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[Dave]

D" Answer this question poses by Jesus Christ
R" Jesus pre-existed as YHWH-Son, whom David called YHWH.
Jesus was just a man – Son of Man – Son of Mary
Christ – pre-existed as God - whom David called YHWH.

When the YHWH-Son added humanity to himself and grew up under the lineage of David, so that David is the LORD of His biological status as King.
So Jesus can be both YHWH (Lord) and David's son, at the same time.
Correct – Gen 2:7 – Jesus was the biological Son of Man + Christ the Son of God – who is God
Jesus Christ = (Jesus) + (Christ)
Jesus Christ – Son of Man / flesh / biology (Jesus) + (God incarnate) = Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God
Jesus Christ = Jesus + Christ
Jesus Christ = God incarnate
Jesus Christ =100% Son of Man + 100% God incarnate
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D" But you deliberately misrepresent what I say – so you can argue against your own version
Here is a bunch of similes about God.
My Lord is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.

But Dave says the lamp is a book. SO I can use the Bible as a light so see in the darkness. Last time I need a light, I used electricity running into a LED. Next time I will use a Bible scroll.

What you do is shut down the poetry similes, so one cannot talk about the metaphor.
I am not arguing against you, only trying to get you to read poetry correctly.

the metaphor does not rewrite scripture

How can the torah be rain, be bread and empower you with God?
It's my favorite Bible simile, "rain bread".
God's torah is like rain. – does this turn God into a creature made of water?
God's torah is like bread. – does this change God into a wheat product
It's a wonderful song. – does this replace God as a Being and change Him into a man-made limerick
Jesus Christ is the branch – why doesn’t this make Jesus Christ a stick made of wood

R" Really Dave. Jews say King Tyre is a metaphor, a fancy word game for simile, so there is poetry pictures in the passage.
Scripture say – the King of Tyre was LIKE a cherub protecting / guarding his people
But you say – the metaphor rewrites the scripture to make the cherub the god of evil

the metaphor does not rewrite scripture

D" Hey – this is your question to answer
R" In our SDA understanding the first heaven refers to the earth's atmosphere.
The second heaven refers to our solar system and maybe the Milky Way.
The third heaven refers to where God sits on His throne. I suspect on the galaxy Andromeda . We have only three levels of the heavens.

Interesting – your answer is NOT mainstream Christianity – it is a Mormon answer
God’s angels live in space – and
Jehovah Witness’s God lives on a planet in the constellation Pleiades
Like you – it is all creation – all physical – all material – all corporeal
So – the SDA, like the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness, don’t believe in heaven – just life on another physical planet
Interesting – SDA, Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witness all come from the 2nd Great Awakening
As did the Bahai faith if Islam that has the same ADVENT math as the SDA

According to you – Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witness claim that God and the angels are space aliens
The SDA, like the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness, don’t believe in heaven – just life on another physical planet

R - the first heaven refers to the earth's atmosphere.
The second heaven refers to our solar system and maybe the Milky Way.
The third heaven refers to where God sits on His throne. I suspect on the galaxy Andromeda

Mainstream Christianity is different because we believe in the ethereal heaven – a spiritual realm
1st heaven = earth (material / physical - corporeal)
2nd heaven = the air (satan is the prince of the air) – (material but unseen – in-between)
3rd heaven = heaven – spiritual realm of God and angels - (unseen – ethereal)

However – the mainstream Christian view is not consistent with the bulk of reality
Judaism has always had 7 heavens – 7 different localities – within the unseen spiritual realm
WHY? – because of Robert’s word game
Judaism has 7 different words for heaven – therefore it must be 7 different places

The most orthodox teaching of Judaism clearly identifies 7 heavens: 1) Vilon - Isa 40:22, 2) Raki'a Gen 1:17, 3) Shehaqim - Ps 78:23, 4) Zebul - Isa 63:15, I Kings 8:13, 5) Ma'on - Deut 26:15, Ps 42:9, 6) Machon -1 Kings 7:30, Deut 28:12, 7) Araboth - The seventh Heaven.

Supplemental Jewish literature such as the Merkavah and Heichalot, found within the Mid Rash; and the Third Book of Enoch dedicate themselves with the details of these heavens. …

Koran 71:15-16 “See you not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another, and made the moon a light in their midst, and made the Sun a Lamp?”
The Sunni teach that Muhammad visited each of the seven heavens on his journey to meet God and The Divine Throne. Shiite writings names the seven heavens as follows: 1) Rafi', 2) Qaydum, 3) Marum, 4) Arfalun, 5) Hay'oun, 6) Arous, 7) Ajma'. …

Hinduism also has the concept of seven heavens called the Vyahritis: 1) Bhoor-Loka, 2) Bhuvar-Loka, 3) Svar-Loka, 4) Mahar-Loka, 5) Jana-Loka, 6) Tapa-Loka, 7) Satya-loka …

Do the math 7 + 3 = 10
Do the math; seven heavens, dimensions, or localities of reality, plus the three dimensions of our coporeal reality equal a 10 dimensional reality. Interesting enough by itself, but extremely fascinating in the light of the most current scientific theories that also mathematically predict 10 dimensions of space and one of time.

String-Theory Physics opens the possibility of ten dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

Both Enoch and Paul saw heaven
Enoch and ancient documentation – saw 10 heavens
Paul spoke of 10 heavens (3rd epistle to Corinth – banned by Rome)

Multi-dimensionality
Exo 33:20 But He also said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live.”
1st dimension – a singularity – a point that cannot be located - omnipotent and omniscient – contains all E and information
The Father – that no man can see

Exo 33:22 While My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and cover you with My hand, until I have passed by.
2nd dimension – Holy Spirit - omnipresent – the matrix / etrher / medium

Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face will not be seen.”
The 3D image of God = Christ

We live in a 3D reality and God is the God of each of the 3D – 1 God in 3 dimensions
+ 7 heavens above

Physical reality  = our 3D – the realm of man
The archon exist in the lowest heaven (4th D) next to man – yet unseen
YES – this includes space and the 4th dimension – near us – in physical creation – far from God
Man and archon occupy the lowest heaven – the lower places
God’s throne is in the highest heaven = 7th heaven

The Jewish metaphor – to reach UP to God we must get through the layer of shedim / archon around us

Judaism and muti-dimensionality
10 heavens = 9 or 10 types of angels – each type is the master of their dimension – each type different
Cherub and seraphim at the top near God
Ihrmin (man like creatures) archon – at the bottom – near man

Jewish Book of Creation says – 10 is the number – not 9 – not 11

Ancient Judaism = 21 Century Physics – TOO AMAZING TO BE AN ACCIDENT
21 Century science = ancient scripture – talk about validation!
Validating truth within Enoch, Paul, and Judeo-Christian theology

Different than Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witness, Islam’s Bahai Faith, and the SDA who were all part of the 2nd Great Awakening 1830-1860

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D" Jesus was just a man – Son of Man – Son of Mary
Christ – pre-existed as God - whom David called YHWH.
R" Why do you divide YHWH-Son into two names, Jesus is biological and Christ is YHWH?

I do not do this.

You agree with what I wrote.

YHWH-Son, whom we know as Jesus Christ today pre-existed without a human body, but today is encapsulated with a human body as our High Priest in heaven. Such a human body is necessary, for the penalty for mischief is life for life, so an infinite sacrifice is required, the cost of love rescuing humans is infinite. Something a sinless angel could not achieve, only divinity could achieve this.

Just because YHWH-Son added a human body to His nature, does not require a new name change.

He is still called Jesus Christ, meaning Anointed as Salvation.


D" Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God
R" You confuse readers with this post
Your post should be


Jesus Christ = Son of Man + expression of the Father.

You do not support the idea that Jesus is a Son of the Father, only a copy of the Father in masculine form. This does not make the expression into a Son. You cannot mix your terms to be different and use our terms to trick yourself into thinking you are the same as my view.

The Jewish professor speaks of a "dual Godhead", this is NOT your view of God at all.

There are some SDA who see Jesus called forth as a real Son by the Father, but I do not agree with this. Ellen White says the Father and the Son came together in this functional role all at once long ago as a great uncaused cause. It's meaning is a mystery.


RP (Dave quotes) "R" Really Dave. Jews say King Tyre is a metaphor, a fancy word game for simile, so there is poetry pictures in the passage.
Scripture say – the King of Tyre was LIKE a cherub protecting / guarding his people
D" But you say – the metaphor rewrites the scripture to make the cherub the god of evil
R" I do not say the similes rewrite Scripture, the similes tell us details of the cherubs and where the SHEDIM come from, a term to mean "sinning cherubims".

Without this simile, we would not understand the origin of the Shedim.

You on the other hand seek Gnostic writings for the origin on the Shedim, hence you are deceived, by a Greek Edit, imposed on the Hebrew torah.

Just because most Jews do not understand Ezekiel 28 does not make Scripture wrong, it shows me the Opposer does a great job of deceiving Jews from their own writings.

Another example us "amanuah" also not known well by Jews. Not known well by the entire world who do not understand faith or how you get faith.

D" the metaphor does not rewrite scripture
R yes correct, a simile never rewrites the story but add another story under it, deepens it.



D" So – the SDA, like the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness, don’t believe in heaven – just life on another physical planet
Interesting – SDA, Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witness all come from the 2nd Great Awakening
R" We do have a place called heaven, have you not heard of black holes? These are doors into another universe. On the galaxy Andromeda might be such an entry.

The reason I say this is the King of the North might be a simile also of God, north of our Milky Way. Other than that we have little evidence. Daniel prayer lasts 15 minutes, so Gabriel came from heaven to earth in that time. Makes travelling distances close. The galaxy Andromeda might be that far away from our Milky Way. Just two pennies.


D" 1st heaven = earth (material / physical - corporeal)
2nd heaven = the air (satan is the prince of the air) – (material but unseen – in-between)
3rd heaven = heaven – spiritual realm of God and angels - (unseen – ethereal)
R" What you present makes no sense. It places the archons living above earth in some 2nd heaven, and descending to earth to tempt humans to sin.



De 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell,

Shaowl is desribed as a place under the earth, lower down. So shaowl is the lowest level of living, earth is next, etc. The Shedim live in the "lowest hell".

Job 11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Again shaowl is compared to heaven, heaven is high, hell is low, earth in between.

Ps 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell:
We do down to shaowl.

Ps 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Heaven above earth,
Hell below earth

Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee,

Hell beneath earth...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
The Shedim fell down from heaven....

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Pit, made of matter, below the earth, is where the Shedim are.

Isa 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

Out of this place came the saraph, the burning one. (where Shedim are from)

Here is another poetry full of similes

Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

The trees (simile of humans) are jealous of some trees growing better

Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit:

Any creatures that sin and do wicknedness, go down into the pit, called hell, below the earth.

Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Another poetry with figures this time. Jonah went to Shaowl, in a fish, downwards, under the sea. Below the heavens.

Mt 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell:

Again earth is a reference, heaven is above and hell is below, where sinnings go.

Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

THis is a common Jewish belief in their time used by Jesus. Hell is below the earth.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell,

Same Hebrew word , shaowl, where ? downwards relative to earth, not upwards relative to earth.

Re 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,

THis proves the SHEDIM are not all locked up in chains lamenting for previous sins, as your GNostic Enoch says, but deceiving humans, until the angel goes down to seal the pit.

So you not only require a chain, but also a seal to prevent movements.


D" Judaism has always had 7 heavens
R" You think? Moses does not say this. So your answer is not true.
You desire to read outside the torah.... Torah says not to....Moses torah must come first.

Shalom

[Dave]

D" Jesus was just a man – Son of Man – Son of Mary
Christ – pre-existed as God - whom David called YHWH.
R" Why do you divide YHWH-Son into two names, Jesus is biological and Christ is YHWH?
DUH – Jesus Christ = 100% human + 100% Divine

You agree with what I wrote.
YHWH-Son, whom we know as Jesus Christ today pre-existed without a human body,
YEP – Christ – and we know Him today as Jesus Christ

but today is encapsulated with a human body
YEP - (Christ – yester tov – spirit) is trapped within the body = God incarnate

D" Jesus Christ = Son of Man + Son of God
R" You confuse readers with this post
Your post should be
Jesus Christ = Son of Man + expression of the Father.
OK – Son of Man + God incarnate – all the same

You do not support the idea that Jesus is a Son of the Father,
The ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the God the Father and Mary

only a copy of the Father in masculine form.
NOT a copy – God incarnate

This does not make the expression into a Son.
The ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the God the Father and Mary

The Jewish professor speaks of a "dual Godhead", this is NOT your view of God at all.
The Jewish professor is anlo speaking of the masculine – don’t forget Jewish Shekinah – the feminine aspect of God that comes among the people
a "dual male Godhead", + the feminine Holy Spirit

There are some SDA who see Jesus called forth as a real Son by the Father, but I do not agree with this. Ellen White says the Father and the Son came together in this functional role all at once long ago as a great uncaused cause. It's meaning is a mystery. - Only to her followers

RP (Dave quotes) "R" Really Dave. Jews say King Tyre is a metaphor, a fancy word game for simile, so there is poetry pictures in the passage.
Scripture say – the King of Tyre was LIKE a cherub protecting / guarding his people
D" But you say – the metaphor rewrites the scripture to make the cherub the god of evil
R" I do not say the similes rewrite Scripture, the similes tell us details of the cherubs and where the SHEDIM come from, a term to mean "sinning cherubims".

Precept upon precept, line upon line you have failed to support your view with scripture

Dec 27, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5 @robertt said:

All your "hoo har" over 49 verses verses 23, doesn't matter, I need only one verse, apart from Ezek, I have Rev 12. There was war in heaven?

At least we have discovered the value of line by line – it doesn’t matter if it goes against Catholic doctrine

Just because most Jews do not understand Ezekiel 28 does not make Scripture wrong, it shows me the Opposer does a great job of deceiving Jews from their own writings.
There you are – anti-Semite – Judaism is wrong – yet it is the foundation of Judeo-Christianity

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Beelzebub and the shedim were 100% common knowledge at the time of Jesus Christ
Validated by Jesus Christ
This is the only Context that matters – the Context of the Gospel

Another example us "amanuah" also not known well by Jews. Not known well by the entire world who do not understand faith or how you get faith.
Tell that to Moses, Joshua, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Jerimiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah – etc etc etc
You can MOCK Judaism all you want – it is still the foundation of Judeo-Christianity

D" So – the SDA, like the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness, don’t believe in heaven – just life on another physical planet
Interesting – SDA, Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witness all come from the 2nd Great Awakening
R" We do have a place called heaven, have you not heard of black holes? These are doors into another universe. On the galaxy Andromeda might be such an entry.
The galaxy Andromeda is not heaven – it is just another material galaxy within this material universe

D" 1st heaven = earth (material / physical - corporeal)
2nd heaven = the air (satan is the prince of the air) – (material but unseen – in-between)
3rd heaven = heaven – spiritual realm of God and angels - (unseen – ethereal)
R" What you present makes no sense. It places the archons living above earth in some 2nd heaven, and descending to earth to tempt humans to sin.
YEP – there is a spirit realm all around us 24/7 – everything we do is in full view of the heavens
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D" Judaism has always had 7 heavens
R" You think? Moses does not say this. So your answer is not true.
You desire to read outside the torah.... Torah says not to....Moses torah must

Judaism has always had 7 heavens – 7 different localities – within the unseen spiritual realm
WHY? – because of Robert’s word game
Judaism has 7 different words for heaven – therefore it must be 7 different places

NOW you are going to argue against you own method - so consistant

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D" The ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the God the Father and Mary
R " What does this mean?

Jesus mother is the HS, not Mary.

Have a look at Luke 1:35 heavenly Father and heavenly Mother come over Mary, taking her eggs, the born process is done by two members of the Godhead. Mary only supplied the egg and incubated the child to develop ( a surrogate) .

Ps 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

The mother here must be the HS, not Mary, otherwise Mary is declared a "el" (god) here?

SHalom

[Dave]

Jesus mother is the HS, not Mary.
Mary only supplied the egg and incubated the child

The definition of mother – your attempt to misrepresent scripture is satanic
You teaching is error – which has always been you goal here – to replace the Grace of Christianity with your evil God called satan

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Why the harsh tone? We humans are living because of two mother functions during our birth, the HS allows the living to continue from God, and the human mother develops her child until it's borning day.

Enjoy your day Dave

[Dave]

Why the harsh tone?

When we first met – you introduced yourself as a Christian

You teach against the concept of One True God
You are so small to question how God can be in two places at the same time –as Father and as Son
I couldn’t understand for a long times why you made it so complex and confusing – I understand now

You teach against the spirit
You deny Jewish Theology – even tho Jesus Christ said He did not come to change a thing
The Holy Spirit is NOT God’s Spirit – it is a medium you can dismiss
Man has NO SPIRIT – man is just biology (world)
There is no spiritual life – you only teach the grave
You deny the promise of the Comforter and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
You bend scripture – corrupting it by playing word games – you use to JUSTIFY you SDA doctrine

You deny the SOVERGNITY of GOD – He is not in control - and he cannot know what will happen next
BECAUSE – your satan god surprised God – changed his own form and function against God’s Will – then changed all of God’s Plan also against God’s Will

It is satanic – teaches a weak Creator and elevates your satan to godhood
You teach a legalist law to follow – thing to do to KEEP your salvation

All of it is anti-Judeo-Christian! – and insulting and you must lie and misrepresent to support it.
Ellen White is ERROR and contradicts scripture

Gnostic Literature - the only thing I have ever quoted to you is James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas and the 3 or 4 companion text that are in agreement with them - THIS IS THE CONTEXT OF JESUS CHRIST - and this is the only Context that matters - what did they know and what did they believe

Nonthing they say contridicts Judaism - or Jewish angelology / demonology
Nothing they say contridicts the agl/ New Testament
All it does is add the Reality of the Archon
Made by God for God - Col 1:16
Our real struggle - Eph 6:12

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D" the Reality of the Archon
R" The reality is following Bible verses...

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning

Verse is saying what sins a humans does, is the same sin a shedim does, hence both have free will, this is not word game, its comparing how John writes a parallel, a simile.

A creature that sins chooses to sin, has free will to sin, thus we already differ on this verse.

Your archons have no free will, cannot moral sin, yet this verse says otherwise.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus is also comparing the sins of the Jews to the sins of the chief shedim, so again both creatures have free will to sin. 

Jesus says the devil also sins, has therefore free will to sin, and yet you also deny this verse.

These NT verses agree with Ezekiel 28 that cherubims can sin, because they choose to sin.

So in just three verses, you deny the whole tenant of this theme of the rulers of darkness.

SHalom

[Dave]

D" the Reality of the Archon
R" The reality is following Bible verses...

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning
You also post over and over
Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you.

Which is it Robert - which verse is correct because they contradict each other

Jesus says the devil also sins, has therefore free will to sin, and yet you also deny this verse.
YES – the bane elohiym of Gen 6 sinned – Jude, 2 Peter, and Enoch all tell us that this group of sinning angels are lock away in a prision

Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. 12:5 … ready to devour
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep,

IF you say – what happened in Gen 1:2 / Rev 12:3 is a sin
Then there is no opposing force against man – they are all locked away

If you say – the sin = Gen 6 – then only 200 of them are locked away and the rest of the archon are still here opposing man

If you do NOT understand what happened in Gen 6 – you will not understand the rest of the ahl/Old Testament

Robert is forced to deny so much scripture it is crazy
Robert absolutely denies that God ever hurt anyone – never ordered genocide – never told Israel to kill other men – he must overlook and twist so much scripture to be right

Jude, 2 Peter, and Enoch tell is that the sinning angels are lock away in a prision
Robert must deny scripture to protect his satan god

If you do NOT understand what happened in Gen 6 – you will not understand the rest of the ahl/Old Testament
You will not understand the ‘other gods’ of the ahl/NOT
You will not understand the relationship between Jews and Islam
And you will not understand the current events of the Middle East.

If you do NOT understand what happened in Gen 6 – you will not understand the rest of the ahl/Old Testament
You will not understand all the talk of ancient astronauts and modern UFOs
You will not understand the link between the archon and government

For Robert – Genocide – The Son’s of Anak – the 7 tribes of Amorite – their other gods – aliens and UFOs – and shadow governments are all imaginary – DO NOT EXIST – ALL FAKE

“The Greatest Trick the Devil Ever Pulled Was Convincing the World He Didn’t Exist” - Charles Baudelaire

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D"Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you.

Which is it Robert - which verse is correct because they contradict each other

R" Why is this contradictory ?

A sinless creature can choose to sin. DUH


D" Jude, 2 Peter, and Enoch tell is that the sinning angels are lock away in a prision

R" You don't have sinning angels in your view Dave.

Did you goof, or flip flop?

Angels cannot sin, according to you.
Archons cannot sin, according to you.

Some creature sinned according to scripture. Dave is contradictory.

SHalom

[Dave]

D" Jude, 2 Peter, and Enoch tell is that the sinning angels are lock away in a prison
R" You don't have sinning angels in your view Dave.
Did you goof, or flip flop?

D" Angels were created to serve and praise – that is what they do
R" In your other post you said the sinning angels are locked away in prison.
SO you just goofed, do you do understand what you believe?

Robert's Word Game
Angels (messengers of the Lord) are created to serve and praise
Archon (messengers of the Beast) are entropy – and they do what they do – spoil / devour

Some creature called shedim sinned. Who sinned first in the beginning?
Correct – shedim / archon / Jinn / Shades = archon seed / satan’s seed / offspring of the Beast

Really Dave you do not follow Scripture at all. - Try reading Scripture correctly.

IF what happened in Gen 1:2 / Rev 12:3-5 = sin
Then there is no opposing force arrayed against man – they are all locked away – Jude, 2 Peter, Enoch

IF what happened in Gen 6 = sin
Then only 200 of the archon are locked away and the rest are still here to oppose man

Really Dave you do not follow Scripture at all. - Try reading Scripture correctly.

IF you do not understand what happened in Gen 6
Then you will not understand much of the ahl/OT

You will not understand the iniquity of the Amorite – Son’s of Anak
You will not understand why your Feel Good God ordered genocide
You will not understand the ‘other gods’ of the Levant
You will not understand the ancient astronauts and modern UFO phenomena
You will not understand ancient demi-gods or modern alien babies
You will not understand the ‘other gods’ of the 99% as a whole

If you do not have an understanding of the archon in these things
Then you totally deny reality – and are unable to recognize what is in your sight

Oct 11, 2022 6:14:38 GMT -5 Dave said:

You claim to have the absolute correct theology – why can’t you answer basic Christian foundational questions?

YES – if you have a complete theology - why do you say re my question to you too hard – you cannot answer – or do not answer?

Oct 11, 2022 6:14:38 GMT -5 @admin said:

If your satan opposes God - where is your supporting scripture - still waiting
Two words from a metaphor + your Roman Catholic assumptions do NOT present a complete theology

Dec 27, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5 @robertt said:

So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough

This thread was started to explore who does satan oppose / accuse
I have dealt with my 49 verses
I have answered your 23 verses
Why do you refuse to go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God

You don’t because you Can’t – because satan is not God’s opponent in a war
Satan is God’s obedient servant helping God facilitate God’s plan

Please prove to me that satan is God’s opponet – here are the verses

And your answer is

All your "hoo har" over 49 verses verses 23, doesn't matter, I need only one verse, apart from Ezek, I have Rev 12. There was war in heaven?

At least we have discovered the value of line by line – it doesn’t matter if it goes against Catholic doctrine/tradition

Christ is our High Priest in heaven – making intersection – our mediator
All Christians believe this – teach this
BUT Robert and the SDA say it never began until 1844 = FALSE DOCTRINE

Oct 13, 2022 13:21:27 GMT -5 Dave said:

adventist.news/news/understanding-the-heavenly-sanctuary-and-investigative-judgement
This important ceremony represents what began on October 22, 1844, when Christ entered the Most Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary.

Oct 11, 2022 20:26:35 GMT -5 Dave said:

1:15 The pillar of the Adventist Church = Dan 8:14 – IVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT
Even the insiders and scholars of the SDA church itself = know that their Adventist teaching is NOT supported by scripture

Secrete scholar meeting to resolve the issue – disbanded and left no minutes
They knew it was wrong – and tried to cover it up

2:55 - The White Lie, by Walter T. Rea summarizing the quotes of Ellen White – Deceptive Plagiarism
Deceptive Plagiarized – large section, her own testimony, her dreams, and visions – even the words angels spoke to her
2000 visions - more than any prophet that ever lived – and the leader of a failed church

'There are many, perhaps the majority, of Adventist pastors and Bible teachers who want to run as far away from Daniel 8:14, 1844 and the investigative judgment, and the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary as possible. Yet the church cannot dismiss this doctrine. This doctrine is not only the central pillar in name, it is the central pillar holding up the whole Adventist identity."

I have said this - Robert cannot admit his error because it would mean Ellen White is a Fraud
BUT - just like the SDA organization - Robert would rather keep preaching error than to admit error

5:35 – truth is NOT consistent with SDA doctrine

7:00 – they all know the doctrine is wrong – but the SDA have a good pension plan so keep preaching tradition over scripture

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1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

This verse is saying Humans that sin belong to the shedim, for the shedim also have sinned from the beginning.

The Bible clearly teaches both humans and shedim can sin.

Jew literature, do not support this idea.
Dave does not support this idea.

In fact in Dave's view, you have no creatures that sin.

Shedim cannot sin in Dave's view
Archons cannot sin in Dave's view.

So who sinned than Dave?

Dave cannot answer the question, and avoids answering, so attacks me instead.
Makes excuses not to answer.

I think you have finally come to a stop Dave. You cannot answer the question I give to you. Basic question. Who is the creature known as shedim who sins.
Dave has not a clue, because your archons and your shedim cannot sin, they only do what they do, devour and harm humans, but this is not moral sin, like humans do, because your creatures have no free will.

The Bible opposes all this Dave, and thus also opposes Jewish traditions and precepts of Jews. I cannot find a single Jew who writes that shedim can sin.

You are supporting a myth, so stop pretending you follow Scripture.

Answer my question

Who sinned than, that John is talking about? Dave has no clue.

Shalom

[Dave]

So who sinned than Dave?
Dave cannot answer the question, and avoids answering, so attacks me instead.
Makes excuses not to answer
I am not exactly sure how to respond to you
You know what you say is NOT TRUE – therefore it is a deliberate LIE
It is a misrepresentation of me. Jewish theology, and Gnostic Christian theology

Evidently this is a learned SDA method to attack and tear down Mainstream Judeo-Christianity
It is Robert’s modus operandi – as was as Don Patton, Walter Veith, or Doug Batchelor

It is a FASLE WITNESS – and you choose it – deliberately – Christian
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In fact in Dave's view, you have no creatures that sin.
Sin was brought into the WORLD through Eve – Rom 5:12
Why do you deny the agl/New Testament
Answer – you have a replacement scripture written by Ellen White
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Shedim cannot sin in Dave's view
Archons cannot sin in Dave's view.
Shedim/Archon – do not have the FREE WILL to choose God
Shedim/Archon are Beast – with beastly (yester ra)
(yester ra) = go forth be fruitful and multiply – the commandment to all the Beast
The shedim/Archon had offspring in the spirit realm
The shedim had offspring in the mortal real – with women – Gen 6
(yester ra) in the spirit realm + (yester ra) in the mortal realm – it is what they do

However – Gen 6 = the sin of ‘Reproduce within your own kind’
Those 200 sinning (messengers of the Beast) are locked away held in chains

Jew literature, do not support this idea.
Gen 6 - bane elohiym + women – hybrids - demi-gods
Book of Enoch – Watchers

The Nephilim of Gen 6 is a full part of Jewish theology → Rephiem → Sons of Anak → 7 tribes of Amorite → Jud 2:1-4 → Book of Enoch + Book of Jubilees + War Scroll
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1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
This verse is saying Humans that sin belong to the shedim, for the shedim also have sinned from the beginning.
Robert – why must you desperately need another to blame sin upon?
Not Eve’s fault – it was the serpent’s fault
It not your fault – the devil made you do it

IT IS AN EXCUSE
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I think you have finally come to a stop Dave. You cannot answer the question I give to you. Basic question. Who is the creature known as shedim who sins.
Dave has not a clue
Answer – The Beast of Revelation and his offspring – known as the serpent race, devils, satanas, shedim, archon, shades, spooks, demons - whatever

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Greetings Dave

The Bible (NT) says the devil sinned like humans sin. So they both have free will to choose to sin.

The Bible (OT) identifies who this sinning shedim is, cherubims who sinned in Ezekiel 28.

Your view has no archons that can sin, because they have no free will to sin.
Your view has no angels that can sin, because they have no free will to sin.

Your post here is a sideline issue to avoid answering a basic question,
so, WHO SINNED then in the beginning? Dave cannot answer this question.

My question is not an excuse Dave. It's very clear to readers that you do not support the Scriptures at all.

Again, all you do is attack me or avoid answering the question.

I am not a false witness; I am reading the Scriptures as they read.

Are you saying what John wrote is false?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Shalom

[Dave]

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
The Bible (OT) identifies who this sinning shedim is, cherubims who sinned in Ezekiel 28.

Eze 28:15 You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you.
Ezk denies your post – the sinner of Ezk 28 was perfect from the beginning

Your post here is a sideline issue to avoid answering a basic question,
so, WHO SINNED then in the beginning? Dave cannot answer this question.
Jude + 2 Peter tells us that those ‘messengers’ that sinned are the bane elohiym of Gen 6:1-4

Oct 15, 2022 9:59:15 GMT -5 Dave said:

IF what happened in Gen 1:2 / Rev 12:3-5 = sin
Then there is no opposing force arrayed against man – they are all locked away – Jude, 2 Peter, Enoch

IF what happened in Gen 6 = sin
Then only 200 of the archon are locked away and the rest are still here to oppose man

Really Dave you do not follow Scripture at all. - Try reading Scripture correctly.

IF you do not understand what happened in Gen 6
Then you will not understand much of the ahl/OT

You will not understand the iniquity of the Amorite – Son’s of Anak
You will not understand why your Feel Good God ordered genocide
You will not understand the ‘other gods’ of the Levant
You will not understand the ancient astronauts and modern UFO phenomena
You will not understand ancient demi-gods or modern alien babies
You will not understand the ‘other gods’ of the 99% as a whole

If you do not have an understanding of the archon in these things
Then you totally deny reality – and are unable to recognize what is in your sight

Are you saying what John wrote is false?
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

You are the one that brought the idea to this discussion that Azazal is the devil – the leader of the bane elohiym of Gen 6

YES – Judaism teach that Gen 6:1-4 = the Watchers of Enoch – angelic beings + mortal women = demi-gods called Nephilim