Post by Dave on Jan 6, 2021 10:55:56 GMT -5
D In all of God’s creation – there is only one special creature that can choose to love God back of their own Free Will = man
R What? SO in the billions of planets, trillions of worlds, nothing exists with free will except man? Not even angels?
Why not? You limit the vast complexity of love don't you?
To me trillions of other planets have princes on them, each sinless and unfallen, these beings look similar to humans, but are not similar, they are creatures able to love God freely because they choose to. Just as angels also freely love God because they choose to.
I understand exactly who you are – and I know your real purpose
When you cannot answer a question – you shift gears and change the topic
Gnostic = a multi-verse of 10 dimensions filled with life forms
Man = a 3D creature of this dimension / uni-verse that can choose
The Torah we study is written for man of planet earth
It is not a guide book for angels – only man
Gnostic – this universe is filled with life – of the right hand and of the left hand
Gnostic – archon are the UFO and alien little green men
American sleeping prophet Edgar Casey said
When asked – what of the second coming of Christ?
His answer from a SLEEPING TRANCE – WE WILL SEE THE Son of man return as He departed and what he has done for this world – He has done for many worlds
More than once I have spoken of my science fiction novel I would love to write
Astronauts finding evidence of life in the ruins of a distant planet
Man-made ancient ruins with writings
All the atheistic language experts gather to decipher this alien writing
And when they do it says = “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
In previous posts you admit some angels sinned. Yes this proves they have free will, because they choose to sin.
Again I will say this – but again you will not listen to scripture
1- No angel sinned then came to earth – there is no scripture that says their sin was coming to earth
2 – They are referred to as angels because they are ‘bane elohym’ heavenly beings
3- their sin came after the took on mortal form – after then came to earth as physical beings
4- what happens to spirit beings that come to live in this world or mortality with yester ra – they sin
This does not prove angels sin in heaven - absolutly not
This does prove - that spirit beings that take on mortasl form are corruptted by the yester ra of being physicial - of this world
You say these angels are all chained up awaiting judgement.
Jude and Peter say it and I believe scripture
Not all are chained up Dave, many are free to work with the chief archon sinning angel, to help humans to sin, just as these angels also love to sin.
Without addition information from outside of your Torah – you cannot say this
I am so confused as to which Robert to follow
Torah only you say – why don’t every one read the Torah the way you do
Then you tell me
The Hebrew writings are full of vomit, drunk priests, lies, so whom will teach us?
Why did the NT torah come, from 'a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: ' ? Because the torah had become full of vomit, drunk priests, etc.
You tell me – my Gnostic writing are poison
Yet you use the Book of Jubilees – of the Jewish Mid-Rash / and Coptic Broader Canon to make your point
Book of Jubilees Chapter 10
D How is a lie a choice for God or not
If I tell Ugly Betty that she looks pretty today – does this mean I refuse to love God?
When my wife asks if her ass is fat – if I do not hurt her feeling or my marriage – does this mean I do not choose God?
D But – If I say I am 6 foot tall when I am only 5’10” – does this mean I hate God
R Hmm? Blah blah blah using self powers (hence you are broken off having contact with God) Blah blah blah a personal connection to God, God to tell you what to say Blah blah blah relational based. Blah blah blah Does this help answer your question?
If you speak using Baal master powers Blah blah blah of Self, Blah blah blah alone without God Blah blah blah influencing your words, Blah blah blah we must press close to GOD and touch HIm every time we speak, Blah blah blah so they are His words, not our words, Blah blah blah a community based voice Blah blah blah Get the idea?
NO – is it a sin? Yes or no – you say it is simple - choose
Please define sin again –
D: "This proves you have a pantheon of three individual Gods
R Why does it prove 'a pantheon of three individual Gods'?
The Father the Son and the HS all do things as a community based flow of power,
Your doctrine - And it requires them to be separated gods so love can exist between them -
D: "I will not disagree – if Jesus would have taken satan’s offer – then Jesus Christ would have been just a man like the rest of us – because all men are sinners
R Some bad past in your Catholic experience is preventing you from seeing this opposing angel tried to oppose the divinity in Christ, that is the only way Jesus could have sinned, to use his divinity over his humanity inside of Him.
For some bad doctrine in your present forces you to mock scripture
Mat 4:1 Then Yeshua was led by the Ruach into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
BOOM – why did this even happen?
Answer – deliberately part of God’s Plan / God’s Will
Question – did your satan lure Jesus Christ there – NO – God did
Mat 4:2 After He had fasted for forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are Ben-Elohim, tell these stones to become bread.”
Mat 4:4 But He replied, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
This is a test of his divinity – this is a test of Christ
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Christ did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
Mat 4:5 Then the devil took Him into the holy city and placed Him on the highest point of the Temple.
Mat 4:6 “If You are Ben-Elohim,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written, ‘He shall command His angels concerning you,’ and ‘upon their hands they shall lift you up, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Mat 4:7 Yeshua said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put Adonai your God to the test.’”
This is a test of his divinity – this is a test of Christ
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Christ did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil takes Him to a very high mountain and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
Mat 4:9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.”
This is a test of Jesus the Son of Man – an offer of worldly health, wealth, and fame – power over man – all the kingdoms = all of it worldly – of this world
Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua says to him, “Go away, satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship Adonai your God, and Him only shall you serve.’”
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Jesus did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
I see man as (Soul + (Mind/Body) - Jesus Christ - (God + (Jesus))= Jesus Christ
There is a spiritual element - and a mortal element
You say man and Jesus are just an animal with memories - your Jesus = (Mind/Body)only
I agree with you, no angel can oppose GOD telling God what to do, but nevertheless one angel did sin, making millions of other angels sin, causing a sin problem for God.
Roman Catholic Mythology – not scriptural
R What? SO in the billions of planets, trillions of worlds, nothing exists with free will except man? Not even angels?
Why not? You limit the vast complexity of love don't you?
To me trillions of other planets have princes on them, each sinless and unfallen, these beings look similar to humans, but are not similar, they are creatures able to love God freely because they choose to. Just as angels also freely love God because they choose to.
I understand exactly who you are – and I know your real purpose
When you cannot answer a question – you shift gears and change the topic
Gnostic = a multi-verse of 10 dimensions filled with life forms
Man = a 3D creature of this dimension / uni-verse that can choose
The Torah we study is written for man of planet earth
It is not a guide book for angels – only man
Gnostic – this universe is filled with life – of the right hand and of the left hand
Gnostic – archon are the UFO and alien little green men
American sleeping prophet Edgar Casey said
When asked – what of the second coming of Christ?
His answer from a SLEEPING TRANCE – WE WILL SEE THE Son of man return as He departed and what he has done for this world – He has done for many worlds
More than once I have spoken of my science fiction novel I would love to write
Astronauts finding evidence of life in the ruins of a distant planet
Man-made ancient ruins with writings
All the atheistic language experts gather to decipher this alien writing
And when they do it says = “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
In previous posts you admit some angels sinned. Yes this proves they have free will, because they choose to sin.
Again I will say this – but again you will not listen to scripture
1- No angel sinned then came to earth – there is no scripture that says their sin was coming to earth
2 – They are referred to as angels because they are ‘bane elohym’ heavenly beings
3- their sin came after the took on mortal form – after then came to earth as physical beings
4- what happens to spirit beings that come to live in this world or mortality with yester ra – they sin
This does not prove angels sin in heaven - absolutly not
This does prove - that spirit beings that take on mortasl form are corruptted by the yester ra of being physicial - of this world
You say these angels are all chained up awaiting judgement.
Jude and Peter say it and I believe scripture
Not all are chained up Dave, many are free to work with the chief archon sinning angel, to help humans to sin, just as these angels also love to sin.
Without addition information from outside of your Torah – you cannot say this
I am so confused as to which Robert to follow
Torah only you say – why don’t every one read the Torah the way you do
Then you tell me
Jan 5, 2021 14:23:13 GMT -5 @robertt said:
The Hebrew writings are full of vomit, drunk priests, lies, so whom will teach us?
Why did the NT torah come, from 'a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: ' ? Because the torah had become full of vomit, drunk priests, etc.
You tell me – my Gnostic writing are poison
Yet you use the Book of Jubilees – of the Jewish Mid-Rash / and Coptic Broader Canon to make your point
Book of Jubilees Chapter 10
D How is a lie a choice for God or not
If I tell Ugly Betty that she looks pretty today – does this mean I refuse to love God?
When my wife asks if her ass is fat – if I do not hurt her feeling or my marriage – does this mean I do not choose God?
D But – If I say I am 6 foot tall when I am only 5’10” – does this mean I hate God
R Hmm? Blah blah blah using self powers (hence you are broken off having contact with God) Blah blah blah a personal connection to God, God to tell you what to say Blah blah blah relational based. Blah blah blah Does this help answer your question?
If you speak using Baal master powers Blah blah blah of Self, Blah blah blah alone without God Blah blah blah influencing your words, Blah blah blah we must press close to GOD and touch HIm every time we speak, Blah blah blah so they are His words, not our words, Blah blah blah a community based voice Blah blah blah Get the idea?
NO – is it a sin? Yes or no – you say it is simple - choose
Please define sin again –
D: "This proves you have a pantheon of three individual Gods
R Why does it prove 'a pantheon of three individual Gods'?
The Father the Son and the HS all do things as a community based flow of power,
Your doctrine - And it requires them to be separated gods so love can exist between them -
D: "I will not disagree – if Jesus would have taken satan’s offer – then Jesus Christ would have been just a man like the rest of us – because all men are sinners
R Some bad past in your Catholic experience is preventing you from seeing this opposing angel tried to oppose the divinity in Christ, that is the only way Jesus could have sinned, to use his divinity over his humanity inside of Him.
For some bad doctrine in your present forces you to mock scripture
Mat 4:1 Then Yeshua was led by the Ruach into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
BOOM – why did this even happen?
Answer – deliberately part of God’s Plan / God’s Will
Question – did your satan lure Jesus Christ there – NO – God did
Mat 4:2 After He had fasted for forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are Ben-Elohim, tell these stones to become bread.”
Mat 4:4 But He replied, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
This is a test of his divinity – this is a test of Christ
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Christ did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
Mat 4:5 Then the devil took Him into the holy city and placed Him on the highest point of the Temple.
Mat 4:6 “If You are Ben-Elohim,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written, ‘He shall command His angels concerning you,’ and ‘upon their hands they shall lift you up, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Mat 4:7 Yeshua said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put Adonai your God to the test.’”
This is a test of his divinity – this is a test of Christ
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Christ did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil takes Him to a very high mountain and shows Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
Mat 4:9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.”
This is a test of Jesus the Son of Man – an offer of worldly health, wealth, and fame – power over man – all the kingdoms = all of it worldly – of this world
Mat 4:10 Then Yeshua says to him, “Go away, satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship Adonai your God, and Him only shall you serve.’”
But – it is not a test – it is answered with scripture – no test taken
Jesus did not pass this test – he did not fail this test – because he didn’t take this test
I see man as (Soul + (Mind/Body) - Jesus Christ - (God + (Jesus))= Jesus Christ
There is a spiritual element - and a mortal element
You say man and Jesus are just an animal with memories - your Jesus = (Mind/Body)only
I agree with you, no angel can oppose GOD telling God what to do, but nevertheless one angel did sin, making millions of other angels sin, causing a sin problem for God.
Roman Catholic Mythology – not scriptural