

What did the Exodus prove to the world? Who were greater the gods’ of Egypt and there multitude of population, or the few called Israel and their God?

What did the Jericho prove to the world? Who were greater the Nephilim and their multitude of population, and walls of stone, or the few called Israel and their God?

What did Jesus Christ prove to the world? Who were greater the other gods of man and their multitude of population, and armies of steel, or the few called Israel and their God?

So was does not yet full mean?
In each and every battel, the enemy has full opportunity to prepare, so the odds are always overwhelming, to prove who is the one true God, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who is the Christ, the one and only creator and savior.

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Greetings Dillon,

Each person is judged by the light they receive by the conscience of the HS living in you, and you answer well. May you listen to the voice of GOD via the HS in your conscience and continue to walk with Jesus using the power of His words, a process we term faith.

I used to close my eyes and ask God to show me a prayer promise of faith for today, open them to Scripture and read that prayer power from out of Scripture.

spiritualsprings.org/ss-76.htm

It is claimed there are over 3,000 seed promises of prayer power in Scripture. These SEEDS of power germinate quickly from my personal experience. Some Seeds of Prayer Power bear fruit more slowly, like years. Some more quickly like a matter of seconds. Sowing SEED promises, as a child, can be fun and most rewarding; making Jesus smile at our experimenting with His power.

My first and faviourite prayer promise

Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

This was one of my first Seeds claimed in Jesus Name through prayer. I remember asking Jesus to wake me at 4:00am. Sure enough I woke with my eyes seeing the clock very close to 4:00am. Than I asked for other times to see if Jesus would wake me at other specific times, He always did.

I am currently training myself to claim more obvious wonders from Jesus, but Jesus says I need to develop more prayer with fasting.

Jesus words are seeds, they come with germinating power.

Shalom my friend