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Post by Dave on Jan 25, 2022 14:33:17 GMT -5
D"Anything that is heaven – if your cherub satan is not a elohiym power – why do you say that he is? R" The opposer of elohiym powers is wanting to be like the Most High, thus, by sinning and by pride against God, becomes an opposing eloiym power Correct – why does your god instruct hid people to violate the 10 Commandments?
D"Genocyde is sure wounding = ra - word game D"Often He sends His chosen people to kill you R" Hmm? was this really a will of God, If it happened it is God’s Will – God gives specific instructions for the slaughter
D"And God does send destruction onto millions of people – your God of Tov only R" Yes when the people reach the end of choosing God, such a condition is possible....
I gave you this contrast before, muwth is contrasted to chayah. God is not killing them, muwth/chay. No, they were given probation time to choose Him
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Gen 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
D"Your God is the God of TOV that does a lot of ra Yes, as Deutronomy says
De 32:23 I will heap "RA" upon them; Jesus heaps RA upon them. Why? According to you – your Feel Good God of ToV only does not make Ra – does not Do Ra – or cause Ra
YES – so why does Jesus heap Ra upon them? Because Jesus can? or because these people deserve it
YES Robert they deserved it - and your God dishes it out Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
TOV and Ra in a balance – from God who is absolute
All things created through Him – by Him – for Him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2022 14:45:11 GMT -5
D"why does your god instruct hid people to violate the 10 Commandments? Making images of God in a temple is not the same as placing an image inside the temple.
Inside the tabernacle was a golden chair, with golden angels, between the chair glowed a orgone energy simile of God's presence.
Not created, but the technology allowed God to show Himself. The people came to not see it, it was hidden behind a curtain, so the image was not seen. What does a curtain represent?
In a false temple, you plainly see your images of your false god. Not so in God's temple.
D"If it happened it is God’s Will – God gives specific instructions for the slaughter Yes but there is differences in the will of God, conditional and absolute. One responds to you as a sinner, the one responds to you as a sinless being.
D"YES Robert they deserved it - and your God dishes it out Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. TOV and Ra in a balance – from God who is absolute R" Maybe, BUT when the people miss the light, they are receiving created darkness. Does not mean God normally loves darkness.
Does not mean God allows darkness.
You assume God loves darkness as much as God loves light. You twist to make GOD a God of both tov and ra. The text says God yada ra, not naturally lives with ra. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 25, 2022 17:42:33 GMT -5
D"If it happened it is God’s Will – God gives specific instructions for the slaughter Yes but there is differences in the will of God, conditional and absolute. Yep – two choices tov absolute and ra less than
One responds to you as a sinner, the one responds to you as a sinless being. Yep – two choices tov absolute and ra less
D"YES Robert they deserved it - and your God dishes it out TOV and Ra in a balance – from God who is absolute R" Maybe, BUT Does not mean God normally loves darkness.
Where does this statement come from? – Did any one say He did – except you? Why do you have to add your extremely ridiculous statements have zero to do with the statement at hand
Does not mean God allows darkness. It it happened – God allowed it to happen – only God is in control – God’s Plan / God’s Will
You assume God loves darkness as much as God loves light Quote me – or stop making up disrespectful comments
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 14:41:32 GMT -5
Rp"You assume God loves darkness as much as God loves light D" Quote me – or stop making up disrespectful comments
R" Oh, so GOD does not normally love RA, nor normally love darkness as much as God loves light?
Now you have come over to my view. What view of GOD do you have Dave?
I mean no disrespect, but if you say God normally does not have darkness in God's world, why was there darkness in the world of Adam and Eve?
Your answer is "God is balance, and there is darkness and light in His world"?
Is that an answer? It implies God loves darkness as much as God loves light?
But than you post " stop making up disrespectful comments" ?
So what rationale conclusion is one supposed to make?
My view is GOD hates darkness and RA and would never normally created darkness nor RA ever.
Scripture backs up this view of mine.
Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to "RA"
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
It is true God has treasures of darkness, so we have to ask would we normally see these treasures of secret things only God knows?
Jeff Benner lists some nice ancient Hebrew letters on darkness, I shall have to study this some more.
My understanding is GOD only opened up the treasures of darkness, because some being wanted to sin.
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
You ignore this idea. I see in Scripture in both the OT (Ezek 28) and the NT (Act 26) that a being termed the opposer sinned long ago, and is the primary reason why GOD opened these treasures of darkness.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 26, 2022 21:33:22 GMT -5
Your answer is "God is balance, and there is darkness and light in His world"? Yep – ignorance and knowledge
Is that an answer? It implies God loves darkness as much as God loves light? Please post scripture that says God loves ignorance You can imply – make up – infer – invented – pretend anything you want Show me the data / scripture – instead of just presenting your attitude You make up these statements - where is your scripture that God loves darkness
My view is GOD hates darkness and RA and would never normally created darkness nor RA ever. Except whaen scripture says he does – Isa 45:7 - Col 1:16 – Rev 4:11 I do not have to deny any scripture to justify my cosmology You also claim that your God can do no harm - but he kills millions of people at a time
Ac 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
You ignore this idea. STOP telling me what I believe
Ignorance = darkness The Beast spreads ignorance by keeping you focused upon this world
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 13:29:27 GMT -5
Rp"My view is GOD hates darkness and RA and would never normally created darkness nor RA ever.
D"Except when scripture says he does – Isa 45:7 - Col 1:16 – Rev 4:11 I do not have to deny any scripture to justify my cosmology
R" Than your view of God is the same as mine?
Isa 45:7 WHY DOES GOD CREATE DARKNESS?
Col 1:16 ALL THINGS MUST ENTER the MEDIUM, by HIM and through HIM, as the verse implies, but WHY must all things enter through a MEDIUM?
Rev 4:11 WHY WAS ALL THINGS unfolded here with this earth?
You say earth is the only time free will creatures were made to purposefully choose GOD while at the same time GOD is allowing them to be tested and tempted to purposefully miss our on God, and you call this a natural balance of love?
Like I posted a long time ago, so slapping your wife's face every now and than, helps her to love you more strongly? I doubt that.
Look at your discussion"
D" Ignorance = darkness The Beast spreads ignorance by keeping you focused upon this world
R" Oh so darkness is just a simile of ignorance?
Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. 5 Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it
JOb laments his birth and compares it to darkness, indeed the shadow of death...
I see nothing ignorant here?
Job 10:21 Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death; 22 A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.
Again notice the simile, no ignorance here.
Ps 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil:
Ps 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.
Who is the dragon, is it not the serpent, that covers us with the shadow of death?
Ps 107:10 ¶ Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; 11 Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High
You make out that darkness is just ignorant sinning, ? A being who sins become beings of darkness and invite the shadow of death over them.
Nothing ignorant in all this.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2022 5:12:37 GMT -5
Rp"My view is GOD hates darkness and RA and would never normally created darkness nor RA ever. D"Except when scripture says he does – Isa 45:7 - Col 1:16 – Rev 4:11 I do not have to deny any scripture to justify my cosmology R" Than your view of God is the same as mine? Finally you admit – God creates the tov and the ra – by Him for Him
You say earth is the only time free will creatures were made to purposefully choose GOD while at the same time GOD is allowing them to be tested and tempted to purposefully miss our on God, and you call this a natural balance of love? YES – in order for LOVE to be unrequited – God must be willing to let you go We come into this world – YES – God allows us to be here While we are here – we can embrace God or World – that is the choice If we choose God over world we return to the father as the Prodigal Son and reward
This is a very basic Jewish / Christian principle
Like I posted a long time ago, so slapping your wife's face every now and than, helps her to love you more strongly? I doubt that. AND I responded to you long ago that your ridicules’ extreme example means nothing to this conversation
D" Ignorance = darkness The Beast spreads ignorance by keeping you focused upon this world R" Oh so darkness is just a simile of ignorance? YES Robert – the only thing that changed for Adam and Eve was KNOWLEDGE
Nothing ignorant in all this. except your ridicules’ extreme example means nothing to this conversation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 16:04:20 GMT -5
Can I ask you WHY GOD creates darkness in the first place?
You speak for his glory You speak of by product of matter, all things have RA in them You speak the cockroach had RA, to sneaks into houses to spoil them with bacterial disease. You speak of sharks with big teeth eating fish, because sharks have RA to be meat eaters.
You worship a god called RA. This is the same god Nimrod invented, on RA day, so all the people bowed down and supported RA by his doings.
This tree the serpent was only allowed to speak from, is called a tree of TOV and RA.
Not a tree of RA.
Why must the tree have such an odd name?
Why were there TWO trees in the midst of the EDEN garden, something you fail to notice, one tree, the tree of life, grants ongoing living if you eat of it's fruit, proves the Adam and Eve couple were not immortal, but only biological, required to eat the fruit every day to achieve eternal life.
I imagine the tree of life is called the tree of TOV.
So why wasn't the other tree called the tree of RA? Because RA can never exist without GOD allowing it to exist. So in this sense there is no such thing as free will, to live a life without GOD in your life.
If a being chooses to sin, than GOD have to react and allow the sinning to exist and even the RA to be seen. That is why the tree is called the tree of TOV and RA.
But you twist all this saying the only tree in the midst was TOV and RA, and you make this into something GOD is, a God of TOV and RA. My view is GOD only creates RA when sinners wish to sin. But you ignore this idea and stick with your Gnostic view instead.
Chinese pictographs show two trees in the Garden, but Dave ignores the Chinese pictographs showing this idea.You twist saying there are many fruit trees in the garden. Yes, but only TWO super mountain trees in the midst.
Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Eze 15:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, ....Eze 15:8 And I will make the land desolate, because they have committed a trespass, saith the Lord GOD. (KJV)
You have not considered one tree in the garden committed a trespass, the serpent not only was a deceiver, but a trespasser of the Lord of Trees.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2022 17:35:21 GMT -5
You worship a god called RA. Robert – you claim to be a Christian – yet you are as deliberately as disrespectful as you can be
This tree the serpent was only allowed to speak from, is called a tree of TOV and RA. Not a tree of RA. Why do you feel so comfortable misrepresent the word of God?
Gen 2:16 Then Adonai Elohim commanded the man saying, “From all the trees of the garden you are most welcome to eat. Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. For when you eat from it, you most assuredly will die!”
The tree is the tree of KNOWLEDGE Between tov and ra
Your attempt to twist and bend scripture so it supports your man-made doctrine is rejected
Why were there TWO trees in the midst of the EDEN garden, something you fail to notice, one tree, the tree of life, grants ongoing living if you eat of it's fruit, proves the Adam and Eve couple were not immortal, but only biological, required to eat the fruit every day to achieve eternal life. You are correct – Adam and Eve became mortal when they disobeyed You are correct – the Tree of life would have maintained their biology as immortals – 100% Correct
That tree was withheld – not that the tree was taken back – but Adam and Eve were ejected from the Garden and no longer had access
I imagine the tree of life is called the tree of TOV. Scripture calls it the Tree of Life – you can make up any name you want
So why wasn't the other tree called the tree of RA? If a being chooses to sin, than GOD have to react and allow the sinning to exist and even the RA to be seen. That is why the tree is called the tree of TOV and RA.
The only thing that happened was disobedience The only thing that changed was the knowledge – now Adam and Eve knew the consequences of disobedience
But you twist all this saying the only tree in the midst was TOV and RA, and you make this into something GOD is, a God of TOV and RA. Stop making up scripture – it is the Tree of Knowledge between tov ans ra
Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat
You worship a god called RA. This is the same god Nimrod invented, on RA day, so all the people bowed down and supported RA by his doings.
Before you met me - you were such a well rounded Bible student you had no idea who Tammuz or the Abomination of Ezekiel was
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 15:37:12 GMT -5
D"The tree is the tree of KNOWLEDGE Between tov and ra
Your attempt to twist and bend scripture so it supports your man-made doctrine is rejected
R" The word "between" is not there in the description of the Tree my friend.
Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
D"Before you met me - you were such a well rounded Bible student you had no idea who Tammuz or the Abomination of Ezekiel was
R" I have read the Two Babylons by Hislop
I quote from Hislop, the two Babylons
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If there be this general coincidence between the systems of Babylon and Rome, the question arises, Does the coincidence stop here? To this the answer is, Far otherwise. We have only to bring the ancient Babylonian Mysteries to bear on the whole system of Rome, and then it will be seen how immensely the one has borrowed from the other. These Mysteries were long shrouded in darkness, but now the thick darkness begins to pass away. All who have paid the least attention to the literature of Greece, Egypt, Phoenicia, or Rome are aware of the place which the "Mysteries" occupied in these countries, and that, whatever circumstantial diversities there might be, in all essential respects these "Mysteries" in the different countries were the same. Now, as the language of Jeremiah, already quoted, would indicate that Babylon was the primal source from which all these systems of idolatry flowed, so the deductions of the most learned historians, on mere historical grounds have led to the same conclusion. From Zonaras we find that the concurrent testimony of the ancient authors he had consulted was to this effect; for, speaking of arithmetic and astronomy, he says: "It is said that these came from the Chaldees to the Egyptians, and thence to the Greeks." If the Egyptians and Greeks derived their arithmetic and astronomy from Chaldea, seeing these in Chaldea were sacred sciences, and monopolised by the priests, that is sufficient evidence that they must have derived their religion from the same quarter. Both Bunsen and Layard in their researches have come to substantially the same result.
"If thus we have evidence that Egypt and Greece derived their religion from Babylon, we have equal evidence that the religious system of the Phoenicians came from the same source.
The Babylonians had something of the same. Mr. Layard, in his last work, has given a specimen of such a triune divinity, worshipped in ancient Assyria. ** (see figure 3) The accompanying cut (see figure 4 below) of such another divinity, worshipped among the Pagans of Siberia, is taken from a medal in the Imperial Cabinet of St. Petersburg, and given in Parson's "Japhet." ***
Figure 3 and 4
** Babylon and Nineveh. Some have said that the plural form of the name of God, in the Hebrew of Genesis, affords no argument of the doctrine of plurality of persons in the Godhead, because the same word in the plural is applied to heathen divinities. But if the supreme divinity in almost all ancient heathen nations was triune, the futility of this objection must be manifest.
*** Japhet, p. 184.
The three heads are differently arranged in Layard's specimen, but both alike are evidently intended to symbolise the same great truth, although all such representation of the Trinity necessarily and utterly debase the conceptions of those, among whom such images prevail, in regard to that sublime mystery of our faith.
In India, the supreme divinity, in like manner, in one of the most ancient cave-temples, is represented with three heads on one body, under the name of "Eko Deva Trimurtti," "One God, three forms." *
Hislop is a hard read, you would understand it better than me.
I get the impression Babylon was the first to corrupt the true religion of God, not Rome, who is probably the last one to edit things.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2022 19:39:36 GMT -5
D"The tree is the tree of KNOWLEDGE Between tov and ra R" The word "between" is not there in the description of the Tree my friend. Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, WORD GAME - WORD GAME - WORD GAME -
D"Before you met me - you were such a well rounded Bible student you had no idea who Tammuz or the Abomination of Ezekiel was
I quote from Hislop, the two Babylons If there be this general coincidence between the systems of Babylon and Rome, the question arises, Does the coincidence stop here? To this the answer is, Far otherwise. We have only to bring the ancient Babylonian Mysteries to bear on the whole system of Rome, and then it will be seen how immensely the one has borrowed from the other. Agree – Your SDA Catholic doctrine is entirely based in pagan religions
Now, as the language of Jeremiah, already quoted, would indicate that Babylon was the primal source from which all these systems of idolatry flowed, so the deductions of the most learned historians, on mere historical grounds have led to the same conclusion. From Zonaras we find that the concurrent testimony of the ancient authors he had consulted was to this effect; for, speaking of arithmetic and astronomy, he says: "It is said that these came from the Chaldees to the Egyptians, and thence to the Greeks." If the Egyptians and Greeks derived their arithmetic and astronomy from Chaldea, seeing these in Chaldea were sacred sciences, and monopolised by the priests, that is sufficient evidence that they must have derived their religion from the same quarter
YES – The religion of nature – mathematics, sacred geometry, astrology - Chaldea to Egypt to Greece
"If thus we have evidence that Egypt and Greece derived their religion from Babylon,(Chaldea) we have equal evidence that the religious system of the Phoenicians came from the same source.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world
G4567 - Σατανᾶς – Satanas - Of Chaldee origin - the accuser, that is, the devil:
In India, the supreme divinity, in like manner, in one of the most ancient cave-temples, is represented with three heads on one body, under the name of "Eko Deva Trimurtti," "One God, three forms." * YES – a Trinity of God head – very Christian like – Braham the Creator – female Shiva the destroyer – and Vishnu that has come twice as a man to teach and is coming again – struggling against multiple serpent gods
I get the impression Babylon was the first to corrupt the true religion of God, not Rome, who is probably the last one to edit things.
DUH - (Jdg 2:1) Now the angel of Adonai came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and He said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and took you into the land which I swore to your fathers. I also said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. (Jdg 2:2) Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? (Jdg 2:3) Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”
I quote from Hislop, the two Babylons If there be this general coincidence between the systems of Babylon and Rome, the question arises, Does the coincidence stop here? To this the answer is, Far otherwise. We have only to bring the ancient Babylonian Mysteries to bear on the whole system of Rome, and then it will be seen how immensely the one has borrowed from the other. Agree – Your SDA Catholic doctrine is entirely based in pagan religions The SDA doctrine of the Great Controversy is 100% pagan Zorosterism The Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angles – only empowers satan as the god of evil The Catholic doctrine of Fallen Angles – teaches that even angels call fall from the grace of God The SDA denial of the spirit – Baptism of the Spirit – and First Fruits is anti-Jewish or mainstream Christianity The SDA denial of John 3:16 – no eternal life for anyone is anti-Jewish or mainstream Christianity
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