Post by Dave on Oct 5, 2022 13:36:20 GMT -5
Oct 4, 2022 15:15:15 GMT -5 @robertt said:
D"DUH – there are two groups – angels and archonR" The verses read G32 for both
Not G32 for good messengers and G746 for bad messengers.
So your premise is wrong ...
D” G746 - ἀρχή - chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank)
R" Yes you quote many verses that prove G746 means (in various applications of order, time, place or rank)
…D” some people call then demonic, some call them the serpent race, Islam calls them Jinn .."
R" Yes but do you have a video of some person calling them "Archons" ? My answer is no. … Because archons as a creature does not exist …
Hagia Sophia Gnostic Church - Gnostic view
You responded with “B”
Jul 28, 2022 17:02:42 GMT -5 @robertt said:
I will not watch this Dave, because the more I get to read false books the more infuenced one is by them.Again I will take your challenge – I just found these two videos – I have no idea what they will say
I have watched a few min of each and am excited to review them – so hard to decide with one is first
REMEMBER – this IS NOT a Roman Catholic – or any type of religious presentation
One is metaphysical – and one 100% secular
What is the Archon? Was it here before humanity?
What is the Archon? What does it want? How does it behave, and work?
Jan 13, 2018 - 12:58 min
Opening - a better description of these beings, whether I am referring to the same beings that are spoken of in the Nag Hammadi texts, and whether these predatory non organic beings precede humanity; on this earth.
0:50 – he is more focused on overcoming these beings – not in their origin
Lots of information out there!
1:15 – Question - is he talking about the nag Hammadi Archon
1:20 – Question – do these PREDATORY non-organic being pre-exist man on earth
1:30 - Answering is difficult
I LOVE HIS ANSWER – ABSOLUTELY AGREE
I address his statements in my paper on the Psychology of Understanding and cognitive closure
ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=psychology
We close on information within the framework of our common knowledge
IF – you would with the elderly all day – you will immediately see the OLD HAG
IF – you work at the beach all day – you will see the BEAUTIFUL MAIDEN
Robert closes his eyes and all he can see is his simple satan – simple Roman Catholic Fallen Angels doctrine
If you look at it from outside out your Roman Catholic bias – Reality looks very differently
1:40 – he call it the normal 3 dimensional view – religious common knowledge/teaching
2:10 – clinging to traditional religious views is NOT helpful and add confusion
Modern man look at the information through modern eyes and common knowledge
Ancient man looked at this same information with an entirely different perspective
2:57 – Out of Body Experience – this is the beginning of setting up the idea that this world is an ILLUSION
The world outside out physical body – the existence outside our physical body
IS beyond our senses and therefore indescribable / understandable – comprehendible by us
3:50 – our 3D world is an illusion
A mask that hides a deeper truth
Blah blah blah about metaphysics
4:30 – THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE ARCHON ARE NOR REAL
They are as real as the bus that strikes you on the street
The effects of their influence on the earth is plain for anyone to see –
Economic collapse – war – elite – cabal – OR – mountain that may stand in your way
HINDERING THE HUMAN TRAVELER MAKING HIS WAY THROUGH EARTH
4:59 – The Great Archon can be seen as a cloud – or a swarm
5:20 – multi-dimensional beings
5:40 – man is also a multi-dimensional being
Our essence – our spirit – our greater being
Agree – From God we came – souljourn here – at to God we return
6:00 the Great Archon is aware of itself (yester ra)
6:15 – its intellect is of gigantic proportions
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made
3:25 – it is focused upon itself and it’s PREDATORY MACINATIONS
(google) mach·i·na·tion
a plot or scheme.
Similar: schemes, plotting, plots, intrigues, conspiracies, designs, plans, devices, ploys, ruses, tricks, wiles, stratagems, tactics, maneuvers, maneuvering, contrivances
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Rev 12:4 … ready to devour
6:40 – he makes the claim that the Great Archon is 100% non-organic – spiritual only
Blah blah blah – metaphysics – what he says is NOT wrong – just NOT the point
Nag Hammadi says – made with some matter – not 100% matter not 100% spirit - inbetween
7:45 – The archon infest earth – known by many names
8:13 – THE SHADOWS – demons –
A giant swarm of insects around earth? – is a little weird
Fish swimming is every Canaanite –
8:35 – Nag Hammadi – Archon are Robot like beings
Demons of wormwoods that poison the hearts and minds
Robots as in (yester ra) only – like ants, termites, cows, or baboons
8:50 – many names – demons / fairies - / god - + human sacrifices
The Gospel of Philip
These are powers which [...] man, not wishing him to be saved, in order that they may [...]. For if man is saved, there will not be any sacrifices [...] and animals will not be offered to the powers. Indeed, the animals were the ones to whom they sacrificed. They were indeed offering them up alive, but when they offered them up, they died. As for man, they offered him up to God dead, and he lived.
9:00 – Reptilian overloads and aliens
Ancient astronauts – UFOs – extraterrestrials – intra-dimensional visitors
The SERPENT RACE
9:40 – we cannot see the world for what it is because of the many machinations of the archon
The Hypostasis of the Archons
Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.
9:50 – NOW HE SAYS SOMETHING – and I DISSAGREE
He improperly says – the Demiurge = the Great Archon
The demiurge is a craftsman or artisan - yes the Archon did procreate for himself
The demiurge also helped the Holy complete creation
9:58 – quotes Eph 6:12 from the Hypostasis of the Archon (NHL)
10:20 – The Great Archon IS NOT evil – it is ’part of the great balance in the cosmos’
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
10:40 – who was first on earth man or archon
Answer – man is multi-dimensional
Agreed – From God we came – souljourn here – and to God we return
As for – man existing in multiple dimension on many worlds experiencing many realities
Dave – the Nag Hammadi does say – world (pl)
But never speaks to them - only this world
Do they exist? – Something about the INFINITE nature of the One True God – Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent – makes me refuse to deny it possible
For me – not relevant to my world and my reality – land of speculation of the unknowable
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created
11:55 – The Archon came first – Agreed
BUT THEN HE SAYS SOMETHING – and I MUST DISSAGRE
The archon did NOT create man
The term = strong authority
At times the archon = God as the supreme authority
At times archon = the Beast of Revelation
Conclusion – man can overcome the archon by expanding our awareness
RECOGNISING WHAT IS IN YOUR SIGHT
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