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Post by Dave on Apr 14, 2022 18:27:34 GMT -5
BUT you do not wish to discuss amanuah, you keep going to "belief", a meaningless word in English. I pity you lack of Hebrew passion. You stick to your meaningless word.WORD GAME – call it by any name you like Robert – BELIEF is all that is required for salvation I know you want to make it hard and dutiful – filled with obligation and ritual But it is EASY – required no effort – only belieftried to show you how faith works, but you ignored my posts. I would really ask you, to discuss amanuah with me, so we learn what this process is about, as it is the only way humans are saved daily.DAILY RITUAL if you are saved why do you need to resaved dailyI posted you position here to this forum – we discussed it in detail – the thread is still here Do you have more to add to it – if you need to change something – do it – stop talking about it What does Faith mean? by Roberttponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/542/faith-mean-roberttYour last post on the subject[/font]
Now I cannot speak German nor translate. But I notice some things Notice my method is not a method of translation, but a method of ensuring the words in Danish are consistent and correct. So why does the KJV translate words in Hebrew with more than one different English word? It spoils the consistency of the translation.Easy Answer – translation tries to capture the meaning of the textYou just want to play a word game – that reveals none of the depth of translationThis was just another large example of how your word games fails to help you grasp the meaning of the text
D"filled with obligation and ritual R" Whatever that means..... What do you mean - I would really ask you, to discuss amanuah with me, so we learn what this process is about, as it is the only way humans are saved daily. --------------------------------------
D"God opposes man – therefore by your own definition – your God is satan R" No, show me a single verse where GOD opposes man? The only verse I know is GOD opposes Baalim So your answer is - absolutely never - except when he does So consistant
How strange, your Gnostic writings say GOD intentionally created RA creature to love sinning, This is why our conversation goes nowhere – you misrepresent me – so you can argue against your own version
It is disrespectful – but you do not care It is dishonest – but you do not care It lacks acasdemic honesty - but you do not care
Cows are (yester ra) creatures – God made them Baboons are (yester ra) creatures – God made them Man is a (yester ra) creature – God man man The Archon are (yester ra) creatures
You misrepresent this to be – Cows are evil – Baboons are Evil – man is evil – just so you Beast can be evil
Your pretend ignorance does not a serious conversation make
He created archons who love RA. Because you refuse to define your terms – be honest – you mean God created the archon to be evil – this is a Roman Catholic Fallen Angel bias I have never sais this – the NHL has never implied this – jewish demonology does not imply it either
You twist Scripture and God into creating one universe AGAIN – you just cannot stop yourself – it is called pathological God created a multiverse – our universe is only 1/10th of it
SO if the archons who love RA tempt humans to do sinning, Again – you own Roman Catholic Fallen Angel version If the archon – who love evil – tempt humans to do (more evil) You are sick with evil thoughts and praise an evil god
The archon were created with (yester ra) just like cows, ants, or baboons YES – they keep man sidetracked so man does not have the time to focus upon the HS
If God is both the creator of ra and tov, why must the humans choose freely between the two? Free will you say? BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHOICE – GOD OR WORLD Tov – move toward God Ra - move away from God THAT IS THE CHOICE – GOD OR WORLD
OK but you have GOD creating SIN in a natural creature, without free will? Now you switch to sin – because you refuse to define your terms Animals with (yester ra) are programmed to - ‘go forth and multiply’- self-preservation = survival of the species Why is it evil to obey God? Why is it a sin to obey God
You make God into something unfair. Everyone has a different life – and a different lifespan My God judges fairly – your God is Black or White – Heaven or Hell - no mercy
God hates RA proverbs says. Your view is totally weird. Of course God hates evil – you’re the only one talking about evil and sin - ‘go forth and multiply’- self-preservation = survival of the species – is evil and sin according to you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 5:50:32 GMT -5
D"BELIEF is all that is required for salvation R" OK so what does BELIEF mean to you?
What does one have to do to experience salvation?
We need only BELIEF and grow then. Please explain this term of yours.
D"Easy Answer – translation tries to capture the meaning of the text You just want to play a word game – that reveals none of the depth of translation R" I suggest you ask Jeff Benner this, not me.
I follow and support Jeff as I like what He presents.
Hebrew should be a pure language with little polysemy in it.
D"In Greek = (Kiss the son) = grasp/entrap - education /training/chastisement No matter how you look at it – there is a deeper expression – a deeper meaning than just KISS SON R" The word "SON" is not even there
Ps 2:12 Kiss the SEED, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
The word means "seed". That is significant. Becaused a "son" is a "Seed" of yourself, that continues the love in the home.
D"This was just another large example of how your word games fails to help you grasp the meaning of the text R" You think?
Well take it up with Jeff Benner, not me
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1043) 6F (6F BR) ac: Feed co: Grain ab: ?: The pictograph F is a picture of a tent but also represents the family which resides inside the tent. The V is a picture of a head. Combined these have the meaning of "family of heads". The plant families of grains such as wheat and barley have a cluster of seeds at the top of the stalk called "heads". These grains were used for food for both man and livestock. (eng: barley - a grain; beer - made from grain; boar - as fat; barn - grain storage; pure - as clean with soap with an exchange for the p and b) A) 6F (6F BR) ac: ? co: Grain ab: ?: Grains grown in fields were used for meal to make flour as well as feed for livestock. The stalks of the grains were burned to make potash for making soap. What is cleaned with soap becomes white or bright. Nm) 6F (6F BR) — I. Grain: Grain, and field, as a place for growing grain. II. Soap: Made from the ashes of the grain stalks. III. Clean: Cleanliness from soap. Also pure as a moral cleanliness. [freq. 33] |kjv: corn, wheat, son, about, clean, pur, choice, clear, purely, son| {str: 1248, 1249, 1250, 1251} The Hebrew word BR means "seed", not "SON".
Jeff suggests polysemy, but I try to make it have a single meaning. ---------------------------------
D"Cows are (yester ra) creatures – God made them Baboons are (yester ra) creatures – God made them Man is a (yester ra) creature – God man man The Archon are (yester ra) creatures R" Now you say God created all creatures with "yester ra" ? I thought when you made this term, it meant the free will of the creature to choose good rather than do ra? Have you changed your mind.
I can understand lions might do RA since the curse of God over creatures after Adam sinned, but never would I agree with you GOD made all his creatures with yester RA (whatever that means to you)
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In Judaism, yetzer hara (Hebrew: יֵצֶר הַרַע yēṣer haraʿ) is the congenital inclination to do evil, by violating the will of God. The term is drawn from the phrase "the imagination of the heart of man [is] evil" (יֵצֶר לֵב הָאָדָם רַע, yetzer lev-ha-adam ra), which occurs twice at the beginning of the Torah. Genesis 6:5 and 8:21. The Hebrew word "yetzer" having appeared twice in Genesis occurs again at the end of the Torah: "I knew their devisings that they do".[1] Thus from beginning to end the heart's "yetzer" is continually bent on evil. You are using this term out of its Jewish context. Other animals cannot do yester ra. They can only do RA, but than again I am stumbling over your terms, and your word games you play.
THis study doesn't help either
"Carnal? By Skip Moen, Ph.D. August 7, 2009 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able {to do so,} Romans 8:7
The Mind Set On The Flesh – How are you doing in your fight for sinless perfection? Are you winning the battle every day or have you suffered defeats? Are you a sanctified soul or a carnal Christian?
Do these questions bother you? They should.
Somewhere along the way, Christianity embraced the Greek metaphysics of the body/mind/soul split. When this alien concept crept into Christian thinking, it eventually led to the postulation of a carnal Christian, the believer who has confessed Christ as Savior but does not live with Christ as Lord. This is the person whose life is characterized by actions that do not glorify God but at the same time claims God’s forgiveness and acceptance. The “carnal” Christian has a body under sin’s control but a soul that belongs to God. What? Does that mean God saves only part of this person? Does that mean that what happens in my body doesn’t really matter as long as my soul is saved? A careful reading of the Bible endorses none of this Greek nonsense, but it certainly is a popular way of explaining behavior. Perhaps we need to take another look at Paul’s famous comments about “carnal” Christians (the King James translation of this phrase).
The critical Greek word is phronema. This word covers the entire translated phrase, “the mind set on”. Phronema means “what one has in mind, purposes or thoughts.” In this case, Paul says the purpose or thoughts of this mental condition is sarx, the flesh. This should remind us of the passage in Genesis 6:5, “the intent of the thoughts of the heart.” But notice that the Hebrew equivalent does not suggest a split spiritual state where men confess God but act disobediently. In the Genesis equivalent, the thoughts of their minds were given over to evil and, as a result, God brought judgment upon the earth. These were a long way from the “carnal” Christian bifurcation we find today.
R" Jews have to use big words?
In Genesis, intent and purpose in thoughts leads directly to judgment, not excuse. In the ancient world, if your mind was filled with purposes of the flesh, you were not standing in God’s grace. You were not redeemed. You died in the flood along with all the other evil people in the world because the mind whose purposes and intents are determined by sarx is the enemy of God. In Hebrew thought, this is yester ha’ra run amuck.
Paul is a Jewish Messianic rabbi. Do you suppose that he entertained the Greek tripartate division of human beings (body, mind and soul)? Not likely. Paul’s anthropology was homogenized; the neshama or nefesh was one person all mixed up together embodied in this world. God doesn’t save the soul and leave the body to rot. That’s Greek, not Hebrew. So, if Paul would never have accepted the division of human being into parts, then how could he possibly suggest that spiritual existence could be divided between the carnal and the spiritual?
R" Funny saying that. No division of human parts. But Dave has spirit + body.
If the purposes and intents of my mind (read neshama or nefesh) are filled with hostility toward God, doesn’t that force us to conclude that such a person is not redeemed? After all, this person is an enemy, not a humble seeker. This person is dominated by the yester ha’ra, not struggling against the evil inclination in order to be obedient to the Lord.
Does that mean that Christians are only those who no longer experience the fight for personal holiness? Of course not. That fight goes on for a long, long time. But the person who isn’t fighting probably isn’t domesticated to God. I am either motivated to obey and struggling to do so, or I am capitulating to the evil inclination and comfortable with the result. I am either fighting for God or fighting against Him. There are no fence-sitters in this war."
Rob" I suggest you define your terms, and make some discussion.
D" Because you refuse to define your terms – be honest – you mean God created the archon to be evil – this is a Roman Catholic Fallen Angel bias I have never sais this – the NHL has never implied this – jewish demonology does not imply it either R" OH sorry, so when God created the archons, they have yester ra, but this is NOT evil? Is that your view?
I thought RA and thinking RA is evil? That is what Scripture teaches me?
So what kind of creatures are the archons than? They tempt man to sin, I get that.
Archons have Yester RA in them? Is that correct? But they do not do evil? D"God created a multiverse – our universe is only 1/10th of it R" OH sorry, God created a multi verse with ten demensions? or one universe with ten demensions?
D"YES – they keep man sidetracked so man does not have the time to focus upon the HS R" OH... no more than meat ants who bite me, keep me side tracked not to focus on GOD?
OK I get it.
That's an influence in the world we live in. Question: So can archons speak into your conscience, and make suggestions to help us do bad things?
D"Tov – move toward God Ra - move away from God THAT IS THE CHOICE – GOD OR WORLD R" I see, so SIN is just the movement of humans away from GOD to live selfishly in the world?
Why does God speak of "have no other elohiyms" before My Face?
Why does the archons make themselves into elohiym powers if they are just mere cow like or babboon like creatures?
Why do they have this higher power of yester RA, to think more differently than say ordinary animals?
How come archons can speak, but other ordinary animals cannot speak, to humans I mean?
Help me to understand the functional role of these archons you speak of and what was they are like?
If they are biological (made of some matter) you said before, why can't we see them?
Why did God allow them to have sex with humans? Why didn't GOD stop them going against their intended programming?
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Post by Dave on Apr 15, 2022 6:16:07 GMT -5
D"BELIEF is all that is required for salvation R" OK so what does BELIEF mean to you? Belief is an intelligent choice based on the evidence your biological brain interprets I believe you live in Australia – all I have is your word – I have no empirical evidence
What does one have to do to experience salvation? All that is required is belief
We need only BELIEF and grow then. Please explain this term of yours. Belief is the beginning – then you can learn more and your belief can become stronger – held with greater conviction- the more you learn the more you understand the more you recognize what is in your sight
D"Easy Answer – translation tries to capture the meaning of the text You just want to play a word game – that reveals none of the depth of translation R" I suggest you ask Jeff Benner this, not me. You pick and choose when to belief Jeff Brenner and when not to
I can translate – and have for years – can you? Your comments about something you do not know or understand is just ignorance
The Archon are (yester ra) creatures R" Now you say God created all creatures with "yester ra" ? I thought when you made this term, it meant the free will of the creature to choose good rather than do ra? Have you changed your mind. My theology has always been consistent to you and with you
I can understand lions might do RA Please explain to me why you consider feeding you family under God commandment to go forth and multiply is a sin and evil
D"God created a multiverse – our universe is only 1/10th of it R" OH sorry, God created a multi verse with ten demensions Your pretend ignorance smacks at your level of diligence
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Post by Dillon on Apr 15, 2022 14:41:49 GMT -5
R" OK so what does BELIEF mean to you? Belief is an intelligent choice based on the evidence your biological brain interprets I believe you live in Australia – all I have is your word – I have no empirical evidence
What does one have to do to experience salvation? All that is required is belief
This is so true. With my vpn I can be Australian, Russian, French, South African, and about 20 others to pick from. Charities begging for money in Kenya were actually two rich guys in Montreal Canada. Two different charities for the flood victims in Texas went straight to the ccp. All of them were secret identities hiding behind the internet. Face Book blocked many people because they were foreign agents causing trouble.
Did you hear Elon’s comments about starlink and free speech? Today we are fed the American version, or the EU version, and now it is obvious with the Russian version. All of it a pro-something propaganda. Total access to all western, eastern, Russian, Indian, Chinese, right wing, left wing, big and small. Will it finally make us a global community?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 16:16:47 GMT -5
D"Belief is an intelligent choice based on the evidence your biological brain interprets I believe you live in Australia – all I have is your word – I have no empirical evidence
R" I understand from your comments you are using the Hebrew word "daath"
NOT "amanuah".
Daath "door sees" what our eyes see and learn or perceive through the door of our conscious mind.
Jeff Benner agrees, knowledge.
Dillon raises an interesting question "Will it finally make us a global community?"
Dave you didn't answer my eager questions about the archons
Why does the archons make themselves into elohiym powers if they are just mere cow like or babboon like creatures?
Why do archons have this higher power of yester RA, to think more differently than say ordinary animals?
How come archons can speak, but other ordinary animals cannot speak, to humans I mean?
Help me to understand the functional role of these archons you speak of and what was they are like?
If they are biological (made of some matter) you said before, why can't we see them?
Why did God allow them to have sex with humans? Why didn't GOD stop them going against their intended programming?
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Post by Dave on Apr 16, 2022 6:06:56 GMT -5
Will it finally make us a global community?NO – and the reason I use is that scripture never present humanity as a type 1 civilization. Scripture paints a repressive totalitarian future. Scripture actually paints an Islamic Caliphate future - No man may buy or sell without the mark of the Beast. Famine and Pestilence. World Peace is a nice concept – it is not prophetic If I were Elon – I would realize this world is on a collision course with its own fate Trump appreciated Elon for what Elon has to offer America The left here only wants to tax him – one hand of Government encouraged him id invest $$$$$$ in Texas and then would let him fly. NASA has been going back to the moon for 50 years – Elon cannot be allowed to embarrass them. Forcing him to Florida to take his company for America’s own. Biden pushes Green Energy – but will not recognize Tesla If I were Elon – I would buy my own country – Hati – Costa Rica – be his own government Pretend – He bought an Island nation and called it the Federation with the stated goal of moving off-world – I think all the experts would flock to his new country. This way he would not have to work with any Government – Governments would come to him. --------------- R" I understand from your comments you are using the Hebrew word "daath" NOT "amanuah".No one cares about your word game Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. G4100 – πιστεύω - to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with. All that is required for salvation is belief – your attempt to make it more complicated than that is satanic Believers are saved – all of them – good ones and bad ones 1st belief – then Born Again First Fruits Dave you didn't answer my eager questions about the archons Why does the archons make themselves into elohiym powers if they are just (yester ra) creaturesWhy did Caesar make himself a god? Why was Ito considered a god? Why did the King of Tyre think himself god? Answer – arrogance (yester ra) Why do archons have this higher power of yester RA, to think more differently than say ordinary animals? How come archons can speak, but other ordinary animals cannot speak, to humans I mean?Why are Chimpanzees more talented than gold fish? Gen 3:1 But the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field that Adonai Elohim made.Help me to understand the functional role of these archons you speak of and what was they are like?What a great place to start - the rise and fall of King Solomon Please comment on the life and trials of King Solomon - it is ahl/OT I am happy to read your research and comment where I can. What are they like – after watching it– or reading that thread You tell me what are they like?Why did God allow them to have sex with humans? Why didn't GOD stop them going against their intended programming?How come you think President Putin is bad? He is the only person not willing to support the New World Order, hence the Masons hate him. Putin is bombing bio labs the Masons use for child trafficking. … no war is over here. So somebody is listening to fake news. God bless President Putin. Why does God allow his creature to rape and murder civilians by the 1000s – level entire cities with artillery fire – drop 12 year old boys into wells – or post videos of the young girls they have taken as trophies of war And why does God make some men stupid – unable to see reality all around them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 16:04:18 GMT -5
Greetings Dave
I have been doing some reading of Genesis 4, and there are developed two people groups, one dwelled on the East of Eden under Cain, and there is listed 7 generations under Cain and his line, people who did not follow God, like Lamech who boasted he was 77 times more evil than his ancestor Cain who was 7 times more evil.
At the same time Eve bore another Son to replace Abel, called Seth, who also fathered a different line of people....
Ge 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. (KJV)
What is recorded about this line is they called on the Name of YHWH. They followed YHWH correctly as they have Adam and Eve and elders of this group.
Adam lived to see eight generations, from Seth to Lamech.
Adam made sure the Seth line were the Sons of God, and supported YHWH.
However towards the end of Adam's reign, the Sons of God began to see the daughter of men (from Cain's line) as fair and so the humans mingled righteousness with unrighteousness. Hence the righteousness of human dwindled down until only the family of Noah was left. The whole human race became RA except for Noah, and 8 remaining humans.
Your account of angels or archons having sex with humans is completely absurd.
There is not Scripture suggesting this, the phrase "sons of God" refers to those who choose God.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
This scripture parallels the sons of God to include the morning stars, so one can surmise the angels are morning stars who also support God. The sons of God here cannot be humans (not created yet) and thus we surmise refers to the other unfallen creatures of other unfallen worlds.
There is no Scripture speaking about the creature of archons anywhere in Scripture, being created as a being. (Hence you go looking for this in the Gnostic writings)
You didn't answer my questions about your archons, very well either, so I conclude you do not care to justify your theories of archons?
The only creature apart from ordinary animals being created, who are as intelligent as humans are the cherub, who was created. But you ignore that verse and claim the Bible cannot be trusted when you see so called minor parts you do not like from the torah as a whole.
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"The Bible is the inspired, inerrant, and infallible Word of God. Every person who has experienced a life-transforming encounter with Jesus understands the importance and power of the Word of God for their lives. We are able to say with the apostle Paul, “God must be true, even if everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in Your words and triumph when you judge” (Rom. 3:4).
D"No one cares about your word game
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Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
That Word is Hebrew, and the Hebrew words are the language and purpose of GOD for man. If you seek to play and twist Jesus to mean something else, that is your business.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
We are admonished to speak the WORD correctly according the the Moses torah account and the testimonies or prophetic words added to this former torah.
Mt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Words are important, they are constructs of power. Human words have no power, only the Hebrew words have power because they are promised powers from God when you say them with humility and meekness. That is what the process of amanuah means.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 16, 2022 19:47:52 GMT -5
Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. So why do you deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate?Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. We are admonished to speak the WORD correctly according the the Moses torah account and the testimonies or prophetic words added to this former torah.
Words are important, they are constructs of powerWhich one of us has a 5000 year old consistent theology based upon One True God And which one of us has a pantheon of good gods struggling against the god of ra in a Great Controversy? There is no Scripture speaking about the creature of archons anywhere in Scripture, being created as a being. Why do you work so hard to deny the Beast of Revelation – that old serpent – that man calls devils and satanas? Why do you work so hard to deny our real struggel (Eph 6:12) Why do you deny Col 1:16 = made by Him for HimYou didn't answer my questions about your archons, very well either, so I conclude you do not care to justify your theories of archons?MY ANSWER TO YOU STILL STANDS! Help me to understand the functional role of these archons you speak of and what was they are like?
Please comment on the life and trials of King Solomon - it is ahl/OT I am happy to read your research and comment where I can. What are they like – after watching it– or reading that thread You tell me what are they like?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 14:05:17 GMT -5
D"So why do you deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate? R Brevity Dave, adds no discussion and unpacking of his words? What on earth are you talking about Dave?
Jesus did not need incarnating Himself with Divinity, He is already divine.
Nobody can incarnate immortality. A creature cannot be given immortal sparks of divinity as you claim.
Jesus was the pre-existing YHWH from eternity.
Sadly I notice my Messanic Jews do not write this"
As is written in Kohelet (Ecclesiastes), "The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7) The New Testament Book of Hebrews describes the great men and women of faith. Some women received their dead back to life again, while "others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection" (Hebrews 11:35)
They add this without discussion, and one reads why this is added? Twisting the verses, to add Jewish insight they do not write.... And they write this about the Lord Jesus, which I write clearly is YHWH-Jesus.
"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also" (John 14:2-3) Come, Adon Yeshua. Come!
I feel sorry for Messanic Jews who think Jesus is only Adon Jesus. He is more than that. Much more. So to get back to your silly notions you write, Jesus was incarnated with humanity over His divinity.
Again I write clearly YHWH-Jesus who is a member of elohiym, incarnate Himself with humanity.
Messanic Jews are afraid to admit this, they write Adon Jesus, not YHWH-Jesus, as I support.
D" What are they like – after watching it– or reading that thread You tell me what are they like? R" SO you are going to present stuff King SOlomon wrote, apparently He used shedim to help build the Holy Temple of God? If David wasn't allowed to build the temple because he killed too much, why on earth would God allow RA creatures to help build it? Show me your studies of Solomon than. Does Solomon explain where shedim come from? Or am I supposed to support the idea that Adam was adulterous and sexually made the shedim himself for over 100 years? And you think it's OK to add this to Scripture? Scriptures warns us about adding stuff to Scripture.
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Post by Dave on Apr 17, 2022 15:09:26 GMT -5
D"So why do you deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate? R Brevity Dave, adds no discussion and unpacking of his words? What on earth are you talking about Dave? Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. So why do you deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate? Jesus did not need incarnating Himself with Divinity, He is already divine.Jesus is the Son of Man – Jesus did not exist until Mary conceived and bitrthed a human baby boyNobody can incarnate immortality.Why do you deny scriptureJoh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, A creature cannot be given immortal sparks of divinity as you claim.So jesus was not the Christ – is this your teaching?Jesus was the pre-existing YHWH from eternity.Christ was the pre-existing YHWY from eternity Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,As is written in Kohelet (Ecclesiastes), "The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7) The New Testament Book of Hebrews describes the great men and women of faith. Some women received their dead back to life again, while "others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection" (Hebrews 11:35) They add this without discussion, and one reads why this is added? Twisting the verses, to add Jewish insight they do not write.... WHAT – the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a Christian promise You no longer support the Messanic Jews because they are Christian?And they write this about the Lord Jesus, which I write clearly is YHWH-Jesus.YOU DENY THAT CHRIST = GOD – YOU PREACH MULTIPLE godsYou deny that the word became fleshAgain I write clearly YHWH-Jesus who is a member of elohiym, incarnate Himself with humanity.Correct – Christ = God and God incarnated as the Son of Man JesusD" What are they like – after watching it– or reading that thread You tell me what are they like? R" SO you are going to present stuff King SOlomon wrote, apparently He used shedim to help build the Holy Temple of God? Either you want to learn what real Judaism says – watch it or read it Or you just want to keep on talking about things you know nothing about so you sound well educated and informed Show me your studies of Solomon than. Already posted and awating your promised responseDoes Solomon explain where shedim come from? Or am I supposed to support the idea that Adam was adulterous and sexually made the shedim himself for over 100 years? And you think it's OK to add this to Scripture? Scriptures warns us about adding stuff to Scripture.Talk about what you do not know – you are very good at thatIf you know all and understand all - You tell me – what did the Jews have as their demonology Who was Jewish satan?
You explain it all to me – then I’ll watch that presentation again to see how close the Jew got themselves correct
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 4:32:27 GMT -5
D"Jesus is the Son of Man – Jesus did not exist until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy
R" I see. And this is just an expression of the Father isn't it?
Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Who's this than?
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
How can Jesus have created all things, when He didn't exist than, according to you?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 18, 2022 6:16:11 GMT -5
D"Jesus is the Son of Man – Jesus did not exist until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boyDa 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. Who's this than?DUH - one like the Son of man - ChristEph 3:9 - How can Jesus have created all things, when He didn't exist than, according to you?DUH – Christ = God Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. CHRISTIAN TRINITY Talk about what you do not know – you are very good at thatIf you know all and understand all - You tell me – what did the Jews have as their demonology Who was Jewish satan?
You explain it all to me – then I’ll watch that presentation again to see how close the Jew got themselves correct
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 16:23:54 GMT -5
You speak double talk? Please explain
If "Jesus did not exist until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy" How can " one like the Son of man - Christ" be the divine Being who comes to the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom (earth). How can Jesus create before He is conceived of Mary, yet "Christ = God" created all things according to you?
please explain....
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 4:58:47 GMT -5
If "Jesus did not exist until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy" Are you confused about the virgin birth of the Son of Man? This is basic Christianity – are you unfamiliar with the basics – You have a different religion based upon Catholic Fallen Angels All you teach is biology and doubt
How can " one like the Son of man - Christ" be the divine Being who comes to the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom (earth).
You ask – how can Christ be divine? – Because He is God! And God came to earth as a man – God incarnate This is basic Christianity – are you unfamiliar with the basics – You have a different religion based upon Catholic Fallen Angels All you teach is biology and doubt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 15:27:11 GMT -5
D"Because He is God! And God came to earth as a man – God incarnate This is basic Christianity – are you unfamiliar with the basics
R" You have trouble writing, so I will help you out? I suggest you proof read your sentences and fix spellings too.
What you mean to say was ""Jesus did not exist as a human, until Mary conceived and birthed a human baby boy""
Now that makes sense?
Question: Why do Messanic Jews term Jesus as "Adon Yashuah"
Why not "YHWH-Yashuah" as I support? There are two YHWH's in Scripture.
Shalom
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