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D" It must be hard for God to save your immortal soul – when you have none
Satan sure has you and your SDA cult really brainwashed about this
This is a fundamental basic principle of Judaism and therefor Christianity based upon Christ
R" Where does Scripture speak of an "immortal soul"? It doesn't.
Your idiom , to save an immortal soul, is stupid, because an immortal soul by definition is immortal, and does not need saving? But than you say the immortal soul can die, be extinguished with a second death or Lake of Fire, than the soul is not immortal is it?
Nor you use the term second death correctly, if the soul cannot die at the first death, but only die at the second death, you violate the Scripture when it uses the first death.
Thus the human body is biological both times. We totally die upon the first death and are raised to life afterwards to meet GOD face to face and meet our judgement. Than we are to die totally again the second death. This implies the term "first death and second death" are the same terms, only differences in application.
So how come Enoch never got an ethereal body when he walked into heaven, and Elijah too?
And Jesus also had a biological body after He rose, with the same scars on his body He received from torture. Your ethereal body and your immortal soul idea is a myth.
"This is a fundamental basic principle of " Satan's lie, "thou shalt not surely die"
Satan is saying the soul does not die at the first death, and you believe Satan, Dave.
D"Yes Robert – I have dogs and they love their master
R" You missed my point, Creatures created by GOD all have free will to love and be loved.
Alex could talk, dogs cannot talk, so the bird is far superior.
D" IF your angels have free will – why don’t they repent?
R" Many thousands did repent, Dave. Why do you suppose they didn't repent?
Why don't they repent now? Unpardonable sin that's why.
D" Answer – they cannot – or scripture would fail
R" Where does Scripture record angels cannot repent, or Scripture fall?
D" Who says cherub angels are angels – other angels are archangels – but you do not have different types or classes of angels =-- they are all just cherubs
R" correct the other 12 cases are only functional descriptors of cherub, NOT different creature kinds.
D" YES Robert – God is in charge of everything – the tov and the ra – I say this and scripture says this
R Than GOD is an archangel than, it's a term meaning to command cherubs.
D"You say – God is not in control – God is just playing defense to your satan – that makes your satan in control and God is just reacting
R" You have a habit to argue against GOD.
God is always in control. It's not called the tree of good and ra for nothing. God knows all things before they happen.
Now you playing philosophy about who is leading who during sin. So tell me Dave, when Dave sins, does GOD influence you to sin, or does Dave influence Dave to sin? Which is it? Is God reacting to your sin, or with foreknowledge know when you sin and why?
God is not just reacting Dave because the future of the end is written down already. Has been written down for thousands of years for the Devil to read.
Therefore God is always in control.
Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans,
Jesus raises up Satan to do His worst against Jesus.
God is always in control. If God just sat there, Satan would love His kingdom to exist forever, but alas Satan know his time is short and soon He will die.
D" I say – God the Father is androgynous – and nothing close to human
R" If your statement was true Dave, why does the Hebrew call the Most High "ab"?
The Hebrew could leave out the "Ab" reference and the "ben" reference, but it doesn't?
And stick to Most High all the time, but Scripture doesn't do this.
SO your idea of Scripture about GOD is wrong. Scripture add human terms to GOD, who is (yes) not like humans, but a simile of humans.
A good example of this, the HS has something like a womb, but this Hebrew word actually means compassion-centre, because the verb form means compassion.
Therefore there is no Hebrew word for womb, only for belly. The word Racham (verb and noun) forms mean "compasion-centre or compassion". But the HS has something simile like a mother's belly that creates living under it. We must be born again is a literal true statement, but not like humans, hence why Nicodemus said how can a man enter a woman a second time. Jesus was referring to the womb of the HS.
Therefore Dave, GOD has simile functions to Humans. God made us in His image in this way.
D" God is not a thing of matter
Why is it that you can only think of God as a thing of matter that must obey rules set for matter?
R" Correct GOD is energy, and energy is not of matter. But matter is related to energy. Energy is not related to anything.
Ocazors Razor says all things must break down to one. Who postulated this idea? What if the lowest level of energy is three components of energy as personalities of love?
Quantum energy as positive spin, negative spin, and neutral spin, therefore three kinds of motion? Or clockwise, counter clockwise and both combinations of motion?
D"You put a lot of effort into trying to discredit Paul – no such thing as Principalities – it just means powers in the beginning
R" Hmm? Seeing the Greek is difficult to unfathom Dave, maybe. I mean no disrespect to Paul, but what would Paul have written in Hebrew? "it just means powers in the beginning" correct.
D"A true academic student – of course you are not trying to force SDA doctrine into the agl
R" I hope not. But you have pointed out translating issues are hard, especially the LXX. So it's hard to verify some matters in the Greek.
D"No Jew of the ahl sees your satan as the god of evil – or a leader of any type
No Jew sees satan as the arch enemy of God – always opposing God
This is simple not Jewish theology
R" Maybe Satan influences minds not to see Satan in a opposing light.
Maybe Satan has allowed Jews to be influenced by Satan
to play Him down in the OT.
When the Jews went to Babylon in capture, what was Babylon? The capital of Satan, the Jews adopted the square script no longer used ancient Hebrew script. Lost some Hebrew letters, and obviously played down Satan as an opposer.
Do you think this is all possible? My Bibles for Jesus says only 1% of Jews know the Messiah Jesus. The rest are secular. Unsaved.
D"But you add one verse that you misunderstand from the agl and suddenly the Torah is rewritten
R" Yes, but so is the understanding of faith, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of amanuah. This verse is Exodus 17:12
Yes, but so is the understanding of the personality of the HS, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of ruwach as a Her wings. (Not in the NT as a He) This verse is Hosea 4:19
Yes, but so is the understanding of Second COming of Jesus, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of Second COming of Jesus. This verse speaks of the third coming of Jesus, touching the earth. The second coming Jesus does not walk on the earth.
Sometimes ONE verse is important, a key that unlocks all the other verses.
D" Then why is Roman Christianity at war against the Jews and Jewish theology
R Give me some examples Dave. I do not understand or follow Roman paganism that is adopted into so called Christianity, under Constantine.
D"What of Mohammed? Million more humans believe him a prophet over a woman
What of Calvin? You are a Calvinist – was he also inspired by God?
R A messenger is different to a prophet. Are there any records of Mohammed not breathing in vision, with eyes open? Also of Calvin as a prophet?
D"So confused – Walter Veith didn’t say any of this word for word?
R" Walter Veith is the greatest video to watch if you want to be convinced of the truth. He does not present other matters for a reason. Truth comes gradually. Consider His onslaught lectures, all 38 of them.
That list came from a Catholic website.
D" So the SDA denies scripture?
Rev 20:14 Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
R SDA do not deny Scripture, but the wicked dying dies and the torture ends, the flames die out but the condemnation is eternal. Catholics speak of the wicked as living in torture for ever and ever, what a cruel God this is.
Enjoyed your seminar?
Shalom
Satan sure has you and your SDA cult really brainwashed about this
This is a fundamental basic principle of Judaism and therefor Christianity based upon Christ
R" Where does Scripture speak of an "immortal soul"? It doesn't.
Your idiom , to save an immortal soul, is stupid, because an immortal soul by definition is immortal, and does not need saving? But than you say the immortal soul can die, be extinguished with a second death or Lake of Fire, than the soul is not immortal is it?
Nor you use the term second death correctly, if the soul cannot die at the first death, but only die at the second death, you violate the Scripture when it uses the first death.
Thus the human body is biological both times. We totally die upon the first death and are raised to life afterwards to meet GOD face to face and meet our judgement. Than we are to die totally again the second death. This implies the term "first death and second death" are the same terms, only differences in application.
So how come Enoch never got an ethereal body when he walked into heaven, and Elijah too?
And Jesus also had a biological body after He rose, with the same scars on his body He received from torture. Your ethereal body and your immortal soul idea is a myth.
"This is a fundamental basic principle of " Satan's lie, "thou shalt not surely die"
Satan is saying the soul does not die at the first death, and you believe Satan, Dave.
D"Yes Robert – I have dogs and they love their master
R" You missed my point, Creatures created by GOD all have free will to love and be loved.
Alex could talk, dogs cannot talk, so the bird is far superior.
D" IF your angels have free will – why don’t they repent?
R" Many thousands did repent, Dave. Why do you suppose they didn't repent?
Why don't they repent now? Unpardonable sin that's why.
D" Answer – they cannot – or scripture would fail
R" Where does Scripture record angels cannot repent, or Scripture fall?
D" Who says cherub angels are angels – other angels are archangels – but you do not have different types or classes of angels =-- they are all just cherubs
R" correct the other 12 cases are only functional descriptors of cherub, NOT different creature kinds.
D" YES Robert – God is in charge of everything – the tov and the ra – I say this and scripture says this
R Than GOD is an archangel than, it's a term meaning to command cherubs.
D"You say – God is not in control – God is just playing defense to your satan – that makes your satan in control and God is just reacting
R" You have a habit to argue against GOD.
God is always in control. It's not called the tree of good and ra for nothing. God knows all things before they happen.
Now you playing philosophy about who is leading who during sin. So tell me Dave, when Dave sins, does GOD influence you to sin, or does Dave influence Dave to sin? Which is it? Is God reacting to your sin, or with foreknowledge know when you sin and why?
God is not just reacting Dave because the future of the end is written down already. Has been written down for thousands of years for the Devil to read.
Therefore God is always in control.
Hab 1:5 ¶ Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans,
Jesus raises up Satan to do His worst against Jesus.
God is always in control. If God just sat there, Satan would love His kingdom to exist forever, but alas Satan know his time is short and soon He will die.
D" I say – God the Father is androgynous – and nothing close to human
R" If your statement was true Dave, why does the Hebrew call the Most High "ab"?
The Hebrew could leave out the "Ab" reference and the "ben" reference, but it doesn't?
And stick to Most High all the time, but Scripture doesn't do this.
SO your idea of Scripture about GOD is wrong. Scripture add human terms to GOD, who is (yes) not like humans, but a simile of humans.
A good example of this, the HS has something like a womb, but this Hebrew word actually means compassion-centre, because the verb form means compassion.
Therefore there is no Hebrew word for womb, only for belly. The word Racham (verb and noun) forms mean "compasion-centre or compassion". But the HS has something simile like a mother's belly that creates living under it. We must be born again is a literal true statement, but not like humans, hence why Nicodemus said how can a man enter a woman a second time. Jesus was referring to the womb of the HS.
Therefore Dave, GOD has simile functions to Humans. God made us in His image in this way.
D" God is not a thing of matter
Why is it that you can only think of God as a thing of matter that must obey rules set for matter?
R" Correct GOD is energy, and energy is not of matter. But matter is related to energy. Energy is not related to anything.
Ocazors Razor says all things must break down to one. Who postulated this idea? What if the lowest level of energy is three components of energy as personalities of love?
Quantum energy as positive spin, negative spin, and neutral spin, therefore three kinds of motion? Or clockwise, counter clockwise and both combinations of motion?
D"You put a lot of effort into trying to discredit Paul – no such thing as Principalities – it just means powers in the beginning
R" Hmm? Seeing the Greek is difficult to unfathom Dave, maybe. I mean no disrespect to Paul, but what would Paul have written in Hebrew? "it just means powers in the beginning" correct.
D"A true academic student – of course you are not trying to force SDA doctrine into the agl
R" I hope not. But you have pointed out translating issues are hard, especially the LXX. So it's hard to verify some matters in the Greek.
D"No Jew of the ahl sees your satan as the god of evil – or a leader of any type
No Jew sees satan as the arch enemy of God – always opposing God
This is simple not Jewish theology
R" Maybe Satan influences minds not to see Satan in a opposing light.
Maybe Satan has allowed Jews to be influenced by Satan
to play Him down in the OT.
When the Jews went to Babylon in capture, what was Babylon? The capital of Satan, the Jews adopted the square script no longer used ancient Hebrew script. Lost some Hebrew letters, and obviously played down Satan as an opposer.
Do you think this is all possible? My Bibles for Jesus says only 1% of Jews know the Messiah Jesus. The rest are secular. Unsaved.
D"But you add one verse that you misunderstand from the agl and suddenly the Torah is rewritten
R" Yes, but so is the understanding of faith, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of amanuah. This verse is Exodus 17:12
Yes, but so is the understanding of the personality of the HS, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of ruwach as a Her wings. (Not in the NT as a He) This verse is Hosea 4:19
Yes, but so is the understanding of Second COming of Jesus, just one verse totally re-writes the Bible understanding of Second COming of Jesus. This verse speaks of the third coming of Jesus, touching the earth. The second coming Jesus does not walk on the earth.
Sometimes ONE verse is important, a key that unlocks all the other verses.
D" Then why is Roman Christianity at war against the Jews and Jewish theology
R Give me some examples Dave. I do not understand or follow Roman paganism that is adopted into so called Christianity, under Constantine.
D"What of Mohammed? Million more humans believe him a prophet over a woman
What of Calvin? You are a Calvinist – was he also inspired by God?
R A messenger is different to a prophet. Are there any records of Mohammed not breathing in vision, with eyes open? Also of Calvin as a prophet?
D"So confused – Walter Veith didn’t say any of this word for word?
R" Walter Veith is the greatest video to watch if you want to be convinced of the truth. He does not present other matters for a reason. Truth comes gradually. Consider His onslaught lectures, all 38 of them.
That list came from a Catholic website.
D" So the SDA denies scripture?
Rev 20:14 Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
R SDA do not deny Scripture, but the wicked dying dies and the torture ends, the flames die out but the condemnation is eternal. Catholics speak of the wicked as living in torture for ever and ever, what a cruel God this is.
Enjoyed your seminar?
Shalom