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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2022 23:10:37 GMT -5
Question: "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" is a simile of the opposing elohiym power. DO you agree? You will not trick me into validating your satan as a god Eve’s choice was between the intangible word of God – or the tangible WORLD
Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, - lust/desire for WORLD and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, - lust/desire for the WORLD and that the tree was desirable for imparting wisdom. – lust/desire for WORLD
The Contest is between man and WORLD + man and archon Speaking to the serpent God said - Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed (archon) and her seed.(man) …
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other "oppposing elohiym powers" before me. DO you agree with Jeff Benner and me, that this verse is written correctly here in English? OK – and those opposing elohiym powers are anything thing – any god – that sidetrack man from devoting himself to the Holy Spirit It can be work / hobbies / life / - it does not require a god of evil --------------------------------
D" Unlike you – I accept scripture – I do not have to rewrite it to fit my doctrine R" Just as I thought, God does not change, means what according to you, that God does not react to sinning? The LAW = God’s Plan – laid down from the beginning No power in heaven or earth could ever possibly change or alter God’s Plan
If you have trouble reading a verse, look at its context DUH Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. YEP - The LAW = God’s Plan – laid down from the beginning No power in heaven or earth could ever possibly change or alter God’s Plan AND no one in heaven or earth can stop God from enforcing the LAW
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. God does not change in the way God acts, it is always like this. YET – you try to preach here that your satan change his own form and function against God’s Will – then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will -------------------------
D" YES – I am sure when we sin the Father is disappointed with us / in us This does not cause God to alter His Plan in any shape form or fashion R" You owe me an apology , you now agree with me, This does not cause God to alter His Plan in any shape form or fashion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 16:51:51 GMT -5
D" OK – and those opposing elohiym powers are anything thing – any god – that sidetrack man from devoting himself to the Holy Spirit It can be work / hobbies / life / - it does not require a god of evil R" OK what was the opposing elohiym power presented to Adam and Eve in the Garden than?
It was obviously a speaking creature, that was the opposing elohiym power? DO you agree with this?
Not the world. Not what the trees have on their branches, but the power of sinning which this opposing speaking power had?
DO you agree with this?
D" The LAW = God’s Plan – laid down from the beginning No power in heaven or earth could ever possibly change or alter God’s Plan R" No even God Himself? God cannot change His own universal laws of love.
Do you agree with this?
D" YEP - The LAW = God’s Plan – laid down from the beginning No power in heaven or earth could ever possibly change or alter God’s Plan AND no one in heaven or earth can stop God from enforcing the LAW R" Wow, so GOD has a universal law of love, that GOD Himself has to obey? you seem to agree with me on this?
Do you agree with this, God has a universal law about love?
D" YET – you try to preach here that your satan change his own form and function against God’s Will – then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will R" you are so hard to talk to.
God did not change his design. God does not change His ways, He deals with sinners as He deals with sinners.
COnsider the Bible
One day a cherub decided to sin.
This is a verse you ignore but does exist in Scripture.
DO you agree the verse does exist in Scripture?
This implies cherubs have free will, and chose to sin.
But you do not acknowledge angels have free will.
So you deny reading this verse.
So all I can do is speaking of a human who sinned.
At least you agree humans can sin Duh?
When Adam sinned, did Adam and Eve change their form? Yes they became naked.
WHen Adam sinned did GOD react to the sinning? Yes, God clothed them in animal skins.
When Adam sinned did the entire Creation also under go a complete change? Yes, it was cursed by GOD, and began a missing of God's sustaining powers, ran downhill a process we term entropy.
Now these things are facts because I have Bible verses for every sentence I write here.
D" This does not cause God to alter His Plan in any shape form or fashion R" I didn't say that either, stop pulling words into my mouth I do not support. Have a look at what changes took place when Adam sinned.
1) They changed form (lost the HS covering of solid light) 2) They became fearful (biological changes inside) 3) They hide from God 4) God clothed them with animals skins (God reacted) 5) God cursed the snake (reacted to the opposer) 6) God curses creation ( God allowed entropy to flow over the entire Creation, even the stars of the universe) 7) The sinning was planned for, so nothing happened that God did not know about before hand, or planned for.
Now a similar thing would have occurred when a cherub sinned, but you ignore this verse, so you miss out on explaining where the SHAD comes from, and why the chief SHAD is termed the devil and father of lies.
In fact you offer not a single verse explaining where the SHAD come from.
But I can, only you ignore reading the verse.
Not much different to where our evil inclinations come from?
You offer not a single verse where our evil inclinations come from, only a Jewish made up concept "yester ra" which does not exist in the torah.
But I can, only you ignore reading the the verses on Hebrew word "aven".
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 16, 2022 4:06:43 GMT -5
D" OK – and those opposing elohiym powers are anything thing – any god – that sidetrack man from devoting himself to the Holy Spirit It can be work / hobbies / life / - it does not require a god of evil R" OK what was the opposing elohiym power presented to Adam and Eve in the Garden than? It was obviously a speaking creature, that was the opposing elohiym power? Correct – a biological creature – called the serpent – that Rev 12 tells us was the BEAST of Revelation Correct – a thing of biology – a thing of this WORLD
D" The LAW = God’s Plan – laid down from the beginning No power in heaven or earth could ever possibly change or alter God’s Plan R" No even God Himself? God cannot change His own universal laws of love. YET you teach that NONE of God’s tov creation still exist – your satan changed it all You teach - Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 does not indicate God’s handiwork – it witnesses to how your satan change it
D" YET – you try to preach here that your satan change his own form and function against God’s Will – then changed God’s Plan against God’s Will R" you are so hard to talk to. God did not change his design. God does not change His ways, He deals with sinners as He deals with sinners. Yet - you teach that your satan has the power to change himself and then all of God’s creation
D" This does not cause God to alter His Plan in any shape form or fashion R" I didn't say that either, stop pulling words into my mouth I do not support. Have a look at what changes took place when Adam sinned. So out of one side of your mouth you claim nothing can change God or God’s Plan Then you list the changes
In fact you offer not a single verse explaining where the SHAD come from. Why do you deny the agl/NT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 16:32:54 GMT -5
D" Correct – a biological creature – called the serpent – that Rev 12 tells us was the BEAST of Revelation Correct – a thing of biology – a thing of this WORLD R" It was not a thing of this world....
war in heaven ejected from heaven to earth, remember Dave,?
The opposer originally came from heaven, not earth.
The only creatures in heaven near God to make war, is the cherub. Duh, but you ignore this ....
DO you agree with this idea? where the opposer originally came from?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 16, 2022 19:54:12 GMT -5
D" Correct – a biological creature – called the serpent – that Rev 12 tells us was the BEAST of Revelation Correct – a thing of biology – a thing of this WORLD R" It was not a thing of this world.... war in heaven ejected from heaven to earth, remember Dave,? DO you agree with where the opposer originally came from?
ABSOLUTELY - Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads. Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child. Rev 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to His throne. Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God so they might take care of her for 1,260 days. Rev 12:7 And war broke out in heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought, Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The Hypostasis of the Archons "Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.
And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.
This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."
The Apocryphon of John "And the Sophia of the Epinoia, being an aeon, conceived a thought from herself and the conception of the invisible Spirit and foreknowledge. She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. And though the person of her maleness had not approved, and she had not found her agreement, and she had thought without the consent of the Spirit and the knowledge of her agreement, (yet) she brought forth. And because of the invincible power which is in her, her thought did not remain idle, and something came out of her which was imperfect and different from her appearance, because she had created it without her consort. And it was dissimilar to the likeness of its mother, for it has another form.
"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth.
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. And he joined with his arrogance which is in him and begot authorities for himself.
DO you agree with where the opposer originally came from? ABSOLUTELY – Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water. Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light!” and there was light. Gen 1:4 God saw that the light was good. So God distinguished the light from the darkness. Gen 1:5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” So there was evening and there was morning—one day.
The only creatures in heaven near God to make war, is the cherub. Duh, but you ignore this .... The only creature in heaven near God to make war was the angel Michael as the archon were ejected into physical creation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 3:56:26 GMT -5
RP" DO you agree with where the opposer originally came from? D" ABSOLUTELY –
The Hypostasis of the Archons "Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing.
Rob" So the archon, Dave's Gnostic creature is created by the Holy Spirit, who is the left hand of the Father, who does not know what He is doing?
And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion.
Rob" How could a Father via a feminine expression create something arrogant?
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety.
Rob" And yet this creature who sins, is not sinning according to Dave, it is only being arrogant, not sinning as the creature has no free will.
She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration.
Rob" Is it possible for the HS to do something with considering the Father? And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance.
Rob" So this thing was created so of like a mistake? Is that even possible for the HS?
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now.
Rob" How does a creature create? Is this another mistake in the Gnostic writings Dave? A creature can create, and thus change the Father's design, after all the Father did not know this creature was created by the feminine expression of Himself?
D"The only creature in heaven near God to make war was the angel Michael as the archon were ejected into physical creation
Rob" so according to Dave, the archon creature was one creature at war with Michael, and nothing like a war in heaven, as the Bible suggests.
I notice Dave, you do not support Scripture , you deny the Scripture account, both Ezekiel 28 and Rev 12, you claim to support the scriptures, but you deny them totally with this additional story of archons from Gnostic writings, which is NOT the Bible at all. But you claim the Roman edit destroyed the Gnostic Bible version, and what we have is the false version? Are you saying the Father allowed a false version of Scripture to circulate the pioneer reformation, and now only recently has the true scriptures come to light? The Father cannot protect His word from false editing and attacking by spoilers? You are a mystic Gnostic supporter, your origin of the fallen creatures, is not coming from the torah, but totally invented by Gnostic writings, which are foreign to the true scriptures. SHalom
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Post by Dave on Jul 17, 2022 5:32:36 GMT -5
Rob" How could a Father via a feminine expression create something arrogant? You ask – how could God (who is the Word + Word + Word) create man?
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. Rob" And yet this creature who sins, is not sinning according to Dave, it is only being arrogant, not sinning as the creature has no free will. No free will – no choice – only arrogant by nature – created as is for a purpose
She wanted to bring forth a likeness out of herself without the consent of the Spirit, - he had not approved - and without her consort, and without his consideration. Rob" Is it possible for the HS to do something with considering the Father? This is a common Hebrew idiom – used by jesus Christ Himself Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: Choose to be confused – and doubt Jesus as a teacher – your choice
And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. Rob" So this thing was created so of like a mistake? Is that even possible for the HS? Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep … You can call God’s creation a mistake if you choose – your choice
"This is the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. Rob" How does a creature create? Is this another mistake in the Gnostic writings Dave? A creature can create, and thus change the Father's design Offspring = procreate – you just want to argue words
D"The only creature in heaven near God to make war was the angel Michael as the archon were ejected into physical creation Rob" so according to Dave, the archon creature was one creature at war with Michael, and nothing like a war in heaven, as the Bible suggests. Michael kicked the archon out of heaven – because they are made with some matter and do not belong in heaven – game – set – and match
Only Robert teaches this war is still raging on because God is unable to stand against his satan god Robert teaches there is still a cosmic battel between the god of tov and the god of ra IT IS THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF ELLEN WHITE AND THE SDA - 2 opposing gods locked in a cosmic struggel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 16:18:38 GMT -5
Well it's your choice to support something where you add writings from Gnosticism to make Hebrew torah into a brand new theology. Your choice.
Scripture says not to add to the torah or take away from torah, but you do. Your Gnostic writings are also not in harmony with Scripture. You present a different view of Satan, that Noah did not teach to the Chinese people thousands of years before a Jew even existed. So your view is wrong.
Your origin of the so called archons exists only in Gnostic writings. The Hebrew torah has another explanation, but you ignore this verse.
You don't have any gods locked in a struggle over SIN. In fact you do not even claim the war in heaven was over sin at all, only over a creation process involving a creature made with some matter, as if matter is the cause to blame!
This implies that matter is inherently with RA, again the notion that RA does not come from SIN or sinning, but the idea that RA is some natural force within nature.
Your Gnostic beliefs are fully exposed and understood by me, and they are completely different to the Hebrew Scriptures. But you are welcome to continue to support these spurious ideas and theories.
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of gnosis falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
The early Christian church opposed Gnostic writings which came AFTER the preaching of Paul and Peter. I suspect they came from Simon Magnus, a pretend believer who mixed mysticism and paganism with Christianity. He lived in Rome and became the first Peter pope of the Roman Church, the true Peter didn't preach in Rome as far as I know? But history is fuzzy and it's hard to know such details. But one does know which scrolls the Father in heaven preserved for common copying by the majority of the reformation supporters, and it wasn't Gnostic writings, it was the common received torah of the Jews. These were read and copied, and people paid for their lives reading them in English, which popery did not allow. If this isn't a continued war on earth, I do not know much about cosmic struggles.
Da 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.
This little horn power continues the war on earth against the true saints, and persecutes and destroys them. The war is over sinning and salvation, its opposite attitudes to God.
Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
The little horn power was wounded and comes to full powers again, and proclaims the green earth day as a day of rest and restoration for earth.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Notice the dragon gives this religious power its power, so the dragon is today a religious power making war against other true Christians.
Re 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
The little horn religious system blasphemes God.
Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Strange for Dave, but this religious power continues to make war on the humans on earth. Dave did point out the Allah power does some of this war, but whom does the Allah power work for? The religious powers of the little horn. Both religion temples are seen together all over Muslim countries.
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
The USA becomes a dragon power, and aligns with the little horn religious power, and this prophecy is coming soon.
Re 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
People are won over to the religious system by the miracles it does in the sight of men and all over the TV.
Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
The entire world is given this mark, just as the jabbing is a little pre-warming to one's obedience, the world is primed ready to rest on green earth day, as a allegiance to global earth day rest.
Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
What is very clear from Revelation is the opposing elohiym power becomes a religious power opposing the system of salvation directly that Jesus offers mankind. So the war continues on earth. In fact the war in heaven was over the presentation of a different salvation religious system, not based on faith on God, but based on the faith of self.
This system of salvation is presented in the torah as well.
Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Paul is saying the Jews did not "chadesh" ie surrender or submit to a Saviour, and the Jews did not amanuah the Saviour, but instead sought to establish themselves a different religious system unto righteousness, based on faith in the law, but not based on faith on a Saviour. Today with twisting modern Christian churches have a system based on belief ( a counterfeit faith) on Jesus, while saying the law no longer applies. Hence the opposing power presents make confused religions that oppose the salvation religion of Jesus.
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Post by Dave on Jul 17, 2022 20:18:35 GMT -5
Well it's your choice to support something where you add writings from Gnosticism to make Hebrew torah into a brand new theology. Your choice. The only thing I add = The Temple Library + the writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas It represents the Theology / conte3xt for jesus Christ and the agl/NT Gospel My theology = Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology + Jesus Christ the Messiah You deny Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology and replace it with Catholic satanologyYour Gnostic writings are also not in harmony with Scripture.The writings of the Temple Library + The writings of the disciples of Jesus Christ All of which are not consistant with your Ellen White SDA satanology You present a different view of Satan,My theology = Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology + Jesus Christ the MessiahYou deny Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology and replace it with Catholic satanologyYour origin of the so called archons exists only in Gnostic writings. The Hebrew torah has another explanation, but you ignore this verse. Paul said in the agl/NTCol 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: John said in the agl/NTRev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. You don't have any gods locked in a struggle over SIN. The struggle is not between two gods and two kings in heaven The real struggle is between man and archon – man and the archon’s WORLD In fact you do not even claim the war in heaven was over sin at all, only over a creation process involving a creature made with some matter, as if matter is the cause to blame! Correct – earth and heaven do not mix – like oil and water When the First sentient being was created with some matter – it’s first thought – its only thought - was only of matter - self This implies that matter is inherently with RA, again the notion that RA does not come from SIN or sinning, but the idea that RA is some natural force within nature. Correct – Entropy is inherent to matter / Entropy is a by-product of physical creationYour Gnostic beliefs are fully exposed and understood by me, and they are completely different to the Hebrew Scriptures. But you are welcome to continue to support these spurious ideas and theories. My theology = Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology + Jesus Christ the Messiah You deny Jewish Theology + Jewish Demonology and replace it with Catholic satanology1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of gnosis falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. The early Christian church opposed Gnostic writings which came AFTER the preaching of Paul and Peter. You want people to doubt the words pf James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, King Solomon, Jubilees, Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls (war Scroll, The Book of Creation, and the Book of Gaints)Da 8 - This little horn power continues the war on earth against the true saints, and persecutes and destroys them. The war is over sinning and salvation, its opposite attitudes to God. Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. The little horn power was wounded and comes to full powers again, and proclaims the green earth day as a day of rest and restoration for earth. YES - the war is an Islamic Civil War between Israel and the Sunni vrs Persia and the ShiaDaniel 8 Prophecy: Ram, Goat, Four Kingdoms, AntichristRe 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Notice the dragon gives this religious power its power, so the dragon is today a religious power making war against other true Christians. YES IT IS – AGREE 100% YES - the war is an Islamic Civil War between Israel and the Sunni vrs Persia and the ShiaRe 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: The entire world is given this mark,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 17:13:40 GMT -5
RP"You don't have any gods locked in a struggle over SIN. D" The struggle is not between two gods and two kings in heaven D" The real struggle is between man and archon – man and the archon’s WORLD R" Like I said you deny this commandment
Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohiym powers before my face. You deny Scripture.
Doesn't say anything about world.
RP"In fact you do not even claim the war in heaven was over sin at all, only over a creation process involving a creature made with some matter, as if matter is the cause to blame! D" Correct – earth and heaven do not mix – like oil and water R" SO you deny Scripture again/
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven:
You there are three Scriptures you deny
1) Cherub sinned 2) No opposing gods before my face 3) a war was in heaven long ago
RP" In fact you do not even claim the war in heaven was over sin at all, only over a creation process involving a creature made with some matter, as if matter is the cause to blame! D"Correct – Entropy is inherent to matter / Entropy is a by-product of physical creation R" Now you deny the Father can create TOV at all. If matter comes inherent with RA, than matter comes always inherent with RA, thus GOD cannot make a universe without inherent RA can He? not ever?
D" YES - the war is an Islamic Civil War between Israel and the Sunni vrs Persia and the Shia R" No, the little horn power is not Islam alone, it is a global power than attacks all the nations of the world, and persecutes the true supporters of God.
RP"Notice the dragon gives this religious power its power, so the dragon is today a religious power making war against other true Christians. D" YES IT IS – AGREE 100% R" What? you agree the dragon is a religious power attacking Christians today? Than the religious power is opposing GOD, as an elohiym power opposing God?
But you deny this?
No other elohiym powers before my face?
This implies the opposing religious power existed when Sabbath existed, before humans sinned.
DO you even acknowledge sinning is a religious power opposing God?
D"The entire world is given this mark, R" The mark of Islam? I don't think so.
The entire world is given the Sunday Sabbath commandment. Not a mark of Islam. You focus on the wrong religious system.
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Post by Dave on Jul 19, 2022 6:56:00 GMT -5
RP"Notice the dragon gives this religious power its power, so the dragon is today a religious power making war against other true Christians. D" YES IT IS – AGREE 100% R" What? you agree the dragon is a religious power attacking Christians today? Than the religious power is opposing GOD, as an elohiym power opposing God? But you deny this? YES – the BEAST is a religious powerWho teaches that God told man to go forth and be aven? Who teach against monotheism – with a family of 3 lesser independent gods working together Who teaches against the spirit and the promise of eternal life? Who denies that Jesus Christ was God incarnate?YES – the BEAST is a religious powerNo other elohiym powers before my face?Why do you teach YES – the BEAST is a religious powerRev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. YES – the BEAST is a religious powerRev 13:16 He also causes all—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slave—to receive a mark on their right hand or upon their forehead. Rev 13:17 And so no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark—either the name of the beast or the number of his name. YES – the BEAST is a religious powerRev 13:18 Here is wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number of a man, and his number is 666. YES – the BEAST is a religious powerRev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon, because he had given authority to the beast. They also worshiped the beast, chanting, “Who is like the beast, and who can make war against him?” Who says this? Answer = IslamYES – the BEAST is a religious powerThe entire world is given this mark, R" The mark of Islam? I don't think so.Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety.Only an ARROGANT ROMAN CATHOLIC thinks scripture is all about Rome – or The Congo – or Washington DCThe entire world revolves around Jersulam
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