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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 9:52:15 GMT -5
D" Quoted at - spiritualsprings.org/ss-763.htm SCIENCE: Gerald Schroeder tribute R" You didn't quote anything, only the title?
Correct – you say you rely on Gerald Schroeder to validate your view Then you select specific sentences to quote out of context Gerald Schroeder does not in any way support your view Gerald Schroeder is 100% Intelligent Design
D"We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. R" Why do you assume two clocks? This is a statement made by your Gerald Schroeder This is 100% Jewish Kabbalah This is 100% current model of Relativity
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. R" What? Garbage, what are you talking about.... A yom during Creation Week is human time?
D"There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” R" What happened to your Jew idea, the day one had no morning? Don't you discuss anymore? Is this your monologue? I accept Jewish teach from the Torah and the Kabbalah that has found it way straight into the must current version of scientific time It is not my fault you do not comprehend what you read in English
Gerald Schroeder - Age of the Universe The reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time.
D"So we could just simplify it all by saying that from God's perspective, it was only six days, but to our perspective from today looking back on time it appears that it took billions of years R" Why do you say this? I am simply repeating – quoting correctly – Gerald Schroeder This is 100% Jewish Kabbalah This is 100% current model of Relativity Psa 90:4 + 2Pe 3:8
Repeat Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7 Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration Day 7 remainith for the righteous Not once a week but ongoing until the end of Day 7
100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site
After you win the Nobel Prize for disproving Einstein's Theory of Relativity I will bow to you - until then - your 8th grade science talk is rejected and your misrepresentation of Gerald Schroeder is exposed
Gerald Schroeder - Age of the Universe ... there are six days (actually the biblical text gives 5 and a half days) from the creation of the universe to the creation of the first human, that is the first being with the soul of a human (not the first hominid, a being with human shape and intelligence, but lacking the soul of humanity, the neshama). We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks.
100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site 0% Biblicial Creationism - from your own web-site
Your misrepresentation of Gerald Schroeder is exposed
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 2:47:40 GMT -5
D"But against the 1% - they are exposed as NOT the one true God – just imposters R" What is imposter about them? They are these elohiym powers the command says not to bow down to. DUH – because none of them are the One True God --------------
Personal responsibility – Free Will – we all make our own choices
If you are in the army and ordered to kill women and children – you are supposed to arrest your commanding officer – why – because deep inside you know it is wrong
If you are in a religious cult and the leader wants all your money and your daughter – you should know deep inside this is wrong
If you are a pagan and your god asked yo to sacrifice your child – your first born – you should know deep inside this is wrong
Rahab was a prostitute – in paganville - alongside the Nephilim (Rephiem) – but she knew deep inside she knew the One True God – she became saved and Jewish all in the same day
How Christian is that?
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 2:37:29 GMT -5
There are 33 other gods mentioned by name within scripture itself – Baal, Molech, Dogon, etc All of these are created beings – created for their purpose All of these are Jewish shedim – created creatures – that pretend to be gods Caesar is a man – a created creature – pretending to be a god (Ezk 28) R" You just goofed and it shows you do not read properly a person's sentence.
What other elohiym powers, and they must have existed before the Sabbath commandment existed. They had to have existed in the beginning.... Sabbath was made a command in the beginning, on day 7 of yom time. During the birth pains of creation itself – the dragon appearedRev 12:2 She is pregnant—crying out in birth pains, in agony to give birth. Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, What other elohiym powers, and they must have existed before the Sabbath commandment existed. They had to have existed in the beginning....Agreed – now explain how this fits your Ezk 28 passage Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Agreed – Gen 6 bane elohiym – held in heaven 4 – awaiting to be released again in Rev 9 The Book of Enoch – always included in Jewish theology – found in the Dead Sea – quoted 64 times in the agl/NTD"All of these are Jewish shedim – created creatures – that pretend to be gods R" Who says they pretend to be elohiym powers? (wiki) Beelzebub or Beelzebul is a name derived from a Philistine god, formerly worshipped in Ekron, and later adopted by some Abrahamic religions as a major demon. The name Beelzebub is associated with the Canaanite god Baal. In theological sources, predominantly Christian, Beelzebub is another name for Satan as. D"Caesar is a man – a created creature – pretending to be a god R" The Ceasar is no pretender, you are so wrong.WOW – Caesar is equal to the God of Gen 1:1 ABSOLUTE PAGAN RUBISH--------------- R" No dave, Show me a verse about the world as a ruler?1Ki 18:21 ¶ And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Beelzebub or Beelzebul is a name derived from a Philistine god, formerly worshipped in Ekron, and later adopted by some Abrahamic religions as a major demon. The name Beelzebub is associated with the Canaanite god Baal. In theological sources, predominantly Christian, Beelzebub is another name for Satan as. R" Who says they pretend to be elohiym powers?Just a moment ago – in this same post – you denied Baal even existed D"All of these are Jewish shedim – created creatures – that pretend to be godsIn the OT are two elohiym powers, and the verse says to follow one power or the other power, no mention of the world as a ruler. Word Game There are approximately 40 other gods mentioned within the ahl – 33 of them by name by nameJdg 2:1 Now the angel of Adonai came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and He said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and took you into the land which I swore to your fathers. I also said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘ I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” Mt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Who markets the world as several powers of rulers? The devil does? The chief shedim, the Opposer. WHAT – you just saidIn the OT are two elohiym powers, and the verse says to follow one power or the other power, no mention of the world as a ruler. D"Jesus Christ came to prove LIFE LIVES – there is a real and viable afterlife in the presence of God R" Show the verse that says Jesus died to prove life lives.
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. – eternal life = Life Lives – DUH – even the jews teach this And if you have immortal spirit already in you; you already have this after life, (1) YES YOU DO = If you receive the Divine Pardon – First Fruits and join the heavly host around the throne of God along with Moses and Elijah Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (2) YES YOU DO = 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Divine pardon - OR - you will spend your time in proportional Punishment ashamed for who you are (until you forget what you forget) – your earthly clothing stain with sin is exchanged for heavenly clothing – until you are purified before the First Resurrection Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (3) YES YOU DO = Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Death of your immortal spirit – spiritual death – the Second DeathD" To the 99% - they appeared as other gods R" OH so we do have other elohiym powers after all?YES – DUH – all of them created beast – by God for God And God left them to be a thorn to Israel - deliberate – on purpose – God did itBut you have no verse were these creatures were created and how and why? easy look for a time that is in the beginning, before Eden etc. Try looking in Ezek 28Why would I look to an event that took place long after Eden The Beast appeared alongside creation right from the beginning Rev 12:1-5 + Gen 1:1-2D"But against the 1% - they are exposed as NOT the one true God – just imposters R" What is imposter about them? They are these elohiym powers the command says not to bow down to. DUH – because none of them are the One True GodD"Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: R" correct and where and when were they created? A verse please?Rev 12:1-5 + Gen 1:1-2D"All of their pagan god stories all have their foundation in the shedim of King Solomon – the Greek Archon – The Islamic Jinn- or Christians demons – THE SERPENT RACE R" Oh so the received Hebrew cannot explain their origin, you must seek other writings ? King Solomon is about as Hebrew as they come RobertD" Actually attitude about the church = if there is other life in space – theologians would have to rethink their religions – it would harm the faith – prove the faith in error and therefore not credible R" Why would it harm them? Have you lived your life under a rock – or are you just not well informed?" D " Church has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever did Biblical Creationism has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever did R" How so? Every line of empirical evidence all indicates the reality of Psa 19:2 + Rom 1:19 – Intelligent Design Supported by the fossil record Supported by the genetic record Supported by the geological record NOT CONSISTANT WITH DON PATTON – or the ICR – or Walter BrownSo many people are on-board with Intelligent DesignBut Robert will force them to believe nothing ever reproduced, ate, died, or rotted until Gen 3 Biblical Creationism has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever didD" Just outside our field of vision, there are entities that are anything but human, and they have been manipulation this world from the outside for eons.” – David Ike R" Not once does Ike call them archons WORD GAMEEph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against It says archon R" It does NOT, it says "arche" the mean here is the "first or beginning powers" that decided to sin against God. Not once is this word term archons. YES ROBERT - we played that word game before There are 36 verses that use archons to mean rulers. Mt 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince "rulers" of the devils. Mt 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the "ruler" of the devils. SO Beelzebub is the chief ruler of the shedim. Finally you agree – YES – I have been saying this since day 1This has always been my view – 100% King Solomon – quoted by Jesus But you claim all of King Solomon is error Search for 01176 in KJV from 1168 and 2070; Baal of (the) Fly; Baal-Zebub, a special deity of the Ekronites:--Baal-zebub. See Hebrew 01168 (Ba`al) DUH - Finally you agree – YES – I have been saying this since day 1 This has always been my viewBeelzebub = the child of an ARCH-ANGEL – who has offspring Beelzebub = in under the control of the Arch-angel Uriel Gnostic NHL – says the volunteer stood up to be the overseer to reign in the chaos Beelzebub = a semi-biological creature - that can appear or disappear – Beelzebub = has the ability to manipulate nature – weather / wind / rain / fertility / disease / strength in battel DUH - Finally you agree – YES – I have been saying this since day 1 This has always been my view100% Jewish demonology (shedim) 100% Islamic demonology (Jinn) Because it is 100% the demonology of Canaan / the Levant (Baal, Molech, etc) 100% the demonology of the First Century Christian / Messianic Jews (archon) Beelzebub – is NOT an angel – never was an angel The Beast just appeared along with creation Rev 12:1-5 The Beast appeared – and choshek was on the face of the deep Gen 1:2
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Post by Dave on Jun 12, 2022 0:50:08 GMT -5
D"Day 1 had no morning – this is why all Jews say it is out of time - timeless R" What Jews? Time is measured even to even, not morning to evening.geraldschroeder.com/wordpress/sample-page/Gerald Schroeder is a scientist with over thirty years of experience in research and teaching. He earned his Bachelor’s, Master’s, and Doctorate degrees all at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, with his doctorate thesis being under the supervision of physics professor Robley D. Evans. This was followed by five years on the staff of the MIT physics department prior to moving to Israel, where he joined the Weizmann Institute of Science and then the Volcani Research Institute, while also having a laboratory at The Hebrew University. His Doctorate is in two fields: Earth sciences and physics. Schroeder’s formal theological training in biblical, talmudic and kabalistic interpretation includes fifteen years of study under the late Rabbi Herman Pollack, Rabbi Chaim Brovender and Rabbi Noah Weinberg, of blessed memory. Quoted at - spiritualsprings.org/ss-763.htmSCIENCE: Gerald Schroeder tributeThe Age of the Universe – Gerald Schroeder 2013 We have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. This is no modern rationalization. The Talmud already discussed this 1600 years ago. Two clocks – two perspectives – Bible Time or Cosmic Time (God’s perspective) + the Time since Adam (man’s perspective) human time Roberts says there is only his view of 24hrs as measured today – human time The reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. Time is described differently for the 6 Days of creation No relationship to human timeWe have a calendar that begins with Adam. The six pre-Adam days are separate from this. The Bible has two calendars, two clocks. This is no modern rationalization. The Talmud already discussed this 1600 years ago. Two clocks – two perspectives – Bible Time or Cosmic Time (God’s perspective) + the Time since Adam (man’s perspective) human time Roberts says there is only his view of 24hrs as measured today – human timeThe reason the six pre-Adam days (Genesis 1:1 – 27) were taken out of the calendar is because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. There the passage of each day is described as “There was evening and morning” with no relationship to human time. Today, we look back in time and we see approximately 14 billion years of history and those years went by. But how would they be perceived from the Bible’s perspective of time? Looking forward from when the universe was very small – billions of times smaller – the Bible teaches that six days passed. In truth, they both are correct. 14 billion years (human time) = 6 Days (God’s Time)The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. Each time the universe doubles in size, the perception of time halves as we project that time back toward the beginning of the universe. The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, even though the actual expansion rate is approximately constant, it takes longer and longer for the overall size to double. Because of this, the earliest of the six days have most of the 15 billion years sequestered with them. D" Day 1 is NOT 24hrs Day 7 is not 24hrs and neither are Days 2-6R" They are all 24 hours, even to even.Boom - The five and a half days of Genesis are not of equal duration. BANG - The rate of doubling, that is the fractional rate of change, is very rapid at the beginning and decreases with time simply because as the universe gets larger and larger, POW - Non-linear time, relativity and the logarithmic days of creation (2007)Logarithmic models are use to both describe growth curves, such as in population growths, and describe decay curves, such as in the half-life of subatomic particles. Our very own universe is speculated as to have begun with a single event from which it is expanding and growing at an ever increasing rate. Logarithmic growth curves are often represented as geometric progressions, - 2,4,8,16,32,64,128, etc. Logarithmic decay curves of half-life, if applied to time, would predict that day two is half as long as day one. Day three would be half as long as day two and day four half of day three. I offer the following logarithmic model to Ponder: This particular model is by my own hand, although, a goggle search will reveal many such models. I do not offer this model as a factoid of revelation. Rather, I offer this model simply as a poser to Ponder. However, this model allows my personal cosmology satisfaction enough to digest both current scientific models and biblical presentation. Strict creationist can have their six-days and science can speculate the billions of years of it all. Ponder this - Relativity predicts that time is relative to the observer, or to the perspective of that observer. So we could just simplify it all by saying that from God's perspective, it was only six days, but to our perspective from today looking back on time it appears that it took billions of years. Again, I am not offering this as a factoid, but it does fully represent the Confusion that I Ponder. Repeat Day 1 is not measured the same as Days 2-7 Day 2- 6 are not of equal duration Day 7 remainith for the righteous Not once a week but ongoing until the end of Day 7100% Judaism 101 100% Gerald Schroeder 100% Intelligent Design 100% Kabbalah 0% Robert - from your own web-site
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 20:28:19 GMT -5
I did , a yom or day is one rotation of the earth relative to the sun, hence in our current terms us 23 hours and 46 minutes and 16 seconds if I remember such details, but roughly 24 hours.
Now what seems to be the problem when God created the first Sabbath day, it began after Friday night and God ceased from the work He made and thus spent a Sabbath (day of ceasing) with Adam and Eve. a yom or day is … roughly 24 hours.
The evening and morning the seventh day is not mentioned because that issues in the Sunday as part of the week, but we already had Sunday mentioned on the Day One. So Creation Sabbath came and went a long time ago.
YES – this your teaching – it was over almost 6000 years ago
Contrary to the word of God
Day 1 had no morning – this is why all Jews say it is out of time - timeless Day 7 has no evening – because it has not come to a close yet – IT REMAINS
Day 1 is NOT 24hrs Day 7 is not 24hrs and neither are Days 2-6
I wrote my paper in 2007 - Non-linear time, relativity and the logarithmic days of creation Your Schroeder published his in 2013 – The Age of the Universe Both support Intelligent Design Neither support your teaching
We have had 74 conversations about the error of radiometric time dating
For you to inject 24hrs days into the conversation now is proof you just want to argue Bull Shit
Just argue in circles - just to argue against my beliefs and teachings Never making a point - refusing to answer direct questions anything it take to defend your satan as the god of evil and you denial of the One True God of the Jews
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 20:11:49 GMT -5
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohiym powers before me. SO this Moses torah plainly tells us GOD does not want humans bowing down to other elohiym powers. What other elohiym powers, and they must have existed before the Sabbath commandment existed.
WOW – proof you do not know your ahl/OT There are 33 other gods mentioned by name within scripture itself – Baal, Molech, Dogon, etc All of these are created beings – created for their purpose All of these are Jewish shedim – created creatures – that pretend to be gods Caesar is a man – a created creature – pretending to be a god (Ezk 28) All things of this world
The agl/NT adds mammon to this list Money – wealth – power – or fame – all the things of this world
NO WHERE DOES SCRIPTURE TELL US – there are two supreme gods – one for tov and one for ra SCRIPTUR IS CLEAR – there is only One True God
Well the two trees created in the garden tell you who this other elohiym power is, leader was only allowed to visit his own tree, no where else, and that is all GOD allowed his presence to be, as God (the true elohiym power) created a paradise for HIS TREE of living, and thus His paradise spread all over the earth, and was a simile under God's tree, the tree of life.
IF EDEN was the entire earth – where did Eden go? Jews teach it still exist – as the place of rest for the faithful Christians teach that the 7th Day is ongoing and is still open to the faithful
Thus Adam had a choice as to which elohiym power he could choose to serve. ( that is what free will means a choice of powers to serve) God or his own desires (yester ra)
But you ignore this Moses torah, and thus you invent your own teachings. You invent an entirely new god
Please Dave how about explaining your logic D"No created being ever changed its own form and function against God’s Will Explain this?
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
God made everything – BY HIM – FOR HIM even the archon / shedim / Jinn / demons
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Please explain why my logic is not correct. Or is it correct? Why can't a free will creature sin , and thus by sinning Man does this every day – does this make man a false-god – or a supreme being od evil
D"and then changed God’s creation against God’s Will R" A creature has no divine powers, of it's own, I know that and you also know that, so stop writing stuff that makes no sense.... why did our world fall with RA? Because Adam sinned and God cursed our world. God nothing to do with any creature agent of sin,
Finally you admit it – Gen 3 has nothing to do with another god opposing God It is just Eve and her own desires and lust for WORLD
but God choose to curse His creation because Adam sinned, The feminine was first – sin originated from the feminine YES – your feel good God of tov only – cursed the world - God established Gen 3:15
because sinning has consequence's. YES IT DOES – God is a Conservative Republican – you have rights – Free Will If you want to live in the gutter – if you choose to be homeless – if you choose to be the beggar – the drug addict – the mean bully – ITS YOUR CHOICE
It is not my job to stop you – it is not my government’s job to stop you – and God will not stop you You have rights – because of the GRACE of God – you have the right to choose
Is this idea correct or not correct? Discuss this please. EASY – it is obvious to all - your choices have consequence's Jesus Christ came to prove LIFE LIVES – there is a real and viable afterlife in the presence of God
LIFE LIVES = One day – man will meet his maker - your choices yesterday, today, and tomorrow have consequence's
Judaism 101 From the beginning – Rosh Hannah YOM KIPPUR – anything you need to atone for? Take an extra hr to consider (25hr day) God has and dose TABERNACLE with man (available here to you – on your level) Salvation is ONLY by the Lord – Purim Passover, Passover, Passover And 50 days later – Pentecost – the Harvest – which is a celebration of the moment when the Torah came down from the mountain to man
LIFE LIVES = One day – man will meet his maker - your choices yesterday, today, and tomorrow have consequence's
The Psychology of Understanding (2006) Short, simple, straight to the point and perhaps the most profound revelation of mortality. We are all going to die sooner or later. So then, the next most important question becomes - Then what? - is there something more? The question for me is not whether there is a God and an afterlife! The question, for me as a man, is if there is a God and an afterlife, and I do eventually meet my maker; will I be able to look Him straight in the eye and shake His hand, or will I be ashamed and embarrassed for who I really am?
D"The Contest is between man vrs WORLD – man vrs archon, our real struggel R" Please explain this sentence with more details Does Dave allude to this idea? a little and it's confusing "man vrs archon",
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between (the serpent’s) seed and her seed. You argue angel cannot have offspring – I agree with you The archon is an entirely different race of beings In-between angel and man – not fully angelic – not fully animal This gives them strange powers / abilities that man lacks
They can appear or disappear – they can manipulate this world – weather /rain /wind / disease / fertility / and even strength in battel
To the 99% - they appeared as other gods - They can appear or disappear – they can manipulate this world – weather /rain /wind / disease / fertility / and even strength in battel
But against the 1% - they are exposed as NOT the one true God – just imposters
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
No matter where you look – the gods of the 99% - even the pagans of ancient Australian history Or the gods of the Polynesians – the Philippines – Africa – the Americas - MesoAmerica – or IndoEurope
All of their pagan god stories all have their foundation in the shedim of King Solomon – the Greek Archon – The Islamic Jinn- or Christians demons – THE SERPENT RACE There is only one theology – and it all Judaism 101
Your neighbor is a UFO believer and rejects the church – WHY? Because the church has presented such man-made bull shit – it has lost its credibility as a source of truth Church has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever did
Actually attitude about the church = if there is other life in space – theologians would have to rethink their religions – it would harm the faith – prove the faith in error and therefore not credible
Isa 13:4 … the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even …
Gnostic John – the archon are ejected from earth at the flood – to the 7 visible heavenly bodies Authors always make this to be Venus, Mars, Saturn, the Sun, and Moon – etc etc Dave – Nebiru – is supposedly visible every 3600 years - cannot rule it out
Astronauts report things and are dismissed - The Nasa cover-up of the Clementine Mission photos is obvious THERE ARE STRUCTURES ON THE MOON – you are not allowed to see them These structures – MOVE and leave tracks – Oops
Absolutely the most provoking imagery from our solar system is the face on Mars - Cydonia Only 1 mission in that direction and we lost communication with it when it tried de-orbit
American Indian legend long before white man – they are from Venus – but ruined their planet, because the failed to live in harmony with it This is the entire bases for their religion – life in harmony with nature PS They also have only One Great Father – and a whole bunch of kachina spirits that have power of matter – weather / wind/ rain/ fertility / strength in battel
Azuni Navaho say – during the last great earth change – the SNAKE PEPOLE took them underground until it was over – for the survival of the tribe PS They also have only One Great Father – and a whole bunch of kachina spirits that have power of matter – weather / wind/ rain/ fertility / strength in battel
More and more leading scientist are going on the record with support for Intelligent Design And reject the church and Biblical Creationism – why? Because the church has presented such man-made bull shit – it has lost its credibility as a source of truth Church has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever did Biblical Creationism has harmed the faith – as much as Darwin ever did
No matter where you look – the gods of the 99% - even the pagans of our modern WORLD The system – the shadow governments – the larger conspiracy – the Omega Conspiracy – the secret cabal behind all of them everywhere =
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
“Just outside our field of vision, there are entities that are anything but human, and they have been manipulation this world from the outside for eons.” – David Ike
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against Does not say satan Does not say Jewish satan – or Hebrew satan – or your Catholic satan
It says archon – principalities – demons – Jinn – shades – shedim – devils – satanas – etc etc etc
N-APF – Noun, Case: Accusative (direct object; motion toward; time: "how long"), Number: Plural Gender: Feminine
You get to play word games - try this one
The Beast is ENTROPY Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against motion toward; time: "how long" Time is the greatest entropy of them all – over time it all passes away – terminal – temporary Entropy – the lesson of the cycle of life – birth – growth – death and rebirth
Yom Kippur - Day of Atonement - you said it was the most important A day of reflection - is there anything I need to atone for A day of relfection - my behaviour - my works - my deeds - my mitzvah and my chata THE REVELATION = I am a filthy sinner - I am disobedient The only hope = salvation by the Lord and the Divine pardon granted to Jushua
IF you understood Korbats You would understand - that just going through the motions = practice Without true repentence - the yearly blood sacrifice at Passover means nothing
Christianity = basic Jewish theology = judaism 101
The Psychology of Understanding (2006) Short, simple, straight to the point and perhaps the most profound revelation of mortality. We are all going to die sooner or later. So then, the next most important question becomes - Then what? - is there something more? The question for me is not whether there is a God and an afterlife! The question, for me as a man, is if there is a God and an afterlife, and I do eventually meet my maker; will I be able to look Him straight in the eye and shake His hand, or will I be ashamed and embarrassed for who I really am?
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 7:33:33 GMT -5
the two elohiym powers are locked in conflict, as the war in heaven now continues on earth. You ignore this verse as well. FALSE TEACHING
THERE ARE NOT TWO GODS WARING AGAINST EACH OTHER
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THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD WHO IS ABSOLUTE – ANY TEACHING OTHERWISE IS REJECTEDthe war continues on earthGen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. Gen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life. Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field, Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, since from it were you taken. For you are dust, and to dust will you return.” The Contest is between man vrs WORLD – man vrs archon, our real struggelWritten into scripture by God - established by God - put in motion by God - to test man to see if he will keep the mitzvah or not - Judaism 101I totally reject your Ezk 28 satan doctrineNo created being ever changed its own form and function against God’s Will and then changed God’s creation against God’s WillCol 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him. Christ is the Creator – Because He is the God of Gen 1:1 All was created through Him and for Him.Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. - Judaism 101
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 5:30:57 GMT -5
Roberts argument – anyone opposing man is opposing God – anyone who murders is a sinner and is opposing God – YHWY is a sinner and opposes Himself R" I posed this as a question, not a statement I support.
1- YOU are not honest – this has always been your come back – any one opposing man is opposing God So who is this destroyer, the YHWH? 2- now you realize that all your Feel Good God can do no hurt is just error My two pennies in this complex question of yours is that my TOV only God as you call my God does not transgress His laws, God murders many
and so any destroying comes from the opposer, So who is this destroyer, the YHWH?
Correct – you teach God is satan and opposes himself
this complex question of yours What is complex - Why do you and Ellen White teach it is a sin to OBEY GOD OR - please prove to me that your satan disobeys God
I have been asking the same question for 3 years
D"Which one of us denies the spirit? Be honest with yourself at least
R" What are you asking? You say speaking in tongues publicly is a certain sign you have the spirit, whatever that term means, so we are witnessing to others what the languages of heaven are like? How often do you speak in tongues?
What a bunch of nonsense Man is spirit – fully formed before physical birth Spirit is created eternal Man is spirit – having a physical souljourn Upon mortal death – the spirit of man returns to God The first death is of the flesh - and has nothing to do with spirit The second death is death of spirit and has nothing to do with the flesh
You are on record here denying everything I believe and teach The foundation of Judaism – From God we came and to God we retun You are on record here denying this very basic Jewish teaching
You and Ellen White teach man is only biology - procreated by our biological parents Death is the end - you cease to exist But later - you are resurreted again in the flesh - to be punished or saved in the flesh
D"Which one of us denies the spirit? Be honest with yourself at least
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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2022 5:20:11 GMT -5
Either a day is 24 hrs or it can remain open for thousands of years Please pick one statement and stick with it
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2022 21:10:36 GMT -5
Even I understand the question. If day 7 remains it has to be almost 6000 years long. If day 7 is almost 6000 years long then why can’t days 6 or 5 be also 6000 years long? Answer the question Why do you deliberately avoid answering question that destroy your view. Instead you attempt to evade a direct answer by changing the topic into another Robert word gameThe question to you is yom = you mandate that it is only 24hrs – only so you can deny Intelligent Design But without understanding the totality of scripture – you have painted yourself into a corner If you admit the promise of the agl/NT – that the 7th day remained and is open to all Christians You just contradict yourself Day 7 was 24hrs only and for Adam and Eve only2Ti 4:13 - G620 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain. V-2AAI-1S – Verb, Tense: second Aorist, Voice: Active, Mood: Indicative, Person: first , Number: SingularThe clothing I left with TroasYes the clothing remaind - did not dissapear2Ti 4:20 - G620 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain.V-2AAI-1S – Verb, Tense: second Aorist, Voice: Active, Mood: Indicative, Person: first , Number: SingularTrophimos I left sick at MiletumI left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Trophimus I left in Miletus infirm; Heb 4:6 - ἀπολείπω - apoleipō - From G575 and G3007; to leave behind (passively remain); by implication to forsake: - leave, remain.V-PPI-3S – Verb, Tense: Present, Voice: Passive, Mood: Indicative, Person: third [he/she/it], Number: SingularWe have a Greek reading scholar, how about helping us out Dave? Now how can this word have an opposite meaning?We always know in Greek because of it’s spelling and syntaxThere is more than one was to negate a wordAnti- is the strongest – anti-Christs = the total opposite of ChristMany times anti is shortened within a compound word to just ‘a’Ades = a verb to seea-Ades = not seen = English hadesoo – or – ou – ouk – ouch - even ow added to a word = Negativeoo – or – ou – ouk – ouch - even ow standing alone in front of a verb = NotBoth of these Greek words have to mean "left" they are similar?Hebrew 4 verse 1. Some of us left entering his promise of rest.Hmmm?Heb 4:1 (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, Heb 4:1 (ASV) Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, Heb 4:1 (YLT) We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short, Heb 4:1 (TLV) Let us fear then! Though a promise of entering His rest is left open, Heb 4:1 Φοβηθῶμεν οὖν μή ποτε, καταλειπομένης ἐπαγγελίας (Φοβηθῶμεν ) – Attention (οὖν) verily (μή ποτε) - wtitten as one word μήποτε = G3379 - From G3361 and G4218 G3361 – μή - A primary particle of qualified negation + G4218 – ποτέ - From the base of G4225 and G5037; indefinite adverb, at some time, ever: - afore- (any, some-) time (-s), at length (the last), (+ n-) ever, kαταλειπομένης kataleipo what about this? (καταλείπω) - G2641 - From G2596 and G3007; to leave down, that is, behind; by implication to abandon, have remaining: - forsake, leave, reserve. V-PPP-GSF – Verb, Tense: Present, Voice: Passive, Mood: Participle, Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from"), Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine G2596 – κατά - A primary particle; (preposition) down (in place or time), G3007 – λείπω - A primary verb; to leave, that is, (intransitive or passive) to fail or be absent: (eπαγγελιας) - G1860 - From G1861; an announcement (for information, assent or pledge; especially a divine assurance of good): - message, promise.N-GSF – Noun, Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from"), Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine(Φοβηθῶμεν ) – Attention (οὖν) verily (μή ποτε) – Never Negate (eπαγγελιας) the promise (καταλείπω0 – left down for you – left behind for youHebrew 4 verse 1. Some of us left entering his promise of rest.NOT EVEN CLOSE – you cannot read English Attention - Never Negate - the promise - left for youYour word games are an insult to scripture – grow up –learn to read before you teach verse 3 Some of us by faith enter into His rest. – 24hr day of rest – that you demand closed a long time ago
Heb 4:9 There remaineth <apoleipo> therefore <ara> a rest <sabbatismos> to the people <laos> of God <theos>. {rest: or, keeping of a sabbath} The verse is hard? Dave can Greek word have opposite meanings in a context? Or is this translated wrong? Hebrew can have opposite meanings in a context, what about Greek? I dunno? Heb 4:9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God, Heb 4:9 So there remains a Shabbat rest for the people of God. Heb 4:9 ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ. G4520 – σαββατισμός - From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatism”, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest. There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)Correct – Scripture calls it the 7th DayHeb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:4 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works,” Heb 4:4 for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh day thus: 'And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;' There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)Correct – Scripture calls it the 7th DayYou mandate that it is only 24 earth hours as we measure today – the same as the 6 Days of creation If the 6 days of creation are mandated to 24hrs – how can you honestly say day 7 remains?There is left therefore a rest for the people of God. (my two pennies worth)You do not present a consistent theology – flip flopper You say one thing to argue against Intelligent Design You argue something different here
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Post by Dave on Jun 9, 2022 18:09:24 GMT -5
D"You first – answer the questions asked of you God sent the angel of death to kill of the first born of Egypt Why does your god force the angel to sin against God Please tell me how this angel disobeyed God? R" Why me first? SO you can mock? All over the years I go first and you mock, you hardly write anything about your faith in Jesus?
I have been asking you this question for 3 years – and for 3 years you refuse to answew You just avoid the question – evade answering a direct question put to you – and change the topic IS TODAY ANY DIFFERENT
Back to to angel of death? Who is this?
Ex 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
Ex 12:29 ¶ And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn
So who is this destroyer, the YHWH?
Roberts argument – anyone opposing man is opposing God – anyone who murders is a sinner and is opposing God – YHWY is a sinner and opposes Himself
Jer 51:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;
Here is another clue, the ruwach is also a destroyer.
Roberts argument – anyone opposing man is opposing God – anyone who murders is a sinner and is opposing God – YHWY is a sinner and opposes Himself GOD = HOLY SPIRIT = CHRIST YHWY is a destroyer satan – the Spirit is a destroyer satan – and Christa will be a destroyer satan at the 2nd coming
Your teaching sure has changed a lot for God is TOV only and never causes hurt -----------------------
Question Where is the verse for this angel of death? 2Sa 24:16 And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil,
Not angel here, but messenger, YES – we have already established long ago that angel simply means messanger --------------------
D" Now you teach that God’s Grace is not sufficient to save some one Satan sure has gotten to you – if you believe this R" What's this verse than mean?
Mr 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
It reads very clear
Which one of us denies the spirit? Be honest with yourself at least
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 23:14:28 GMT -5
The sinning angels are past repentance and so know their fate is eternal death. The humans have a chance to repent and be saved by GOD, but the sinning angels are spiteful and seek to kill as many as they can.
Now you teach that God’s Grace is not sufficient to save some one You are absolutely sick with your evil and satan worship
D"You say this is opposing God – and therefor a sin and evil R" Any being who sins is by definition opposing God. SO ask yourself, does the beast sin when it devours a born baby,
You first – answer the questions asked of you God sent the angel of death to kill of the first born of Egypt Why does your god force the angel to sin against God Please tell me how this angel disobeyed God?
So if a creature sins, it has free will The angel of death committed murder - a sin according to you So if the angel obeys God – it is a sin
God instructed your satan not to kill Job Prove to me that your satan disobeyed God
2 Sam 24 + 1 Chr 21 - prove to me that your satan disobeyed the Lord
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 22:58:43 GMT -5
God would never ask an angel who also has free will to choose God, to go and kill somebody. So God never sent the angel of death upon Egypt? (Ex 12) Proof angels have no Free Will Why do you have to deny scripture to make your doctrine correct
Dillon posts " 1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
Interesting Dillion, and this means what exactly to you about the GOD of Abram and Isaac that you follow?
It means you do not know or understand the ahl/OT or the God of Israel
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 22:53:52 GMT -5
D"Scripture says the 7th Day remainith You teach it is impossible – a 24hr day 7 would have been over before Gen 3 You teach it is impossible – God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
I support the idea that the earth was created in a time scale of one week, on the Sabbath God ceased and spent a whole day in communion with Adam and Eve, speaking to them many things.
You insist that day with Adam and Eve was only 24hrs long – and was over 5782 years ago Scripture says – it remainith and we can enter that day of rest with God
You contradict yourself and scripture
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2022 16:21:11 GMT -5
D"God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
General sweeping remarks mean little to me as I have no idea what you are actually discussing if anything? DO you have a website that explains your view clearly because I can't find it Where is your witness?
You are my witness – why don’t you know your own teaching here A day = 24hr – it is your mandate
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
G2250 - ἡμέρα - hēmera = day, that is, (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hours
Scripture says the 7th Day remainith You teach it is impossible – a 24hr day 7 would have been over before Gen 3 You teach it is impossible – God's 7th Day was over 5782 years ago
Are you saying God abolished the immutable royal torah? That we no longer need to guard the Sabbath? I am saying you do not present a consistent theology – you contradict yourself with all your absolutes You cannot even remember your own teaching here
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