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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2022 5:28:50 GMT -5
D"God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning R" Why would God send Satan unto Job, when God declared JOb upright and complete, perfectly saved? DUH – because God test man
D" IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOD IN HEAVEN R" This command Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. This verse does not make Caesar a god in heaven This does not make evolution a god in heaven This does not make science a god in heaven This does not make Emperor Ito a god in heaven This does not make – power – wealth – or fame gods in heaven
SO explain who is the opposer opposing the Father than? And it was in heaven once, now ejected to earth, "war in heaven" remember? DUH –
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Rev 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to His throne. Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God so they might take care of her for 1,260 days. Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought, Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The Hypostasis of the Archons - NHL Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth.
You agree it is an oposing power. YES – the archon hinder man by sidetracking man with WORLD – so that man has no time to worship the Holy Spirit
But you don't agree it is a sinning power? The only documented commandment they transgressed = reproduce after you own kind Gen 6 Archon are held in chains – Jude and Enoch + NHL These sinning ‘angels’ are to be released again in Rev 9 – to sting man for 5 months
D" Where do you see the term sinning power in your example verse? R" What are you dull, murderer God is a murder – and order others to murder – why do you call the Creator a sinning power
The sinning power will claim rulership over the humans who were once sinless and now are sinning like the sinning opposing power does. DOn't you get the Genesis sin temptation, why was the opposing power there? To test man to see if man would keep God’s mitzvah or not
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2022 5:03:24 GMT -5
D"You make scripture say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrine R" Well did my post prove correct or not, not a single discussion from Dave? I post it again " Day one has an even, and another even, Scripture please – show me the evening and morning that took place to begin Day 1 Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
Day seven has an evening only, so Day 7 is a yom of 24 hours You contradict scripture Heb 4:1-11 – Day 7 remains The promised rest for the righteous is NOT CLOSED or OVER long ago Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
D" Please prove to me that Gen 1 Did not happen before Gen 2:7 R" Right Dave, are you saying Gen 1 happened in time, and than later in time Gen 2 happened later in time. Why do you deny the world evidence? Deny away – if it doesn’t fit your version of scripture – the facts must be denied Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
Has it ever occurred to you that Hebrew writes in block logic, as Jeff Benner says, Gen 1 is a block view of the entire creation, and Gen 2 is a repeat of the same Creation with extra details concerning Man. And Gen 3 is extra details concerning the fall of Man via the opposing elohiym power.
So Gen 3 – the FALL OF MAN - happened on Day 6 Gen 1:31 So God saw everything that He made, and behold it was very good Why doesn’t you doctrine support the facts – why don’t the fact support your doctrine?
These other humanoids you speak of Ellen White suggests some, not all, are the result of GMO by humans playing science with God. Others can be explained as humans lacking proper diet, and other problems like that. The term Ellen White used in "amalgamation" which for years nobody in the Church had no clue what it meant until the GMO came about in today's science. It's going to get worse in time, we will see GMO humans soon.
Amalgamation - the action, process, or result of combining or uniting. Gen 6 – is the amalgamation of two differ species – you only have one
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Post by Dave on Jun 23, 2022 11:44:48 GMT -5
As my father would have said – ‘Damn you Larry’I should have been doing other things – but I loaded this Jewish Shabbat service. My intention was to listen to it in the background as I did other chores – But from about 22 minutes in to the end I WATCHED EVERY MNUTE1- NO CORPORATE PRAYERYes they did a form of prayer request – But to me – they were closer to the words of Jesus Christ than any Christian church I have even attended Mat 6:5 “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Amen, I tell you, they have their reward in full! Mat 6:6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room; and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, shall reward you. Mat 6:7 And when you are praying, do not babble on and on like the pagans; for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Mat 6:8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. Mat 6:9 “Therefore, pray in this way: ‘Our Father in heaven, sanctified be Your name. Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. 2- EVERY PRAYER WAS A SONG OF PRAISE – straight out of scriptureThey sang Psalms 98 Col 3:15 Let the shalom of Messiah rule in your hearts—to this shalom you were surely called in one body. Also be thankful. Col 3:16 Let the word of Messiah dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another with all wisdom in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with gratitude in your hearts to God. Col 3:17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Yeshua, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. Why do they all know the words? Because each prayer – each song – from their song book = verses of scripture sang as a song Their doxology – Build a Sanctuary = Psalms 27 and about 49 other agl/OT verses 3- THE SERMON – was only 10-12 minutes long 40 minutes singing parse – singing scripture – 10-12 minutes talking 4- What was the point of the sermon?The Gospel of Thomas - NHL114. Simon Peter said to them: Mary should leave us because women are not worthy of the life. Jesus responded, Look, I'll lead her in order to make her male so that she can become a living spirit like you males are. For each woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Women’s lib 101In the beginning – the man was responsible for his whole household Women’s’ lib – stand alone as a man – as the head of your own house – salvation is her responsibility 5- Toward the end – the graduates of the confirmation class – they broke bread and drank from the cupFriday Night Service, Central Synagogue - June 3, 2022Judaism 101 As we listen to a Rabbi – I always pretend it is the day before THE GospelTHIS IS THE CONTEXT OF JESUS CHRISTNow imagine this congregation – after hearing the sermons of this thread Walking out into the streets to meet Jesus in His ministry!Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees and Torah scholars, you shall never enter the kingdom of heaven!
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Post by Dave on Jun 23, 2022 8:37:55 GMT -5
Jewish Theology 101 – at the time of Jesus ChristMat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Question specifically to Robert1- in 40 minutes – you have been presented to an overview of Jewish Theology Emunah: The Jewish Way of FaithRobert has made the claim – how many Jews understand the word? I though her sermon sounds just like RobertAmunah is an action word – it means to do – to actRobert claims this means perform religious rituals – don’t light a fire on the Sabbath – say prayers – observe Saturday as the Sabbath – not Friday nightThe teaching of Amunah = be a Christian – sacrifice (Korbats) to others – Jer 1:5 – be a blessing – witness – be God’s hands here on earth – be God’s witness here on earth Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 2- Getting Proximate with God | Rabbi Nicole AuerbachJesus saidMat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” NOT the TEMPLE – no need for a Rabbi or a Priest – just you doing your job – Jer 1:5 3- Finding God in the Shadows - Rabbi Angela Buchdahl No talk of satan opposing God – only the shadow man helping to facilitate God’s WillHer use of the term “Shadow Man” or “Dark man” sure speaks to meWhat is the benefit – purpose – of the darkness = education! Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Gen 2:17 But of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil Gen 2:17 ἀπὸ δὲ τοῦ ξύλου τοῦ γινώσκειν καλὸν καὶ πονηρόν, BUT ALSO - the tree of gnosis of good / beautiful –and- hurtful / evil Luk 15:11 Then Yeshua said, “A certain man had two sons, Luk 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that comes to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them. Luk 15:13 “Not many days later, the younger son gathered everything and traveled to a far country, and there he squandered his inheritance on wild living. Luk 15:14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine came against that country, and he began to be in need. Luk 15:15 So he went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. Luk 15:16 And he was longing to fill up on the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one was giving him any. Luk 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have food overflowing, but here I am dying of hunger! Luk 15:18 I’ll get up and go to my father, and I’ll say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence. Luk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired workers. Luk 15:20 “And he got up and went to his own father. But while he was still far away, his father saw him and felt compassion. He ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. Luk 15:21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your presence. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ Luk 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him! Put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. Luk 15:23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let’s celebrate with a feast! Luk 15:24 For this son of mine was dead and has come back to life—he was lost and is found!’ Then they began to celebrate. Luk 15:25 “Now his older son was out in the field. And as he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. Luk 15:26 And he called out to one of the servants and began to ask what these things could be. Luk 15:27 “The servant said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he got him back safe and sound.’ Luk 15:28 But the older son was angry and didn’t want to go in. So his father came outside and pleaded with him. Luk 15:29 But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look, so many years I’ve slaved away for you—not once did I ignore your order. Yet you’ve never given me a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. Luk 15:30 But when this son of yours came—the one who has squandered your wealth with prostitutes—for him you killed the fattened calf!” Luk 15:31 “Then the father said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and everything that is mine is yours. Luk 15:32 But it was right to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead but has come back to life! He was lost, but is found.’” "Resurrection of the Dead? Made a Believer Out of Me!," Rabbi Angela Buchdahl 11:32 min As we listen to a Rabbi – I always pretend it is the day before Gospel THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF JESUS CHRISTJudaism and Christianly are NOT two different religionsMat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Why does Roman Christendom missrepresent Judaism?Synod of Laodiceawww.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htmCanon 29Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 20:25:04 GMT -5
As we listen to a Rabbi – I always pretend it is the day before The Gospel Judaism and Christianly are NOT two different religionsEmunah: The Jewish Way of Faith | Rabbi Angela BuchdahlHow to be a good Jew – Robert’s 'amanuh' Answer – Jer 1:5 – Korbats – behave like a ChristianLord I give my life A living sacrifice To reach a world in need To be your hands and feet So may the words I say And the things I do Make my lifesong sing Bring a smile to you – Casting Crownsyoutu.be/Gnf1xczuOrA----------------- As we listen to a Rabbi – I always pretend it is the day before The Gospel Judaism and Christianly are NOT two different religionsJesus saidMat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst.” Getting Proximate with God | Rabbi Nicole Auerbach9:09 min ------------- As we listen to a Rabbi – I always pretend it is the day before Gospel Judaism and Christianly are NOT two different religionsIsa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Finding God in the Shadows - Rabbi Angela Buchdahl, March 4, 201610:20 min I chose these three sermons – as a quick overview of Jewish TheologyI am will to discuss these – or any sermons offered by Central Synagogue Please include a time stamp so I know your reference
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 16:36:04 GMT -5
Central Synagogue - 'ĕmûnâh As a nursing home prisoner, Larry churches online Just discovered it is with Central Synagogue of New York City
WOW – like it - my family will spend some time with it Robert – if you really want to know what Jews teach – here it is
Larry posted a Female Cantor on the music thread The Rabbi of this video is a woman
H530 - אֱמֻנָה אֱמוּנָה - 'ĕmûnâh 'ĕmûnâh
Emunah: The Jewish Way of Faith | Rabbi Angela Buchdahl 10:20 min
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -5
D"NO BEGINNING FOR DAY 1 R" I see, Dave actually explains something new to me...well done my friend. Why do you think Schroeder’s math calculated man at day 5.5Answer – because Schroeder did not include Day 1 – his math begins at the beginning of Day 2Your paper - recommended from your web-site - you did read and understand it - didn't you Or did you just pick out a few sentences you think validate your church doctrine?D"Either way – Day 1 was NOT 24hrs R" yes it is. You make scripture say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrineD"Gen 1 humanoids comes before Gen 2:7 Human beings R" You are as bad as Gerald, you make up stuff. Please prove to me that Gen 1Gen 1:25 God made the wild animals according to their species, the livestock according to their species, and everything that crawls on the ground, each according to its species. And God saw that it was good. Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness! Let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the flying creatures of the sky, over the livestock, over the whole earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the land.” Gen 1:27 God created humankind in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them. Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.” Did not happen before Gen 2:7Not only do you read into scripture to make it say what you want it to – to fit your church doctrineYou also have to deny the mountain of empirical evidenceAt the time of Adam and Eve – Noah = there could have been as many as 6-8 different types of humanoids on planet earth The foundation for every - Hobbit - Troll - Troglodyte – Ogre – cave man – Denesovian - homo erectus – etc – etc – etc – all have a place in scripture AND - don;t forget the Nephilim
Bury you head in the sand –deny the evidence – find someone trustworthy and credible to defend your doctrine – like Don Patton – or Ken Hamm ------------ Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Psa 19:3 Day to day they speak, night to night they reveal knowledge. Psa 19:4 There is no speech, no words, where their voice goes unheard. Psa 19:5 Their voice has gone out to all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In the heavens He pitched a tent for the sun. Psa 19:6 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his bridal chamber. It is like a strong man rejoicing to run his course. Psa 19:7 It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other end. Nothing is hidden from its heat. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— Why can’t the evidence of Intelligent Design validate The Creator of the Bible
Or – Why won’t you let the evidence validate the God of the Bible?
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Post by Dave on Jun 22, 2022 14:55:55 GMT -5
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-nag-hammadi-codices/According to this Gnostic myth, the God of the Hebrew Bible is actually a corrupted lower deity. Only through the intervention of Sophia (Wisdom) can gnosis be revealed and salvation attained. Thus, while adherents of Gnostic Christianity certainly acknowledged the role of Jesus in their faith, their theology placed greater significance on the intellectual revelation of his message than on his crucifixion and resurrection R" Explain this? Do you agree with what others say of your writings?DO I AGREE WITH ROMAN SLANDER“According to this Gnostic myth, the God of the Hebrew Bible is actually a corrupted lower deity. Only through the intervention of Sophia (Wisdom) can gnosis be revealed and salvation attained.” NOT FROM THE NAG HAMMADI – NOT FROM JAMES, JOHN, PAUL, PETER, PHILLIP, or THOMASValentinus taught there are 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – saved → Proportional Punishment → purification → First resurrection 3- spiritual – Born Again → First Fruits → Divine PardonAlso among the Nag Hammadi texts was the fully preserved Gospel of Thomas, which does not follow the canonical Gospels in telling the story of Jesus’ birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection, but rather presents the reader with an early collection of Jesus’ sayings. Although this mystical text was originally believed to one of the early texts of Gnosticism, it now seems to reveal yet another strand of early Christianity. Correct – the 4 Gospels are called the ‘Synoptic Gospels’ – they are chronological birth to resurrection The “NON-SYNOPTIC” Gospels are in a different format – Called Gnostic Gospels They focus on the 40 days between Resurrection and AccentoinAct 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Jesus says, “Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.” Jesus says, “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” These bizarre statements are two of the 114 sayings of Jesus found in the Gospel of Thomas. The Gospel of Thomas is a non-canonical collection of the sayings of Jesus reputed to have been dictated to the apostle Thomas. The Gospel of Thomas5. Jesus said, "Recognize what is right in front of you, and that which is hidden from you will be revealed to you. Nothing hidden will fail to be displayed. [And there is nothing that is buried that will not be raised.] 6. His disciples questioned him: "Should we fast? In what way should we pray? "Should we give tocharity? From which foods should we abstain?" Jesus responded: "Do not lie. If there is something that you hate, do not do it, for everything is revealed beneath heaven. Nothing hidden will fail to be displayed. Nothing covered will remain undisclosed. 7. Jesus said, "Blessed is a lion that a man eats, because that lion will become human. Cursed is a man that a lion eats, because that lion will become human." Blessed is the BEAST that man eats – for it gives him life Cursed is the man that is eaten by the BEAST – allowing the Beast to possess man
Blessed is the ARCHON – than the man exposes Cursed is the man that the Archon consume – allowing evil in the form of man Poetry – poetry – poetry - you preach about Hebrew - but deny it when convienent114. Simon Peter said to them: Mary should leave us because women are not worthy of the life. Jesus responded, Look, I'll lead her in order to make her male so that she can become a living spirit like you males are. For each woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Women’s lib 101In the beginning – the man was responsible for his whole household Women’s’ lib – stand alone as a man – as the head of your own house – salvation is her responsibilityI also like 39a. Jesus said: The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys to knowledge and have hidden them. They did not go in and they did not permit those desiring to go in to enter. 53. His disciples asked him: "Is circumcision useful or not?" He replied: "If it were useful then they would be born already circumcised. On the other hand, true circumcision in the spirit is entirely beneficial.' 67. Jesus said: One who knows everything else but who does not know himself knows nothing. 68. Jesus said: Blessed are you when they hate and persecute you. No place will be found where they persecuted you. 69a. Jesus said: Blessed are those who have been persecuted within themselves. They have really come to know the father. R" I like Firestone comment " It’s plain to see that this so called book of Thomas is a pseudepigrapha written by a counterfeit Christian or false representative. I like the common sense of Mainstream ChristianityD"You insist often - they do not know their own religion - language - or Torah R" God has awaken me to write on this, at 2 am. Sure Jews have the inspired Hebrew manuscripts, they also have their own custom modern Hebrew I love Jews and would dearly love to speak to some. You have armed me over the years with more respect for Jews, and I thank you for this insight. You teach anyone who opposes God’s people opposes God Why do you oppose Jewish theology----------------------- D"you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey GodR" can you rewrite your question, as I do not follow you?D"God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning God sent the angel of Death upon Egypt – you claim that angel was sinning God sent satan to force David to census – you claim it is a sin The shedim / archon oppose man – God’s Will R" You agree that the shedim is an opposing elohiym power, now you backtrack and disagree?Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. YES Robert – men can pray to Caesar – even sacrifice to himIT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOD IN HEAVEN - he is just a created being pretending to be a god
You deny that the shedim are sinning creatures. Let's consider what Jesus termed the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Jesus declared that the chief Shedim, Beleelzbub, was a sinning power, DO you agree with this idea?Where do you see the term sing power in your example verseJoh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. …Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is dragged away and enticed by his own desire. Jas 1:15 Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is full grown, it brings forth death. Joh 8:44 … He was a murderer from the beginning, …Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 … Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Joh 8:44 … and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. ---------------- D"You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual R" mock on, Man is spiritual we have the HS living in us and we have our own spirit the nashamah to develop as our own character. Why do you mock my words and my understanding? THANK YOU FOR CHANGING YOUR OPINIOND" – to be Born Again is a myth – D" Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – R" The HS is not Jesus. Scriptures for your weird ideas? Now you can claim the HS is the same as Jesus, the same expressions of the Father. But I do not see this viewPlease identify your 3 seperate individual god from this passageExo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.” Exo 33:21 Then Adonai said, “See, a place near Me—you will stand on the rock. Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by. Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.” All I see = the Face that no man can see - the glory of God thay we can exparience - and the image odf God All I see is the unseen Father - the Spirit (Left hand) and the Image (Right hand) D"Correct – you are a believer preaching faith R" THis is the only condition of salvation.Correct – the only condition for salvation---------------------- I note you post verses about the baptizism of the HS I was baptized in 1980. D"Ellen White – preach only the Baptism of John R" SDA people also have a praying of hands to receive additional gifts of the HS. We do not deny this, despite your limited understanding of the SDA faith. Please do not assume. You have been mocking me for 3 year over the spirit of man and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit and communion spirit to spiritMan has no spirit of his own - when man dies - the only thing that returns to God is the HS with your memories - don't you remember your own Ellen White teaching to me
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 22:43:09 GMT -5
You have to say more than that - tell us why you picked this one I agree - it sounds very singable I wish we would sing the pslams in church instead of hymms My children know a million song lyrics - and we all struggel remembering scripture I could see the lyrics projected oberhead with a bouncing ball for the congregation to follow along Larry sent me this one and asked me to add it to the list Cantor Julia Cadrain: Sanctuary (Shaker Hymn)164,303 views Mar 19, 2015 Shabbat Worship at Central Synagogue: February 20, 2015
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 22:34:19 GMT -5
D"Day 1 was not anything close to 24hrsR" Ge 1:5 ...And the evening and the morning were the first day. Where is not 24 hours in this, evening the earth turns away from the light (6pm our time), until morning the earth turns into the light (6 am our time), is called a yom (24 hrs, our time).6pm to 6am = 12hrs – not 24hrsOf course day one has no beginning, before that we get zero. What's the problem? God is not a God of time, time does not exist with God. God does not need time. There was eternity before the time for earth existed, yes. Confused – do you agree with yourself or not?Either way – Day 1 was NOT 24hrs----------- D" I suggest you read a Jewish Physicist named Gerald Schroeder R" I did, Gerald is twisting to fit evolutionary ideas into Scripture, OR – Gerald Schroeder is in total agreement with all science everywhere and all scripture everywhere – you just refuse to accept it – because you have a replacement science called creationismlike his local flood,Why must you misrepresent others – you are pathological – you can’t help yourselfDid Schroeder support the local flood idea or list it as an alternative idea Why is it wrong for a scientist to list and discuss all the data humoids before ADAM, sex with humanoids to make shedim? he has a whole gamit of weird ideas, including million of years old fossils. Gen 1 humanoids comes before Gen 2:7 Human beings
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 22:16:47 GMT -5
D" My personal goal is to be a DISCIPLE of Christ - as were the Disciples of Christ – as were the followers of Jesus Christ – as were the Apostles of Christ – as were those amazing Christians at Pentecost – as were those amazing First Christians of the Book of Acts
R" Same goal as mine Then why do you work so hard to deny their theology and replace it with your Ellen White version of Catholicism
D"Here is why I will not agree with your view you will not agree the shedim is a sinning power? You refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey God The shedim / archon oppose man – God’s Will – God’s Plan – God’s scripture
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Please explain your problem? It is God’s Will – God’s Plan – why is it a sin to obey God? God sent satan onto Job – you accuse satan of sinning God sent the angel of Death upon Egypt – you claim that angel was sinning God sent satan to force David to census – you claim it is a sin
D"All the 613 commandments are not for today – dispensation I am a New Testament Christian Every day is a Sabbath R" Really Scripture please, Where is your Scripture? I do not even light a fire on Sabbath to cook food, the torah says not to.
Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Rob asks" Now where is the anti Jewish ideas here? She is only talking about formalism and legalism, which is also common in the SDA church too. The Jews were wrong for rejecting Jesus - there is no reason they should even exist 1948 Israel is NOT prophetic - and all those Jewish End Times prophesies are not about the Jews You insist often - they do not know their own religion - language - or Torah
D"If you want to study the Law – lets go – start a new thread R" Not necessary, you don't even consider the royal torah as absolute law. (1) you do not want to know – afraid of the information (2) you refuse to answer why your Feel Good God of tov only kills and murders directly – and orders angels and man to kill and murder indirectly (3) you refuse to answer why it is a sin to obey God
D" Easy Answer – NO – you cannot earn it it is always a gift – and when it happens you will remember R" If it's a gift why do Penetcostals promote is so much? Because it is the calling – we are not call just to follow – but call to a spiritual communion
Does it make the people humble and meek? If the Lord spoke to you – you would be on fire to witness to anyone that will listen
D"1974 – I experienced a demon R" I have relatives in the family also experienced this, they do drugs ( hard and soft) and than the devil shows up. No different to your experience is it? And you probably tell them that an evil satan has the power to take them to hell – so they better be scared – worried – concerned I once bought into that crap – stop being a victim
Drunk, stoned, or stupid – a demon is just a demon – it is just a shedim / archon It has NO POWER – all it can do is suggest Take that demon – fiery serpent and run it up a pole – and expose it for all to see And realize – it is just an obstacle to overcome
You are marrying two completely different books, the Hebrew with the (Nag Hammadi) Gnostic. They are not the same, They are the same – Hebrew demonology = The Beast and his archon Which is also the demonology of the Levant and all of the 99%
Roman Catholic Fallen Angel doctrine never existed until Rome invented it
one is Hebrew the other is more or less Greek origin, maybe older? – One is Hebrew King Solomon and The Nag Hammadi Gospels were written by James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
D" Please look up – self-fulfilling prophesies You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual – to be Born Again is a myth – Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot be Yet – you seek it R" Instead of mixing my view with your view, just explain to me how you serve your Father and how salvation comes to you, let me judge your pious post So inviting – you are NOT A FAULT FINDER – you just judge other pious post
D" In the morning Paul had a belief system – he had faith in his system When he – got the connection – all his beliefs changed into the FACT of first hand knowledge Paul gnosis the Lord as a FACT R" OK but how did Paul achieve this? The physical Jesus came to Him in a vision....how many of us get an experience like this? Are we expected to ? no
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I fit into the latter, I support Jesus as real, though I have never seen him in vision.
Correct – you are a believer preaching faith The problem with Ellen White Catholicism – is that you absolutely deny there is any more
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
Robert – Ellen White – preach only the Baptism of John The Disciple taught the baptism of the Holy Spirit
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Post by Dave on Jun 21, 2022 3:47:01 GMT -5
D"That is the problem with cults – so many factions and divisions – all designed to confuse and divide
R" Isn't this what you are doing? Establishing a sect on your own? My personal goal is to be a DISCIPLE of Christ - as were the Disciples of Christ – as were the followers of Jesus Christ – as were the Apostles of Christ – as were those amazing Christians at Pentecost – as were those amazing First Christians of the Book of Acts
Today – as there has always been for 5000 years – there are 2 basic types of Jews Sadducees – guardians of the Law - authors of the Oral Law (Talmud) – focus upon the Law Pharisees – Teachers of the Torah – authors of the Kabbalah – spiritual Jews
THE CONTEXT was First Century Israel THE CONTEXT was First Century Jewish Theology The First Century First Christians were Messianic Jews All of the Disciples were Messianic Jews Their theology was 100% Jewish theology + the Messiah
Today – as there has always been for 5000 years – there are 2 basic types Messianic Jews – somewhat more orthodox practice Jews for Jesus – liberal Christians that were once Jewish
Christians today are delusional
Jesus Christ was born into the most repressive society on the planet The Greeks (Alexander) the Meads (Seludians) and not the Romans COULD NOT RULE ISRAEL – this is the inter-testament period
Alexander – banned the religion and the language slaughtered pigs in the temple to Tammuz The Maccabean Rebellion – and the Introduction of Resurrection The Maccabean Rebellion – and the Introduction of a REDEDICATION OF THE TEMPLE – Chanukah
Christians today are delusional Jesus Christ was born into the most repressive society on the planet NO Jews has an original Hebrew Torah – the best = 1080AD Leningrad Russia NO Christian has an original anything – the best = by way of Egypt and Greek No historian has any history for this time period that is NOT pro-Roman
Irenaeus began the INDEX as early as 180AD – then followed by others with the Roman system Irenaeus is called “DOCTOR of the CATHOLIC CHURCH”
THE ROMAN EDIT UPON THE FAITH
The Greeks (Alexander) the Meads (Seludians) and not the Romans COULD NOT RULE ISRAEL – why – because the Jews already have a King and a constitution
Valentinus taught – 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – church fillers 3- spiritual - Pentecostal – church leaders
Catholicism calls Valentinus a Gnostic – and teaches 1- the lost - heathen 2- believers – church fillers – dependent upon the church and its priest
3- spiritual - Pentecostal – church leaders
THE ROMAN EDIT UPON THE FAITH – Christianity survived as a pro-state population control mechanism to unite the kingdom
Why are there different factions? Because the opposing elohiym power (which you agree with me exists) does not want humans to be saved. I never did get you to agree what makes this elohiym power an opposing power? Isn't it because it does sinning daily against God? Do you agree sinning is the only thing that makes us oppose God?
Here is why I will not agree with your view – you are too satan focused – as in malevolent and malicious – and your need to oppose god is just Ellen White satan teaching
Why are there different factions? My Answer = 99.9% man = (yester ra) – SLICK WILLY – con-man 101 – can make million – tax free and be popular doing it
Is the Beast at play – sure – greed – lust – desire Does the Beast have to help man be selfish and greedy – NO
For 99.9% of the troubles in the WORLD is man vrs man – over selfish lust – greed - and power For 99.9% of our troubles – The beast laughs at us for making his job so easy Is the Beast at play – sure – greed – lust – desire Does the Beast have to help man be selfish and greedy – NO -------------------
Is the Beast at play – sure – just ask Job Does the beast rule all men as some evil force – NO BUT – the Beast can touch people personally – just ask Job
Example – The angel Mormon appears to a boy And within 25 years there are 3 million European immigrants moving to Utah
the beast touches one man – and the Jehovah’s Witness is born the beast touches one man – and the Unitarian Movement is born the beast touches one man – L Ron Hubbard – amazing example – Tom Cruze the beast touches one man – Harold camp – another Millerite type movement the beast touches one man – Reverend Jimmy Jones the beast touches one man – Creationist with wooden Arks as museams Creationist have done as much to harm the faith as Darwin ------------
Sinning does 4 main things against God. ( the same idea of the ANcient CHinese) 1) It develops pride, so we become an opposing elohiym power – Self (yester ra) 4) And we become selfish, rather than share. – What I said (yester ra)
Once a week on Ceasing Day we are to share God with others, but instead we boast, and seek rewards from men. SEE – I do not like your teaching – what is this once a week crap
This is what sinning does. The shedim are proud powers, The shedim make the world into a covering of success The shedim speak worlds of vanity, they make you into movie stars, but only promise a short time of glory The shedim practice self and selfishness. OK ---------
D"Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture R" I have been through this with you, no she does not contradict science, nor scripture.
You never did go though my testing of her word meanings I have tested her using Jeff Benner for over 30 words of Hebrew. D"Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture
D"I’ll just stick with Judaism 101 and its Messiah who gave us the Gospel R I see, so you support the Jewish torah do you and obey all the 613 commands? Including the Seventh Day Sabbath? All the 613 commandments are not for today – dispensation I am a New Testament Christian Every day is a Sabbath
I got this Messanic message today"
I quote " The mezuzah is a wonderful way to make our decision to follow God public knowledge. It reminds us of the Covenant we each have with the God of Israel. … Please pray for the Jewish people, that the mezuzah on the doorposts of their homes will be a meaningful reminder to love God with all their heart, mind, soul and strength.
The Christian mezuzah is called a Crucifix and Christians dangle it from their necks I am married to a Filipino – every one of them has the Last Supper hanging on their dining room wall I have been in so many homes with a picture of Jesus on the wall I live in Hispanic country – a lot of people have old bathtubs standing upright in the yard with a Madonna in it
SO one thing I will see should I visit your home on the door post is, the mezuzah, and inside contains the torah portion of God's protection. We have two houses – one in town and one in the country The house in town is my wife’s domain – you will know you are in a Christian home by what you will see The house in the country is my domain – my office space – you would be overwhelmed with my desk and library
I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony. If you knew your Torah as a Jew – you would understand more where these ideas come from and how they are used
Hat – why 1- Exodus 25? – if you are going to teach wear a Miter – pointy cat Christian – we are all called to teach Jer 5? – we cover our heads – to cover our same before the lord
Is it mandated – no – we do it because we choose to please the lord by following scripture Amish man said to me once = the brim of his hat is a reminder he is overshadowed by a higher power His mezuzah I love walking into a new church with my hat on - they all look at me funny Then I take my hat off to expose my yamaka and suddenly – I am more orthodox than them It is a amazing transition – and a stupid THING
If you want to study the Law – lets go – start a new thread Most of them are designed for the survival of the tribe A lot of them are about their theocracy – how to run a government Many of the most stupid and bazar requirements were for the temple priest Many of them deal with Korbats – not sacrifice Only a few of them are hard to understand
New testament Gnostic Paul was a tent maker It is a rare Christian that understand this to mean he made prayer shawls – with tities I wear one a part of my parade – rarely I thought I would use it more at home – but I sort of use in in spurts Why call it a tent – because it is a ‘port-a-temple’ – a private hidden place where it is just you and the Lord
Is it required – NO – why is it tradition Because – in the wilderness all they had was God and His Tent – closing yourself off from the out courtyard and its distractions – to wrap yourself in the tent you are entering the inner sanctum with God – one on one
I do not mind these extra Jewish ideas, I wonder how much of them has become formalism and ceremony.
I am off line and away from my desk (in my car actually) but Mezuzah = marking your doorpost as in Passover
Tradition - Tefalin - is it scriptural – YES – and/or maybe Scripture says – put the word of God on your foreheads so you don’t forget it --------------
You often say I deny the HS.
I have been training myself to reach higher levels of Gods grace within me. But the voice of God to me, I need fervent prayer and fasting.
Mt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
So my question to you is, this speaking in other languages, from heaven, have the people done fervent prayer and fasting first, before achieving this higher level of God's grace?
Easy Answer – NO Paul hated Jesus when he started doe that road to Damascus God can reach down and USE anyone he wants – to facilitate God’s Will on earth
William Tyndale – priest for decades - translated a New Testament into English Admitted from prison before his death – he never really understood until God touched him in the night
St. Francis of Assis – if you do not know his story – you should buy his bio today Freak – weirdo – possessed – healed with the touch – met face to face with Soldhine and lived - died crazy speaking in lounges
So my question to you is, this speaking in other languages, from heaven, have the people done fervent prayer and fasting first, before achieving this higher level of God's grace?
Easy Answer – NO – you cannot earn it it is always a gift – and when it happens you will remember
speaking in other languages Dave’s impression – I know some folk that I greatly admire – there are a few prophetic people around that I admire – visions and messages are on the INCREASE
I attended a Pentecostal group for a while – there was a day in Utah when I almost took the calling to come up to have hands laid upon me
I rate the group much like a see the UFO phenomena There is some truth there – and a whole bunch of (yester ra) wrapped up in religion The only thing wrong with the group is the same thing wrong with all the groups – there way = their only way – if you can’t you don’t fit in – only generates pretenders -------------
Often in my prayers God does not grant an act of amanuah as God could and I ask why? The answer I get is pride or presumption. One has to learn more humility and meekness. Do you understand these things? Your advice would be nice. Walking in a deeper level of Jesus' spirit, is a difficult thing, as you can read of my experience, but I am training myself to achieve this.
Since you asked – I will be blunt Your Ellen White version of Christianity is an abomination – it has stunted your spiritual growth – because you are not spiritual – you mock the entire concept
You suffer from lack of overview Meaning you do not understand the Word of God as a whole You are a lazy Christian just most are – we read the parts that interest us – the parts that support our views
All I can do is give you my own witness 1974 – I experienced a demon The vocabulary was not around yet – today I would testify as experiencing a “Shadow Person” 2002 – I am TRYING to be a good Christian – on the church board June Hill – credible witness – worked hard for the church experienced a “Shadow Person” “Church” sent her to a ‘shrink’ – mental health professional
“church “ did NOT have any answers for her or for me If you admit you saw something – you end up with the UFO crowd I have met 2 people in my life that I do not doubt One of them threw their business and career out the window and lost her home The other was a granddaughter of a major player in the 1947 Roswell crash
I will never doubt someone who says – they saw something
My wife will swear she and 6 other girls saw ‘ghost’ in Mindanao Philippines Smack in Muslim country
I will never doubt someone who says – they saw something For me – I am a spirit believer
2005 – October 6th – around midnight – I listened to an interview with Dr J. Marvin Herndon BOOM – I did not sleep for 3 days – could not stop writing Every time I stopped – I had to return to say something else
My life changed – and for 6 months or more I was on fire My web-site – my Theory – the beginning of the ThD process and my first Book – which is my Doctoral Thesis
2010 I bought my first Nag Hammadi However – to be honest – I don’t think my real conversion happened until 2012/13 I was working for medical-traveler.gov - and took my family to an Indian Reservation Again – I met some really interesting people – spirit believers – all of them One patient was sick for years – until excised – never to retune as a patient One of my staff – Indian girl swore she saw little people in her house as a child Her brother and sister all said the same thing After the children left home – Mom saw them
Back to my personal confession 1974 I experienced a demon – I have felt more haunted then blessed YES – my manic depressive nature – fueled my anxiety I tried to be a Christian – yet was Horney all the time Tried to walk the walk – but couldn’t – GUILT TRIP
As a manic I tried too hard – only to fail miserably
Even in 2012 - I always wondered – other people say they experience angels and god Not my experience – why am I different - do I have a personal demon?
Nag Hammadi archon are simply Jewish shedim They are not Catholic satan – they are a bother – a nuisance – a hindrance EXPOSE THEM and tell them to piss off
Not my experience – why am I different - do I have a personal demon? YES – because I am Job Has my life been NICE – no I am Job AM I CURSED – NO – I AM BLESSED – because I am Job
I once saw my mania as a cures with demons – but in it all I realize how much I have been blessed I am NOT dead – that’s a miracle – I would not be ME today – if I wasn’t the me of my youth and my mistakes
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
I would like to think – my life witness to my sisters has been effective – as well as my children ------------------- Now these things are not rituals nor ceremonies of formalism, they are things I do to achieve a closer walk with Jesus and thus get a deeper communion of His spirit. If you have any advice in achieving this training, I will listen,
Again – to be blunt – you can be the best Jehovah’s Witness as you can be – I will worry of your salvation Please look up – self-fulfilling prophesies You deny the spirit – man is not spiritual – to be Born Again is a myth – Jesus didn’t know what He was talking about - the HS is not Christ – the communion is not sprit to spirit – cannot be Yet – you seek it
but over the years you speak of Gnosis, something that is nebulous in my view. It's not about knowledge (daath) but about intimacy (yada), getting a personal connection to Jesus. When Paul met Jesus as a dazzling blinding light, he got the connection.
In the morning Paul had a belief system – he had faith in his system When he – got the connection – all his beliefs changed into the FACT of first hand knowledge Paul gnosis the Lord as a FACT
that is nebulous in my view. Again – you deny the spirit – you have no spirituality
3 types of Christians 1- the lost – pretenders – Christ will say never knew you 2- believers – saved by faith – proportional punishment unto Pardon 3- Spiritual – FACT – Gnosis – Divine Pardon – Born Again – First Fruits
When Peter betrayed the Lord Jesus three times, He realized what He had lost. Peter did not lose anything – he was convicted by his own (yeater tov) that he was guilty
I find it strange that pioneers and Ellen White did fasting and prayer in the early days of our church
Fasting – many benefits – all across the board Recommended by – Yoga – Hinduism – Daoism – Buddhism – Islam – Judaism and Christianity Fact – it cleanse toxins from your body
Fact – when your body thinks it is starving – and your blood sugars drop really low – a meditative state can become hallucinogenic – A fast is required for Iawaska – and for Peyote
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2022 23:07:01 GMT -5
D" Day 1 has no beginning – it is the Time God existed – it represents eternity NOT 24 hrs Of course day one has no beginning, before that we get zero. What's the problem?What happened to 24hrs?So what are you saying?Day 1 was not anything close to 24hrsD"YOU ARE JUST PLAYING A WORD GAME – and I’m done playing it R" What? do Jews speak of prophetic time, I suggest you read a Jewish Physicist named Gerald SchroederD"Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Which WORD is the Father Word – or do you have to deny this scripture as well R" There is no word for Father here. So – at least you admit it – you deny the agl/NT Is that because John was a Gnostic? – or has Ellen White taught you to disregard the New TestamentD" I have no idea why you feel the need to reword my statement into some error God’s love is unrequited – He loves his creation – R" Because I do not use big fancy words, so rewrite your idea in a simpler set of words, like I do, OK?Buy an English dictionary! Unrequited – adjective - (of a feeling, especially love) not returned or rewarded.Where is the personal love and loving within elohiym itself? You don't have any?Religious gobblity gook D" If I do why do you accuse me of believing in modality R" big fancy words again, YOU INTRODUCED THIS “WORD” AS A REBUTTEL TO THE TRINITYD" If you do not see them as separate beings – then you belive in modality Please make up your mind R" Modality is the idea that the Father is all there is. DUH – THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD!Your idea the Father makes three copies of Himself is weird.D" I have no idea why you feel the need to reword my statement into some errorWill you now reject the Torah because Moses is a Gnostic?Your idea the Father makes three copies of Himself is weird.How do you get that from Exo 33:20-23? D" I have no idea why you feel the need to reword my statement into some error Why do you need to misrepresent me and others to justify your church doctrine? It is a false witness - deliberateD" Either you support Ellen White and she is perfect - or you do not R" Mrs White was never against Jews. LIE – it is core SDA teachingadventistreview.org/2007-1531/2007-1531-8/How Should Christians View Israel? The growth of “Christian Zionism” has raised concerns—and questions—among Seventh-day Adventists … in recent months: How should Christians view Israel, both as a political reality and a prophetic question? Is the modern-day state of Israel a fulfillment of Bible prophecy? And what about the small, but growing, Adventist community in Israel? Unlike many evangelical churches, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does not support a “dispensational” view of prophecy. … The 1948 establishment of the State of Israel, an outgrowth of the Nazi Holocaust in which 6 million Jews were killed, is viewed by Adventists as a political, not a prophetic event. Read more at: adventistreview.org/2007-1531/2007-1531-8/R" Mrs White was never against Jews.How many times have you thrown your temper tantrum – The Jews do NOT know their own Torah - their own theology – or their own language(google) Do Seventh-day Adventists believe in dispensationalism?Adventists reject dispensationalist theology YES YOU DO – you didn’t even know the term until you met me
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2022 6:08:06 GMT -5
D" Oh so you do understand TWO CLOCKS and two frames of perspective R" The day for a year principle is for prophetic time. STOP YOUR DOUBLE TALK – a day is 24hr – it can mean no other – it is all local time frame perspective
Ge 1:5 And the evening and the morning was day one. This is exactly how you describe local yom time, even if humans are not around yet. Day 1 has no beginning – it is the Time God existed – it represents eternity NOT 24 hrs
D" Oh so you can argue both perspective as your own when you need it to fit your argument R" You are misquoting Scripture.... YOU ARE JUST PLAYING A WORD GAME – and I’m done playing it
D" You do NOT have One Supreme beings – you have three independent god beings working together R" Not so, the SDA consider the Father supreme in rank,
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Which WORD is the Father Word – or do you have to deny this scripture as well
D” God’s love IS unrequited R"God’s love is NOT unrequited – it has to be relational
R" You are saying the Father can love himself. And keep on loving Himself until other creatures respond. So you are saying SELF LOVE exists, in the Father. Both of these ideas are false.
I have no idea why you feel the need to reword my statement into some error God’s love is unrequited – He loves his creation – even if His creation doesn’t love Him back God love is unrequited – the very definition of Grace
D"God is unable to love by himself R" Yes, Why do you teach your god is weak and is unable to love his creation without having a helper
D"you are on the record – love is relational – not unrequited Therefor there has to be multiple gods – so that love can exist between them R" Yes, but you see "them" as separate beings, I do not. If they are not separate beings – then why can’t your Christ pray to God the Father? If they are not separate beings – then why do you teach they are a family of 3 different gods R" Yes, but you see "them" as separate beings, I do not. If I do why do you accuse me of believig in modality R" Yes, but you see "them" as separate beings, I do not. If you do not see them as separate beings – then you belive in modality Please make up your mind
It is hard to keep all your different agruments seperate - do you know what you believe or not
D" SDA – deny 1948 Israel – Jews have no place in future prophesy R" Not sure I woudl agree, as we are spiritual Jews. Either you support Ellen White and she is perfect - or you do not
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Post by Dave on Jun 20, 2022 5:43:33 GMT -5
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of Gnosis falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
Why would Gnostic Paul write so badly about Gnosis? Something is wrong with your idea of Paul? OF course you teach Paul wrote against himself, James, John, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas Something is wrong with your word game of the word Gnosis?
How do you know Paul was a Gnostic? Just because some letters of Paul survive that seem to have Gnostic material in them? How do you know they were written by Paul? BECAUSE HE IS LISTED ON THE ROMAN INDEX – along with the writings of James, John, Phillip, and Thomas Because there are multiple works of Paul placed upon the Index Have you read the 3rd or 4th epistle from Paul to Corinth? Also on the Roman Index is all the works of Erasmus – the author of your received text
I mean if the White estate published some letters written by Mrs White that seemed contrary to everything else she wrote about, "Houston we have a problem". I would reject the latter writings, as a deception We have a SDA sect that rejects all published books of Ellen White, except for the 1870 editions, Now that is an extreme sect.
That is the problem with cults – so many factions and divisions – all designed to confuse and divide
The first thing one must do is compare latter writings against the Moses teachings. Her 8th grade science fails the test of time She contradicts scripture and she has you believing that satan is a god She denies Isreal and the future prophesies within scripture
I’ll just stick with Judaism 101 and its Messiah who gave us the Gospel Then I do not have to deny any scripture – or rewrite any scripture to bend it to my doctrine
Why do you feel the need to replace Christianity with yet another layer of religion?
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