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Post by Dave on Nov 28, 2020 1:53:52 GMT -5
What did Jesus mean by being born of spirit? Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. How is one born of spirit? Easy Answer – a spirit to spirit personal relationship to the CreatorIn some way – The hand of God holds your heart in His hands To many people – this is a strong emotional event Examples from scriptureGen 12:1 And Jehovah saith unto Abram, 'Go for thyself, from thy land, and from thy kindred, and from the house of thy father, unto the land which I shew thee. God spoke to Abram – BOOM! –God is fact and he becomes Abraham Exo 3:1 And Moses hath been feeding the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, priest of Midian, and he leadeth the flock behind the wilderness, and cometh in unto the mount of God, to Horeb; Exo 3:2 and there appeareth unto him a messenger of Jehovah in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he seeth, and lo, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed. Exo 3:3 And Moses saith, 'Let me turn aside, I pray thee, and I see this great appearance; wherefore is the bush not burned?' Exo 3:4 and Jehovah seeth that he hath turned aside to see, and God calleth unto him out of the midst of the bush, and saith, 'Moses, Moses;' and he saith, 'Here am I.' BOOM – God is fact2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayeth, and saith, 'Jehovah, open, I pray Thee, his eyes, and he doth see;' and Jehovah openeth the eyes of the young man, and he seeth, and lo, the hill is full of horses and chariots of fire, round about Elisha. BOOM – the eyes of the servant were opened - God is factDo you really think this didn’t change that servant for life? Saul of tarsus was walking down the road one day – thinking Jesus was a liar Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing of threatening and slaughter to the disciples of the Lord, Then Act 9:3 … and suddenly there shone round about him a light from the heaven, Act 9:4 and having fallen upon the earth, he heard a voice saying to him, 'Saul, Saul, why me dost thou persecute?' BOOM – God is fact – Jesus the Christ is FactAct 9:8 and Saul arose from the earth, and his eyes having been opened, Act 2:2 and there came suddenly out of the heaven a sound as of a bearing violent breath, and it filled all the house where they were sitting, Act 2:3 and there appeared to them divided tongues, as it were of fire; it sat also upon each one of them, Act 2:4 and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, according as the Spirit was giving them to declare. To all that were present – BOOM God is factGnostic vocabularyBelief is held in (Mind/Body) – it is an educational exercise – intellect – best hope Heb 10:23 (TLV) may we hold fast the unwavering profession of the hope, Psa 33:18 (KJV) Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; There is nothing wrong with belief if it is help steadfastly to the end The problem with belief is that it is not fact – it is the best hope The problem with belief is that beliefs change Gnostic vocabularyGnosis = is fact – a real unchanging fact Eph 1:18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened, for your knowing what is the hope of His calling, and what the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, knowing what is the hopegnosis of what the believer hopes for gnosis = God is factWhat did Jesus mean by being born of spirit? Joh 3:6 How is one born of spirit?In each of the scriptural examples – God reached out and touched each that He called Only you can find this answer on your knees in prayer However – most witnesses today speak of being at their bottom – or being able just to forget all their crap and listen How can you pray in the spirit – if your prayer begins – I hope one of you is listening – I cannot see you – all I can see out my window it the effect of sin and satan – I want to be born of spirit but deep inside I doubt it possible because you deny the spirit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 16:31:16 GMT -5
Rob answers:
Ro 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
The Jew in the OT by and large did not submit (Hebrew subdue) themselves to GOD.
The key word to the born again experience here is "faith", that Hebrew word "amanuah" that religions not understand?
How do you get "amanuah" flowing in you daily Dave?
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. 11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
This "amanuah" is created in you daily, by the HS, and from the compassion-centre, you are born into God's spirit, but how does this "amanuah" work? How do you get "amanuah"?
There is only one verse that explains how:
Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady "amanuah" until the going down of the sun.
Only the LXX translates "Amanuah" correctly, no other translators come close.
Except Ellen White, our Hebrew English translator from God:
"That prayer which comes forth from an earnest, believing heart is the effectual, fervent prayer that availeth much. God does not always answer our prayers as we expect, for we may not ask what would be for our highest good; but in his infinite love and wisdom he will give us those things which we most need. Happy the minister who has a faithful Aaron and Hur to strengthen his hands when they become weary, and to hold them up by faith and prayer. Such a support is a powerful aid to the servant of Christ in his work, and will often make the cause of truth to triumph gloriously." GW92 32.2
I am amazed Ellen White uses the word "support" for "Faith". But only here, not anywhere else in her writings, the messages of Jesus are hidden in riddles and parables. You have to dig them out and cherish them.
Have a look at out studies spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2020 7:26:36 GMT -5
Rob answers:
The Jew in the OT by and large did not submit (Hebrew subdue) themselves to GOD. What a judgmental thing to say – Mr Catholic You want to argue that people like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, Jeramiah, Daniel, or Ezekiel and Elijah – did not have FAITH – did not have a personal relationship with the Lord Not only do I think you very WRONG and extremely disrespectful to all the Israelites endured The key word to the born again experience here is "faith", that Hebrew word "amanuah" that religions not understand?The key word is SPIRIT – spirit to spirit – why do you deny the spirit?How do you get "amanuah" flowing in you daily Dave? There is only one verse that explains how:Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady "amanuah" until the going down of the sun. Only the LXX translates "Amanuah" correctly, no other translators come close. Sorry Robert – you are preaching salvation is dependent upon a daily worship ritual You preach salvation is dependent upon you and your worshipThis is 100% RELIGIONSo – you do not TRUST in your salvation You do not have faith that God will always be there for you And you believe that once you enter salvation – God might cast you aside –or forget about you HOW SAD FOR YOUNot because of who I am But because of what You’ve done. Not because of what I’ve done But because of who You are.(Casting Crowns – Who am I?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 14:30:47 GMT -5
OK, I am not bagging Jews, of the 2 million that left Egypt, not counting women and children, how many went to the promised land? Only two, Joshua and Caleb. If salvation was so easily understood, why was it NOT so easily understood?
Ex 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
God tests whether the people walk in His torah.
Ex 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
The question arises, how to we guard this torah instructions?
Ex 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady "amanuah" until the going down of the sun.
The answer is here, right after the palms of the rock bringing water.
Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.
Here is a massive problem to God's salvation, it is NOT based on what we humans do, and you are correct in saying this.
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I beg your pardon, but this is the ONLY passage detailing how to be saved across both OT and NT, and it does not mention "spirit to spirit".
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Notice the Hebrew Dave:
the word of "amanuah", which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and "amanuah", in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Notice how we are saved, it is via "amanuah",
Manna or MAN, is the root meaning of "amanuah", I showed this verse also, the manna that fell from heaven, is a "MAN" the "amanuah", Jesus in person, whom we eat spiritually.
D: "You preach salvation is dependent upon you and your worship
R No I don't. you have to understand the difference between "amanuah of the Law" and "works of the Law", that Paul details to the Jews, who get by and large the salvation process wrong, in the NT.
Ga 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
"Works of the law" come from "flesh" our human mind that chooses to obey. This is a baal concept of salvation based on human good works, and means nothing to the eye of GOD.
"amanuah of the Law" comes from when you speak the words of Jesus promised powers as seeds whom you sow in your heart, than Jesus grows that power you claimed into you, and He flows through you because you asked Him too, this is a creative power via the HS, via the compassion-centre every time you support His words of promised power, this flow of Jesus empowers you. Such a concept of salvation means everything to the eye of GOD" But God will only support you, if you support Him. Its a relationship concept.
Now you will not get this, these two concepts, the Baal one was spoken upon Mt Sinai so the stiff necks who wanted a Baal works of the law, would see the fact they could not fully obey the torah in human strength alone, nevertheless they did and tried to. At least this religion makes us pious and good and law abiding citizens. It served a good purpose.
The other one called the Abrahamic Concept is based on Amanuah, and God counted these acts of Amanuah unto Abraham, so he was saved. It serves a better purpose.
It's important we see clearly the difference between these two processes and why GOD invented both of them for Jews and Christian's alike.
D: "The key word is SPIRIT – spirit to spirit – why do you deny the spirit?
R you are leaping ahead of yourself.
Heb 11:6 But without "Amanuah" it is impossible to please him:
Salvation begins with the correct understanding of "Amanuah"...
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Nov 30, 2020 23:50:55 GMT -5
OK, I am not bagging Jews, of the 2 million that left Egypt, not counting women and children, how many went to the promised land? Only two, Joshua and Caleb. If salvation was so easily understood, why was it NOT so easily understood? Let me rephrase your statementWhat is true today is the same for man yesterday and the day before that all the way back to Eve Why don’t we understand – YES! – Excellent question MY ROMAN EDIT – Ponder this exampleA Chinese CCP member and an American Libertarian – they will not agree A Catholic and Jew – will not agree An American Trump supporting Republican and a Democrat – will not agree An American White Supremacist and a Black Lives matter person – will not agree And all of it has nothing to do with the facts Each is BRAIN WASHED – conditioned – programed by their own doctrine / kabbalah / mind-set Each is 100% convinced with all they know that they are correct Now – let’s make it religious To be naked before the Lord - has nothing to do with being a communist BLM Democrat or a Baptist – or a Methodist Empty before the Lord – as children – without the baggage Ex 16:4 God tests whether the people walk in His torah.YES HE DOES! – by the will of God – the Plan of God – the Hand of God But God does not do it directly – use uses creation to fulfill his Will/Plan Gen 3:15 Contest This does not have to be an evil satan who hates It could be the cold, earth quake, small pox, diphtheria, typhus, It could be a car accident – my fault or theirs It could be war Nature vrs man / man vrs man ADDED TO THIS – are spirit beings – suggesting – urging – talking There are more than one – there are more than one type – I just call them Archon because John, James, Peter, Thomas, Philip, and Paul all refer to them as archon Archon – colloquium to describe an entire group of bad-guys – both spiritual and physical (Nehilium) ADDED TO THIS – your satan – who is always on a mission from God to TEST/Temp (to sum it all up in one/two word) ADDED TO THIS – our own yester ra within us – lusting and desiring Ex 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? Rom 7:14 (TLV)For we know that the Torah is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold to sin. Rom 7:15 For I do not understand what I am doing—for what I do not want, this I practice; but what I hate, this I do. If salvation was so easily understood, why was it NOT so easily understood?The Gospel of Thomas - The Nag Hammadi Library(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished,Ga 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Some think Moses wrote the Book of Job about himself – his own experience Adam and Eve proved to me animal in the beginning Moses proved himself to be animal David proved himself animal Solomon proved himself animal Nicodemus proved that he did not undserstand Today – man still does not understand------------------------ The question arises, how to we guard this torah instructions? Here is a massive problem to God's salvation, it is NOT based on what we humans do, and you are correct in saying this.YES! Agree – there is no ritual we must do every dayIsa 26:4 Trust in Adonai forever, Heb 11:1 (ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hold onto that verse for a moment ------------------------- I beg your pardon, but this is the ONLY passage detailing how to be saved across both OT and NT, and it does not mention "spirit to spirit".Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[/font] YES! – belief is all that is required – believe and you are saved – simpleBelief – is a weak word and a weak ‘relationship’ Beliefs can change – beliefs can become denied and/or forgotten Belief – might be the hardest Christian walk of all – because it requires steadfastness to the end Because it requires steadfastness through confusion and doubt If you can maintain this steadfastness – we call it faith Faith – is a stronger word – and a stronger relationship If faith was fact – why call it faith – what is faith Heb 11:1 (ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith – the assurance and conviction – very strong words Gnosis = factthe word of "amanuah", which we preach; Notice how we are saved, it is via "amanuah",Cannot argue against thisWe are saved as simple believers We are saved by our faith in our belief – agree Gen 5:24 And Enoch continually walked with God—then he was not there, because God took him. Enoch had firsthand knowledge of God = fact - gnosis2Ki 2:11 As they were walking along and talking, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Elijah had firsthand knowledge of God = fact - gnosis2Co 12:2 I know a man in Messiah (whether in the body I don’t know, or whether out of the body I don’t know—God knows)—fourteen years ago, he was caught up to the third heaven. Paul had firsthand knowledge of God = fact - gnosisAct 2:2 Suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Act 2:3 And tongues like fire spreading out appeared to them and settled on each one of them. Act 2:4 They were all filled with the Ruach ha-Kodesh and began to speak in other tongues as the Ruach enabled them to speak out. Act 2:8 How is it that we each hear our own birth language? All of these people had firsthand knowledge of God = fact - gnosisPersonal Pentecost – the indwelling of the HS – baptism of spirit - firsthand knowledge of God = fact - gnosisJoh 3:5 Yeshua answered, “Amen, amen I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Question – what is the difference between entering the Kingdom of God – and resting in the grave awaiting the First Resurrection Answer – First fruits – those who die in Christ are the First fruits serving in the court of heaven Belief – faith – Born Again Valentinus said – 3 types of Christians Spiritual – Ordinary – and the lost Hot – cold – and lukewarm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 4:49:17 GMT -5
D: Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth "pisteuo" (amanuah).YES! – belief is all that is required – believe and you are saved – simple[/font] You fell for the Roman Edit Dave.... The word behind believe, is pisteuo, a Greek word translated from amanuah, The Hebrew word, that is the key to how to be saved. Problem is no religion understands how you get amanuah, And it's got nothing to do with knowledge... Amanuah is a verb, and action word, something we do and something God does too. spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm Read through this study all 12 webpages, and see if you agree what amanuah is all about, and why the Roman Edit has spoiled our understanding of salvation. Love talking to you Dave. Can't get a single email from any SDA person. Seems most of us are not interested in God, or pondering confusion, Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 1, 2020 12:00:11 GMT -5
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth "pisteuo" (amanuah). YES! – belief is all that is required – believe and you are saved – simple[/font] You fell for the Roman Edit Dave.... The word behind believe, is pisteuo, a Greek word translated from amanuah, The Hebrew word, that is the key to how to be saved. Problem is no religion understands how you get amanuah,[/quote] G4100 – πιστεύω - From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
Heb 11:1 (ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Entrust assurance – commit – conviction – trust – put trust withBelief – is a weak word and a weak ‘relationship’ Beliefs can change – beliefs can become denied and/or forgotten Belief – might be the hardest Christian walk of all – because it requires steadfastness to the end Because it requires steadfastness through confusion and doubt If you can maintain this steadfastness – we call it faith Faith – is a stronger word – and a stronger relationship If faith was fact – why call it faith – what is faith Heb 11:1 (ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith – the assurance and conviction – very strong words the word of "amanuah", which we preach; Notice how we are saved, it is via "amanuah",Cannot argue against thisWe are saved as simple believers We are saved by our faith in our belief – agree Gnosis = factBelief – faith – Born Again Valentinus said – 3 types of Christians Spiritual – Ordinary – and the lost Hot – cold – and lukewarm Question – Is you wife real? How do you know (gnosis) this? Do you believe it to be true – do you have faith that it is true – or do you know this is true Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Do you believe this is true – NO – you say eternal life means to be stopped and placed in the grave and waits to be resurrected again Do you have faith this is true – how can you have faith if you do not first believe And even if you say you have the faith this is true – is it fact or a hope of something to come?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 13:50:02 GMT -5
I would suggest you read all I have on this study... I do not use dictionaries to look up meanings of Hebrew words, I use the Hebrew itself to answer my studies. Sola Scriptoria spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm And I begin with manna Greek, the Hebrew is man. The root word for amanuah. The "flow over the nations" What flow? The flow of Jesus power over the nations. Jeff Benner lists all these words, and I studied all of them. Read through the discovery and tell me is this what Scripture presents or not? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2020 10:54:50 GMT -5
spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm Read through the discovery and tell me is this what Scripture presents or not? Belief – is a weak word and a weak ‘relationship’ Beliefs can change – beliefs can become denied and/or forgotten Belief – might be the hardest Christian walk of all – because it requires steadfastness to the end Because it requires steadfastness through confusion and doubt If you can maintain this steadfastness – we call it faith Faith – is a stronger word – and a stronger relationship If faith was fact – why call it faith – what is faith Heb 11:1 (ESV) Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Faith – the assurance and conviction – very strong words the word of "amanuah", which we preach; Notice how we are saved, it is via "amanuah",Cannot argue against thisWe are saved as simple believers We are saved by our faith in our belief – agree We agree - Simply put, the biblical definition of faith is �trusting in something you cannot explicitly prove.I kept reading looking for the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit – and this is what you say We must do religion first and it will lead you to the flow of Jesus in a spiritual sense Sorry Robert – the only condition for spirituality is GodPaul was walking down the road hating Christians – hating Jesus Christ – dreaming of beheading Christians – then Christ said hello and Paul changed Was this a long drawn out religious process so that Paul could receive Christ – NO Paul did not even want it – Paul did not believe at all --------- then BOOM! After it happened – Paul was not just a believer – or a steadfast believer in something he could not prove – PAUL KNEW (gnosis) Gnosticism calls for more than intellectual belief – Gnosticism calls for more than just steadfast belief called faith After God spoke to Abraham – Abraham knew God as a fact – not a belief After God spoke to Moses – Moses knew God as a fact – not a belief After Enoch spoke to God - Enoch knew God as a fact – not a belief Thomas – was offered a chance to examine the holes in the body of Christ Did Thomas now believe in something he could not prove – NO – he now knew Christ as fact Explain to me – how increased intellectual belief in something you cannot prove – allows the gifts of the spirit the flow through you – speaking in tongues – healing with a touch And the very first gift of the spirit = understanding
I didn’t read any of this at your web-site – because you deny the spirit You deny spiritual Christianity You insist that we must do religion first and work on our belief in something we cannot prove Sorry Robert – for some of us – God is a fact Sorry Robert – for some of us – God has made this clear to us Remember the two Muslim men speaking of Christian conversation – this guy saw Christ on the cross BOOM! Instant conversion – just like Paul
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Post by Dillon on Dec 2, 2020 11:12:00 GMT -5
youtu.be/GdfYc5B0geQTrump's Lunatic Christian Adviser Strikes Demons for Victory I know what Dave has to say. So I ask Robert, what about speaking in tongues? Are preachers who speak in tongues just fake?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 12:58:40 GMT -5
Greetings Dillion, you ask "Are preachers who speak in tongues just fake"?
Scripture says "by their fruits ye shall know them".
This is the only test Scripture speaks of, abut testing how your experience with GOD on a daily basis is going. It requires you self evaluation.
What fruits are we talking about?
Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Peter also lists fruit is different words:
2Pe 1:5 ¶ And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So these character qualities are our test if we have these divine qualities, we have an experience with Jesus.
There have been many missionaries speak in tongues to promote the gospel, Dillion, this is what the gift of this power is for.
Dave asks the questions: "Explain to me – how increased intellectual belief in something you cannot prove – allows the gifts of the spirit the flow through you – speaking in tongues – healing with a touch
And the very first gift of the spirit = understanding
I didn’t read any of this at your web-site – because you deny the spirit You deny spiritual Christianity You insist that we must do religion first and work on our belief in something we cannot prove"
I suspect from these words Dave, and Dillion, that you seem to think speaking in tongues is a sign of God's presence with you, and you must desire this?
You also speak of touching people and healing them?
This is a massive faith step, requiring a lot of relationship with Jesus first:
Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Some applications of power from Jesus come with conditions of relationship, such as fervent prayer and fasting.
I am talking about baby steps first. You talk of walk in the Spirit, and born in the Spirit? Yes, but how?
Sure Paul confronted GOD face to face, and heard him, but than Paul had to respond by doing relationship,,,, what things must I do?
Everybody has a conscience, a gift of God, where communion can flow. We have all heard GOD speak to our minds personally at least once, so nobody is without excuse.
Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Question is? How did we respond? Did we drown out the still small voice, or learn to listen and walk in this relationship?
Dave, you define amanuah nicely. We agree. But HOW do you get more and more of amanuah flowing in your life daily? That is what our study focuses on.
For example a church in Nambia was praying for food, but only a 4 year old girl prayer was answered. Not the grown ups? Did you notice this? And the manna fell. And still falls to this day? A miracle nobody studies how? What did this 4 yr old girl do that enabled her faith to flow with manna falling? She heard the big ones praying for food, realized the food was coming down, and so went looking for the food Jesus sent as manna. Simple really. Did you read about this?
But HOW do you get more and more of amanuah flowing in your life daily? That is what our study focuses on.
spiritualsprings.org/ss-1513.htm
And the manna miracle
spiritualsprings.org/ss-1506.htm
Please read through these pages, all of them, I want to be sure, I have this correct too. I have not found any religion that explains how to get more faith daily flowing in you.
I have read books Dillion, a SDA person gave me, to speak in tongues, so rapid a sign, so easy to do, it seemed fake to me. God takes baby steps with you, everything is gradual, so relationship builds, the fruits of the Spirit take time, they are not granted immediately, though maybe sometimes they can be. I asked this person, I talk to GOD in prayer and GOD talks to me in prayer, it's in English, so why must I hear a language I don't understand, for private communion? He couldn't answer that question.
What is tongue speaking for ?
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
the Hebrew torah goes out to other tongues. This is why a Hebrew NT was translated into a Greek NT, because scripture says so. A new tongue went out. Now the Hebrew torah is written and spoken in many tongues all over the world.
However it seems to me, the language in Eden, God spoke to Adam, was Hebrew, or something like this, Ancient Hebrew, not modern Hebrew. Its a picture based language with each letter having meaning, as Jeff Benner explains, nothing like Modern Hebrew.
Shalom to you both
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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2020 13:27:45 GMT -5
Can't get a single email from any SDA person. Seems most of us are not interested in God, or pondering confusion,
Mat 10:12 (TLV) As you come into the house, greet it. Mat 10:13 If the household is worthy, let your shalom come upon it. But if it’s not worthy, let your shalom return to you. Mat 10:14 And whoever will not receive you or listen to your words, as you leave that house or that town, shake the dust off your feet.
All Catholics are – “one way doctrines” You do not want to learn from them You word-game attack and force the other party to DEFEND So – they do not have to play your game – your way
And you are not patient enough to listen –
I am not a Roman Christian – I reject the stigma – I reject the cultural brainwashing I am a Gnostic – and I am open to more information – I am open to all reality
1Th 5:18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Messiah Yeshua. 1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit, 1Th 5:20 do not despise prophetic messages, 1Th 5:21 but test all things, hold fast to what is good,
Praise God in everything Thank you for my life – the opportunity to witness – the opportunity to serve Thank you for my hardship – the pain – the ra – Thank you for “spirts of deception” Thank you for this world of tov and ra – so that I may see you (Rom 1:19-20 – Psa 19:2)
Do not quench the Spirit, Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of Adonai, searching all his inmost being.
Zec 12:1 … Adonai, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the Good News of His Son.
Rom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.
2Ti 4:22 The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.
do not despise prophetic messages, - but test all things, hold fast to what is good, REGARDLESS OF SOURCE If science points to my Lord – I like it If Islam points to my Lord – I like it If Rabbi Friedman points to my Lord – I like it If the Jewish Kabbalah points to my Lord – I like it If the Nag Hammadi points to my Lord – I like it
Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse—
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I have attended some very charismatic services Someone standing and babbling on – while another screaming praise the lord People falling to the floor
I have attended some Southern Baptist services People screaming and yelling – shouting for joy
I used to follow Chuck Colsin – he spoke in tongues There are many evangelist preaching healing by laying on of the hands – Benny Hin
Not just in America – but all around the world – Korea / China President Trump’s personal spiritual advisor
Kim Clement – speaks in tongues – makes sounds - Praise
MY OPINION - I believe in all of it (sure there are false prophets)
Babbling on vrs Speaking in Tongues – sometimes when people are wrapped up in praise – they are making joyful noises unto the Lord – I love you God so much I cannot help but scream it out – express it with a noise
(sure there are false prophets) – Sometimes babbling is just babbling
I have not fallen to the floor – thrashed about – screamed out in an unknown language – or healed anyone physically by a touch
But – I believe in the gifts of the spirit And I will not judge
Kim Clement – if Donald Trump ends up being the next President The prophesies of Kim Clement will make him a religious saint / prophet for real
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaks in Adonai’s Name and the word does not happen or come true, that is a word that Adonai has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously—do not be afraid of him.
Question – if Kim Clement was a true prophet of the Lord – then why has he died Answer – because He (Kim Clement) would have become a figure of worship - a man When to true author of the prophecies was God and the worship belongs to God
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 14:09:39 GMT -5
D: "MY OPINION - I believe in all of it (sure there are false prophets)
R Hmm? I have been to a Charismatic Church with a school boy student, because he asked me too, and a fellow there was new from Sydney telling people there how to pray in tongues. I prayed to God "stop him". Later he invited people to a private meeting how to do this. So I also went with my student, his Dad is a preacher, He was there too, and this fellow couldn't do a thing, since I was repelling all he said.
God talks to you all the time in English, why would I need to speak in a foreign language I don't know myself? As for healing using God's power, ask God first, can I do this for you, than confidently heal that person. It's a relationship, and you do communion daily, second by second. God is not silent, nor dead.
When I speak to humans I tend to speak using Baal, not ask GOD what should I say to them now, and let Him prompt me? This is called surrender. the pressing home for His power. surrender of self is our biggest sin every day.
The best from our Hebrew English translator:
" The Jewish age, notwithstanding its apostasies, opened and closed with special manifestations of the spirit of God. And it is not reasonable to suppose that the Christian age, the light of which, compared with the former dispensation, is as the light of the sun to the feeble rays of the moon, should commence in glory, and close in obscurity. And since a special work of the spirit was necessary to prepare a people for the first advent of Christ, how much more so for his second advent.
God has never manifested his power to his people simply for their gratification; but according to their necessities has he wrought for them. Then we may safely conclude that as his people are passing the perils of the last days in the final struggle with the aroused powers of darkness, when false prophets shall have power to show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect, our gracious God will bless and strengthen His fainting people with the gifts, as well as the graces, of the Holy Spirit. "
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2020 14:32:24 GMT -5
I suspect from these words Dave, and Dillion, that you seem to think speaking in tongues is a sign of God's presence with you, and you must desire this? YES! –Pentecost is the Jewish celebration of the day when the Torah came down from the mountain to man Pentecost is the Christian celebration of the indwelling of the HS/Christ YES! Robert all Christians long for this – pray for this – crave for this
You also speak of touching people and healing them?
Mat 10:7 As you go, proclaim, ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near!’ Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those with tza’arat, drive out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
This is a massive faith step, requiring a lot of relationship with Jesus first: Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. Some applications of power from Jesus come with conditions of relationship, such as fervent prayer and fasting.
Why do you make salvation conditional?
I am talking about baby steps first. YES YOU DO – you only goal is the grave
You talk of walk in the Spirit, and born in the Spirit? Yes, but how? YES I DO – my goal is to be in that number – be the first fruits
Sure Paul confronted GOD face to face, and heard him, but than Paul had to respond by doing relationship,,,, what things must I do? There ta go – doing things is worship Did Paul have to respond ?
Question – Paul was whisked up into heaven and met God /Christ in heaven.
2Co 12:3 I know such a man (whether in the body or outside of the body I don’t know—God knows)— 2Co 12:4 he was caught up into Paradise and heard words too sacred to tell, which a human is not permitted to utter.
You suggest that Paul could deny and/or forget his experience If you stick your hand into the fire – you will get burned – fact Never again do you use belief or faith to keep you hand out of the fire – you use gnosis /fact
Everybody has a conscience, a gift of God, where communion can flow. We have all heard GOD speak to our minds personally at least once, so nobody is without excuse.
Flesh = flesh- mind/body is only biology
But HOW do you get more and more of amanuah flowing in your life daily? That is what our study focuses on. Faith is a steadfast belief – an assurance of the thing you hope with conviction
How do you get more faith – I guess by strengthening your belief
What is tongue speaking for? – always – the gifts of the spirit are to facilitate God will on earth
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
the Hebrew torah goes out to other tongues. This is why a Hebrew NT was translated into a Greek NT, because scripture says so. A new tongue went out.
Flesh = Flesh – physical = corporeal
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 14:35:11 GMT -5
Dave asks "Question – Is you wife real? How do you know (gnosis) this? Do you believe it to be true – do you have faith that it is true – or do you know this is true
My wife said, because she talks to you...does things for you...
If a provider provides and a responder responds, than your relationship is real.
SO how do we provide for GOD, so GOD responds to us?
Not by our doing pious works...
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Hosea (Yashuah) 14:2 Take with you words,
This scroll is called Jesus, and in Jesus 14:2 it says, take with you words....
Simple hey?
Lord lead me not into temptation... and bingo the divine flow of power happens immediately as you support GOD, GOD supports you.
Forget not to say Lord control my tongue, He won't, so you shoot off the mouth in Baal. Surrender of self is our biggest sin.
SHalom
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