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Post by Richard on Oct 10, 2019 10:26:23 GMT -5
Some of us perhaps do not know the Holy Scriptures speak of genetic problems that rob us of our potential. It’s called being human. I am animal. Do I have to apologize for this, or does God already understand this better than I ever will? "Dear Lord, your words of support say when we support You, following Your directions and Your statutes, no diseases shall come near us, for You O LORD, heal us." (Ex 15:26) prayer promisesWhat do you say to people in your circle when they are dying? Evidently, they don’t believe? If you die from a disease, will it increase your faith or add to your doubt? Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. What do you think of the American congregations that handle venomous snakes during a Church service? Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God. Exo 17:7 And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not? Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. Jesus promised, “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened unto you.” (Matthew 7:7) What do we seek for and what is found? A new car or a spiritual gift? We pray to seek Him and find Him, that’s all. Jesus promised, “Again I say to you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:19) What if you got multiple people to pray for that new car or spiritual gift? NO, if two or more Christ filled Christians pray together, the Holy Spirit will direct that prayer to be: ‘may the Lord’s will be done,’ nothing more. Num 14:20 And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word: 21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. 22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; 23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it: Psa 78:17 And they sinned yet more against him by provoking the most High in the wilderness. 18 And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust. Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. How many miracles did Israel witness up close and personal, yet they wanted more proof. Praying without ceasing Jesus warned, “Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Mark 14:38) This are the biggest verses I want to share with you:Mark 11:24 Jesus promised, “Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.” You sound as if your prayers are not answered. You are not getting the results you desire. If you pray that God’s will be done, then you can have comfort that your prayers are always answered. Gifts of the spirit. Our congregation teaches that the gift always serve God. If we speak in tongues it is for God’s will. At Pentecost everyone heard the Gospel in their own tongue. When healings were performed, it was a vehicle to spread the Gospel. The gifts serve Him, not us. Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 13:27:51 GMT -5
Really good comments Richard.
Quote: "You sound as if your prayers are not answered. You are not getting the results you desire.
Missing GOD's power is the definition of sinning. Anything we do that is not of "support" is missing. If prayers are not answered there could be many reasons:
1) Your asked out of presumption - ie not support 2) Your testing the Lord, so that self increases and GOD decreases. 3) Your in a state of propensity, your pet sinning, causes a diminishing of GOD's power through you. 4) You need to experience endurance. 5) You need to travail with GOD more in fasting, mediation and fervent prayer. 6) You need to respect the Relationship, that not all things answered your way may be best for the Relationship. It's the Relationship that is to be glorified.
I write three negative reasons and three positive reasons to make balance,
In Mother Nature, creation offers simile reasons also, we need to observe:
Prayers are biological living seeds. Seeds have inside them the life germinating principle of GOD.
To sow a seed you need only take it. It's free. To germinate a seed there are some things required:
1) warmth (presence of God's love) 2) oxygen (presence of Father) 3) water (presence of Holy Spirit)
And some seeds also need other options:
4) intense heat (presence of tribulation from God as a burning) 5) nutrients (presence of Jesus as the nutrients from heaven) 6) darkness (where the seed is placed in God's world- in a state of dysfunction)
There are so many object lessons about seeds:
1) The outer skin is a simile of the covering of the Holy Spirit 2) The inner starch is a simile of the man (manna) Jesus Christ 3) The embryo is a simile of the Father (the life germinating principle)
The embryo is also a simile of the Science of Salvation:
1) The shoots within grow towards the light - a simile of Jesus helping you (the seedling) reach the world of GOD 2) The roots within grow towards the darkness- a simile of the Holy Spirit helping you in your state of chaos and dysfunction so you learn which good bits to eat and which bad bits to avoid, thus from the Bible confusion we ponder, comes the Words of Living. Roots also uptake water and food together is a plasma mixture that empowers the seedling with growing, the essence of a living GOD. 3) The embryo is the life germinating principle of the Father. This important part stays put for monocots, but moves upward for dicots.
Quote: "It’s called being human. I am animal.
Your right of course. But we also have DNA inside of us embedded with code. This code are the "words of living". It's interesting that Scripture has a Hebrew word for this "potential" within us, also meaning our "propensities". It's important to understand this Hebrew word carefully. The NT calls it our "carnal nature".
What do you say to people in your circle when they are dying? Evidently, they don’t believe?
My Dad was dying of cancer. I showed him a DVD "living with cancer inside and out" from RaveDiet. He watched and didn't even get excited. My Dad was agnostic. Our pride gets in the way.
By the time the cancer got real bad it was too late for nature to heal him. Maybe GOD could have healed him? He wanted to live more... so he could play more bowls... But God didn't want him to play more bowls, He wanted to save him. Sometimes, most times, we are saved as firebrands snatched from the fire.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? (KJV)
Many are saved as babes as fire brands snatched from the fire.
Quote: "What do you think of the American congregations that handle venomous snakes during a Church service?
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Test the spirits. By their fruits ye shall know them. A spring does not make good water and bad water. Test the water to discern hence the source of it's authority.
Quote: "What if you got multiple people to pray for that new car or spiritual gift? NO, if two or more Christ filled Christians pray together, the Holy Spirit will direct that prayer to be: ‘may the Lord’s will be done,’ nothing more.
Correct. When I was young, years ago before I read even Hebrew and learned mature things, I still had the voice of GOD speaking via my conscience. Members would ask me to come with them and pray or anoint a member sick n our church. I would pray inside my mind to GOD, and ask should I go. no (silence) so I didn't go. If the Lords will was to go, and if the Lord told you to sow His words in His Name for healing, the prayer is not an act of faith, as if God is silent, and you are trying to reach miracles in silence. No the prayer is a matter of support. You are confident God hears you and so you simply sow the promised hopeful words of power in Jesus Name. Jesus used those words once before, and your supporting those words once more. The miracle flow comes from Jesus, not you.
Quote: "How many miracles did Israel witness up close and personal, yet they wanted more proof.
Miracles are for unbelievers, not for those who support GOD and know Him.
1Co 14:21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:
Where is this teaching coming from?
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Scripture was originally written in Hebrew and says will go out in another new tongue, ie Greek and English. Yet the people do not hear. So miracles help the unbeliever not those who are already following GOD.
Quote: "You sound as if your prayers are not answered. You are not getting the results you desire.
Every night I pray and sow this favourite seed promise, "Call on me at 3:00 am" Jeremiah 33:3. This unpacked power of Jesus flows as a wonder every night. Today writing this to you, I awoke at 2:53 am.
Another seed promise is "believe on me and you will be saved, both you and your family" (acts 16:31) This took over 40 years to fruit, maybe my Dad was saved? I pray even today for GOD to judge my Dad with mercy, when his name comes up before Him.
Gifts of the spirit. Our congregation teaches that the gift always serve God. If we speak in tongues it is for God’s will.
Not sure what you mean by "speaking in tongues". I have a friend once many years ago in Church you spoke English but his mother tongue was Polish. As a missionary speaking in other languages would have been an advantage entering new fields.
I remember being a friend to my first agriculture class of students, and a student asked me to attend his meetings with his dad, a pastor. He got a church guy from Sydney to come and show the assembly how to speak in "tongues". I happened to be their with my student. I prayed in my mind, Lord stop this man. And he didn't do the trance demonstration thing. So he offered to attend the private meetings as show us privately. I also attended, and we shared Scripture different to his ideas, so he didn't do anything in that meeting either.
Scripture teaches "a new tongue" is for unbelievers who cannot read or understand Hebrew. And once you become mature, no longer a babe, you should read the Bible n Greek, back to Hebrew. To get stronger meat in the Lord. The OT Hebrew and NT Hebrew lines up the torah teachings in perfect harmony.
Quote: "At Pentecost everyone heard the Gospel in their own tongue. When healings were performed, it was a vehicle to spread the Gospel. The gifts serve Him, not us.
Correct. The most powerful miracle everyday is from Scripture:
Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
This phrase also happened at Pentecost. It's used only three times. Once here.
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
What's the miracle? the wonder of wonders? The blind see. The deaf hear. The words of Scripture come alive.
Isa 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,....
So if you want to be meek, read Scripture, experience the miracles there.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Not with stammering lips, or in another tongue, but in the original Hebrew. Even as Jeff Benner shows, the Ancient Hebrew. The oldest Hebrew, Jews don't even see.
Notice the deception of the end of time:
Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
One religion is based on miracles for videos, to amaze people, mutterings from the dead, wizards that peep, visits of the alien race, etc, video footages.
God's religion is the wonder of words. Hebrew words pure and true, written for all to read and sow in prayer with promised power flow.
Quote: "You are not getting the results you desire.
Perhaps. Training takes time. I have not learned all there is about prayer, and fasting and mediation on GOD. God tells me my biggest obstacle is to resolve the tithe issue. It's hard to attend a church that is so far away, and so removed from knowing Jesus more and more. Some members of church challenge us by boasting where does GOD speak of redirecting the tithe from the Lords treasury?
Eze 34:2 Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
Speaking of corrupt church assembles.
Eze 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
God's sheep are all over in other assemblies. We need Pastors to seek them out and nurture the sheep correctly.
Eze 34:9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
So what happens when Pastors do NOT pastor. In Hebrew these words are
Eze 34:8 but the Feeders feed themselves, and feed not my flock;
Sadly in our church, the Feeders feed only themselves, and do not feed all the members of the church. I have been drinking milk as a babe for over 40 years, it's time we become weaned and grow stronger in Jesus.
Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; (KJV)
Tithe is a system to help feed the feeders, so the feeders feed us, and go looking for more sheep who also need feeding. Here Scripture speaks to Feeders no longer been fed from tithe.
In many churches the assembly does nice things, play sweet music and pray and read things, but it means nothing to GOD.
Eze 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
One thing I got from Dave's U Tube selection, this man spoke really good things about the way out world is dumbed down, and how we are treated as cattle. I always remember. If one was to summarize religion, down to a single word:
Mt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Division or amalgamation. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2019 10:10:10 GMT -5
Cool
What – been banging around Bible Studies for years – I have never heard this before . “Cold Christians are serving Baal?” Curious where does this idea comes from – do you know its author. Can you expand on this teaching that cold Christians are bad.
Rom 12:11 in diligence not slothful; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing stedfastly in prayer;
Romans 12:11 (ESV) “Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.” 12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
Hot Christians are obvious – we are in your face – you are in ours – we are studying and learning and growing because we have “zeal” for scripture
Lukwarm Christian are pretenders – they are Sun day Christians – used car salesmen – act righteous on Sun day. Thy come to church on Sun day to show off their new car or new clothes. Maintain their visible positions within the church to help their standing in the community.
Jesus says COLD Christian are safe and secure – contrary to your position I have always seen the Cold Christian as the little old ladies that fill our churches. They don’t go around preaching, leading Bible Studies, or even attending Bible Studies – they just care and give, and are not heard.
Ignorance (opposite of gnosis) being religious. People tell me that we are under a new covenant and no longer have to legalese – but follow that up with mandatory prayers for this and that.
Establishing their own righteous – To walk as Jesus did is too hard – so let’s be good Catholics or Presbyterians.
The Apocalypse of Peter "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. … And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law." … "For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons …”
Just how many world famous preachers can you name – I’ll start with Calvin – who came up with the idea of dispensation as he had his dissenters burnt at the stake. On one occasion, Calvin insisted that the fire be low so that one Spanish Doctor would die the slowest death possible. PRAISE GOD!
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals."
You ask:
But you also say:
Which is it? - Train ourselves to do things based on human obedience – or – allow the Holy Spirit to guide you from within?
The entire point of Pentecost = Gen 26:5 "… Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
How did Abraham know the Torah before it was written? It was impressed on his heart. He didn’t look it up, he lived it. The entire point of the Shavout (Festival of weeks) = the Torah came down from the mountain to man. Pentecost when the Torah comes down to each man’s heart. This is Pentecost! This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit!
The only thing I ever tell a Christian to do is pray for guidance. Is there a wrong way to do this?
Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Isaac. Kill your own child. Did Abraham look it up to see if God’s instructions were scriptural – NO - He did as he was led.
PS – this is why the Shiite Muslim hates Israel. Abraham did not obey God – Isaac was supposed to be killed. They are simply carrying out God’s instructions to eliminate Israel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 14:42:09 GMT -5
welcome back Dave to our discussions...
I don't think I wrote the term "cold Christians". A cold Christian would be a person however who only ever follows Baal. Baal is a Hebrew word meaning "master". In comes in two actions, the verb, meaning "master" and the noun, meaning "idol-master", a state of being, when your life is completely run by self.
The Christian experience is termed to "hop over" or as Jeff Benner explains, Hebrews means to "cross-over".
Here is the hopping process explained:
1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt (pacach)ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
pacach is also both a verb and noun, the verb means to hop, the noun means hopping-day. SO in our minds we hop between two rulers that wish to rule over our mind, ourselves as master or GOD as master. When we rule ourselves as master, we are allowing our fallen DNA propensities to guide us, as well as side with the chief Archon.
Jg 2:19 ... they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.
Jg 10:6 ¶ And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim, and Ashtaroth, and the gods of Syria, and the gods of Zidon, and the gods of Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines, and forsook the LORD, and served not him.
Notice the Hebrew noun form "baal", as well as idols of master.
Jg 10:10 ¶ And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying, We have sinned against thee, both because we have forsaken our God, and also served Baalim.
When you spend all your time being your own master, doing as you please, it is a sin against GOD.
Ro 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
In this passage Paul uses the term "Master or Baal", and speaks of a remnant saved by grace, "remnant meaning that which remains". The rest are not saved.
Quote: "Jesus says COLD Christian are safe and secure – contrary to your position I have always seen the Cold Christian as the little old ladies that fill our churches. They don’t go around preaching, leading Bible Studies, or even attending Bible Studies – they just care and give, and are not heard.
Not heard of the term "cold Christian" before? I would term such a person as meek humble and quiet, a "hot Christian". The Lord looks on the inside, not the outside passions as people do. On the inside, which master is ruling you?
All of us are beginning as babes. as little children, we grow up into Jesus, and some seek stronger meat in Jesus, and GOD desiring a greater flow of His love in our lives.
Ro 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Scripture abounds in the idea that while ALL could be saved, that GOD has made everything possible for ALL to be saved, only a FEW choose to do so.
Ro 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
If Israel accepts the Saviour, ALL can be saved, but not ALL want to.
"choose you this day whom ye will serve..."
Ro 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (KJV)
Ro 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Not all humans on planet earth heed the call to the Masters Wedding Table, most make excuses NOT to come:
Mt 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Lu 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching:
And to enter into the wedding of Jesus, to be married forever with Jesus as your Saviour and friend, you have to choose to put on His wedding covering, NOT your own. Not everybody who comes to Jesus does this:
Mt 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
These kind of Christians are lukewarm, as we all are, but they cling to themselves as master of their lives, and do not hop over to Jesus as their master. This hopping over process is vital in order to be saved correctly.
Lu 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Peter finally hops over to Jesus fully after the death of Jesus, and self as a master of Peter dies. Peter becomes a hot Christian for the Lord.
Re 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Jesus describes the period of the churches in Peter's time. After a time they lost that first love, that burning passion for Jesus.
Quote:"Which is it? - Train ourselves to do things based on human obedience – or – allow the Holy Spirit to guide you from within?
Well said Dave. Which is it? Most people do the first, doing good using human power so Jesus saves them for their good deeds. The second allow Jesus power to flow via the Holly Spirit, when they support GOD in their faith.
Quote: "How did Abraham know the Torah before it was written?
It was orally written since Adam's time. Noah knew about clean and unclean animals, Adam and Eve knew Jesus would come as a human to save them, etc.
Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (KJV) Ga 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (KJV)
Let's translate these into Hebrew:
Ga 3:24 Wherefore the torah-teachings was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be straightened by support. Ga 3:25 But after that support is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Before Jesus died, the teachings had not real power to save, so salvation based on torah was by a promise. After Jesus died, the teachings have power to save, when we support Jesus based on the teachings. The promise is now sure. More empowered.
Suppose you see a woman lustfully dressed, conditioned by the Masons to do so. You quickly sow in your mind a teaching promise, "Lord deliver me, control my thoughts, lead my eyes, deliver me from temptation" and a power from of Jesus unpacked because of those teachings will empower you with victory. But you have to support Jesus, before He supports you. You always have a choice. There is a master wanting to rule you, self or Jesus. Your choice. Either Jesus is your baal or self is your baal. You must daily hop over to one master or the other master.
The hopping over feast was exactly a feast to practice hopping over to Jesus saving you. It is called now the Lord's Ordinance in some churches. How many see this feast correctly?
Joh 13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
The feast begins with humility, washing your brother's feet.
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
In Hebrew this would be :
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Baal and YHWH: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
Funny, all he disciples left Jesus and betrayed him, But only Judas is singled out. All were lukewarm for Jesus, but Judas went cold, and died.
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Notice the different levels of relationship. Jesus as our master. Self as our master. Satan as our master.
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Why a new commandment? Because Jesus was about to do something for eternity to save mankind, He was going to exchange nepesh for nephesh, as the law says ...
Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Lay down His life for His friends.
Jesus was always divinity but now he is encapsulated with humanity for ever, in order to save us. What a Saviour we serve.
Ho 10:8 The high places also of Aven, the sin of Israel, shall be destroyed: the thorn and the thistle shall come up on their altars; and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us; and to the hills, Fall on us.
I will leave you with this verse to ponder... it speaks of "aven" the Hebrew word for genetic potential, and in a secular world, the genetic technology of mankind
The high places of aven, the hospitals of today... the baal performers... O mountains fall on us, the second coming of Jesus... so many pictures in one verse... whom do we serve? which master rules over us? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2019 22:49:24 GMT -5
Gifts of the spirit. Our congregation teaches that the gift always serve God. If we speak in tongues it is for God’s will. At Pentecost everyone heard the Gospel in their own tongue. When healings were performed, it was a vehicle to spread the Gospel. The gifts serve Him, not us. Wiki Glossolalia or speaking in tongues is a phenomenon in which people speak in languages unknown to them. One definition used by linguists is the fluid vocalizing of speech-like syllables that lack any readily comprehended meaning, in some cases as part of religious practice in which it is believed to be a divine language unknown to the speaker. "Orawashia dela sende" for example is one of the many variations of words that can exist when a person is experiencing glossolalia. Glossolalia is practiced in Pentecostal and charismatic Christianity as well as in other religions.Charismatic Christianity – (Wiki) Statistics. In 2011, there were an estimated 584 million Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians worldwide. They made up 9 percent of the world's population and 27 percent of all Christians.
1/3rd of Christianity says this is the one true way. I was at a Pentecostal Church in Indiana – they told me blunt – if you never do it, you are never getting in to heaven. 1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. … 10 and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will. Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speaking in his own language. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1Co 14:27 If any man speaketh in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and that in turn; and let one interpret: 28 but if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. IMO - I am a skeptic - my God is not a show-boat I have been in a church where ordinary people that you see at the market every day - suddenly jump around and dance mid-sermon. If they fall to the floor and start to flop around the Pastor will say they are wrestling with a demon. Some else will stand and begin to babble and 5 minutes another will stand and begin to babble differently. Soon the sermon has changed into a 'praise the Lord' party. Gift serve a purpose. At Pentecostal there could have been up to 170 different languages there to worship. Jews came from a far for Shavout (Festival of Weeks) Pentecost the Harvest. My example - Angela T, a lovely Christ filled Christian and a power house in her Lutheran congregation. Twice a year, she and her husband John would go into Mexico with habitat for humanity. They would take 20 teenagers / college student on a mission trip with two semis full of materials. In 72 hrs they could erect 2 complete houses. She spoke some Spanish. We worked together in medicine - over the years you pick stuff up from your patients, and from this community. Her daughter took Spanish in High School and mom helped with homework. Just because you can order in a Mexican restaurant does not mean your are a fluid Spanish speaker. Late one night in Mexico, a mother of many who was getting a new home asked to speak to her. Angela and her set on the steps of the unfinished house and Angela brought this lady to the lord that night. Angela said that talked for hours, non-stop, and they were still setting there laughing and crying together when the day shift woke up. Later that afternoon when they met up again, and Angela's broken Spanish and this ladies complete lack of English made the afternoon conversation difficult, broken, and unrewarding. Miracles do not have to be big to bring someone to the Lord
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2019 23:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by Larry on Oct 12, 2019 8:46:33 GMT -5
I dont like the faith assemble here. They treat you like an outsider. They look at you as if you are missing something or you dont understand. but my friends invite me so i go some times. They had a special presentation of Angela Mora that was very powerful. Everyone was crying and praying. I was raped up in the emotion of the crowd like a hockey game. Like cheering a team or player they praised Christ and God. You feel different when you leave and it lasts for days. If I felt this way every Sunday i would go every Sunday.
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2019 10:47:53 GMT -5
Angelica Zambrano 23 Hours Dead! The Kingdoms of Heaven & Hell, and the Return of CHRIST by Angelica Zambrano
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For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to satan. She witnessed many of our esteemed cultural icons suffering in the Pit; singers, entertainers, and even a pope. Angelica was also shown how the Kingdom of Heaven is all wonderfully prepared and ready, an unimaginable glorious place, where no evil exists. Though Jesus is ONLY coming back for a Holy People, and many of God's children will NOT be ready on that day, and will be left behind in a world that will fall apart. Full transcript at: www.scribd.com/document/54775660/My-Name-is-Angelica-Elizabeth-Zambrano-Mora
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2019 10:54:02 GMT -5
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit. Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: 18 Yea and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days Will I pour forth of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy. Her first witness video is amazing – all the others do not compare, it’s like they are sequels that just good, but not the original. I cannot watch her videos without being moved / convicted I choose not doubt her experience - who am I to judge? It is also interesting that her first video has been removed – everywhereThat which was freely given – was usurped by a family member demanding to make money That is why there are more videos - and you are right – all the Hispanics know of her Roman Christendom hates her and calls her a false profitangelicazambranofalseprophet.blogspot.com/2012/10/angelica-zambrano-is-false-prophet-why.htmlAngelica Zambrano is a young Ecuadorian who allegedly was revealed to her Heaven and Hell by Our Lord Jesus Christ. But these explanations, and what she says that she saw in Heaven and Hell, are contrary to Apostolic Tradition.
A list of doctrinal errors in the alleged visions of Heaven and Hell attributed to Angelica Zambrano is the following:
1- She argues that John Paul II is in HellWow – sex scandal guy who quit the job – how dare she 2- She says that demons walk like Michael Jackson. Angelica, in addition to stating that he was a Satanist and made pacts with the devil "to get your fame." She also ensures that the dance steps of Michael Jackson are precisely the way that demons they walk.The influence of modern media is damning - and unmistakably – it all preaches an ant-god message 3- She says that souls in Hell must keep doing what they did on Earth, if they didn´t repent. This is a serious doctrinal error, since souls can not go on sinningSin cannot happen in heaven – single handedly they destroy their own myth of ‘Fallen Angels’ 4- She says that God the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth when the Antichrist is manifested. The Lord told me, "Daughter, in those days, death will flee; Daughter, in those days the Holy Spirit will no longer be on Earth." That's a lie; the Holy Spirit came the day of Pentecost and will never be absent. (John 14:16-17) The Holy Spirit can not fail to keep pouring out his gifts upon the good ones that will live during the Great Tribulation.Mat 24:37 (ASV) And as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of man. Gen 6:3 (YLT)And Jehovah saith, 'My Spirit doth not strive in man—to the age; in their erring they are flesh:' 5- She says: Whoever hears or sings songs of Michael Jackson will end up in Hell.The influence of modern media is damning - and unmistakably – it all preaches an ant-god message 6- She says that kids are going to Hell for watching cartoons.This is what the Muslims say youtu.be/_h6otr-_qRA7- She argues: "The Saints are but demons" “Humanity has been deceived believing in an assumed saint, which is not, but is a demon” So are all the saints canonized by the Catholic Church demons?Not demons necessarily – but Archon infiltrators in human form (13 Families) 8 - She says that Catholics believe the Virgin Mary and St. Gregory offer salvation, when Catholics believe that only God offers salvation.Truth – My wife grew up catholic on the island of Mindanao, Philippines. Until she was 25, she prayed only to the Pope! 9 - She argues that Catholics worship images and that we are idolaters, when that is not true. And for this reason we must become Pentecostal Protestants.I agree with her 10 - Angelica Zambrano, in her second testimony, denies the existence of Purgatory.The Baptist support this view – as a Gnostic, I want better clarification because: Jews, Gnostics, and Catholics all preach that an angel escorts us upon the transition to the after-life The Greeks had the ‘boatman’ that rowed you across the river Styx’s from life ‘seen’ (des) to life ‘unseen’ (a+des) Hades, which had other localities such as Tartarus. The Jews don’t mention an escorting angel but: www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-what-is-the-jewish-afterlife-like-1.5362876The view of the afterlife held by ancient Jews, which can be surmised from passing references throughout the Bible, is that all people, Jews and gentiles, go to a netherworld called She’ol, a deep and dark place in which shadowy spirits called refa’im dwell. These could be summoned by the living to answer questions (1 Samuel 28:3–25), though this practice is forbidden (Leviticus 20:27). Catholics call the escorting angel the Grim Reaper who takes you to Purgatory The Gnostics say – the nameless escorting angel examines you on the way to your destination I am on the side of Proportional Punishment – perhaps the difference lays in the scale We pop in ‘the after-life’ – were examined / judged and were off to our destinations In Christ – this examination may take a millisecond and we are saved anti-Christ - this examination may take a millisecond and – you know Then those who die in religion – their proportion of time takes is proportional Catholics push that soul will mostly be saved from their torment in the end Gnostics just say – it’s possible – on an individual bases 11 - In her second testimony Angelica Zambrano claims that the person who does not tithe will end up in Hell by robbing God.This one cuts deep – I am guilty – sort of I am so skeptable of organized religion and the church that I don’t stop in on sun days to pay them for being Christian. I have been in church board meeting arguing about a new truck for the Pastor, who already had a newer Dodge 1 ton pickup twice as nice as most of the congregation – come on! We all tithe in our own way – this is my ‘justification’ Exit 11, is the last stop for civilization before heading south over Raton Pass, several restaurants, a Truck Stop, and a Walmart. There are more and more homeless gathering there with their hands out. We hand out sandwiches and cash to some of people hanging out at the intersections. Story – Fisher’s Peak Community Church had the children make care bags for the homeless. They gathered together tooth brushes, tooth paste, a wash rage, some soap, and nutrition health bars. The children made up all these little brown care bags and they passed them out to the homeless for a year. Walmart complained and the city made the church stop and clean up their intersection littered with care bags.12 - She describes the fallen angels as if they were free to get in and out of Hell leaving the Hell to tempt people on earth, and then return at will.A Gnostic would challenge the terminology of ‘Fallen’ – but otherwise this is 100% Gnostic 13 - She portrays persons who die as being immediately dragged into Hell by fallen angels.Already answered 14 - Angelica Zambrano testifies her testimony as true, using the name of Jesus, and in this way does not raise any doubt that her alleged vision of heaven and hell is real and not a lie. The second commandment forbids use the name of Jesus in vain, Angelica Zambrano uses the name of God to testify that her testimony is true.Well one of them is wrong that’s for sure – given the track record of each – I don’t side with the church
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 16:00:27 GMT -5
Interesting presentation Dave: "IMO - I am a skeptic - my God is not a show-boat Rob: "Yes GOD does not need to show off wonders of GOD for believers. If this happens often, its a sure sign of presumption. By their fruits ye shall know them. Dave Quote:"Later that afternoon when they met up again, and Angela's broken Spanish and this ladies complete lack of English made the afternoon conversation difficult, broken, and unrewarding. Miracles do not have to be big to bring someone to the Lord Rob: "Yes indeed. A wonderful testimony of the Holy Spirit causing one to speak in another tongue for redemptive purposes. You have these experiences, so still with them and your growing in GOD Your presentation of Angelica Zambrano is interesting. Dave Quote: "4- She says that God the Holy Spirit will no longer be on earth when the Antichrist is manifested. The Lord told me, "Daughter, in those days, death will flee; Daughter, in those days the Holy Spirit will no longer be on Earth." That's a lie; the Holy Spirit came the day of Pentecost and will never be absent. (John 14:16-17) Rob: "This passage is the only place this theme is spoken: Re 7:1 ¶ And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. It's in poetry symbols, you look up what each simile means using Scripture. Our biggest difference Dave, is I use Scripture to show me the teachings of GOD, where as you use Gnostic teachings, and other so called inspired writings? How do we know messages are inspired? Test them against Scripture. If they don't line up, the message is not inspired. Verse 2 speaks of the administration of earth for salvation by the Holy Spirit Verse 3 speaks of GOD judging and sealing his own first. Verse 4 speaks of 144,000 sealed by GOD during this time. When does this overview of Revelation occur? Re 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Other chapters give more details in this overview. Here the 4 angels and the 4 winds seem to represent the same theme? Re 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (KJV) The ones not sealed were given time to repent, but they do not. Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Again in later chapters, more detail, when GOD places a mark on his own sealing them, the 144,000; so does the antichrist also seal his own and place a mark on them too. so we have two global religions on earth. Re 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. This chapter confirms we on a correct path: Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. I add this here to show that I don't know all things, your gnostic writings speak of things adding to this verse... So IMO the HOLY SPIRIT does give SATAN full control over earth once GOD seals his own. Terrible things will happen than to the wicked, in a hope some repent. But none do repent. When does this event happen, when the global mark of the beast happens. Quote: "10 - Angelica Zambrano, in her second testimony, denies the existence of Purgatory. Scripture does not speak of purgatory. Such a thing was invented by the traditions and precepts of men, not from Scripture. Question: Does GOD show truth all the time to humans, or does GOD treat mankind where they are in the light they have, even if that present condition is comprised by their traditions and cultural misunderstandings? Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. If the Archon of Earth is judged, so that Jesus dies as a result of judgement, than how can you say "the chief archon of earth" volunteered to do evil, judging beings is not something light... Jesus was going to hell and He volunteers to save sinners from judgement. So a heavenly court of judgement is no light manner. I suspect the Coptic word meaning is wrong, look up all the other verses where its found and see if the meaning is consistent...the translation is wrong I suspect.. When Jesus spoke to the young man about what must I do to be saved? Did Jesus tell me the way, or give him something he couldn't do first? Mt 19:16 ¶ And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Can one be saved keeping the moral ten commandments? This is indeed the only way of salvation, the Father has, can any human achieve this? No, they can't. We fall short and are found missing. Mt 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Jesus offers a complete salvation thing for him to do, as if he kept all the others perfectly....which is not true, but the man thought differently... Only at the end does Jesus offer a second way to be saved, without offering how this is achieved: "and come and follow me". Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. Lu 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (KJV) This parable has many traditions of men in it, but while Jesus uses it, he does show truth at the end: Who would rise from the dead? Jesus would. Would Israel support Jesus then? no. Dave Quote:"12 - She describes the fallen angels as if they were free to get in and out of Hell leaving the Hell to tempt people on earth, and then return at will. A Gnostic would challenge the terminology of ‘Fallen’ – but otherwise this is 100% Gnostic Rob "Well we know one cherub sinned, is it not logical to assume this chief archon cherub who sinned also convinced other cherub to sin with him? SO yes there are fallen angels who function as demons. Dave quote: "11 - In her second testimony Angelica Zambrano claims that the person who does not tithe will end up in Hell by robbing God. The Lord Jesus has also told me to resolve the tithing issue. I like the way you tithe... churches are corrupt these days...what is tithe for? to feed the feeders so they feed us, as well as new sheep they seek. Not buy a new truck? Does GOD say we can redirect our tithe? Eze 34:10 .. and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more;... The feeders cease feeding themselves... tithe is use to feed the feeders. The money is supposed to be used for redemptive work. Not personal gain. Shalom my friend.
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2019 18:30:42 GMT -5
Yet, documented healings comes from this same group. What say you about the charismatic movement? It is everywhere here. Is it prominent there? 1/3rd of Christian follows this teaching, 1/3 are Catholic, and then there everyone else
You say you want nothing more that to master your prayer life and experience the gifts of the Spirit. Here is an entire 1/3rd of Christianity that practices it openly - I thought you would be more interested
First you say there is no way that the overseer can be a servant of God Then you say he is on a mission for the Holy Spirit You cannot have it both ways
Volunteered – this is my word usage, my paraphrase The text says,
The Gospel of the Egyptians After five thousand years, the great light Eleleth spoke: "Let someone reign over the chaos and Hades." And there appeared a cloud whose name is hylic Sophia [...] She looked out on the parts of the chaos, her face being like [...] in her form [...] blood. And the great angel Gamaliel spoke to the great Gabriel, the minister of the great light Oroiael; he said, "Let an angel come forth, in order that he may reign over the chaos and Hades." Then the cloud, being agreeable, came forth …
Do you accept her message? Or is she a false prophet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 13:12:53 GMT -5
Dave: " I thought you would be more interested Rob:" Test the spirits. By their fruits ye shall know them. You say Satan does not have churches where people support Him, the chief archon, or Prince of Earth. People can be deceived or be ignorant or as in Israel in the OT be following GOD, but using their human powers only. This effort means nothing to GOD, and this is why "baal" means master, and "bal" means nothing. Once when bitten of burning snakes, a simile of the Prince of Earth, the people were daily dying, only much faster. Moses, a simile of a Saviour on earth, was told to make a symbol of TWO Beings of seraph, both Beings of Burning, one is a simile of the claimed Prince of Earth, the other also the original Prince of Earth. When you look towards the symbol on the pole, the Holy Spirit could see if you were supporting the correct Being in faith. If you didn't look correctly, you daily died, only much faster. In your quote of this gnostic writing, which you claim to be inspired, you place far too much weight on its inspiration, and no weight on the torah teachings, which Scripture says you must do. Which comes first, the TORAH or the Witness writings? The torah does. It is the way we judge other writings. And yet just to confuse you even more, even the TORAH has misleading messages, if you also don't follow Scripture which tells you how to read Scripture, line upon line. You must line up every line, upon all other lines, to get the true message behind the pondering of confusion. If you don't do this you get error. De 14:26 It's OK to drink alcoholic wine. Lu 16:23 Hell is a real place for torturing living souls. Mr 10:21 Salvation is based on doing torah in human strength. These examples of confusion, GOD impressed me with, are also in Scripture, and one can get confused by the confusion if you use them, without looking up every other line of Scripture on the same theme. Why is there confusion in Scripture? Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. God does not show truth to those who don't wish to dig for it. You ponder confusion, and this is an interesting idea. A better Scripture promise is this: Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; Eph 6:19.. I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. GOD removes confusion and mysteries if we follow His teachings. Notice the "mystery of iniquity" is a system who opposes GOD, the antichrist power. The first cherub was found in iniquity. He made other angels also sin with him. He wanted to be like the Most High. That means become a "prince", an up and coming king with his own kingdom. How could the Father grant his request? Since the Father has no universe founded on "ra", because GOD is always Love and Functional .... So Jesus, His Son was told to create another universe which had all these other elements in it, founded on "function and dysfunction". My paraphrase: After five thousand years, the Shadday spoke: "Let someone reign over the dysfunction and Shaowl." And there appeared a cloud whose name is the Holy Spirit [...] She looked out on the parts of the chaos, her face being like [...] in her form [...] blood. And the great angel Gamaliel spoke to the great Gabriel, the minister of the great light ; he said, "Let an angel come forth, in order that he may reign over the chaos and Hades." Then the cloud as the Holy Spirit, being agreeable, came forth. I am trying to "marry" this passage to make sense to you and me. You know the Shadday has duality of function, All of GOD can do this, but the Shadday is the only Being mentioned with this form. Technically the "ruwach" is a MEDIUM function of the Shadday, a cloud or wind that comes forth. Why did it come forth? to allow a universe of dysfunction to exist. Who wanted this? The angel did... which is not identified in this passage... And so ends this message... it doesn't say the angel volunteered... it is the consequence of a request, this decision was made... Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. If you read this passage and go look up all the lines upon lines in Scripture, as we are told to do, there are two worms here, two Hebrew words for worms. The towla worm Jesus did in real life. The other worm is about whom? A bright star... a star is a Being who follows GOD, or once followed GOD? I will be like the Father? wow what a claim, for a worm, in charge of shaowl? Ex 16:24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. The manna in Jesus' words, does not have Satanic worms in it. Job 7:5 My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome. Job's flesh was covered in Satanic worms... why? Did Satan have a claim over Job's life with His Saviour YHWH-Jesus? Or was Job pretending to follow Jesus, his Saviour based on brownie points, out of human power only? Part of the reason why Satan attacks us is to have us sin more openly. On the outside, a person following torah and saved by torah can look impossible to tell if obedience is genuine or pretending... is the obedience done by human effort only, or by support in Jesus. On the outside the obedience looks the same. The Devil cannot read the mind, where the power of victory happens when humans have relationship with divinity. Hence GOD informs Satan that Job is pure. And Satan claims it's because You hedge him, and stop me from hurting him. So who is actually hurting Job? The Hebrew word "satan" means opponent, a Being who opposes GOD, ALL the time. What Being could this be? Not a Being who volunteered, that's not an opponent. If a star wanted to be like the Father, and become a prince or king, would that oppose GOD? certainly. How did this happen and by whom? Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. An angel sinned, long ago before Eden existed, Scripture clearly says. Does sinning oppose GOD? Yes... thus any Being that sins is "satanic" an opponent. You haven't made any comments on the science of mediums, I am not sure you understand what a medium is, and how mediums function. Just because mediums exist does not mean they are natural, and a part of a Beings plan. The archon of earth has media (plural of medium) too, they are his fallen angels, demons, aliens, call them whatever. They carry His message to other humans. A medium is a carrier of messages, a shadow being, if you will. God created a Medium for this earth too, not because He naturally does this all the time, but because He was forced to but the proud claim, I want to be like the Father...give me what I want... To make the contest fair, the Holy Spirit as a medium is impartial and does not actively take sides, the Father is on trial, and the Opponent also on trial. So when the four winds are let go, the Father has sealed all those who are his, than the earth is left totally to the Prince who wanted to be a king. Dave: "First you say there is no way that the overseer can be a servant of God Then you say he is on a mission for the Holy Spirit You cannot have it both ways An opponent is not a servant. Look up all verses of "satan" in it, both verb and noun forms. No mention of servant. 1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. There are TWO media mentioned here using the same Hebrew word "ruwach" or "wind". You see only one medium. which is correct. GOD engineers dysfunction as Isa says. But GOD does NOT control the media, that moves persons along the medium. "wind of YHWH" and "ra ruwach". That is two very different media. Ac 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? Here in the latter teachings, more details come forth... who is the media known as "ra ruwach"... Beings who talk? Who are they? Ac 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God. This gives a clue... "ra" "ruwach" and "cherub"... always translate the latter rain teachings back to Hebrew, the former rain teaching, to unravel the confusion over words, as Scripture 28 says to do. Dave: " (Rob)-Your presentation of Angelica Zambrano is interesting. Do you accept her message? Or is she a false prophet? Rob: "Test the spirits. By their fruits ye shall know them. When a prophet writes messages, we test the messages against Scripture. I have not tested all her messages, so I cannot judge at this moment. What you have shown so far to me, seems fine so far... It only takes one false message to under mine all the authority of a prophet. A prophet must write messages that are in harmony with torah teachings 100%. Any follower of GOD can be inspired, as Moses wanted, but sometimes not all things are shown or written by an inspired person, hence not because they are not inspired, but because they didn't know all things. For example I have tested the messages of Martin Luther and find they are about 80% inspired. The shortfall is because he didn't know. I haven't come across any written false messages by Martin Luther, that I am aware of? A person lives by the light they know, so we should not judge people by their personal living, but by their messages. We had a prophetess in our church denomination, her name is Ellen White. Many websites and even ex-SDA people try to make claim Ellen White was a false prophet, hence all her writings are false. I have not found this to be the case. In fact I find Ellen White is a Hebrew English translator who correctly translates Hebrew torah in English. People assume when they read Coptic writings that it is in a language they understand. That is a terrible assumption. You are solely trusting your translator, and have not examined the original words themselves in their original form. People assume when they read their Bibles, in English; that it is in a language they understand. That is a terrible assumption. You are solely trusting your translator, and have not examined the original words themselves in their original form. People assume when they read English that it is a language they understand. That is a terrible assumption. English today comes from the corruption and traditions of corruption by mankind over time... where did the first language come from? Why is this necessary to know? Edenics is the mother of all languages. So when you read the English in Ellen White's writings, your reading as much confusion as the Scripture is of confusion. Scripture does not wish to discourage a child like babe wanting to be saved, hence takes the child in the light of their understanding, and they are saved by their light they have. So when the Translator quotes the "so called confusion" in the Bible (already an English translation) without correcting the translation, she does so, so as to not confuse a babe wanting to grow up in the Lord. Some say Ellen White never knew Hebrew or Greek. Correct. She didn't. But the Holy Spirit does. If you want to see our test of Ellen White messages against ancient Hebrew meanings as presented by Jeff Benner, post this link in your browser window: spiritualsprings.org/ss-1061.htmI also test her messages with stuff not known by the SDA faith even. For example The two rocks of salvation. The personality of the Holy Spirit as the Shadday. The best thing I loved from age 16 from Ellen White was her little book, "Steps to Christ". When I read this book I asked the Lord to show me where these steps to Jesus are found in Scripture, in one passage, in the same chronological order as Ellen White writes them. Wow! What a challenge? Where is there in Scripture written in one passage all the steps one must do in order to be saved? It wouldn't be in the NT, because the latter teachings flow from the former teachings, thus salvation has to have come from the olden times as well. It is found in the Bible Book of Jesus. Over the years a prophet's name is confused with different spellings. Hence Hosea. God asked Hosea to marry a sinner. It's a love story about salvation. God asked Jesus to marry us sinners. The end of the story contains the same Steps to Jesus, as Ellen White writes. Funny I have never found a single SDA Pastor even interested in this most wonderful gem find in Scripture! I asked other denominations once, and they can't list steps of salvation... Our whole website is devoted to getting to know Jesus. Especially the Steps to Jesus. When you talk to others like I have to you Dave, I use Scripture first. Scripture says itself to do this: Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. The torah is first ( 5 books of Moses), the prophets is second (All of OT and NT). Other inspired writings is third (outside of the Bible). In the last days, more people will experience visions and dreams. Just like Angelica Zambrano, such people help to bring us back to GOD. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Oct 13, 2019 14:28:24 GMT -5
Remember - this not personal - it is a discussion
The Satanic Bible does not accept the reality of a satan, a fallen angel, or any angels, or God It is worship of self. The churches to satan I see are primarily from within Roman Christendom
Never claimed they were inspired, simply said I weight them. I think the words of any disciple that walked and talked with Jesus Christ, both before and after the resurrection is more valuable to me than any commentary by Calvin or your paraphrase of what you do not understand.
Agreed - Gnostic cosmology is 100% Jewish cosmology – Jesus Christ was 100% Jewish Isn't it interesting that Roman Christendom is not?
That is a lot different – is it?
Yet, when God told the Accuser to test Job – did he refuse? Did he war against God? Did he resist God in any way? – No – He just obeyed! As good servant. Then you add:
Was that evil spirit from the Accuser? No – it was sent by God. Just as God sent the Accuser onto Job.
Early catholics say the Accuser (satan) is the agent provocateur
Martin Luther wrote: "Without the devil and the threat of damnation there is little need for either Christ or His Church."
As a Christian who prayes for the wisdom provided by the Holy Spirit, in fact, I yern to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit – Born Again – your statement –is anti-gospel. But you are correct, the Accuser is also on trial.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 4:21:19 GMT -5
Really good discussion Dave. Dave: "The Satanic Bible does not accept the reality of a satan, a fallen angel, or any angels, or God. It is worship of self. The churches to satan I see are primarily from within Roman Christendom Rob: "Yes. Have a look at the Kabbalah on the Internet. kabbalah.com/en/ask-a-kabbalist/is-satan-realQuestion: Is Satan real or only symbolic of our ego? Answer: Quote: "Satan is real, but not the Satan that we imagine—a devil flying around with a pitchfork. That is not Satan. The literal translation of Satan is the "disturber" or in Hebrew, the "adversary". Satan is a negative force that we all have within us. It is a tool created by the Light to help us to grow, to overcome, to shine, and to become the unlimited soul that we are supposed to be in this world. One of the manifestations of that force called Satan is our ego. But it’s not just the ego. Every desire that is for ourselves alone, stems from that negative force. The code name for this selfish desire is Satan. It is not something physical. It is within us, like the intelligence of the soul, which is the pure energy of sharing, giving, and trusting—an electric extension from the Creator. We have another intelligence within us, which was also created by the Light—it is the source of all selfishness, reactive feeling, egotistic behavior, jealously, sadness and depression, victim consciousness, and blame consciousness. It is the part within us that feels wronged whenever something does not go our way. There’s a difference between the soul consciousness and the Satan consciousness, both of which we all have within us. The soul consciousness is our real essence that, according to kabbalists, will stay forever. Satan consciousness will eventually be limited or transformed completely because it’s not our real essence, even though those feelings seem to be real in our lives. Anger, upset, hurt, and disappointment feel so real. Yet, The Zohar teaches us that they are temporary forces that exist to challenge us until we reach the collective transformation of the world. So, is Satan real? Yes, it is. The Zohar calls it an evil inclination—the impulsive desire that exists within us. But it’s not a devil that exists externally. Satan is actually a good angel whose job is to help us to grow. The Zohar tells us a story of a king that loved his son very much. He told his son, if you want to be my successor, you must promise to never sleep with prostitutes. So, the son promised. When the son reached 20 years of age the father decided to test him. He found the most beautiful harlot in town and asked her to seduce the son with all the tricks that she knew. She tried and the son was very tempted but he overcame his desire. He restricted himself because of his deep love for his father. He believed in the principles that his father shared with him and knew in the long-term it was the right thing to resist. He didn’t succumb to his short-term desires. So, who had the tools to help the son actually get closer to his father? The harlot! The Zohar tells us, even though Satan sounds like a negative force within each one of us, it is negative only if we let it control us. It is positive if we see all the inclinations that come from Satan-consciousness as a jumping point to grow and become the best that we can become. When we reach the critical mass of transformation in the world it will be revealed to everyone that Satan is actually a good angel that helps us to grow. As Rav Berg would say, the biggest trick of Satan was to hide from us and allow us to believe that this force does not exist. Satan became an opponent to make it difficult for us to connect with the Light. Our spiritual growth begins when we recognize Satan, recognize the evil within, the ego within, our arrogance, our cockiness, and our low self-esteem as a trick of Satan. The problem occurs when we become caught up with an opponent outside ourselves: someone who has just hurt us, or fear over the result of a lawyer, or fear over a doctor’s test. We often become so caught up with the external opponent that we forget that the real opponent we need to be dealing with is the one within. The opponent can manifest as fear, uncertainty, anger, or the person who hurt you. The first step of true transformation and true growth is recognition of the opponent within. It is Satan’s job to hide. The universal law in the game of life is to overcome the opponent within. You want a more ideal life? You want more blessings? What are you willing to overcome, what are you willing to stretch beyond in order to overcome that opponent within? Understanding that this is really the objective makes life easy, but Satan is so tricky, he convinces us that he is an outside force. That’s one of the biggest illusions of Satan. Problems arise because one of the things Satan controls is our emotions. So when we feel anger, the possibility of overcoming the opponent within is out the window, because it’s fueled by emotion. When we feel hurt or judged or wronged we must turn to kabbalistic tools to gradually defeat Satan. Even if we feel strongly that we are right about something, we’ll find strength in pausing to ask where the opponent is hiding." End quote www.youtube.com/watch?v=76he8EUyapkvideo iinto kabbalah NWO Satanic BIble . shekhinah glory? Freemason and the hidden goddess...?? 9.05 trying to make love to the GODDESS 9:33 jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v18-n02/kabbalahs-best-kept-secret/interesting, good for Jews to trust the NT eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/003212-3.htmlYou do not have to do so, and should not do so. Clear answers have been provided. You asked if kabbalah is mysticism, and if it is satanic. I answered both in the simplest of terms and straightforward. I will give brief answer again. Yes, kabbalah is both mysticism and satanic. References: members.tripod.com/~RobertGillette/Kabbalah.htm members.tripod.com/~RobertGillette/Kabbalah-2.htm members.tripod.com/~RobertGillette/Kabbalah-9.htm BURN the kabbalah books that you have NOW. Your ETERNITY is at stake! The very possession of these books is clouding your vision. THEN, go back and read my other posts AGAIN. Any advice to "check it out for yourself" is from ha Satan. It is the same advice as from the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3. It violates the numerous Scriptures that speak AGAINST those who "did that which was right in their own eyes"! www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/kaballah_satanic.htmSome Kabbalistic scholars, such as Moses ben Jacob Cordovero and Schneur Zalman of Liadi (founder of Lubavitch (Chabad) Hasidism), hold that the first aspect of God is all that there really exists; all else is completely nullified to God and therefore an illusion. Depending on how this is explained, such a view can result in panentheism, or pantheism. However, most other Jews who believe in Kabbalah hold that there is an aspect of God that is revealed to the world. It is NOT hard to learn who the authors of the Kabbalah were. We know. They are mainly: 1. Eliphas Levi 2. MacGregor Mathers 3. H.P. Blavatsky 4. A.E. Waite www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoWdxfwIqg 6 minutes only Walter Veith, from Morals and Dogma, the true name of Satan Kabbalists say is Yahweh (GOD) reversed. "Satan is not a person but a force", so the Masons want us to believe. Rob: "Satan is a fallen angel trying to deceive us. " Dave: "Yet, when God told the Accuser to test Job – did he refuse? Did he war against God? Did he resist God in any way? – No – He just obeyed! As good servant. I don't see it this way...nor does Adam Clark in his comments: - Adam Clarke comment on Job 1:9 Verse 9. Doth Job fear God for naught?] Thou hast made it his interest to be exemplary in his conduct: for this assertion Satan gives his reasons in what immediately follows. Verse 10. Hast not thou made a hedge about him] Thou hast fortified him with spikes and spears. Thou hast defended him as by an unapproachable hedge. He is an object of thy peculiar care; and is not exposed to the common trials of life. Satan is accursing GOD of protecting him from Satan...I can't get him...because you are stopping me... Verse 11. But put forth thine hand] Shoot the dart of poverty and affliction against him. And he will curse thee to thy face.] Kkrby Kynp le al Ma im lo al paneycha yebarechecca, "If he will not bless thee to thy appearances." He will bless thee only in proportion to the temporal good thou bestowest upon him; to the providential and gracious appearances or displays of thy power in his behalf. If thou wilt be gracious, he will be pious. The exact maxim of a great statesman, Sir Robert Walpole: Every man has his price. "But you have not bought such a one?" "No, because I would not go up to his price. He valued himself at more than I thought him worth; and I could get others cheaper, who, in the general muster, would do as well." No doubt Sir R. met with many such; and the devil many more. But still God has multitudes that will neither sell their souls, their consciences, nor their country, for any price; who, though God should slay them, will nevertheless trust in him; and be honest men, howsoever tempted by the devil and his vicegerents. So did Job; so have done thousands; so will all do, in whose hearts Christ dwells by faith. Verse 12. All that he hath is in thy power] Satan cannot deprive a man even of an ass, a sheep, or a pig, but by especial permission of God. His power and malice are ever bounded, and under control. I agree with Clark, the Holy Spirit controls Satan, even step of the way...to make this war contest fair to both sides. Verse 16. The fire of God is fallen] Though the fire of God may mean a great, a tremendous fire, yet it is most natural to suppose lightning is meant; for as thunder was considered to be the voice of God, so lightning was the fire of God. And as the prince of the power of the air was permitted now to arm himself with this dreadful artillery of heaven, he might easily direct the zigzag lightning to every part of the fields where the sheep were feeding, and so destroy the whole in a moment. Here Clarke mentions the Holy Spirit, and the Almighty (Shadday) who is another name for the Holy Spirit, limiting Satan's powers in this contest. Verse 19. A great wind from the wilderness] Here was another proof of the influence of the prince of the power of the air. What mischief might he not do with this tremendous agent, were he not constantly under the control of the Almighty! He seems to have directed four different currents, which, blowing against the four corners or sides of the house, crushed it together, and involved all within in one common ruin. See comments above: Verse 21. Naked came I out of my mother's womb] I had no earthly possessions when I came into the world; I cannot have less going out of it. What I have the Lord gave: as it was his free gift, he has a right to resume it when he pleases; and I owe him gratitude for the time he has permitted me to enjoy this gift. Naked shall I return thither] Whither? Not to his mother's womb surely; nor does he call the earth his mother in this place. In the first clause of the verse he speaks without a metaphor, and in the latter he speaks in reference to the ground on which he was about to fall. As I came out of my mother's womb destitute of the earthly possessions, so shall I return hmv shammah, THERE; i.e., to the earth on which he was now falling. That mother earth was a common expression in different nations, I allow; but I believe no such metaphor was now in the mind of Job. Is Clarke thinking the womb of the Holy Spirit? The Lord gave] The Chaldee has, "The WORD of the Lord, yyd armym meymera dayai, gave; and the WORD of the Lord and the house of his judgment, have taken away!" WORD is used here personally, as in many other places of all the Targums. Blessed be the name of the Lord.] The following is a fine praphrase on the sentiment in this verse:- "Good when he gives, supremely good; Nor less when he denies; Afflictions from his sovereign hand, Are blessings in disguise." Seeing I have lost my temporal goods, and all my domestic comforts, may God alone be all my portion! The Vulgate, Septuagint, and Covedale, add, The Lord hath done as he pleased. Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause... Notice the final comment, you force me to allow you to attack Job without due cause. And a comment on 1 Samuel 16:14, by Clarke. Verse 14. The Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul] He was thrown into such a state of mind by the judgments of God, as to be deprived of any regal qualities which he before possessed. God seems to have taken what gifts he had, and given them to David; and then the evil spirit came upon Saul; for what God fills not, the devil will. I agree with him, if you are not under the rulership of GOD, you are automatically under the rulership of Satan. And that includes "Self"... God is always relational and loving. Self is alone and spiteful. Self comes from Satan's world, and does not exist in God's world of perfect love. Dave quoting Luther" Martin Luther wrote: "Without the devil and the threat of damnation there is little need for either Christ or His Church." Rob. Yes correct. We need to know who we are supporting, GOD or Satan. Who is our ruler over us, GOD or Baal. Baal is a Hebrew word for master, also termed self, meaning the human power of self, rather than using GOD, and this condition came into being when man sinned. Such a dysfunction comes from Satan's world. Dave quoting Rob" To make the contest fair, the Holy Spirit as a medium is impartial and does not actively take sides, the Father is on trial, and the Opponent also on trial. Dave: "As a Christian who prays for the wisdom provided by the Holy Spirit, in fact, I yearn to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit – Born Again – your statement –is anti-gospel. But you are correct, the Accuser is also on trial. When you connect to Jesus, to be redeemed by HIM, the Holy Spirit empowers a breath of salvation into you, from the Father via Jesus, the medium function of the Holy Spirit, allows this to happen. The breath of salvation is termed in Hebrew "chayah" or in the NT "quicken". The medium of the Holy Spirit, channels the love of the Father and the Son, to you. Hope this makes sense? spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htmHave a look at how the medium of salvation works, the focal point of our conversion, the way science explains our walk in GOD. A sin-offering NOT unto death. John uses light, shadows and sin, much science in this. Pr 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Why was the Holy Spirit, as wisdom, brought forth, before Creation? Something happened before Creation? The only thing mentioned before Creation is this passage: Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. A covering angel sinned long before Creation. Hence why wisdom was called forth. You concur with me, the Father and Satan are both on trial. The Holy Spirit is an impartial medium to make this contest fair. We humans are the jury. Jury members must be law abiding and without knowing the conditions of the crime, they must only witness to the crime. Heavenly court. The accuser accurses the Father as unjust. War in heaven. Father and Son decide to make a universe especially able to allow the accuser to do all he wants to do, within limits set by the Holy Spirit. All parties agree to this demand by the accuser. So at creation Jesus makes human in the image of Elohiym, as innocent jury. Hmm?? Satan says, I if make these also sin, there will be no jury to defend the Father against me. After human sins, Jesus hatches an eternal plan, the Accuser didn't know. He volunteers to enter dysfunction and exchange "nephesh for nehpesh" whatever that Hebrew simile means with GOD. Jesus comes as a human, in human form under the same fallen DNA mankind has. This should be easy the Accuser thinks, to get this Son to fail in supporting His provider. If you are divine, tell these stones to become bread? The Son is bread, He is the Father's powers in words personified, there is no need to question this? To do this is a show of a lack of support, what the accuser wanted. Finally the accuser kills the Son, hoping he would stop himself. But He doesn't. The Son feels divinity separation, what Scripture calls the second death, an unknown place called shaowl, where noting exists. We the redeemed as jury members, able to witness that Jesus saved us from sin and Satan, and that we supported Jesus in our living, and Jesus supported us back. This silences the accuser. Shalom my friend
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Post by Dave on Oct 14, 2019 11:27:24 GMT -5
I love our exchange You confuse Satanic Churches with the Jewish Kabbalah Have you read any of the satanic bible? Satanic Bible (Wiki) “It extols the virtues of exploring one's own nature and instincts. Believers have been described as "atheistic Satanists" because they believe that God is not an external entity, but rather something that each person creates as a projection of their own personality—a benevolent and stabilizing force in their life.”Satanic churches are atheist worshipers of self – they don’t worship spirits of any kind 2 different animals – one prays to self - the other prays for power and assistance from dark unseen forces - Archon The Jew Kabbalah is 100% Jewish cosmology. It is 100% King Solomon and 100% Key of Solomon The Jewish Kabbalah is 100% all about the Archon and King Solomon struggle against them Have you read the text? Intro by the translator: Testament of Solomon, son of David, who was king in Jerusalem, and mastered and controlled all spirits of the air, on the earth, and under the earth. By means of them also he wrought all the transcendent works of the Temple. Tell of the authorities they wield against men, and by what angels these are brought to naught.When Solomon prayed for wisdom – he was given it all both seen and unseen. Now knowing the unseen he is troubled and asked for help Archangel Michael hive him a Pentagram ring – King Solomon could control the Archon with it In fact, King Solomon used the Archon to lay the foundation stones for his Temple I have my own Zohar, have you read it? – it is 100% ancient Jewish For me, I like the Book of Creation – also 100% Jewish Hmm – the Accuser is never a person – only a negative force within us? That destroys your Ezek 28 and Isa 14 stories as myth Correct – the RA is a created tool to help us grow – something to overcomeThis what I have been saying - it is what Gnosticism says - it is what Jewish cosmology says NOT - as Roman Christendom says - it happens by chance or accident because one angle was prideful / disobedient Think about what you have said! Gnostic Christianity - from the Gnostic Gospels, written by the same authors as the NT Canon, as found complete (surviving the Roman Edit) in the Nag Hammadi text says, - we need to remember the - 'Reality of the Archon' - after that it sounds just like Eph 6:10-20. This Reality of the Archon is reaffirmed by the War Scroll form the Dead Sea Collection - after that it sounds just like Eph 6:10-20 Why do I find these text compelling - timing 1 - Most of them are on the Roman Index - that's a good start for me 2 - Authorship - the same authors as the NT Canon, the very guys that walked and talked with Jesus directly before and after his resurrection 3 - Some of these texts say, to be hidden for the generation after us, for the children that follow us, for the generation of the end of days. 4 - Nag Hammadi found as a complete collection 1945 5 - Dead Sea Scrolls found 1947 6 - Every End Times Preacher on this planet will tell you that the Fig Tree Bloomed in 1948 7 - These text do not teach a different religion - They reaffirm the divinity of Jesus Christ as the Messiah. In them, Jesus says, anyone who does not believe in His cross is in error. He says these thing after his resurrection! Validating the 'Reality of the After-Life'- the struggle against our true enemy Eph 6:12 - the Reality of that enemy (Archon) - The Apocryphon of JamesJesus said, "...do not be concerned for anything except your redemption'Jesus also says, "... I shall go to the place from whence I came. If you wish to come with me, come!" They all answered and said, "If you bid us, we come." He said, "Verily I say unto you, no one will ever enter the kingdom of heaven at my bidding, but (only) because you yourselves are full. Leave James and Peter to me, that I may fill them." ... Therefore, you must be in want while it is possible to fill you, and be full while it is possible for you to be in want, so that you may be able to fill yourselves the more. Hence, become full of the Spirit, but be in want of reason, for reason <belongs to> the soul; in turn, it is (of the nature of) soul."... "Become earnest about the word! For as to the word, its first part is faith; the second, love; the third, works; for from these comes life.Yes, I find these texts compelling1- Satan is a good angel – depends on the definition. He is good only because he is obedient to the role which he was assigned 2- correct 3- correct 4 -correct OH – the Accuser didn’t obey? Didn’t do what he was instructed? I do see it. Correct - In the paradigm of TOV and RA / Male and Female – the female Holy Spirit is associated with the RA Yes, Yes, Yes – Gnostic say this in spades Controls every step – of satan (RA) – Yes. Yes. Yes. – and did so by calling for someone to reign over the chaos in Hades. But you also say: Which is it – is the Holy Spirit is involved with RA or not? Perfectly – The Omnipotent / Omniscience Creator is the speaker – Christ is the Word – and the Omnipresent Holy Spirit is the matrix /ether through which the Word resonates NT "quicken" - 1 John 3:2 - I love this verse In the future - planet earth is going to be a radioactive waste land. How cane we survive as we are now? We will be changed like Him - the quickening - becoming higher dimensional beings - like Him I am a Trinity believer – I have a 3 dimensional God-head. Androgynous Creator, Male Christ, and Female Spirit. Who created creation God or Christ. All things were made through Him. John 1 the Word was a Trinity. The Word is. The Word is God. The Word is with God. Creator, Christ, Spirit So God=Christ = Spirit= Christ=God=Spirit =Christ –why- because all=Word To say God did this or that and the Holy Spirit cannot is a flawed argument This not before creation but between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 What of all the other scripture that relates to your verse? Formal Christendom has many supporting views and verses for the Gapwww.youtube.com/watch?v=_FSpNwb3DOs&t=15s
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