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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2022 5:43:33 GMT -5
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of Gnosis falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
Why would Gnostic Paul write so badly about Gnosis? Something is wrong with your idea of Paul? OF course you teach Paul wrote against himself, James, John, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas Something is wrong with your word game of the word Gnosis?
How do you know Paul was a Gnostic? Just because some letters of Paul survive that seem to have Gnostic material in them? How do you know they were written by Paul? BECAUSE HE IS LISTED ON THE ROMAN INDEX – along with the writings of James, John, Phillip, and Thomas Because there are multiple works of Paul placed upon the Index Have you read the 3rd or 4th epistle from Paul to Corinth? Also on the Roman Index is all the works of Erasmus – the author of your received text
I mean if the White estate published some letters written by Mrs White that seemed contrary to everything else she wrote about, "Houston we have a problem". I would reject the latter writings, as a deception We have a SDA sect that rejects all published books of Ellen White, except for the 1870 editions, Now that is an extreme sect.
That is the problem with cults – so many factions and divisions – all designed to confuse and divide
The first thing one must do is compare latter writings against the Moses teachings. Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture and she has you believing that satan is a god She denies Isreal and the future prophesies within scripture
I’ll just stick with Judaism 101 and its Messiah who gave us the Gospel Then I do not have to deny any scripture – or rewrite any scripture to bend it to my doctrine
Why do you feel the need to replace Christianity with yet another layer of religion?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 15:19:21 GMT -5
D"That is the problem with cults – so many factions and divisions – all designed to confuse and divide
R" Isn't this what you are doing? Establishing a sect on your own? There are (I was surprised) over 55 churches that keep the Seventh Day Sabbath holy. I consider this the only one of the ten commandments that distinguish different religions from the false to the true. Most religions guard 9 of the commandments but feel to honour the Catholic Roman Edit as you say, correctly.
Of those 55 religions, how many are doing the Lord's command, to go into all the world, unto all tribes and nations, preaching the world of God?
Why are there different factions? Because the opposing elohiym power (which you agree with me exists) does not want humans to be saved.
I never did get you to agree what makes this elohiym power an opposing power? Isn't it because it does sinning daily against God? Do you agree sinning is the only thing that makes us oppose God?
Sinning does 4 main things against God. ( the same idea of the ANcient CHinese)
1) It develops pride, so we become an opposing elohiym power 2) It makes its own covering, so we no longer mourn for the covering we have lost, ie the HS around us who brings us GOD 3) It makes our words of power empty, unlike God who is almighty with words, and thus we become less meek, and more presumptuous 4) And we become selfish, rather than share. Once a week on Ceasing Day we are to share God with others, but instead we boast, and seek rewards from men.
This is what sinning does. The shedim are proud powers, The shedim make the world into a covering of success The shedim speak worlds of vanity, they make you into movie stars, but only promise a short time of glory The shedim practice self and selfishness.
I find sinning opposes God. We are to be humble, mournful, meek and sharing. Not proud, smug, presumptuous and selfish.
D"Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture
R" I have been through this with you, no she does not contradict science, nor scripture.
You never did go though my testing of her word meanings. I used Jeff Benner as my judge. What is the probability of a person using the correct Hebrew meanings, if that person never wrote Hebrew herself?
Take the word amanuah for instance, "faith" is a terrible translation. Sure she uses the common translations, so as not to disrupt the value of Scriptures to little child, but she is the only person who knows the real meaning of amanuah, so did the LXX, but only for one verse.
I have tested her using Jeff Benner for over 30 words of Hebrew.
Here is a new one of mine. The Hebrew word for father is "ab". It think the word is a closer meaning to "provider". Does our Hebrew translator expound on this idea?
1) Child Guidance, p. 58.5 (Ellen Gould White) Our heavenly Father provides for them; but they must gather the food, they …
2) Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White, p. 237.2 (Ellen Gould White) … loving heavenly Father has ever maintained communication with the human family. Through the ministry of holy angels, He has provided for men and women protection …
3) Colporteur Ministry, p. 114.1 (Ellen Gould White) … —Our heavenly Father has a thousand ways to provide for us of which we know nothing.
How uncanny is this? If you want to suggest a Hebrew word meaning Jeff Benner or yourself recommend, let's test her English against the Hebrew. I mean what is the probability that a person unknown to Hebrew writes the correct meanings?
Testing science is hard, like your coal idea, based on the past etc.
My idea is to test her word meanings, based on current present tense.
And you have reminded me how two people have different opinions of Scripture. SO I use this method because it is very objective.
D"I’ll just stick with Judaism 101 and its Messiah who gave us the Gospel
R I see, so you support the Jewish torah do you and obey all the 613 commands? Including the Seventh Day Sabbath?
I got this Messanic message today"
I quote " The mezuzah is a wonderful way to make our decision to follow God public knowledge. It reminds us of the Covenant we each have with the God of Israel. This is the God whom we serve. When we affix the mezuzah, we rededicate ourselves, our homes, and our families to the Lord. There on the doorpost for all to see, it proudly bears witness that we are a full-fledged member of the holy set-apart community of Believers who believe in the Word of God. Please pray for the Jewish people, that the mezuzah on the doorposts of their homes will be a meaningful reminder to love God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength. And please pray that it does not become just an amulet that they touch and kiss for the sake of religious tradition and looking “religious” in the eyes of others."
SO one thing I will see should I visit your home on the door post is, the mezuzah, and inside contains the torah portion of God's protection.
I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony.
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You often say I deny the HS.
I have been training myself to reach higher levels of Gods grace within me. But the voice of God to me, I need fervent prayer and fasting.
Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So my question to you is, this speaking in other languages, from heaven, have the people done fervent prayer and fasting first, before achieving this higher level of God's grace?
Often in my prayers God does not grant an act of amanuah as God could and I ask why? The answer I get is pride or presumption. One has to learn more humility and meekness. Do you understand these things? Your advice would be nice. Walking in a deeper level of Jesus' spirit, is a difficult thing, as you can read of my experience, but I am training myself to achieve this.
Now these things are not rituals nor ceremonies of formalism, they are things I do to achieve a closer walk with Jesus and thus get a deeper communion of His spirit.
This is the kind of thing David prayed for in Ps 51, its a special creative act of the HS, to give us a pure spirit of GOD.
Desire of Ages, a book by Ellen White speaks of Jesus like no other book on earth I know, and many Jews comment on how Hebrew it is.
If you have any advice in achieving this training, I will listen, but over the years you speak of Gnosis, something that is nebulous in my view. It's not about knowledge (daath) but about intimacy (yada), getting a personal connection to Jesus. When Paul met Jesus as a dazzling blinding light, he got the connection. When Peter betrayed the Lord Jesus three times, He realized what He had lost.
I find it strange that pioneers and Ellen White did fasting and prayer in the early days of our church, but today the SDA have lost this , and many also have lost reading Ellen White these days. In fact it seems to me many people world wide are so confused, that few understand, and have lost Jesus.
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 3:47:01 GMT -5
D"That is the problem with cults – so many factions and divisions – all designed to confuse and divide
R" Isn't this what you are doing? Establishing a sect on your own? My personal goal is to be a DISCIPLE of Christ - as were the Disciples of Christ – as were the followers of Jesus Christ – as were the Apostles of Christ – as were those amazing Christians at Pentecost – as were those amazing First Christians of the Book of Acts
Today – as there has always been for 5000 years – there are 2 basic types of Jews Sadducees – guardians of the Law - authors of the Oral Law (Talmud) – focus upon the Law Pharisees – Teachers of the Torah – authors of the Kabbalah – spiritual Jews
THE CONTEXT was First Century Israel THE CONTEXT was First Century Jewish Theology The First Century First Christians were Messianic Jews All of the Disciples were Messianic Jews Their theology was 100% Jewish theology + the Messiah
Today – as there has always been for 5000 years – there are 2 basic types Messianic Jews – somewhat more orthodox practice Jews for Jesus – liberal Christians that were once Jewish
Christians today are delusional
Jesus Christ was born into the most repressive society on the planet The Greeks (Alexander) the Meads (Seludians) and not the Romans COULD NOT RULE ISRAEL – this is the inter-testament period
Alexander – banned the religion and the language slaughtered pigs in the temple to Tammuz The Maccabean Rebellion – and the Introduction of Resurrection The Maccabean Rebellion – and the Introduction of a REDEDICATION OF THE TEMPLE – Chanukah
Christians today are delusional Jesus Christ was born into the most repressive society on the planet NO Jews has an original Hebrew Torah – the best = 1080AD Leningrad Russia NO Christian has an original anything – the best = by way of Egypt and Greek No historian has any history for this time period that is NOT pro-Roman
Irenaeus began the INDEX as early as 180AD – then followed by others with the Roman system Irenaeus is called “DOCTOR of the CATHOLIC CHURCH”
THE ROMAN EDIT UPON THE FAITH
The Greeks (Alexander) the Meads (Seludians) and not the Romans COULD NOT RULE ISRAEL – why – because the Jews already have a King and a constitution
Valentinus taught – 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – church fillers 3- spiritual - Pentecostal – church leaders
Catholicism calls Valentinus a Gnostic – and teaches 1- the lost - heathen 2- believers – church fillers – dependent upon the church and its priest
3- spiritual - Pentecostal – church leaders
THE ROMAN EDIT UPON THE FAITH – Christianity survived as a pro-state population control mechanism to unite the kingdom
Why are there different factions? Because the opposing elohiym power (which you agree with me exists) does not want humans to be saved. I never did get you to agree what makes this elohiym power an opposing power? Isn't it because it does sinning daily against God? Do you agree sinning is the only thing that makes us oppose God?
Here is why I will not agree with your view – you are too satan focused – as in malevolent and malicious – and your need to oppose god is just Ellen White satan teaching
Why are there different factions? My Answer = 99.9% man = (yester ra) – SLICK WILLY – con-man 101 – can make million – tax free and be popular doing it
Is the Beast at play – sure – greed – lust – desire Does the Beast have to help man be selfish and greedy – NO
For 99.9% of the troubles in the WORLD is man vrs man – over selfish lust – greed - and power For 99.9% of our troubles – The beast laughs at us for making his job so easy Is the Beast at play – sure – greed – lust – desire Does the Beast have to help man be selfish and greedy – NO -------------------
Is the Beast at play – sure – just ask Job Does the beast rule all men as some evil force – NO BUT – the Beast can touch people personally – just ask Job
Example – The angel Mormon appears to a boy And within 25 years there are 3 million European immigrants moving to Utah
the beast touches one man – and the Jehovah’s Witness is born the beast touches one man – and the Unitarian Movement is born the beast touches one man – L Ron Hubbard – amazing example – Tom Cruze the beast touches one man – Harold camp – another Millerite type movement the beast touches one man – Reverend Jimmy Jones the beast touches one man – Creationist with wooden Arks as museams Creationist have done as much to harm the faith as Darwin ------------
Sinning does 4 main things against God. ( the same idea of the ANcient CHinese) 1) It develops pride, so we become an opposing elohiym power – Self (yester ra) 4) And we become selfish, rather than share. – What I said (yester ra)
Once a week on Ceasing Day we are to share God with others, but instead we boast, and seek rewards from men. SEE – I do not like your teaching – what is this once a week crap
This is what sinning does. The shedim are proud powers, The shedim make the world into a covering of success The shedim speak worlds of vanity, they make you into movie stars, but only promise a short time of glory The shedim practice self and selfishness. OK ---------
D"Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture R" I have been through this with you, no she does not contradict science, nor scripture.
You never did go though my testing of her word meanings I have tested her using Jeff Benner for over 30 words of Hebrew. D"Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture
D"I’ll just stick with Judaism 101 and its Messiah who gave us the Gospel R I see, so you support the Jewish torah do you and obey all the 613 commands? Including the Seventh Day Sabbath? All the 613 commandments are not for today – dispensation I am a New Testament Christian Every day is a Sabbath
I got this Messanic message today"
I quote " The mezuzah is a wonderful way to make our decision to follow God public knowledge. It reminds us of the Covenant we each have with the God of Israel. … Please pray for the Jewish people, that the mezuzah on the doorposts of their homes will be a meaningful reminder to love God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Christian mezuzah is called a Crucifix and Christians dangle it from their necks I am married to a Filipino – every one of them has the Last Supper hanging on their dining room wall I have been in so many homes with a picture of Jesus on the wall I live in Hispanic country – a lot of people have old bathtubs standing upright in the yard with a Madonna in it
SO one thing I will see should I visit your home on the door post is, the mezuzah, and inside contains the torah portion of God's protection. We have two houses – one in town and one in the country The house in town is my wife’s domain – you will know you are in a Christian home by what you will see The house in the country is my domain – my office space – you would be overwhelmed with my desk and library
I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony. If you knew your Torah as a Jew – you would understand more where these ideas come from and how they are used
Hat – why 1- Exodus 25? – if you are going to teach wear a Miter – pointy cat Christian – we are all called to teach Jer 5? – we cover our heads – to cover our same before the lord
Is it mandated – no – we do it because we choose to please the lord by following scripture Amish man said to me once = the brim of his hat is a reminder he is overshadowed by a higher power His mezuzah I love walking into a new church with my hat on - they all look at me funny Then I take my hat off to expose my yamaka and suddenly – I am more orthodox than them It is a amazing transition – and a stupid THING
If you want to study the Law – lets go – start a new thread Most of them are designed for the survival of the tribe A lot of them are about their theocracy – how to run a government Many of the most stupid and bazar requirements were for the temple priest Many of them deal with Korbats – not sacrifice Only a few of them are hard to understand
New testament Gnostic Paul was a tent maker It is a rare Christian that understand this to mean he made prayer shawls – with tities I wear one a part of my parade – rarely I thought I would use it more at home – but I sort of use in in spurts Why call it a tent – because it is a ‘port-a-temple’ – a private hidden place where it is just you and the Lord
Is it required – NO – why is it tradition Because – in the wilderness all they had was God and His Tent – closing yourself off from the out courtyard and its distractions – to wrap yourself in the tent you are entering the inner sanctum with God – one on one
I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony.
I am off line and away from my desk (in my car actually) but Mezuzah = marking your doorpost as in Passover
Tradition - Tefalin - is it scriptural – YES – and/or maybe Scripture says – put the word of God on your foreheads so you don’t forget it --------------
You often say I deny the HS.
I have been training myself to reach higher levels of Gods grace within me. But the voice of God to me, I need fervent prayer and fasting.
Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So my question to you is, this speaking in other languages, from heaven, have the people done fervent prayer and fasting first, before achieving this higher level of God's grace?
Easy Answer – NO Paul hated Jesus when he started doe that road to Damascus God can reach down and USE anyone he wants – to facilitate God’s Will on earth
William Tyndale – priest for decades - translated a New Testament into English Admitted from prison before his death – he never really understood until God touched him in the night
St. Francis of Assis – if you do not know his story – you should buy his bio today Freak – weirdo – possessed – healed with the touch – met face to face with Soldhine and lived - died crazy speaking in lounges
So my question to you is, this speaking in other languages, from heaven, have the people done fervent prayer and fasting first, before achieving this higher level of God's grace?
Easy Answer – NO – you cannot earn it it is always a gift – and when it happens you will remember
speaking in other languages Dave’s impression – I know some folk that I greatly admire – there are a few prophetic people around that I admire – visions and messages are on the INCREASE
I attended a Pentecostal group for a while – there was a day in Utah when I almost took the calling to come up to have hands laid upon me
I rate the group much like a see the UFO phenomena There is some truth there – and a whole bunch of (yester ra) wrapped up in religion The only thing wrong with the group is the same thing wrong with all the groups – there way = their only way – if you can’t you don’t fit in – only generates pretenders -------------
Often in my prayers God does not grant an act of amanuah as God could and I ask why? The answer I get is pride or presumption. One has to learn more humility and meekness. Do you understand these things? Your advice would be nice. Walking in a deeper level of Jesus' spirit, is a difficult thing, as you can read of my experience, but I am training myself to achieve this.
Since you asked – I will be blunt Your Ellen White version of Christianity is an abomination – it has stunted your spiritual growth – because you are not spiritual – you mock the entire concept
You suffer from lack of overview Meaning you do not understand the Word of God as a whole You are a lazy Christian just most are – we read the parts that interest us – the parts that support our views
All I can do is give you my own witness 1974 – I experienced a demon The vocabulary was not around yet – today I would testify as experiencing a “Shadow Person” 2002 – I am TRYING to be a good Christian – on the church board June Hill – credible witness – worked hard for the church experienced a “Shadow Person” “Church” sent her to a ‘shrink’ – mental health professional
“church “ did NOT have any answers for her or for me If you admit you saw something – you end up with the UFO crowd I have met 2 people in my life that I do not doubt One of them threw their business and career out the window and lost her home The other was a granddaughter of a major player in the 1947 Roswell crash
I will never doubt someone who says – they saw something
My wife will swear she and 6 other girls saw ‘ghost’ in Mindanao Philippines Smack in Muslim country
I will never doubt someone who says – they saw something For me – I am a spirit believer
2005 – October 6th – around midnight – I listened to an interview with Dr J. Marvin Herndon BOOM – I did not sleep for 3 days – could not stop writing Every time I stopped – I had to return to say something else
My life changed – and for 6 months or more I was on fire My web-site – my Theory – the beginning of the ThD process and my first Book – which is my Doctoral Thesis
2010 I bought my first Nag Hammadi However – to be honest – I don’t think my real conversion happened until 2012/13 I was working for medical-traveler.gov - and took my family to an Indian Reservation Again – I met some really interesting people – spirit believers – all of them One patient was sick for years – until excised – never to retune as a patient One of my staff – Indian girl swore she saw little people in her house as a child Her brother and sister all said the same thing After the children left home – Mom saw them
Back to my personal confession 1974 I experienced a demon – I have felt more haunted then blessed YES – my manic depressive nature – fueled my anxiety I tried to be a Christian – yet was Horney all the time Tried to walk the walk – but couldn’t – GUILT TRIP
As a manic I tried too hard – only to fail miserably
Even in 2012 - I always wondered – other people say they experience angels and god Not my experience – why am I different - do I have a personal demon?
Nag Hammadi archon are simply Jewish shedim They are not Catholic satan – they are a bother – a nuisance – a hindrance EXPOSE THEM and tell them to piss off
Not my experience – why am I different - do I have a personal demon? YES – because I am Job Has my life been NICE – no I am Job AM I CURSED – NO – I AM BLESSED – because I am Job
I once saw my mania as a cures with demons – but in it all I realize how much I have been blessed I am NOT dead – that’s a miracle – I would not be ME today – if I wasn’t the me of my youth and my mistakes
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
I would like to think – my life witness to my sisters has been effective – as well as my children ------------------- Now these things are not rituals nor ceremonies of formalism, they are things I do to achieve a closer walk with Jesus and thus get a deeper communion of His spirit. If you have any advice in achieving this training, I will listen,
Again – to be blunt – you can be the best Jehovah’s Witness as you can be – I will worry of your salvation Please look up – self-fulfilling prophesies You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual – to be Born Again is a myth – Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot be Yet – you seek it
but over the years you speak of Gnosis, something that is nebulous in my view. It's not about knowledge (daath) but about intimacy (yada), getting a personal connection to Jesus. When Paul met Jesus as a dazzling blinding light, he got the connection.
In the morning Paul had a belief system – he had faith in his system When he – got the connection – all his beliefs changed into the FACT of first hand knowledge Paul gnosis the Lord as a FACT
that is nebulous in my view. Again – you deny the spirit – you have no spirituality
3 types of Christians 1- the lost – pretenders – Christ will say never knew you 2- believers – saved by faith – proportional punishment unto Pardon 3- Spiritual – FACT – Gnosis – Divine Pardon – Born Again – First Fruits
When Peter betrayed the Lord Jesus three times, He realized what He had lost. Peter did not lose anything – he was convicted by his own (yeater tov) that he was guilty
I find it strange that pioneers and Ellen White did fasting and prayer in the early days of our church
Fasting – many benefits – all across the board Recommended by – Yoga – Hinduism – Daoism – Buddhism – Islam – Judaism and Christianity Fact – it cleanse toxins from your body
Fact – when your body thinks it is starving – and your blood sugars drop really low – a meditative state can become hallucinogenic – A fast is required for Iawaska – and for Peyote
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 16:02:27 GMT -5
D" My personal goal is to be a DISCIPLE of Christ - as were the Disciples of Christ – as were the followers of Jesus Christ – as were the Apostles of Christ – as were those amazing Christians at Pentecost – as were those amazing First Christians of the Book of Acts
R" Same goal as mine
D"Here is why I will not agree with your view R" SO you agree the shedim is an opposing elohiym power, but you will not agree the shedim is a sinning power?
Please explain your problem?
D"For 99.9% of the troubles in the WORLD is man vrs man – over selfish lust – greed - and power For 99.9% of our troubles – The beast laughs at us for making his job so easy Is the Beast at play – sure – greed – lust – desire Does the Beast have to help man be selfish and greedy – NO R" you sure beat around the bush, how about just answering my question. The question is , is the shedim a sinning power, which is why it is an opposing elohiym power in the first place?
D" SEE – I do not like your teaching – what is this once a week crap R" OK scholar, what is Sabbath (Ceasing Day) for, and what do we actually cease from? Rob post " This is what sinning does. The shedim are proud powers, The shedim make the world into a covering of success The shedim speak worlds of vanity, they make you into movie stars, but only promise a short time of glory The shedim practice self and selfishness. Dave replies" OK SO have you agreed the shedim is a sinning power, and this is why it is viewed by God as an opposing elohiym power?
D"All the 613 commandments are not for today – dispensation I am a New Testament Christian Every day is a Sabbath R" Really Scripture please, Where is your Scripture? I do not even light a fire on Sabbath to cook food, the torah says not to.
Not sure I would place i quote " The practice of affixing a mezuzah to the doorpost of one’s home has remained remarkably consistent even after thousands of years of history. The mezuzah, in fact, is to be affixed to a new home or apartment as soon as possible, usually within 30 days of someone moving in. The affixation is a dedication to God as a means of sanctifying the dwelling place with the Word of God. The mezuzah is held to the spot where it will be affixed, and the following blessing is recited: Barukh atah Adonai Eloheinu melekh ha‘olam, asher kideshanu bemitzvotav vetzivanu likboa‘ mezuzah. Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, Who sanctified us with His mitzvot, and commanded us to affix a mezuzah."
This is what Mrs WHite calls legal religion, human invent customs, that cause formalism. You say Ellen White is anti Jew. She is not.
I quote"
They connected it with their own merit because of their good works. The faith that works by love and purifies the soul could find no place for union with the religion of the Pharisees, made up of ceremonies and the injunctions of men. The effort to unite the teachings of Jesus with the established religion would be vain. A legal religion can never lead souls to Christ; for it is a loveless, Christless religion. Fasting or prayer that is actuated by a self-justifying spirit is an abomination in the sight of God. The solemn assembly for worship, the round of religious ceremonies, the external humiliation, the imposing sacrifice, proclaim that the doer of these things regards himself as righteous, and as entitled to heaven; but it is all a deception. Our own works can never purchase salvation.... Man must be emptied of self before he can be, in the fullest sense, a believer in Jesus. When self is renounced, then the Lord can make man a new creature. New bottles can contain the new wine. The love of Christ will animate the believer with new life. In him who looks unto the Author and Finisher of our faith the character of Christ will be manifest
Rob asks" Now where is the anti Jewish ideas here? She is only talking about formalism and legalism, which is also common in the SDA church too.
D"If you want to study the Law – lets go – start a new thread R" Not necessary, you don't even consider the royal torah as absolute law.
RP" I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony. D" I am off line and away from my desk (in my car actually) but Mezuzah = marking your doorpost as in Passover R" I would like SDA to observe feasts but generally we don't, I fear it would become more legalism. People are funny creatures, give them a task and they forget its meaning.
D" Easy Answer – NO – you cannot earn it it is always a gift – and when it happens you will remember R" If it's a gift why do Penetcostals promote is so much?
Does it make the people humble and meek? D"1974 – I experienced a demon R" I have relatives in the family also experienced this, they do drugs ( hard and soft) and than the devil shows up. No different to your experience is it?
D"I will never doubt someone who says – they saw something R" I never doubt that either deceptions are real. But it is still a deception.
D" YES – my manic depressive nature – fueled my anxiety R" Where did this manic depressive nature come from? DO you follow a healthy lifestyle?
D"Nag Hammadi archon are simply Jewish shedim R" Really? I have not found this is be so, show me the Bible texts?
You are marrying two completely different books, the Hebrew with the Gnostic. They are not the same, one is Hebrew the other is more or less Greek origin, maybe older?
D" Please look up – self-fulfilling prophesies You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual – to be Born Again is a myth – Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot be Yet – you seek it R" Instead of mixing my view with your view, just explain to me how you serve your Father and how salvation comes to you, let me judge your pious post, so mocking my view and let me understand your view. You have never just discussed your view.
D" In the morning Paul had a belief system – he had faith in his system When he – got the connection – all his beliefs changed into the FACT of first hand knowledge Paul gnosis the Lord as a FACT R" OK but how did Paul achieve this? The physical Jesus came to Him in a vision....how many of us get an experience like this? Are we expected to ? no
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I fit into the latter, I support Jesus as real, though I have never seen him in vision.
D"Fasting – many benefits – all across the board Recommended by – Yoga – Hinduism – Daoism – Buddhism – Islam – Judaism and Christianity Fact – it cleanse toxins from your body
Fact – when your body thinks it is starving – and your blood sugars drop really low – a meditative state can become hallucinogenic – A fast is required for Iawaska – and for Peyote
R" Hmm? I will post a few Ellen White quotes of fasting, and you tell me is She is not inspired of God or not.
I was referred to Romans 1:18-32, as a true description of the world previous to the second appearing of Christ. The only hope for those who practice vile habits is to forever leave them if they place any value upon health here, and salvation hereafter. When these habits have been indulged in for quite a length of time, it requires a determined effort to resist temptation, and refuse the corrupt indulgence. The Mr. -, mentioned, had practiced these habits so long he seemed to have lost the control of himself. He was naturally a smart man, possessing more than common abilities. But how were all his powers of body and mind brought into subjection by Satan, and consumed upon his altar! This man had gone so far he seemed to be left of God. He would go into the woods and spend days and nights in fasting and prayer that he might overcome this great sin, and then would return to his old habits. God did not hear his prayers. He asked God to do for him what had been in his power to do for himself. He had vowed to God, time and again, and had as often broken his vows, and given himself up to his own corrupt lust, until God had left him to work his own ruin. He has since died. He was a self-murderer. The purity of heaven will never be marred with his society. Those who destroy themselves by their own acts will never have eternal life. They that will continue to abuse the health and life given them of God in this world, would not make a right use of health and immortal life were it granted them in God's everlasting kingdom. The practice of secret habits surely destroys the vital forces of the system. All unnecessary vital action will be followed by corresponding depression. Among the young, the vital capital, the brain, is so severely taxed at an early age, that there is a deficiency, and great exhaustion, which leaves the system exposed to disease of various kinds. But the most common of these is consumption. None can live when their vital energies are used up. They must die. God hates everything impure, and his frown is upon all who give themselves up to gradual and sure decay.
2) Many expect that God will keep them from sickness merely because they ask him to do so. But the prayers of those who do not regard the laws of life, God cannot answer, because their faith is not made perfect by works. When we do all on our part to insure health, then we may expect that good results will follow, and we can ask God in faith to bless our efforts. And he will answer our prayer, if his name can be glorified thereby. But let all understand that they have a work to do. God will not work in a miraculous manner to preserve the health of persons who are, by their careless inattention to the laws of health, taking a sure course to make themselves sick. 3) Fasting and fervent prayer to God have moved the Lord to unlock His treasuries of truth to their understanding.— 4) The spirit of true fasting and prayer is the spirit which yields mind, heart, and will to God.—Manuscript 28, 1900 5) The true fasting which should be recommended to all, is abstinence from every stimulating kind of food, and the proper use of wholesome, simple food, which God has provided in abundance. Men need to think less about what they shall eat and drink of temporal food, and much more in regard to the food from heaven, that will give tone and vitality to the whole religious experience. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 22:16:47 GMT -5
D" My personal goal is to be a DISCIPLE of Christ - as were the Disciples of Christ – as were the followers of Jesus Christ – as were the Apostles of Christ – as were those amazing Christians at Pentecost – as were those amazing First Christians of the Book of Acts
R" Same goal as mine Then why do you work so hard to deny their theology and replace it with your Ellen White version of Catholicism
D"Here is why I will not agree with your view you will not agree the shedim is a sinning power? You refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey God The shedim / archon oppose man – God’s Will – God’s Plan – God’s scripture
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Please explain your problem? It is God’s Will – God’s Plan – why is it a sin to obey God? God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning God sent the angel of Death upon Egypt – you claim that angel was sinning God sent satan to force David to census – you claim it is a sin
D"All the 613 commandments are not for today – dispensation I am a New Testament Christian Every day is a Sabbath R" Really Scripture please, Where is your Scripture? I do not even light a fire on Sabbath to cook food, the torah says not to.
Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Rob asks" Now where is the anti Jewish ideas here? She is only talking about formalism and legalism, which is also common in the SDA church too. The Jews were wrong for rejecting Jesus - there is no reason they should even exist 1948 Israel is NOT prophetic - and all those Jewish End Times prophesies are not about the Jews You insist often - they do not know their own religion - language - or Torah
D"If you want to study the Law – lets go – start a new thread R" Not necessary, you don't even consider the royal torah as absolute law. (1) you do not want to know – afraid of the information (2) you refuse to answer why your Feel Good God of tov only kills and murders directly – and orders angels and man to kill and murder indirectly (3) you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey God
D" Easy Answer – NO – you cannot earn it it is always a gift – and when it happens you will remember R" If it's a gift why do Penetcostals promote is so much? Because it is the calling – we are not call just to follow – but call to a spiritual communion
Does it make the people humble and meek? If the Lord spoke to you – you would be on fire to witness to anyone that will listen
D"1974 – I experienced a demon R" I have relatives in the family also experienced this, they do drugs ( hard and soft) and than the devil shows up. No different to your experience is it? And you probably tell them that an evil satan has the power to take them to hell – so they better be scared – worried – concerned I once bought into that crap – stop being a victim
Drunk, stoned, or stupid – a demon is just a demon – it is just a shedim / archon It has NO POWER – all it can do is suggest Take that demon – fiery serpent and run it up a pole – and expose it for all to see And realize – it is just an obstacle to overcome
You are marrying two completely different books, the Hebrew with the (Nag Hammadi) Gnostic. They are not the same, They are the same – Hebrew demonology = The Beast and his archon Which is also the demonology of the Levant and all of the 99%
Roman Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine never existed until Rome invented it
one is Hebrew the other is more or less Greek origin, maybe older? – One is Hebrew King Solomon and The Nag Hammadi Gospels were written by James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
D" Please look up – self-fulfilling prophesies You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual – to be Born Again is a myth – Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot be Yet – you seek it R" Instead of mixing my view with your view, just explain to me how you serve your Father and how salvation comes to you, let me judge your pious post So inviting – you are NOT A FAULT FINDER – you just judge other pious post
D" In the morning Paul had a belief system – he had faith in his system When he – got the connection – all his beliefs changed into the FACT of first hand knowledge Paul gnosis the Lord as a FACT R" OK but how did Paul achieve this? The physical Jesus came to Him in a vision....how many of us get an experience like this? Are we expected to ? no
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I fit into the latter, I support Jesus as real, though I have never seen him in vision.
Correct – you are a believer preaching faith The problem with Ellen White Catholicism – is that you absolutely deny there is any more
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
Robert – Ellen White – preach only the Baptism of John The Disciple taught the baptism of the Holy Spirit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 11:47:43 GMT -5
D" God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning God sent the angel of Death upon Egypt – you claim that angel was sinning God sent satan to force David to census – you claim it is a sin The shedim / archon oppose man – God’s WillR" You agree that the shedim is an opposing elohiym power, now you backtrack and disagree?
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This is a royal torah ten commandment command, that had to have existed when Sabbath existed, before Adam was created, or close to created. Hence before Adam sinned there existed an opposing elohiym power, and it wasn't opposing mankind. The power was opposing God. Hence the law. You texts you post are not as powerful as the ten commandment law. The only thing I can think on in Scripture that causes a power to become an opposing elohiym power, is because this power is a sinning power, but you now deny that also. So you are denying the ten commandments now? ------------------ I note your Bible texts, are nice. Yes the ceremonial laws cease in Jesus, as he fufils them. Sacrifice precepts etc. However Jesus does not abolish or fulfil the royal torah, this is a standard defining love, and since God is love, such a standard is absolute and perfect and eternal. There has to be a defining of what love is how love is and what character GOD has. It also has to be that GOD Himself obeys His own character and thus the ten commandments are immutable, even to God Himself. Now I know you like to mock the strange act of Elohiym, I do not claim to have all the answers. It is prehaps you mock Scripture so, that you went looking for other Scriptures like Gnosticism to meet your own doubts in the inspired word of God. www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-nag-hammadi-codices/According to this Gnostic myth, the God of the Hebrew Bible is actually a corrupted lower deity. Only through the intervention of Sophia (Wisdom) can gnosis be revealed and salvation attained. Thus, while adherents of Gnostic Christianity certainly acknowledged the role of Jesus in their faith, their theology placed greater significance on the intellectual revelation of his message than on his crucifixion and resurrectionR" Explain this? Do you agree with what others say of your writings? Also among the Nag Hammadi texts was the fully preserved Gospel of Thomas, which does not follow the canonical Gospels in telling the story of Jesus’ birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection, but rather presents the reader with an early collection of Jesus’ sayings. Although this mystical text was originally believed to one of the early texts of Gnosticism, it now seems to reveal yet another strand of early Christianity.
Jesus says, “Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.” Jesus says, “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” These bizarre statements are two of the 114 sayings of Jesus found in the Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Thomas is a non-canonical collection of the sayings of Jesus reputed to have been dictated to the apostle Thomas. R" I like Firestone comment " It’s plain to see that this so called book of Thomas is a pseudepigrapha written by a counterfeit Christian or false representative. I truly believe that the chosen Apostles ie: Thomas and Phillip would not endeavour to write any form of doctrine without the divine intervention of Jesus Christ. The versified passages has no real substance which is contradictory to the original text and divine qualities of the Lord our Saviour. I refuse to believe that Jesus said: “When you undress without being ashamed and take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample on them, then you will see the son of the living one, and you will not be afraid.” (Thom 37:1-3). Whosoever wrote this garbage back in Egypt 1945 must be laughing all the way to the bank for doing Satan’s dirty work. You’ll regret it if you’ve convinced yourself that this book is legit or otherwise you’ve got something too hide by doing something corrupt? False Christs, false prophets, they’re everywhere and Jesus Christ saw them coming from a mile away ie: 2000 years ago. If you preach another gospel of Jesus Christ let him be accursed (Gal 1:6-9)" Rob" I find reading the Gospel of Thomas, plain garbage. Jesus did not talk in confusion and parables of rambling, as Thomas is suggested to have written. Jesus spoke plainly to His disciples and spoke in parables to others. D"Y ou insist often - they do not know their own religion - language - or TorahR" God has awaken me to write on this, at 2 am. Sure Jews have the inspired Hebrew manuscripts, they also have their own custom modern Hebrew they speak and write, with all their traditions of men, and the customs of men. Since I subscribe to Messanic Jews, I have learned much regarding the legalism and formalism of Jewish religion. There is plenty of formalism and legalism in the SDA church, so we should oppose this. This is the only thing we should oppose. Otherwise being a Hebrew means to have crossed over from the " world of self into the kingdom of God's love received by faith" (I choose these words intentionally). I love Jews and would dearly love to speak to some. You have armed me over the years with more respect for Jews, and I thank you for this insight. D" you do not want to know – afraid of the informationR" OK begin with my understanding of the torah rules. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1081.htmMake sure you read all three webpages spiritualsprings.org/ss-1370.htmThan read the application of God's descriptors of love spiritualsprings.org/ss-1086.htmFinally I present proof the NT commands of love is the same as the OT commands of love. As you go through the "Jesus' torah-teachings theme" be sure to read rules the modern SDA churches ignore. Now as you can see, I have studied this theme extensively. ----------------------- D" you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey GodR" can you rewrite your question, as I do not follow you? D" If the Lord spoke to you – you would be on fire to witness to anyone that will listenR" I am training myself to achieve more wonders in Jesus Name, yes when they day happens, if I am considered worthy of his special attention for this gift, my witnessing will be more powerful. Not all of us receive the same gifts of the HS. D "Drunk, stoned, or stupid – a demon is just a demon – it is just a shedim / archon It has NO POWER – all it can do is suggest Take that demon – fiery serpent and run it up a pole – and expose it for all to seeR" Hmm? The shedim are more powerful than you think. Our pet sinnings are no so easily removed. I have struggled with years to remove my own pet-sinnings, often inherited as propensities. I have only just realized how faith works and how faith gives us the victory over our sinnings. We have the power to overcome sinnings in the power of faith, claiming the prayer promises on His words. D" They are the same R" I beg to differ, the Gnostic writings were found in a rubbish dump, and under a stone, not your common places of respect. The sacred Hebrew torah, like mine for instance sits on my left hand on the desk, others are placed in my treasure chest in my room. They are valued. So others treated the Holy BIble the same.
D" One is Hebrew King Solomon R" Explain to me why a Holy God would come and reside in a building built by shedim, when David was not allowed to build the temple because he killed too much. God is holy, and TOV. He is not associated with sinning shedim. You deny that the shedim are sinning creatures. Let's consider what Jesus termed the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Jesus declared that the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, was a sinning power, DO y ou agree with this idea?D" You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual R" mock on, Man is spiritual we have the HS living in us and we have our own spirit the nashamah to develop as our own character. Why do you mock my words and my understanding? Ro 8:16 The HS itself beareth witness with our Nashamah, that we are the children of God: I do not deny the spirit. D" – to be Born Again is a myth – R" I do not deny the womb of the HS where man is created a second time as a biological recreation of the renewed man. Even the earth is renewed, not made brand new in Rev 20. When you get the second birth, we are renewed by the HS, not given a brand new spirit. However we are also given a brand new spirit, and this is the spirit if Jesus, our old nashamah must die and be buried with Jesus in the grave. SO the verse for the CHrsitian changes Ro 8:16 The HS itself beareth witness with our Nashamah of Jesus, that we are the children of God: You are not saved by your eternal spirit living in you from conception as you claim, otherwise you are denying the spirit, we are saved only when our spirit died and we take up the spirit of Jesus, which is received daily by faith. D" Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – R" The HS is not Jesus. Scriptures for your weird ideas? Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?I can understand your confusion though. The messenger of His presence saved them. Who is this? not a cherub, but Jesus the messenger of His Father. In his femaleness love He (Jesus) redeemed Israel. Does Jesus have femaleness love? Yes, all gender males do, but femaleness love is generally a trait of the feminine personality of love. This is explained further, Israel vexed the HS. Now you can claim the HS is the same as Jesus, the same expressions of the Father. But I do not see this view. Love is a circuit generated between components of the battery of love, it is a community, a relational concept. The Collector and the Responder are working as echad, and this love is flowing from the Provider. This is why the love is called "His holy Spirit" To understand this we need to answer the mystery, why is the breast masculine, and why is Shadday masculine and not feminine terms? Answer. The Provider provides the love, the responder receives that providing and becomes a provider of that love in another function. A Collector can do both providing and responding, and thus is a unique process of loving that a divine parent alone cannot do. D" the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot beR" I do not deny this either, the communion is nashamah to Jesus spirit, until you develop your own spirit, that is a clone of Jesus spirit, but not identical to. So the final process is Ro 8:16 The HS spirit itself beareth witness with our Nashamah spirit of Jesus spirit, that we are the children of God: I do not deny the communion of spirit D" Yet – you seek it, R" yes the process of recreating our spirit to be like Jesus spirit takes time, just as the development of the biological fetus took time, so the development of our renewed character takes time. A whole lifetime. D" So inviting – R" sorry I could write it better. I too am human full of terrible sinnings in my past, May the Lord have mercy on my soul. D" Correct – you are a believer preaching faithR" THis is the only condition of salvation. Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that amanuah. Heb 11:6 But without amanuah it is impossible to please him: ---------------------- I note you post verses about the baptizism of the HS I was baptized in 1980. Which means I publically entered in the womb of the HS. Which means I pray daily for development in the womb : Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.These verses describe in detail the process of the second birth. The process is creative. Or an engineering process. God develops and reshapes what is already present in us, we are renewed. Gerald has taught me there is a difference between Engineering and Formed. D" Ellen White – preach only the Baptism of JohnR" SDA people also have a praying of hands to receive additional gifts of the HS. We do not deny this, despite your limited understanding of the SDA faith. Please do not assume. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 14:55:55 GMT -5
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-nag-hammadi-codices/According to this Gnostic myth, the God of the Hebrew Bible is actually a corrupted lower deity. Only through the intervention of Sophia (Wisdom) can gnosis be revealed and salvation attained. Thus, while adherents of Gnostic Christianity certainly acknowledged the role of Jesus in their faith, their theology placed greater significance on the intellectual revelation of his message than on his crucifixion and resurrection R" Explain this? Do you agree with what others say of your writings?DO I AGREE WITH ROMAN SLANDER“According to this Gnostic myth, the God of the Hebrew Bible is actually a corrupted lower deity. Only through the intervention of Sophia (Wisdom) can gnosis be revealed and salvation attained.” NOT FROM THE NAG HAMMADI – NOT FROM JAMES, JOHN, PAUL, PETER, PHILLIP, or THOMASValentinus taught there are 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – saved → Proportional Punishment → purification → First resurrection 3- spiritual – Born Again → First Fruits → Divine PardonAlso among the Nag Hammadi texts was the fully preserved Gospel of Thomas, which does not follow the canonical Gospels in telling the story of Jesus’ birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection, but rather presents the reader with an early collection of Jesus’ sayings. Although this mystical text was originally believed to one of the early texts of Gnosticism, it now seems to reveal yet another strand of early Christianity. Correct – the 4 Gospels are called the ‘Synoptic Gospels’ – they are chronological birth to resurrection The “NON-SYNOPTIC” Gospels are in a different format – Called Gnostic Gospels They focus on the 40 days between Resurrection and AccentoinAct 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Jesus says, “Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.” Jesus says, “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” These bizarre statements are two of the 114 sayings of Jesus found in the Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Thomas is a non-canonical collection of the sayings of Jesus reputed to have been dictated to the apostle Thomas. The Gospel of Thomas5. Jesus said, "Recognize what is right in front of you, and that which is hidden from you will be revealed to you. Nothing hidden will fail to be displayed. [And there is nothing that is buried that will not be raised.] 6. His disciples questioned him: "Should we fast? In what way should we pray? "Should we give tocharity? From which foods should we abstain?" Jesus responded: "Do not lie. If there is something that you hate, do not do it, for everything is revealed beneath heaven. Nothing hidden will fail to be displayed. Nothing covered will remain undisclosed. 7. Jesus said, "Blessed is a lion that a man eats, because that lion will become human. Cursed is a man that a lion eats, because that lion will become human." Blessed is the BEAST that man eats – for it gives him life Cursed is the man that is eaten by the BEAST – allowing the Beast to possess man
Blessed is the ARCHON – than the man exposes Cursed is the man that the Archon consume – allowing evil in the form of man Poetry – poetry – poetry - you preach about Hebrew - but deny it when convienent114. Simon Peter said to them: Mary should leave us because women are not worthy of the life. Jesus responded, Look, I'll lead her in order to make her male so that she can become a living spirit like you males are. For each woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Women’s lib 101In the beginning – the man was responsible for his whole household Women’s’ lib – stand alone as a man – as the head of your own house – salvation is her responsibilityI also like 39a. Jesus said: The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys to knowledge and have hidden them. They did not go in and they did not permit those desiring to go in to enter. 53. His disciples asked him: "Is circumcision useful or not?" He replied: "If it were useful then they would be born already circumcised. On the other hand, true circumcision in the spirit is entirely beneficial.' 67. Jesus said: One who knows everything else but who does not know himself knows nothing. 68. Jesus said: Blessed are you when they hate and persecute you. No place will be found where they persecuted you. 69a. Jesus said: Blessed are those who have been persecuted within themselves. They have really come to know the father. R" I like Firestone comment " It’s plain to see that this so called book of Thomas is a pseudepigrapha written by a counterfeit Christian or false representative. I like the common sense of Mainstream ChristianityD"You insist often - they do not know their own religion - language - or Torah R" God has awaken me to write on this, at 2 am. Sure Jews have the inspired Hebrew manuscripts, they also have their own custom modern Hebrew I love Jews and would dearly love to speak to some. You have armed me over the years with more respect for Jews, and I thank you for this insight. You teach anyone who opposes God’s people opposes God Why do you oppose Jewish theology----------------------- D"you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey GodR" can you rewrite your question, as I do not follow you?D"God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning God sent the angel of Death upon Egypt – you claim that angel was sinning God sent satan to force David to census – you claim it is a sin The shedim / archon oppose man – God’s Will R" You agree that the shedim is an opposing elohiym power, now you backtrack and disagree?Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. YES Robert – men can pray to Caesar – even sacrifice to himIT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOD IN HEAVEN - he is just a created being pretending to be a god
You deny that the shedim are sinning creatures. Let's consider what Jesus termed the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Jesus declared that the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, was a sinning power, DO you agree with this idea?Where do you see the term sing power in your example verseJoh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. …Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death. Joh 8:44 … He was a murderer from the beginning, …Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 … Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Joh 8:44 … and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. ---------------- D"You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual R" mock on, Man is spiritual we have the HS living in us and we have our own spirit the nashamah to develop as our own character. Why do you mock my words and my understanding? THANK YOU FOR CHANGING YOUR OPINIOND" – to be Born Again is a myth – D" Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – R" The HS is not Jesus. Scriptures for your weird ideas? Now you can claim the HS is the same as Jesus, the same expressions of the Father. But I do not see this viewPlease identify your 3 seperate individual god from this passageExo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.” Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock. Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by. Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.” All I see = the Face that no man can see - the glory of God thay we can exparience - and the image odf God All I see is the unseen Father - the Spirit (Left hand) and the Image (Right hand) D"Correct – you are a believer preaching faith R" THis is the only condition of salvation.Correct – the only condition for salvation---------------------- I note you post verses about the baptizism of the HS I was baptized in 1980. D"Ellen White – preach only the Baptism of John R" SDA people also have a praying of hands to receive additional gifts of the HS. We do not deny this, despite your limited understanding of the SDA faith. Please do not assume. You have been mocking me for 3 year over the spirit of man and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit and communion spirit to spiritMan has no spirit of his own - when man dies - the only thing that returns to God is the HS with your memories - don't you remember your own Ellen White teaching to me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 17:15:16 GMT -5
D:An Analysis of the Most Striking and Embarrassing Statements ...https://truediscipleship.com › an-analysis-of-the-most-st... Ellen White's statement provoked instant controversy and stinging criticism of Ellen White in the 1860s forced church leaders to attempt to defend their .. I quote your link first"
An Analysis of the Most Shocking and Embarrassing Statements of Ellen G. White Editor’s Note: While this article is very beneficial in understanding the errors of Seventh Day Adventists, its inclusion on this website should not be viewed as an implicit or implied endorsement of everything contained herein. By D. Anderson
• Amalgamation – A Denominational Embarrassment — A statement appearing in 1864 indicates that “certain races of men” are a result of the “amalgamation of man and beast.” What is amalgamation? Which races are the product of amalgamation? Why was this statement removed from later publications of this book? Widely recognized as the most embarrassing statement penned by Sister White!
• Those Tall People of Jupiter — In her infamous “solar system” vision Mrs. White not only saw Jupiter as having only four moons, but she also saw it inhabited by “a tall, majestic people, so unlike the inhabitants of earth.” Is there evidence of life on Jupiter?
• Embarrassing Failed Prophecies — Over and over again, Mrs. White made specific predications about the return of Christ. Examine these prophecies for yourself.
Amalgamation
A Denominational Embarrassment
D. Anderson
Many Adventists agree that these statements are the most shocking ever penned by Ellen White:
But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere.
Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.
Rob" Until now I was confused over this, now it obviously refers to the GMO of both animals and humans by very smart people before the flood. We are repeating the same ideas. If you want to argue, pick something small, I have read Anderson's 450 pages of stuff before. it's all bunkum OK
D"God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning R" Why would God send Satan unto Job, when God declared JOb upright and complete, perfectly saved?
Who is driving who in JOb? The opposer is. Duh. God agrees because He knows JOb better than the opposer does.
D" IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOD IN HEAVEN
R" This command
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Was written before man even sinned, one the first day of Sabbath.
SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? And it was in heaven once, now ejected to earth, "war in heaven" remember? You agree it is an oposing power.
But you don't agree it is a sinning power?
Got nothing to do with man OK, this power existed before man.
D" Where do you see the term sinning power in your example verse? R" What are you dull, murderer from the beginning, a father of lies, no truth in him..... these are three examples of sins.
Now if you have an opposing power on earth, obviously the opposing power which is a sin loving power, is going to get humans to sin also...Duh
The sinning power will claim rulership over the humans who were once sinless and now are sinning like the sinning opposing power does. DOn't you get the Genesis sin temptation, why was the opposing power there? D" THANK YOU FOR CHANGING YOUR OPINION R" Thank you for allowing me to see ruwach and nashamah both used together in the same phrase, "breath of life" - I also point out the nashamah is not an eternal spirit, it lives as long as the ruwach lives with us. Only God is eternal. D" Exo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.” Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock. Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by. Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.”
All I see = the Face that no man can see - the glory of God thay we can exparience - and the image odf God All I see is the unseen Father - the Spirit (Left hand) and the Image (Right hand) Please identify your 3 seperate individual god from this passage R" OK
This is the rock that followed them, Jesus-YHWH. (NT quote)
Ex 33:21 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar>, Behold, there is a place <maqowm> by me, and thou shalt stand <natsab> upon a rock <tsuwr>:
Jesus is telling Moses to stand upon the Father rock, (you posted poetry poetry poetry, yes I do like poetry, even in Thomas) Ex 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory <kabowd>
Not sure of this word, but may reference the medium of the HS, to shield Moses from glory So I see a three fold function of Family powers passing before Moses, even here, when Jesus was in divine glory here. Ps 62:7 In God <'elohiym> is my salvation <yesha`> and my glory <kabowd>: the rock <tsuwr> of my strength Pr 11:16 ¶ A gracious woman retaineth honour:
Isa 66:11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
These verse help add to the meaning of kabowd.
D"Man has no spirit of his own - when man dies - the only thing that returns to God is the HS with your memories - don't you remember your own Ellen White teaching to me R" yes correct. WHEN IN partnership to God we are alive with our nashamah spirit, to develop spirit in us, with partnership.
When that partnership ends, the nashamah spirit ends too.
The ruwach returns to God with the memories of our nashamah.
And can resurrect us again with our nashamah at will.
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2022 5:28:50 GMT -5
D"God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning R" Why would God send Satan unto Job, when God declared JOb upright and complete, perfectly saved? DUH – because God test man
D" IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOD IN HEAVEN R" This command Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This verse does not make Caesar a god in heaven This does not make evolution a god in heaven This does not make science a god in heaven This does not make Emperor Ito a god in heaven This does not make – power – wealth – or fame gods in heaven
SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? And it was in heaven once, now ejected to earth, "war in heaven" remember? DUH –
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Rev 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to His throne. Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God so they might take care of her for 1,260 days. Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought, Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The Hypostasis of the Archons - NHL Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth.
You agree it is an oposing power. YES – the archon hinder man by sidetracking man with WORLD – so that man has no time to worship the Holy Spirit
But you don't agree it is a sinning power? The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind Gen 6 Archon are held in chains – Jude and Enoch + NHL These sinning ‘angels’ are to be released again in Rev 9 – to sting man for 5 months
D" Where do you see the term sinning power in your example verse? R" What are you dull, murderer God is a murder – and order others to murder – why do you call the Creator a sinning power
The sinning power will claim rulership over the humans who were once sinless and now are sinning like the sinning opposing power does. DOn't you get the Genesis sin temptation, why was the opposing power there? To test man to see if man would keep God’s mitzvah or not
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 16:52:44 GMT -5
D"DUH – because God test man R" God had allowed Satan to already test Job for years. God had declared Job complete, no further testing required. It was the opposer who disagreed.
Rob posted before" Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Dave agrees that this is an opposer R" SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? And it was in heaven once, now ejected to earth, "war in heaven" remember? D" DUH –
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Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. So the dragon is an opposing power. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
R" SO the dragon is thrown to earth along with his messengers.
Dave than goes to explain how the opposing power came to be
"Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus."
Dave uses verses outside of Scripture. The HS creates the dragon....
"and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion"
Rob" Not much in this sentence, what does this mean? Became
Dave quotes further "
"and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety"
R" Well , well, well, so the dragon is a sinning power after all. Dave is reluctant to say this, but it's quote here.
Dave further posts" And he contemplated creating offspring for himself,
Rob replies" Wow I never read the dragon is a creator. I see the word creating offspring here.
Funny Dave has an opposing power created by the HS, who becomes a sinning power and is able to create other copies of itself, being both male and female, this dragon is a creator opposing power, and I get all this directly from the writings of Gnosticism.
Dave adds" YES – the archon hinder man
Rob notes" SO Dave agrees the dragon is an opposing power
Rob asked " But you don't agree it is a sinning power?
Dave replies" The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind Gen 6 Archon are held in chains – Jude and Enoch + NHL These sinning ‘angels’ are to be released again in Rev 9 – to sting man for 5 months R" Wow, first you agree the Dragon is an opposing power
You also write the sinning angels are allowed to sting man sometimes
D"The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind R" It uses the word "created", the dragon created offspring.
Who is avoiding the word games here?
So now you do have "sinning angels" are they are allowed to sting mankind for a while?
I summarize your words you quoted
1) The dragon is an opposing elohiym power 2) The dragon was created by the HS functionally good 3) The dragon became dysfunctional 4) The dragon sinned 5) The dragon created offspring of itself 6) These sinning messengers and the dragon were cast out of heaven 7) Unto the earth the dragon and his offpring oppose God in heaven, because they are a sinning power.
Rob get all this from your Gnostic writings you posted.
Question" Show me a Jewish passage where Jews agree with all 7 points listed here, about this opposing power termed dragon/serpent.
Question" How is this any different to Ezekiel 28?
2) God created cherubs to be sinless 3) One cherub became dysfunctional 4) The cherub sinned 1) the Sinning cherub became an opposing power of the Fateher 5) The sinning angel convinced other angels to switch sides and join the sinning angels (did not need to create offspring) 6) These sinning messengers and the dragon were cast out of heaven (Rev 12) 7) Unto the earth the dragon and his offpring oppose God in heaven, because they are a sinning power. (Rev 12)
No difference , except you quote passages outside of Scripture.
Now explain to me how your dragon can create? That makes your opposing power a creating power? Or is this some fuzzy translation mistake?
If you followed Ezek 28 its the same view as yours. I would be interested in you proving your view of the dragon as a serpent, having all 7 points, is a Jewish view of the shedim?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 5:43:26 GMT -5
D"DUH – because God test man R" God had allowed Satan to already test Job for years. God had declared Job complete, no further testing required. Sorry Robert – every moment you are in a body of flesh – you are subject to desires of the flesh
Rob posted before" Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Dave agrees that this is an opposer YES the archon are our real struggle – Pasl Eph 6 YES – the archon are very real indeed
R" SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach
Isa 14:24 Adonai Tzva’ot has sworn, saying: “Surely, as I thought it, so it will be. As I have purposed, so it will stand. Isa 14:25 I will break Assyria in My land. On My mountains I will trample him. Then his yoke will be taken off them, his burden removed from their shoulder. Isa 14:26 This is the purpose planned for the whole earth, and this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations.” Isa 14:27 For Adonai-Tzva’ot has purposed, so who will annul it? Since His hand is stretched out, who will turn it back?
Isa 43:13 From eternity, I am He. None can deliver from My hand. I act, and who can reverse it?”
Jer 4:27 For thus says Adonai, “The whole land will be wasteland, yet I will not totally destroy it. Jer 4:28 Therefore, the earth will mourn and the heavens above grow black. For I have spoken, I have purposed, nor will I relent, nor turn from it.
Job 23:13 He is unchangeable, and who can change Him? Whatever His soul desires, He does.
No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach No one can change God Plan No one can act against God’s Will
No created creature ever changed its form and function against God’s Will then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach
Dave quotes Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. So the dragon is an opposing power. YES – ready to devour created things – entropy YES – opposing created things – opposing creation – opposing man No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. R" SO the dragon is thrown to earth along with his messengers. Dave than goes to explain how the opposing power came to be Dave uses verses outside of Scripture. Dave uses the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas – the men that walked and talked with Jesus Christ for at least 40 days after the resurrection and before the ascension
Act 1:3 To them He showed Himself to be alive after His suffering through many convincing proofs, appearing to them for forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.
The HS creates the dragon.... "and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion" Rob" Not much in this sentence, what does this mean? Became First and only thought was of SELF – not God Made with some matter – its first and only thought was of matter not God
Dave quotes further " "and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety" First and only thought was of SELF – not God Made with some matter – its first and only thought was of matter not God
R" Well , well, well, so the dragon is a sinning power after all. Dave is reluctant to say this, but it's quote here. YES - First and only thought was of SELF – not God Made with some matter – its first and only thought was of matter not God
Dave further posts" And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, Rob replies" Wow I never read the dragon is a creator. I see the word creating offspring here. Robert does not know the difference between creation and procreation
Dave adds" YES – the archon hinder man Rob notes" SO Dave agrees the dragon is an opposing power YES – the mission of the archon is to sidetrack man with world so man does not have the time to devote to the Holy Spirit
Rob asked " But you don't agree it is a sinning power? Dave replies" The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind Gen 6 Archon are held in chains – Jude and Enoch + NHL These sinning ‘angels’ are to be released again in Rev 9 – to sting man for 5 months R" Wow, first you agree the Dragon is an opposing power YES – the archon oppose man – and again in Rev 9
You also write the sinning angels are allowed to sting man sometimes I didn't say it – scripture does
Rev 9:1 Then the fifth angel trumpeted, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth. The key to the bottomless pit was given to him. Rev 9:2 He opened the pit, and smoke rose from the pit like the smoke of a gigantic furnace. The sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit. Rev 9:3 Then from the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given to them like the scorpions have power over the earth. Rev 9:4 They were told to do no harm to the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only the people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. Rev 9:5 And they were permitted not to kill them, but to torment them for five months—and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a person. Rev 9:6 In those days, people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.
They do as they are told They do as they are permitted They are allowed to torment man – but cannot kill you
D"The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind R" It uses the word "created", the dragon created offspring. Who is avoiding the word games here? Offspring = procreation of children
If you followed Ezek 28 its the same view as yours. I would be interested in you proving your view of the dragon as a serpent, having all 7 points, is a Jewish view of the shedim? Sorry Robert – if you are created as a cow – you are always just a cow If you are created as a man – you are just a man and you will always be a man If God created an angel – it is an angel
NO CREATURE EVER CHANED ITS FORM OR FUNCTION AGAINST GOD’s WILL THEN CHANGED GOD’s PLAN AGAINST GOD’s WILL No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach
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Post by Dillon on Jun 26, 2022 10:53:57 GMT -5
NO CREATURE EVER CHANED ITS FORM OR FUNCTION AGAINST GOD’s WILL THEN CHANGED GOD’s PLAN AGAINST GOD’s WILL No one can oppose God – what a ridicules doctrine you try to preach
This is my question for Robert, you teach that God is good and caring and loves mankind; why didn’t God introduce himself to the whole world, why did God only introduce himself to Israel, why didn’t god choose all the people of the whole world, why does your god hide himself from 99% of mankind?
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 13:03:30 GMT -5
This is my question for Robert, you teach that God is good and caring and loves mankind; why didn’t God introduce himself to the whole world, why did God only introduce himself to Israel, AMAZING QUESTION – cannot wait to hear Robert’s answer – obviously the oppose opposed God and prevented / stopped God from caring about everyone – what a ridicules doctrine he preaches Jewish Answer – Israel was chosen to / because / for the purpose of Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:6 Then I said, “Alas, Adonai Elohim! Look, I don’t know how to speak! For I’m still a boy!” Jer 1:7 But Adonai answered me, “Do not say ‘I’m only a boy!’ For to everyone I send you, you will go, and all I command you, you will speak. Jer 1:8 Do not be afraid of them! For I am with you to deliver you.” It is a declaration of Adonai. Rabbi Angela Buchdah COVID foxhole Amanuah go outside loo to heaven and count the stars.... Abram looks up and counting the stars. Torah says, Abram trusted in God, emunah, means more trust. Profound difference in trust and faith Faith is a noun. I have faith Trust is a verb, a doing thing. Jewish focus on deed and how to behave. We need to trust... to be the hands for good for delivering good into the world( Amanuah =) In countless actions. Support ways to support soup kitchens, we acted with amanuah... we act with amanuah, joined in services, new meaning of Sabbath' When we act with amanuah in the world, we are a blessing. We are a blessing to our community and our world.Amen by the way from the word amanuah. I am commented to making that so. W hat is the Jewish meaning of life – the purpose – our mission – to witness God to all the worldWhat was the point of the Exodus - to witness God to all the world What was the point of Jericho - to witness God to all the world What the point of Israel claim the Land of the Canaanite - to witness God to all the world How? By their life song – their behavior – their life style – their dress – their parade – their message to the world – their words – their steadfast faith – crushed to the max more than another people on this planet – yet they remain as a witness to God for all the world Why we dress Jewish in hostile places?1:25 min Gnostic Christian answerAuthoritative Teaching - NHLAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish. He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists. And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the world
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 17:05:56 GMT -5
Dillion asks " This is my question for Robert, you teach that God is good and caring and loves mankind; why didn’t God introduce himself to the whole world, why did God only introduce himself to Israel,
R" Israel was to be a light for the whole world.
Dillon" why didn’t god choose all the people of the whole world,
R" Because in Abram's time only one person saw God correctly in that part of the world, Abram. In Noah's time only 8 were saved. In Israel's time only Joshua and Caleb entered the promised land even though 3 million started off.
In our day Jesus asks will I find faith on the earth?
Dillion" why does your god hide himself from 99% of mankind?
R" God opposes the sinning we do, unless you seek God correctly, your own sinning make you blind to seeing and finding God. Hawkins is a good example of blinding our God's presence.
God went and saved millions of CHinese from 3000BC until 1000 AD, via Noah, under the CHinese but eventually they lost their way.
Missionaries have found some remote tribes keeping Sabbath, how did they know?
It's not as you claim, God is willing to save all humans everywhere.
Dave" Trust is a verb, a doing thing. Jewish focus on deed and how to behave. We need to trust... to be the hands for good for delivering good into the world
R" I noticed this....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jun 26, 2022 18:31:50 GMT -5
Dillion asks " This is my question for Robert, you teach that God is good and caring and loves mankind; why didn’t God introduce himself to the whole world, why did God only introduce himself to Israel,
R" Israel was to be a light for the whole world. Why can’t you answer a direct question – if Feel Good God of tov loves all mankind why does Israel have to
Dillon" why didn’t god choose all the people of the whole world, R" Because in Abram's time only one person saw God correctly in that part of the world Out of the Billions of people that have ever lived – or the millions that were alive during Abraham God only loved one?
Dillion" why does your god hide himself from 99% of mankind? R" God opposes the sinning we do, unless you seek God correctly, Why can’t you answer a direct question – if Feel Good God of tov loves all mankind why does Israel have to
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