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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2022 18:00:20 GMT -5
Why do you have to make your view so difficult, convoluted and confusing?
You say "YES – after the quickening – after the change from earthly clothing of flesh to heavenly clothing" So you allow in heaven a sinless biology AFTER it is Quickened.... DUH, my view all along, WHAT – after quickening - that will happen in the twinkling of an eye – we will be changed It has not yet been revealed – what that form will be – but we will be as Christ is NOT 3D biology
"No such thing as 3D physical incorruptibility – all matter come with entropy" And you write this is such brief brevity that nobody understands you I quote scripture to you – and you try your best to deny it Discussion – matter = entropy = corruptible = will all pass away No matter / biology in heaven
So what am I supposed to do with your Gnostic quote? I quote agl/NT scripture to you – and you try your best to deny it Discussion – matter = entropy = corruptible = will all pass away No matter / biology in heaven ------------------------------ Notice the subtle way the Gnostic view misquotes Scripture
"D" Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.
This is a poetry simile This is a reference to the spiritual -----------------------------------
D" Free Will is the choice between God and World If you become a plumber or a teacher – has nothing to do with FREE WILL To eat meat or not – has nothing to do with FREE WILL To turn left or right at an intersection – has nothing to do with FREE WILL R" You need to define "Free Will" REPEAT - D" Free Will is the choice between God and World
D"FREE WILL – is the ability to choose God or WORLD – I have always said this R" OK but this is nothing to do with programming.... creatures are not programmed Dave, nor robotic.... ---------------------------------
RP" Can't YHWH-people become "spiritual Jews" not literal people living in Judea. D" YES – the entire POINT of Jesus Christ and Christianity R" OK so why raise the weird questions than? Why do you refuse to answer why your feel good god of love left the 99% to other gods
RP" R" Than the book of Enoch should be inspired than, and thus included in the common received Hebrew torah.... why wasn't it, if copied from that far back? D" No answer. You copies other stuff? The Book of Enoch was common knowledge at the time of Jesus Christ Quoted 64 times within the agl/NT Jude spek of the Prophesy of Enoch – but you were to seriouse to ever watch that video – or read that text
Your only argument is to attack the source
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 14:28:58 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" It has not yet been revealed – what that form will be – but we will be as Christ is NOT 3D biology.R" Do you support this? That Jesus is in heaven, not in 3D biology? , but some form we do not know? D" Discussion – matter = entropy = corruptible = will all pass away No matter / biology in heavenR" Do you support the idea that there is no matter allowed even in heaven, because matter always comes with entropy? Do you support the idea that there is no biology allowed even in heaven, because even sinless biology always comes with entropy? Please answer both questions. ------------------------------------------ "D" Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.R" Do you support the idea that The blood of Jesus is the Holy Spirit? D" This is a reference to the spiritualR" Please explain. Vanguard is a secular magazine ... www.vanguardngr.com/2017/09/blood-jesus-holy-spirit-3/#:~:text=The%20physical%20blood%20that%20%E2%80%9Cpoured%20out%E2%80%9D%20of%20Jesus%E2%80%99,brings%20to%20our%20remembrance%20the%20words%20of%20Jesus. The physical blood that “poured out” of Jesus’ body on the cross of Calvary was symbolic. The real blood of the covenant that Jesus poured out for the forgiveness of sins is the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that administers the forgiveness of sins. On a daily systematic basis, he brings to our remembrance the words of Jesus.
Jesus said at the Last Supper: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28). This means Jesus’ blood of the covenant is not intended for all but for many. Therefore, he cannot be referring to a sacrifice for sins, as presumed in classical Christian doctrine. In that doctrine, Jesus blood provides atonement for all. For example, Paul says Jesus provides “a ransom for all.” (1 Timothy 2:6).
The Holy Spirit is our passport and gateway to the new life in the kingdom of God. Rob" Are these any sentences here you support Dave? ---------------------------------------- D"REPEAT - D" Free Will is the choice between God and World
D"FREE WILL – is the ability to choose God or WORLD – I have always said thisR" Why have you mislead me with this idea of "robotic creatures and "programming" Your theory about this is WRONG. Prove to me angels in heaven are "robotic with programming" than? Prove to me the Archon creatures are "robotic with programming" than? You are just admitting that ALL creatures have intelligence to think, reason and act with their minds, to choose to follow their programming within the DNA God gave them. You have to prove to me that some creatures have parts of their full intelligence left out, "ie why do angels have yester ra left out of their intelligence". You have to prove to me that some creatures have parts of their full intelligence left out, "ie why do archons have yester TOV left out of their intelligence". Why can't all higher forms of intelligence have also the ability to choose GOD, or to disobey GOD? I have a verse that answers all these questions, but you choose to ignore this verse, so automatically you cannot get the Hebrew torah to help you, and your Gnostic writings will not be detailed enough to answer the questions either. Am I correct?
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2022 20:15:21 GMT -5
D"It has not yet been revealed – what that form will be – but we will be as Christ is NOT 3D biology. R" Do you support this? That Jesus is in heaven, not in 3D biology? , but some form we do not know? Of course I do – it is exactly what scripture says
D"Discussion – matter = entropy = corruptible = will all pass away No matter / biology in heaven R" Do you support the idea that there is no matter allowed even in heaven, because matter always comes with entropy? Of course I do – it is exactly what scripture says
1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
YEP – not sure what we will be – but we will change
1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
YEP – no biology in heaven
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last shofar. For the shofar will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
KIJV – calls it the quickening
Do you support the idea that there is no biology allowed even in heaven, because even sinless biology always comes with entropy?
Stated in a different way Man = is a 3 dimensional being of this 3 dimensional world The archon live / exist in a higher dimension than ours – they can appear and disappear The angels occupy the 7 heaven above – each heaven / dimension = a different type of being / angelic being The visions of the angels have 4 faces – 6 faces – because they are multidimensional
In the higher dimensions / heaven – NO 3D biology ------------------------------------------
"D" Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. R" Do you support the idea that The blood of Jesus is the Holy Spirit? D"This is a reference to the spiritual R" Please explain.
The Context here is Communion Unleven bread and wine – is a religious ritual Roberts thinks it a sin to celebrate the Eucharist – he probably uses grape juice True communion = SPIRIT to Spirit - the Holy Spirit + your spirit – the promised comforter The Context here is Communion – the Baptism of the Holy Spirit – to be Born Again The WORD the body of Christ The Blood the Spirit of Christ
Vanguard is a secular magazine ... The physical blood that “poured out” of Jesus’ body on the cross of Calvary was symbolic. The real blood of the covenant that Jesus poured out for the forgiveness of sins is the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that administers the forgiveness of sins. On a daily systematic basis, he brings to our remembrance the words of Jesus.
This is written by a Trinity believer – God = Holy Spirit = Christ
Jesus said at the Last Supper: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28). This means Jesus’ blood of the covenant is not intended for all but for many. Therefore, he cannot be referring to a sacrifice for sins, as presumed in classical Christian doctrine. In that doctrine, Jesus blood provides atonement for all. For example, Paul says Jesus provides “a ransom for all.” (1 Timothy 2:6).
The Holy Spirit is our passport and gateway to the new life in the kingdom of God.
the covenant is not intended for all but for many. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit – to be Born Again – the only real COMMUNION ----------------------------------------
D"REPEAT - D" Free Will is the choice between God and World D"FREE WILL – is the ability to choose God or WORLD – I have always said this R" Why have you mislead me with this idea of "robotic creatures and "programming" I do not have robot creature – I have always denied your robot example
Prove to me angels in heaven are "robotic with programming" than? Prove to me that cows, pigs, chickens, ants, and termites are robots – they operate within the limits of their abilities
Angels are NOT robots – they operate within the limits of their abilities
Prove to me the Archon creatures are "robotic with programming" than? Archon are not robots – they operate within the limits of their abilities
You are just admitting that ALL creatures have intelligence to think, reason and act with their minds, to choose to follow their programming within the DNA God gave them. YES – all creatures have a brain – all creatures think and reason – within their abilities
"ie why do angels have yester ra left out of their intelligence". Because they are NOT biology – that need to survive and multiply within this world
Go be fruitful and multiply – where is this commandment for angels?
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Post by Richard on Aug 15, 2022 4:28:41 GMT -5
Vanguard is a secular magazine ... The physical blood that “poured out” of Jesus’ body on the cross of Calvary was symbolic. The real blood of the covenant that Jesus poured out for the forgiveness of sins is the Holy Spirit.
This is written by a Trinity believer – God = Holy Spirit = Christ
Joh 16:6 But because I have spoken these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. Joh 16:8 And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jesus said at the Last Supper: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28). This means Jesus’ blood of the covenant is not intended for all but for many. Therefore, he cannot be referring to a sacrifice for sins, as presumed in classical Christian doctrine. In that doctrine, Jesus blood provides atonement for all. For example, Paul says Jesus provides “a ransom for all.” (1 Timothy 2:6).
the covenant is not intended for all but for many. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit – to be Born Again – the only real COMMUNION
The Holy Spirit is our passport and gateway to the new life in the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew. Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Prayers for Salman Rushdie
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Post by Dave on Aug 15, 2022 13:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 15:11:37 GMT -5
Greetings gentlemen....
Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The disciples saw a 3D biological form of Jesus, that ate food, walked through walls, had scars on his hands, was touched by Thomas, they saw the same Jesus in this form go to heaven, and the verse says the same form comes back from heaven as the same form that went into heaven.
1Jo 3:2 (YLT) beloved, now, children of God are we, and it was not yet manifested what we shall be, and we have known that if he may be manifested, like him we shall be, because we shall see him as he is;
The verse you love to quote is confusing....What we shall be, may refer to our functions as sons of God, like the angels have, not necessarily to an unknown spirit body as you claim . The context is about overcoming all sins, being sinless. Do we have any idea what being sinless means?
How do we make harmony from these two Scriptures as we have to, line upon line remember?
Question: Did manna come from heaven? Does God live in heaven? Why did God make tons of manna from heaven, as a miracle, if nothing eats this food? There are examples of angels eating food. There is an example of Jesus eating food before He went to heaven, after the Cross.
Maybe your meaning of "spirit" is wrong?
Maybe the "biological spirit" is a different biology beyond understanding? where we have no entropy, no need to breathe air.... something not revealed to us? By the way prophets in vision are biological but do not breathe air, yet for hours they spoke without breathing out expired air. Moses too spent long with God,, no drinking or eating... biological spirit... beyond understanding.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 15, 2022 17:59:02 GMT -5
Question: Did manna come from heaven? Does God live in heaven? Why did God make tons of manna from heaven, as a miracle, if nothing eats this food? There are examples of angels eating food. – on earth in this WORLD There is an example of Jesus eating food before He went to heaven, after the Cross. - On earth in this WORLD
If you demand that the manna came from heaven and is “Angel Food” Then so did the meat come from heaven as angel food If you claim your angels ate meat in heaven then your satan changed all their DNA
If the fowl fell from the “sky” so did the manna AND - it has nothing to do with the diet of angels
Or is heaven a polyseminous word two verses apart? One verse is means a sky of air - a corporeal atmosphere One verse it means the heavens – an ethereal realm
Maybe your meaning of "spirit" is wrong? You deny th spirit and think all scripture is just about a WORLD of biology
Maybe the "biological spirit" is a different biology beyond understanding? Word game – no such thing – Now you are just denying Jesus Christ Himself - Christian
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 15:06:21 GMT -5
Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
So your deny the plain reading of this text.
You admit on earth Thomas felt Jesus 3D body as biology You admit Jesus on earth ate food in front of the disciples You admit Jesus on earth , walked through walls in His 3D body. You admit Jesus left them from earth, in the same old body He had on earth.
But somehow Jesus changed His body when out of sight, is that it? Is this another verse you ignore?
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
This verse says Jesus has to be our high priest in order "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
DO you agree with this verse?
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens,
DO you agree with this verse?
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Jesus offered up Himself. He did this by becoming fully 3D biologically human, in order to become our High Priest.
Heb 8:1 ¶ Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
This High Priest sits down on the right hand of the Father, and minister in a heavenly sanctuary for sinnings of His people, even sinnings His people do now.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
The high Priest has to OFFER something for the "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
SO Jesus comes into the heavenly Sanctuary, "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
He enter the most holy place with His own blood (DUH 3D biological blood) that was shed once on the Cross, yes, but is now also required to be placed over the true mercy seat where the Father resides on His throne.
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
I believe this is the only verse that speaks of the "eternal Ruwach", but the blood of Jesus is applied via the RUWACH into all who seek His salvation in our conscience.
Heb 9:15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
SO the High Priest must become a NEW mediator of the New testament, so this requires the body that was sacrificed for sin-offering to be functioning in the heavenly sanctuary... But the sacrifice was made only once for sin-offering on the Cross.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
So Jesus offered his body before the Father, to show the High Priest function, worthy of praise for "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
This new testament requires Jesus to be in His old 3D biological body that was slain for sin-offering ; "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often,
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
And when Jesus appears to redeem those who by faith seek His atoning grace, Jesus has to appear in the body of the new testament, that guarantees this Salvation. So in fact Jesus retains this 3D biological body for all eternity, because the saints are forever attached to their Saviour through His death and His resurrection
Now this message of the High Priest in heaven in a heavenly sanctuary is unique to the SDA mind I think? And is the strongest reason why Jesus has a 3D biological body, carrying RA-scars of sin for eternity, is very important for our salvation. You cannot remove this body, otherwise you remove our salvation as well.
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
To redeem humans from mischief, there is a eternal life penalty for eternal life. The laws of GOD are never temporary in nature, they are eternal and unchangeable.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2022 16:01:57 GMT -5
Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, YEP – the exact same entity
shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. In a LIKE MANNER – we will be change like Him – the quickening – in the twinkle of an eye
You admit Jesus on earth , walked through walls in His 3D body. PROOF – He was no longer 3D biology like you and I Either He walked through walls – or He appeared out of thin air PROOF – He was no longer 3D biology like you and I
You admit on earth Thomas felt Jesus 3D body as biology I ADMIT – He was changed – not the same – different – no longer limited by 3D reality
You admit Jesus on earth ate food in front of the disciples
You admit Jesus left them from earth, in the same old body He had on earth. Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. In a LIKE MANNER – we will be change like Him – the quickening – in the twinkle of an eye
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. This verse says Jesus has to be our high priest in order "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." HIGH PRIEST – sure as in Christ = God / as in Christ atoned for the sins of all mankind
Jesus offered up Himself. He did this by becoming fully 3D biologically human, in order to become our High Priest. Jesus was always 100% biology – Son of Man
This High Priest sits down on the right hand of the Father, and minister in a heavenly sanctuary for sinnings of His people, even sinnings His people do now. DUH – Christ is the Right Hand of God
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
SO Jesus comes into the heavenly Sanctuary, "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." CHRIST did – Jesus is biology
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
I believe this is the only verse that speaks of the "eternal Ruwach", but the blood of Jesus is applied via the RUWACH into all who seek His salvation in our conscience.
Heb 9:14 how much more shall the blood of the Christ (who through the age-during Spirit did offer himself unblemished to God) purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
The Blood of Christ associated with the Holy Spirit – NOT Gnostic – New Testament The sacrifice was accomplished spiritually To facilitate God’s Will (promise) on earth – to seve the Living God
Paul the lawyer – is not 1st year Greek – Heb 9:11-14 – is one long sentence
Heb 9:11 Χριστὸς δὲ παραγενόμενος ἀρχιερεὺς τῶν μελλόντων ἀγαθῶν διὰ τῆς μείζονος καὶ τελειοτέρας σκηνῆς, οὐ χειροποιήτου, τοῦτ᾿ ἔστιν οὐ ταύτης τῆς κτίσεως, Heb 9:12 οὐδὲ δι᾿ αἵματος τράγων καὶ μόσχων, διὰ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος, εἰσῆλθεν ἐφάπαξ εἰς τὰ ἅγια, αἰωνίαν λύτρωσιν εὑράμενος. Heb 9:13 εἰ γὰρ τὸ αἷμα ταύρων καὶ τράγων καὶ σποδὸς δαμάλεως ῥαντίζουσα τοὺς κεκοινωμένους ἁγιάζει πρὸς τὴν τῆς σαρκὸς καθαρότητα, Heb 9:14 πόσῳ μᾶλλον τὸ αἷμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὃς διὰ Πνεύματος αἰωνίου ἑαυτὸν προσήνεγκεν ἄμωμον τῷ Θεῷ καθαριεῖ τὴν συνείδησιν ἡμῶν ἀπὸ νεκρῶν ἔργων εἰς τὸ λατρεύειν Θεῷ ζῶντι;
Heb 9:15 ¶ And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
SO the High Priest must become a NEW mediator of the New testament OK – The Cross and Resurrection opened the door to the Divine pardon to all – agl/NT Gospel
so this requires the body that was sacrificed for sin-offering to be functioning in the heavenly sanctuary... TO – satisfy all ahl/OT nuances
But the sacrifice was made only once for sin-offering on the Cross. YES – ONCE FOT ALL
This new testament requires Jesus to be in His old 3D biological body that was slain for sin-offering ; "to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." SORRY Robert – ONCE FOR ALL Why do you want to nail Christ to the cross every day? SORRY Robert – ONCE FOR ALL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 14:08:03 GMT -5
D" PROOF – He was no longer 3D biology like you and IR" Can't 3D biology go through walls Dave? Ask anything in faith, and God will do it, torah says. 3D biology walked on water. so did Peter until his faith failed. Philip moved from A to B without walking. Philip was also in 3D biology. Stop limiting God's powers with your notions. D "I ADMIT – He was changed – not the same – different – no longer limited by 3D realityR" So why can't you see this as a fully restored spiritual 3D biological body? something we do not have right now? Mrs White in 3D biology, was in vision for several hours in the church among other people, they noticed her 3D biology did not breathe out expired air, she did not blink with her eyes, and her mouth spoke like harmony, she held up the big Bible book, showing pages effortlessly and the Book was heavy. Stop limiting God's powers with your notions. The same happened to Moses in the mountain for 40 days and 40 nights. D" DUH – Christ is the Right Hand of GodR" You had to say this didn't you, in your view the Father sat down on the right hand of the Father? How does ONE sit in TWO thrones, one in the middle and one on the right? Or do you make ONE sits down and the other expression does not really sit down? When you see Mt Sinai from a distance you see one peak, when you get closer you see two peaks. (photos from Dr Kim) From a distance you see one throne, but as you get closer, you see three thrones, one for the middle (Father) and two other members of Elohiym sit either side, right and left. Disciples asked to sit right and left of Jesus....ie three thrones. D"CHRIST did – Jesus is biologyR" wow RP" so this requires the body that was sacrificed for sin-offering to be functioning in the heavenly sanctuary... D" TO – satisfy all ahl/OT nuancesR" Yes D" Why do you want to nail Christ to the cross every day? SORRY Robert – ONCE FOR ALLR" (I do not support this idea you wrote here) Oh you spoiled this, going back to your view. You agreed that Jesus is 100% biology and that He "satisfy all ahl/OT nuances" , but now you say "BIOLOGY" is not our High Priest, ministering unto us with our sinning. Of course Jesus doesn't die every day on the Cross, DUH? But He does present His 3D biology with scars every day, and the Father is satisified with the atonement process for sinners still sinning on earth. If Jesus wasn't 3D biology in heaven in the sanctuary as our High Priest, we sinners on earth would have no salvation coming into us and saving us daily, so we are powered by His 3D biology making our weak 3D biology walk straight before Him. This is the purpose of Faith in His name, His victorious 3D biology and the hope of our salvation. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 17, 2022 15:17:42 GMT -5
D"PROOF – He was no longer 3D biology like you and I R" Can't 3D biology go through walls Dave? – NO Try it – repeatedly - don't give up until it works - tell me how it goes3D biology walked on water. - so did Peter until his faith failed. Ask anything in faith, and God will do it, torah says. Stop limiting God's powers with your notions.God has the absolute authority to change the physical laws of our 3D reality God can stop time – God can make time run backwards All God has to do is reach down and change the laws of nature – easy for an absolute God D"I ADMIT – He was changed – not the same – different – no longer limited by 3D reality R" So why can't you see this as a fully restored spiritual 3D biological body? something we do not have right now? No such thing as a spiritual 3D anything = spirit is NOT biologyMrs White in 3D biology, Who cares – one error and it is all garbage - your rulesD"DUH – Christ is the Right Hand of God R" You had to say this didn't you, in your view the Father sat down on the right hand of the Father? How does ONE sit in TWO thrones, one in the middle and one on the right? Or do you make ONE sits down and the other expression does not really sit down? Trinity = Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. The Father Creator – beyond our reality – uncomprehend-able Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: The Glory of God – the Spirit of God – the Holy Spirit – Shekinah – the Goddess of Wisdom Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. 3D image in this WORLD that Moses could see – Christ – the image of God Please tell me how many gods can you count in this passage? Why do you see 3 different and independent gods working together?There is Only One True God - that man cannot comprhened or see - but can experience His Spirit / Glory or see His 3D image - ChristThere is Only One True God - that man cannot comprhened or see Christ is the male - Right Hand The Holy Spirit is the female - Left Hand
D"Why do you want to nail Christ to the cross every day? SORRY Robert – ONCE FOR ALL R" (I do not support this idea you wrote here) Oh you spoiled this, going back to your view. You agreed that Jesus is 100% biology and that He "satisfy all ahl/OT nuances", but now you say "BIOLOGY" is not our High Priest, ministering unto us with our sinning. Of course Jesus doesn't die every day on the Cross, DUH? Evidently you believe Jesus was just a man – I don’t – Jesus Christ was 100% biology + God incarnate One of the problems with denying the spiritBut He does present His 3D biology with scars every day He can do anything He wants – He is God
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 15:22:50 GMT -5
D"All God has to do is reach down and change the laws of nature – easy for an absolute God R" OK so why couldn't Jesus in 3D biology just walk right through a wall than?
D"No such thing as a spiritual 3D anything R" Really? How come the Father and the HS have a shape than?
D"Mrs White in 3D biology, Who cares – one error and it is all garbage - your rules R" You haven't presented ONE error of Mrs White to me as yet, that you can prove?
D"Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. The Father Creator – beyond our reality – uncomprehend-able R" How come a spirit has a face, as well as a shape?
D"beyond our reality – uncomprehend-able R" Really, arn't we humans made in His image?
D"Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: R" Explain why the spirit shape has a back and a face?
D"Please tell me how many gods can you count in this passage? Why do you see 3 different and independent gods working together? R" Why do you assume "independent gods" ? Not in my view.
The easiest way to "count a god", as you claim is the Hebrew word "AL" or "el", which is a "cardinal one of strong authority" is this not correct?
"El SHadday" that is ONE strong authority. "ELoah" that is ONE strong authority "Micha-el" That is another ONE of strong authority, who is like elohiym (family powers of divinity)
There is a Hebrew word for counting "one", it is "el", is this not correct?
Thus there are three "EL" mentioned in Scripture....
D"3D image in this WORLD that Moses could see – Christ – the image of God R" Yes, but why did this "spirit shape of CHrist" have a "back", "hand" and a "face" ?
D"Christ is the male - Right Hand The Holy Spirit is the female - Left Hand R" So your "one G_D" is both male and female, and one Being, expressed as three expressions, you make the concept of trinity truly weird and mystic, just like your Gnostic writings are.
In my view, using all the Scripture I have for elohiym, both OT and NT, making sure the meaning fit's all contexts, I find "family power" is the meaning for elohiym
fits judges (one judge from a family bar of judges) fits pagan gods (were always in a family concept) fits Aaron and Moses as elohiym powers both family as well fits true elohiym in heaven, with a Father and his one and only Son, Abraham sacrifice with Isaac, and NT Ephesian 3:15
D"Evidently you believe Jesus was just a man – I don’t – Jesus Christ was 100% biology + God incarnate R" I see Jesus as both 100% 3D biology in heaven with 100% Divinity within HIm as a great uncaused cause. I do not deny anything. You quote my view wrong.
RP" But He does present His 3D biology with scars every day D" He can do anything He wants – He is God R" Funny how you agree Jesus is 100% 3D biology in heaven as our High Priest, but you do not post 3D biology is in heaven. So if Jesus is 3D biology in heaven, we the redeemed are also going to heaven in 3D biology too, that is changed from it's current corrupted form to an immortal form, something that is not yet been revealed.
Can't you agree with this?
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 21, 2022 3:03:22 GMT -5
D"All God has to do is reach down and change the laws of nature – easy for an absolute God R" OK so why couldn't Jesus in 3D biology just walk right through a wall than? Easy – all God has to do is manipulate the physical laws of nature in our reality Or Jesus Christ is NOT 3D physical – he is something more – different – changed D"No such thing as a spiritual 3D anything R" Really? How come the Father and the HS have a shape than? YES – Christ is the 3D physical form of God – the spirit is within = soulD"Mrs White in 3D biology, Who cares – one error and it is all garbage - your rules R" You haven't presented ONE error of Mrs White 1- satan is a god that changed all of God’s tov creation 2- no such thing as eternal spirit 3- burning coal and gas under the earth cause earthquakesD"Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. The Father Creator – beyond our reality – uncomprehend-able R" How come a spirit has a face, as well as a shape? YES – in Christ’s 3D form – he has a faceD"beyond our reality – uncomprehend-able R" Really, arn't we humans made in His image? YES - we are – we are spirit – that came into this world to Jer 1:5 – and we will return to God YES – we are male and female – with two arms
D"Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: R" Explain why the spirit shape has a back and a face? Easy - TRINITYD"Please tell me how many gods can you count in this passage? Why do you see 3 different and independent gods working together? R" Why do you assume "independent gods" ? Not in my view. Christ and God are two different entities according to you How can they talk together if they are not two different individuals you argue
D"3D image in this WORLD that Moses could see – Christ – the image of God R" Yes, but why did this "spirit shape of CHrist" have a "back", "hand" and a "face" ? Back is physical form –in physical form Christ has a face and 2 arms + 2 handsD"Christ is the male - Right Hand The Holy Spirit is the female - Left Hand R" So your "one G_D" is both male and female, and one Being, expressed as three expressions, you make the concept of trinity truly weird and mystic, just like your Gnostic writings are. God the father is androgynous The Holy Spirit = the womb of creation = the Mother = the female The 3D form = Christ – the male - SonD"Evidently you believe Jesus was just a man – I don’t – Jesus Christ was 100% biology + God incarnate R" I see Jesus as both 100% 3D biology in heaven with 100% Divinity within HIm as a great uncaused cause. I do not deny anything. You quote my view wrong. Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
It says LIFE for LIFE, more than just rising from the dead... its says eternal LIFE for eternal LIFE. When Jesus died, the soul died,… Then why do you preach that God is dead
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 4:31:19 GMT -5
D"YES – Christ is the 3D physical form of God – the spirit is within = soul R" I thought you agreed with me that Jesus is 3D biology in heaven as our High Priest, so that makes Jesus human like we are human. So Jesus cannot be the 3D form of the Father at all?
D"YES – in Christ’s 3D form – he has a face R" What? Before Jesus took up humanity He was entirely the same shape and form of the Father, so why do you mention in Christ's 3D form? A spirit has no form or shape doesn't it?
D"YES - we are – we are spirit – that came into this world to Jer 1:5 – and we will return to God R" I see, and where in Scripture does it say we were created outside the the ground, as some spirit form?
RP" R" Explain why the spirit shape has a back and a face? D" Easy - TRINITY R: What? A spirit has no form or shape doesn't it?
D"Christ and God are two different entities according to you How can they talk together if they are not two different individuals you argue R" Yes but they function in harmony always in love, never selfish or independent from the other? Does this make sense to you.
Otherwise how can GOD be love, if God cannot demonstrate love within the Family Elohiym power?
And loving from one kind to another kind, is no where the same as loving within your own kind. Adam saw this and got lonely for a help mate, a being from within his own kind.
D"Back is physical form –in physical form Christ has a face and 2 arms + 2 hands R" Hmm? You need to explain more because in my view, this explains that Elohiym has a shape and a form, similar to humans, so they are not a "spirit" at all, I assume "spirits" have no defined shapes, ie ghostly.
D"God the father is androgynous R" Meaning God the Father can be express both masculine and feminine love as a single being? How does this demonstrate rational love? It doesn't. SO the Father cannot demonstrate love at all, in your view.
Why didn't your Father make Adam androgynous than? SO Adam would not have felt lonely?
Better still why didn't the Father make all the creatures on earth androgynous, having both sex parts on the same being? I really find your mystic Gnostic view is spoiling the concept of elohiym powers of love. Elohiym powers of love demonstrate rational love, and this is why Creation reflects this same relational love. Elohiym powers of love is a FAMILY concept, heavenly parents.
D"Then why do you preach that God is dead R" I don't, Jesus was to be dead only 3 days and 3 nights? Not forever. Duh
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Aug 21, 2022 9:56:49 GMT -5
D"YES – Christ is the 3D physical form of God – the spirit is within = soul R" I thought you agreed with me that Jesus is 3D biology in heaven as our High Priest, Sorry Robert – No biology in spiritual heaven – only spirit Jesus was changed – different than we are – no longer as we are
D"YES – in Christ’s 3D form – he has a face R" What? Before Jesus took up humanity He was entirely the same shape and form of the Father, so why do you mention in Christ's 3D form? A spirit has no form or shape doesn't it? You work so hard to deny the obvious Trinity = God the Father – The Spirit of God – and the image of God
D"YES - we are – we are spirit – that came into this world to Jer 1:5 – and we will return to God R" I see, and where in Scripture does it say we were created outside the the ground, as some spirit form? We are a full part of the HOST of heaven – created on Day 1RP" R" Explain why the spirit shape has a back and a face? D" Easy - TRINITY R: What? A spirit has no form or shape doesn't it? Sure spirit has some type of form – some type of body – it is ethereal – and beyond your understanding You just NEED to deny the spirit to keep Ellen White correct and protect your doctrine
D"Christ and God are two different entities according to you How can they talk together if they are not two different individuals you argue R" Yes but they function in harmony always in love, never selfish or independent from the other? Does this make sense to you. THERE ARE NOT MULTIPLE GODS – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD TRINITY – God = Holy Spirit = Christ
Otherwise how can GOD be love, if God cannot demonstrate love within the Family Elohiym power? Why do you doubt that God is able to LOVE His creation?D"Back is physical form –in physical form Christ has a face and 2 arms + 2 hands R" Hmm? You need to explain more because in my view, this explains that Elohiym has a shape and a form, similar to humans, so they are not a "spirit" at all, I assume "spirits" have no defined shapes, ie ghostly. So – you have a god of biology sitting on a throne somewhere looking like Moses with a long white beard Roman Catholic Sunday School garbage fed to children in SUNDAY SCHOOLD"God the father is androgynous R" Meaning God the Father can be express both masculine and feminine love as a single being? How does this demonstrate rational love? Why do you doubt that God is able to LOVE His creation?Why didn't your Father make Adam androgynous than? SO Adam would not have felt lonely? DUH – please read Gen 2Better still why didn't the Father make all the creatures on earth androgynous DUH - There are many androgynous creatures on earth I really find your mystic Gnostic view is spoiling the concept of elohiym powers of love. Why do you doubt that God is able to LOVE His creation?Elohiym powers of love demonstrate rational love, and this is why Creation reflects this same relational love. Elohiym powers of love is a FAMILY concept, heavenly parents. Who are God’s parents – that he must Honor and Obey as you claimD"Then why do you preach that God is dead R" I don't, Jesus was to be dead only 3 days and 3 nights? Not forever. Duh D" Moses died – why didn’t he cease to exist – fully alive and well in the TransfigurationR" Moses died only the first death, a sleep. Those saved never die the second death, Jesus died the second death for us, Rev 20:14 Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. From which there is no return – death of spiritMt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. So you teach that death and sheol and all the wicked within RETURN in 3 days You – need to stop making up crap to defend Ellen White
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