Post by Dave on Jan 13, 2021 0:13:29 GMT -5
Jan 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5 @robertt said:
There have also been historical dissenters to the Oral Torah in its entirety, including the ancient Sadducees and adherents to modern Karaite Judaism
Sad·du·cee
a member of a Jewish sect or party of the time of Jesus Christ that denied the resurrection of the dead, the existence of spirits, and the obligation of oral tradition, emphasizing acceptance of the written Law alone.
Sadducees deny the afterlife – they deny the spirit and teach salvation by the law only
Pharisees teach the spirit – teach salvation by Divine Pardon by grace – an real and active spirit world and afterlife – and the resurrection
Which group sounds New Testemant?
Jan 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5 @robertt said:
Many modern Karaite Jews have emerged from the Karaite revival of the late 20th century; the World Karaite Movement was founded by Nehemia Gordon and Ḥakham Meir Rekhavi in the early 1990s
What would any of this have to do with the Jewish mind set of the audience of Jesus and the First Century Messianic Christians?
Jan 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5 @robertt said:
So many different kinds of Jews... too much confusion out there.
evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-010-0221-5#:~:text=Nearly%20all%20of%20the%20above,see%20notes%201%20and%203).
30,000 Christian organizations
Nearly all of the above large categories or denominations are further subdivided, to the point that there are more than 30,000 Christian organizations (groups, branches or denominations) worldwide, and more than 1,200 in the U.S. alone.Apr 20, 2010
There are only two basic types of Judaism - Rabbinic and Non-Rabbinic
Non-Rabbinic Judaism—Sadducees, Karaite Judaism, Samaritanism, and Haymanot
Law Only + Talmud and usually anti-Christian
Rabbinic Judaism – is Law + interpretation
Law + Oral Torah + Kabbalah
(Wiki) Chabad, also known as Lubavitch, Habad and Chabad-Lubavitch, is an Orthodox Jewish Hasidic dynasty. Chabad is one of the world's best-known Hasidic movements, particularly for its outreach activities. It is one of the largest Hasidic groups and Jewish religious organizations in the world.
Chabad Judaism = spiritual Judaism and it is mainstream Jewish thought TOADY
Nicodemus was a Pharisee Rabbi – and Jesus spoke to him of spirit
Jan 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5 @robertt said:
Book of Enoch - Interesting
"Therefore, it is inaccurate to conclude that Jude just copied Enoch. It is important to notice that Jude does not quote the first book of Enoch but simply reports that Enoch “prophesied, saying.” That is, Jude is not citing the book of Enoch but the prophet Enoch.
DUH – do you mean to validate Enoch here or discredit? I cannot tell
Jan 12, 2021 13:47:28 GMT -5 @robertt said:
www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/why-is-the-book-of-enoch-not-included-in-the-bible/
Why is the book of Enoch not included in the Bible?
Question to you personally Robert – Why do you need another man’s written opinion to instruct your thinking.
If you have the time – I bet I can post countless – approaching infinity of man’s opinion about the reality of Jesus Christ – I can quote many – thousands – millions of men denying Christ
Should we listen to them? – Should they form our opinions and beliefs for us?
As for the scroll of Enoch, how do you know it was written later after Enoch and a scroll of deception?
It was in print 400 years before the agl was written
It is the second most quoted text inside the agl at 64 verses
The TRURH IS – Enoch was common knowledge to Jesus and all of his audience
After all Enoch would have spoken his messages, not have written them down.
This is why it is called the Oral Law/Torah and it finds itself in the Mid Rash and Kabbalah along with the Testiment of King Solomon
Is it held with the same weihght as Moses or Isaiah - no
Is it totally denied and deemed heresy and error - no
It suppliments
You spend all your time attacking the messenger and avoiding the scripture
If you believe Enoch is just garbage
Please remove the following scripture from your Roman Canon Bible
Book of Enoch - (Ethopic Version)
alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/Book%20of%20Enoch%20NT%20Verses.htm
These are verses from the Book of Enoch that are quoted in the New Testament by Christ and the Apostles, or are otherwise of interest
Enoch 2:1-2 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
Jude 1:14-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(In a dream Enoch is speaking with angels in their tongue and now he was speaking in the tongue of Men)
Enoch 14:1 This is the book of the words of righteousness, and of the reproof of the Watchers, who belong to the world, according to that which He, who is holy and great, commanded in the vision. I perceived in my dream, that I was now speaking with a tongue of flesh, and with my breath, which the Mighty One has put into the mouth of men, that they might converse with it.
Enoch 83:1 1I lifted up my hands in righteousness, and blessed the holy, and the Great One. I spoke with the breath of my mouth, and with a tongue of flesh, which God has formed for all the sons of mortal men, that with it they may speak; giving them breath, a mouth, and a tongue to converse with.
I Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak in the tongues of men and of Angels . . .
(The souls of men complain, saying, Obtain Justice for us with the Most High)
Enoch 9:9-12 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity.And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out. And complain even to the gate of heaven. Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.
Revelation 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
(The phrase King of Kings and Lord of Lords is used 3x’s in the New Testament. The importance of this is that other than in the Book of Enoch this phrase is not found in the Old Testament.)
Enoch 9:2-3 The earth deprived of her children has cried even to the gate of heaven. And now to you, O you holy one of heaven, the souls of men complain, saying, Obtain Justice for us with the Most High. Then they said to their Lord, the King, You are Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings The throne of your glory is for ever and ever, and for ever and ever is your name sanctified and glorified. You are blessed and glorified.
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.……
Enoch 3:1-3 All who are in the heavens know what is transacted there.They know that the heavenly luminaries change not their paths; that each rises and sets regularly, every one at its proper period, without transgressing the commands, which they have received. The behold the earth, and understand what is there transacted, from the beginning to the end of it.They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance.
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Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Enoch 9:9-12 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity. 10And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out. 11And complain even to the gate of heaven. 12Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.
Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Revelation 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Exodus 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Joel 1:18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.
John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.
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John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave.
Romans 8:21-23 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
(I believe that God has left in men groaning and crying. These are largely unintelligible tongues, that enable the heart and spirit of man when overwhelmed to speak to or entreat God. The Baptism of the Spirit opens up to believers a much broader ability to pray directly to God than in groaning and crying, Paul says we with the impartation of God now pray in the spirit, sing in the spirit, intercede in the spirit, to travail in the spirit, and conduct warfare in the spirit. In another sphere there is speaking in diverse tongues and Interpretation of tongues. These are eluded to in the following passage in the book of Enoch.)
Enoch 14:1 This is the book of the words of righteousness, and of the reproof of the Watchers, who belong to the world, according to that which He, who is holy and great, commanded in the vision. I perceived in my dream, that I was now speaking with a tongue of flesh, and with my breath, which the Mighty One has put into the mouth of men, that they might converse with it.
1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
(In the Old Testament there is little distinction made between the languages of men and of angels it is only in the book of Enoch that there is a clear distinction made between conversing with angels conversing in the tongue of men. It should further be noted that this is prior to the tower of Babel – and the Lord further dividing the language of men in order to slow down iniquity and corruption among men.)
Enoch 14:2 And understand with the heart. As he has created and given to men the power of comprehending the word of understanding, so has he created and given to me the power of reproving the Watchers, the offspring of heaven.
(This second verse would seem to refer of the gift of the Spirit -- if we couple this with the first verse about speaking in the tongues of men and of angels this would speak of a comprehension or the ability to interpret those words spoken – or a gift of the interpretation of tongues.)
(Chapter 14 is especially significant because the fallen angels entreat Enoch to pray for them that they might obtain mercy from God – and Enoch takes up their cause, composes a prayer that includes these fallen angels walk with God and Enoch reads it over and over until he falls asleep – Enoch then has a dreams where God instructs him. To me these actions of Enoch are the embodiment of 1 Corinthians 13:1 –Even to a clearly evil race Enoch shows love and mercy.)
Enoch 19 :6-7 But you (Angels) from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever. Therefore I made not wives for you, (The Angels) because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.
Matthew 22:29-30 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Enoch 24:3 (The Tree of Life)Among these there was a tree of an unceasing smell; nor of those which were in Eden was there one of all the fragrant trees which smelt like this. Its leaf, its flower, and its bark never withered, and its fruit was beautiful. . . The fruit of the tree shall be given to the elect
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Enoch 24:2 Then Uriel, one of the holy angels who were with me, replied, This valley is the accursed of the accursed for ever. Here shall be collected all who utter with their mouths unbecoming language against God, and speak harsh things of His glory. Here shall they be collected. Here shall be their territory.
(This is the sin of blasphemeing the Holy Ghost)
Enoch 37:1 This is the commencement of the word of wisdom, which I received to declare.
Enoch 40:3 Then I heard the voices of those upon the four sides magnifying the Lord of glory. The first voice blessed the Lord of spirits for ever and for ever. The second voice I heard blessing the Elect One, and the elect who suffer on account of the Lord of spirits. The third voice I heard petitioning and praying for those who dwell upon earth, and supplicate the name of the Lord of spirits. The fourth voice I heard expelling the impious angels, and prohibiting them from entering into the presence of the Lord of spirits, to prefer accusations against the inhabitants of the earth It would have been better for them, had they never been born.
2 Peter 2:11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Enoch 46:1-3 There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was and why he accompanied the Ancient of days. 2He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.
Revelation 1:13-14And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Enoch 48:1 In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Enoch 60:3-5 The angel, who proceeded with me, said, These are the measures of the righteous; and cords shall the righteous bring, that they may trust in the name of the Lord of spirits for ever and ever. 4The elect shall begin to dwell with the elect. 5And these are the measures which shall be given to faith, and which shall strengthen the words of righteousness.
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Enoch 56:5 Henceforward shall the saints be told to seek in (From) heaven the secrets of righteousness, (and) the portion of faith; for like the sun has it arisen upon the earth,
Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, (from heaven) whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Enoch 48:2-5 In that hour was this Son of man invoked before the Lord of spirits, and his name in the presence of the Ancient of days. 3Before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were formed, his name was invoked in the presence of the Lord of spirits.A support shall He be for the righteous and the holy to lean upon, without falling; and he shall be the light of nations. 4He shall be the hope of those whose hearts are troubled. All, who dwell on earth, shall fall down and worship before him; shall bless and glorify him, and sing praises to the name of the Lord of spirits. 5Therefore the Elect and the Concealed One existed in his presence, before the world was created, and for ever.
Enoch 61:10 for from the beginning the Son of man existed
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
Enoch 48A:1 Wisdom is poured forth like water, and glory fails not before him for ever and ever; for potent is he in all the secrets of righteousness.
1 Corinthians 2:7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the secret wisdom of God, we speak God's wisdom in a mystery. which was hidden in former times, though he made it for our benefit before the world began.
Colossians 2:3 In him lie hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Enoch 48A: 2-3 the Elect One 2stands before the Lord of spirits; and his glory is for ever and ever; and his power from generation to generation. 3With him dwells the spirit of intellectual wisdom, the spirit of instruction and of power,
Enoch 51:6-9 In those days men shall not be saved by gold and by silver. 7Nor shall they have it power in their to secure themselves, and to flee. 8There shall be neither iron for was, nor a coat of mail for the breast. 9Copper shall be useless; useless also that which neither rusts nor consumes away; and lead shall not be coveted.
James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days
Enoch 61:18 The saints and the elect have arisen from the earth, have left off to depress their countenances, and have been clothed with the garment of life. That garment of life is with the Lord of spirits, in whose presence your garment shall not wax old, nor shall your glory diminish.
Enoch 68:9-13 The name of the fourth is Penemue: he discovered to the children of men bitterness and sweetness; 10And pointed out to them every secret of their wisdom. 11He taught men to understand writing, and the use of ink and paper. 12Therefore numerous have been those who have gone astray from every period of the world, even to this day. 13For men were not born for this, thus with pen and with ink to confirm their faith;
Enoch 83:1 I lifted up my hands in righteousness, and blessed the holy, and the Great One. I spoke with the breath of my mouth, and with a tongue of flesh, which God has formed for all the sons of mortal men, that with it they may speak; giving them breath, a mouth, and a tongue to converse with.
1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
(And what does Enoch pray with his holy hands raised?)
Enoch 83:2-4 Blessed are you, O Lord, the King, great and powerful in your greatness, Lord of all the creatures of heaven, King of kings, God of the whole world, whose reign, whose kingdom, and whose majesty endure for ever and ever. From generation to generation shall your dominion exist. All the heavens are your throne forever, and all the earth your footstool forever and forever. 4For you have made them, and over all you reign. No act whatsoever exceeds your power. With your wisdom is unchangeable; nor from your throne and from your presence is it ever averted. You know all things, see and hear them; nor is anything concealed from you; for you perceive all things.
Enoch 91:3 ]Let the righteous man arise from slumber; let him arise, and proceed in the path of righteousness, in all its paths; and let him advance in goodness and eternal clemency. Mercy shall be showed to the righteous man; upon him shall be conferred integrity and power forever. In goodness and in righteousness shall he exist, and shall walk in everlasting light; but sin shall perish in eternal darkness, nor be seen from that time forward for evermore.
Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1 Corinthians 15:34 wake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Enoch 93:7 Those, too, who acquire gold and silver, shall justly and suddenly perish. Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed; because you have not remembered the Most High in the days of your prosperity.
James 5:1-3 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Enoch 96:6-8 Woe to you who squander silver and gold, not obtained in righteousness, and say, We are rich, possess wealth, and have acquired everything which we can desire. 7Now then will we do whatsoever we are disposed to do; for we have amassed silver; our barns are full, and the husbandmen of our families are like overflowing water. 8Like water shall your falsehood pass away; for your wealth will not be permanent, but shall suddenly ascend from you, because you have obtained it all iniquitously; to extreme malediction shall you be delivered up.
Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Enoch 104:2 And that remuneration (gathering)shall take place over the whole earth; for I and my Son will for ever hold communion with them in the paths of uprightness, while they are still alive. Peace shall be yours. Rejoice, children of integrity, in the truth.(The gathering here is clearly the millenial gathering)
John 6:53-58 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Enoch 13:6 Beseeching me to write for them a memorial of supplication, that they might obtain forgiveness; and that I might make the memorial of their prayer ascend up before the God of heaven; because they could not themselves thenceforwards address him, nor raise up their eyes to heaven on account of the disgraceful offence for which they were judged.
Acts 10:4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
Enoch 37:2 And let not us, who come after, obstruct the beginning of wisdom.Until the present period never has there been given before the Lord of spirits that which I have received, wisdom according the capacity of my intellect, and according to the pleasure of the Lord of spirits; that which I have received from him, a portion of life eternal.
(Obstruct = Alter, or stop up, or obscure, Jesus accused the Pharisees of this very crime.)
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered
Enoch 38:2-5 When righteousness shall be manifested in the presence of the righteous themselves, who will be elected for their good works duly weighed by the Lord of spirits; and when the light of the righteous and the elect, who dwell on earth, shall be manifested; where will the habitation of sinners be? And where the place of rest for those who have rejected the Lord of spirits? It would have been better for them, had they never been born.
Romans 8:18-19 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Enoch 39:1[In those days shall the elect and holy race descend from the upper heavens. (This is referring to the second coming and the millenial reign of Christ)
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself (And the elect and the holy race) shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Revelation 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God (This occurs at the millenial reign.)
Enoch 39:4-12 There I saw another vision; I saw the habitations and resting places of the saints. There my eyes beheld their habitations with the angels, and their resting places with the holy ones. They were entreating, supplicating, and praying for the sons of men; while righteousness like water flowed before them, and mercy like dew was scattered over the earth. And thus shall it be with them for ever and for ever.At that time my eyes beheld the dwelling of the elect, of truth, faith, and righteousness. 6Countless shall be the number of the holy and the elect, in the presence of God for ever and for ever.7Their residence I beheld under the wings of the Lord of spirits. All the holy and the elect sung before him, in appearance like a blaze of fire; their mouths being full of blessings, and their lips glorifying the name of the Lord of spirits. And righteousness incessantly dwelt before him. 8There was I desirous of remaining, and my soul longed for that habitation There was my antecedent inheritance (This is the foretaste of our inheritance Paul speaks of.) ; for thus had I prevailed before the Lord of spirits. At that time I glorified and extolled the name of the Lord of spirits with blessing and with praise; for he has established it with blessing and with praise, according to his own good pleasure. 10That place long did my eyes contemplate. I blessed and said, Blessed be he, blessed from the beginning for ever. In the beginning, before the world was created, and without end is his knowledge. 11What is this world? Of every existing generation those shall bless you who do not spiritually sleep but stand before your glory, blessing, glorifying, exalting you, and saying, The holy, holy, Lord of spirits, fills the whole world of spirits. 12There my eyes beheld all who, without sleeping, stand before him and bless him, saying, Blessed be you, and blessed be the name of God for ever and for ever. Then my countenance became changed, until I was incapable of seeing.(There are numerous verses in the new testament about us being changed and receving a glorious body)
John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
(The translators have intentionally misinterpreted the word dwelling place or habitation as the carnal, earthly and lust of the flesh, and love of the things of the world word “Mansion” From the book of Enoch we can clearly see that this passage is not speaking of Mansions” of becoming wealthy landowners and possessing streets of gold in heaven. This is about dwelling with Christ and God.)
Also Holy Holy Holy the whole earth is full of his glory --is in this passage
Isaiah 6:2-4 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Further David speaks of being under the shadow of his wing.
Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy loving kindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast
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(Moses was to build the tabernacle to show heavenly things. Now I see that the Holy of Holies was to be where the elect were. Therefore was David not struck dead nor the singers and people he appointed, and therefore could have the prophets and any that were Holy before the lord entered the Holy of Holies.)
Enoch 40:5 The second voice I heard blessing the Elect One, and the elect who suffer on account of the Lord of spirits. (A reference to Christ's suffering)
Enoch 41:6 The course of the moon’s path to the righteous is light, but to sinners it is darkness; in the name of the Lord of spirits, who created a division between light and darkness, and, separating the spirits of men, strengthened the spirits of the righteous in the name of his own righteousness. 7Nor does the angel prevent this, neither is he endowed with the power of preventing it;
John 1:4-5 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 3:18-20 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Enoch 42:1-2 Wisdom found not a place on earth where she could inhabit; her dwelling therefore is in heaven. 2 Wisdom went forth to dwell among the sons of men, but she obtained not a habitation. Wisdom returned to her place, and seated herself in the midst of the angels, But iniquity went forth after her return, who unwillingly found a habitation, and resided among them, as rain in the desert, and as a dew in a thirsty land.
James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Enoch 60:14-15 14 Shall raise their united voice; shall bless, glorify, praise, and exalt with the spirit of faith, with the spirit of wisdom and patience, with the spirit of mercy, with the spirit of judgment and peace, and with the spirit of benevolence; all shall say with united voice; Blessed is He; and the name of the Lord of spirits shall be blessed for ever and for ever; all, who sleep not, shall bless it in heaven above. 15All the holy in heaven shall bless it; all the elect who dwell in the garden of life; and every spirit of light, who is capable of blessing, glorifying, exalting, and praising your holy name; and every mortal man, more than the powers of heaven, shall glorify and bless your name for ever and ever.
(Spirit of Faith, Spirit of Patience, Spirit of Wisdom, Spirit of Mercy, Spirit of Judgment Spirit of Peace, and the Spirit of Benevolence, = The Seven Spirits of God -- Referenced in the Book of Revelation)
Enoch 61:2-3 2The Lord of spirits sat upon the throne of his glory. 3And the spirit of righteousness was poured out over him. The word of his mouth shall destroy all the sinners and all the ungodly, who shall perish at his presence.
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Enoch 61:8-10 One portion of them shall look upon another. They shall be astonished, and shall humble their countenance; And trouble shall seize them, when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory. Then shall the kings, the princes, and all who possess the earth, glorify him who has dominion over all things, him who was concealed; for from the beginning the Son of man existed in secret, whom the Most High preserved in the presence of his power, and revealed to the elect. (Jesus Christ)
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(This is a reference to entire chapters the book of Enoch where in graphic detail the sins of 200 angels that cohabited with women are discussed – their utter corruption of man, their offspring of flesh and spirit and their destruction, and the judgment that fell upon these angels.)
Enoch 70:13-15 Then I fell upon my face, while all my flesh was dissolved, and my spirit became changed. 14 (Being changed) I cried out with a loud voice, with a powerful spirit, blessing, glorifying, and exalting. 15And those blessings, which proceeded from my mouth, became acceptable in the presence of the Ancient of days.
(This is another passage telling us of Enoch experiencing worshipping God in Spirit an in truth.)
John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
(Note that only after this change in Enoch’s spirit occurred was he able to cry out in a loud voice with a powerful spirit blessing glorifying and exalting that was acceptable to the Lord. Or songs worship and praise fall woefully short – our praise and worship are carnal and would seem to primarily benefit ourselves – adjusting our spirit so we can receive of God’s presence.)
Enoch 79:2 And all things have I revealed to you. You see the sun, the moon, and those which conduct the stars of heaven, which cause all their operations, seasons, and arrivals to return. 3In the days of sinners the years shall be shortened. 4Their seed shall be backward in their prolific soil; and everything done on earth shall be subverted, and disappear in its season. The rain shall be restrained, and heaven shall stand still. 5In those days the fruits of the earth shall be late, and not flourish in their season; and in their season the fruits of the trees shall be withholden. 6The moon shall change its laws, and not be seen at its proper period. But in those days shall heaven be seen; and barrenness shall take place in the borders of the great chariots in the west. Heaven shall shine more than when illuminated by the orders of light; while many chiefs among the stars of authority shall err, perverting their ways and works. 7Those shall not appear in their season, who commanded them, and all the classes of the stars shall be shut up against sinners. 8The thoughts of those who dwell on the earth shall transgress within them; and they shall be perverted in all their ways. 9They shall transgress, and think themselves (85) gods; while evil shall be multiplied among them. 10And punishment shall come upon them, so that all of them shall be destroyed.
Isaiah 13:9-11 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Ezekiel 32:6-8 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee. And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.
Joel 2:9-11 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Matthew 24:28-30 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Revelation 8:6-13 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Enoch 80:6 At that time I said, Blessed is the man, who shall die righteous and good, against whom no catalogue of crime has been written, and with whom iniquity is not found.
Romans 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Enoch 80:8 Explain everything to Mathusala your son; and inform all your children, that no flesh shall be justified before the Lord; for he is their Creator.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Enoch 96:23 Woe to you who frustrate the word of the righteous; for to you there shall be no hope of life.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Enoch 96 24-25 Woe to you who write down the word of falsehood, and the word of the wicked; for their falsehood they record, that they may hear and not forget folly. To them there shall be no peace; but they shall surely die suddenly.
Enoch 104:7-9 Now will I point out a mystery: Many sinners shall turn and transgress against the word of uprightness. They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. But when they shall write all my words correctly in their own languages, 9They shall neither change or diminish them; but shall write them all correctly; all which from the first I have uttered concerning them.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work --
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Enoch 104:10-11Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe; And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.
1 Timothy 3:16 [/B]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: