Dave: "This is a Christian attitude of guilt – I as a Gnostic consider that you and I have been churching (fellowshipping) almost daily
Yes your right, and it's been enjoyable, even if we disagree, you are teaching me new things, and your differences in theology helps me understand the confusion we ponder.
Dave: "The SDA has only been working on their Kabbalah since 1833 – and trying their best to recover from a false prophesy -- one the other hand, Jews have been working on their Kabbalah for 3000 years, I consider it mature
Older human collective ideas of tradition does not mean truth is better or more accurate... Shouldn't we all be following (written)sola scriptoria? And what Scripture would that be? I see your point there... How do we know which torah is truth, and which testimonies we compare the writings to?
We have to assume Moses was meek, talked to YHWH face to face, as a voice, and wrote down in Ancient Hebrew (not modern Jewish Hebrew) what GOD told him to write. Hebrew people on Jeff's forum (before it closed down) did not even agree Moses wrote paleo Hebrew, or a Ancient Hebrew with pictograph script, but the photographs of ancient rocks show this, even my friend Dr Kim, photographed something like Ancient Hebrew in the Mt Sinai area. So this Hebrew is older than modern Hebrew, and therefore closer to the original Hebrew Moses wrote. Your right, modern Jews would disagree.
Rob: "I thought Jews do not have a concept of the ruwach as a personal Being?
Dave: "Why guess – learn what they say
OH? OK, what do Jews say? I thought they're particular with one numerical GOD, and don't like poly gods?
Dave: "So not only are 5000 years of Jews wrong about their own language – so is your expert Jeff.. Hmmmmm?
It's logical really, nothing to do with Jeff Benner, he just brought it to my attention.
He went to love her with his love.
The Farmer went to produce produce.
He went to record a record.
The plough went to plough all day to sow. (Isa 28:24)
Let the grass bring forth is seeding seed. (Gen 1:11)
Let the water bring forth swarming swarmers (Gen 1:20)
In English most scholars will say "love" and "love" are different meanings? Really? Why, they are spelled the same letters, thus same word??
Jeff explains the verb is an incomplete action, the noun a complete action, yes but the meaning has to be similar, 'cause they are spelt using the same letters.
Do Jews consider this in the Hebrew scriptures?
Dave:"Is Greek scripture? – God is a male noun – it comes with a male article. If you think calling God Father out of respect as a human is incorrect, then you really are strange – PS Spirit = a female word - but to use gender terms is inappropriate - your logic escapes me
Hebrew grammar has masculine case and feminine case, but this does not mean necessarily gender male "zakar" and gender female "n@qebah". Any member of GOD is not referenced by those terms.
Did you know there are two words for love, "Ahab" and "ahabuh", this aligns more with personality differences of loving, rather than biological functions, hence IMO, this explains why GOD made animals gender male and gender female, to align differences in loving in each creation kind. So I call the gender male expressing mostly "maleness-love" and the gender female mostly expressing "femaleness-love" in honour or the origin of mankind in this manner by GOD. The biological function of sex, as a gene is switched off in the new heaven, as Jesus said, but the personalities of loving is preserved. I feel the family of GOD is like this love form. The Provider expresses mostly maleness-love and the Responder mostly femaleness-love.
Dave: "I guess that is male and male since the use of female is taboo – is you god-head gay? Torah speaks against this
Correct, the current trend of the SDA church is making the godhead all gay. This is weird to even consider, but that's how it is right now. It's totally wrong if you look at the Scripture.
Rob: "I see two literal humans created in a world without RA in it at all.
Dave: "so Ra happened after they sinned – but the temptation happened before they sinned – so TOV is the serpent?
I see your point. In more detail than:
You have a gap, I don't see a gap. Jeff Benner says Hebrews write block logic, not time based logic, so we cannot assume Genesis is always logical in time of events.
I see A GOD of all love (TOV). The angels all have TOV, and have free will to love (TOV). One angel who was a chief musician, for some unknown reason wander from free will? That's what free will is about isn't it. Choice?
He started to choose differently... The Father warned him not to, but the choice got more and more off track...more warnings, tears and pleading... the choice got more off track... and a problem began.
Here I se your point. How can a Father of ALL TOV come near a BEING choosing RA for the first time, and still exist in the relationship?
This is not in Scripture, so like you I use a prophet to help add more to the Bible:
Quote: " Sin began in self-seeking. Lucifer, the covering cherub, wanted to be first in heaven. He tried to draw heavenly beings away from their Creator and win honor to himself. Putting his own evil characteristics on the Creator, he led angels to doubt the word of God and distrust His goodness. Satan led them to look on Him as severe and unforgiving. In this way, he deceived angels. In the same way, he deceived the human race, and the night of misery settled down on the world.
The earth was dark through misunderstanding of God. To bring the world back to God, Satan’s deceptive power must be broken. God could not do this by force. He wants only the service of love, and love cannot be won by force or authority. Only love awakens love. To know God is to love Him. We must see His character in contrast to Satan’s. Only one Being could do this work. Only He who knew the height and depth of God’s love could make it known
text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=HH&lang=en&collection=2§ion=all&pagenumber=7¶graphnumber=&QUERY=lucifer+sin&resultId=2
IMO it went like this, GOD had a meeting long before the missing becomes fruitful. And says, we are three for this reason, now the choice we know about and know of has come. We know what to do for it was known from the beginning.
SO the Shadday makes itself manifest into the Ruwach, which is by definition a MEDIUM. This allows the personal properties of the Father to be hidden, changed and diminished to RA can come close to TOV and NOT cease to exist.
Now Lucifer, the bright star, continues with the CHOICE until war breaks out and other angels also make choice.
As I said before, the Father does not do RA personally, but does know about RA and its affects, because it is the opposite of TOV, or love.
You seem not to understand the spirit is a medium of the Father's power via the agency of the Holy Spirit?
From you other post, I see Jews are smart, blessed by GOD.
Dave:"But Kabbalah Jews are the smartest group of people on the planet
Your words IMO, I don't know this. So no comment. Just interest.
Shalom