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Post by Dave on May 22, 2022 19:33:29 GMT -5
First of all Dave, I did post this video, you found it and posted it. You goof, saying I posted this.False Witness – or as Robert claims a LIEYou talk all over the place and you contradict yourself almost daily Either you do not support / believe what you post Or you intermittently forget what you believe Greetings Dave. Some interesting thoughts here:
I watched your video on Chuck Missler, very interesting. You didn't watch mine on the Kabbalah:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoWdxfwIqg 6 minutes only Walter Veith, from Morals and Dogma, the true name of Satan Kabbalists say is Yahweh (GOD) reversed.
One thing Chuck said was the "void and darkness" happens always after judgement. And he is right. In Jerimiah's time, its the end of the city because the people are unfaithful. In the second coming of Jesus, its the end of earth as we know it, because the earth is unfaithful.
So while he suggests but doesn't say this, the so called gap, is the judgement on fallen angels, causing the earth to be "void and in darkness".
I would not call this a "gap" as in time. Time didn't exist before "day one". Hence this thing about angels becoming demons happened before "time started".
You say before Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, a "gap in the story" ? yes, but not a "Gap in time".
Dave: "You confuse Satanic Churches with the Jewish Kabbalah Have you read any of the satanic bible? Rob: "No
Dave: "I have my own Zohar, have you read it? Rob: "No
Quote: "BURN the kabbalah books that you have NOW. (see previous post) Dave: " (1)Satan is actually a good angel whose job is to help us to grow. (2) Satan became an opponent to make it difficult for us to connect... (3)The first step ... is recognition of the opponent within. (4) It is Satan’s job to hide.
Rob: "No. No. No. No.
We are very different you and I Dave on the so called Chief Archon.
1)Any angel that sinned is not or ever any good. Any angel wanting to be like our Father is proud, that totally evil. 2) Chief Archon is our opponent because he hates wanting human jury members to say that the Father is good and the Chief Archon is a liar, cheat and deceiver. 3) NO. Fight the good fight of support. Who do we support? GOD. Jesus. not some wicked sinful opponent who hates us, because he hates God. Jesus says the devil fell like lightning from heaven, so do not worry about him. Worry that Jesus has your name written in the palms of His hands. 4) The opponent only hides because he is a deceiver and liar. Also the Holy Spirit does not want an unfair contest, the Father also must hide. Miracles from both sides are limited for a reason.
Dave: "OH – the Accuser didn’t obey? Didn’t do what he was instructed? I do see it.
Would you agree that nothing exists if GOD didn't exist. No matter. No time. No chief archon. Nothing. So how do you make evil exist, if it is opposed to your nature? Simple. You make it virtual. You use a medium.
Magnifying glasses make images that appear larger, but do not make the literal object larger. Its an illusion. It's done inside a medium, actually through the clever use of two different media. This is why we have duality.
So if I want my image to become larger, I have to ask the Being holding the medium, and thus creating the illusion of the image, I have to ask permission, can you move the medium move this way? The chief archon cannot and does not move the medium affect by himself. He can't because the medium is formed outside of matter, and the chief archon is matter. Only divinity can move the divinity that causes the medium affect, hence you need permission.
When Adam and sinned, did they need permission to fall, or miss?
Who is the first Being who break relationship with? The divinity that upholds the medium, the Holy Spirit.
Ro 2:15 their conscience also bearing witness,
The Holy Spirit would have directly spoken to Eve, are you sure you want me to do this for you? There is another relationship wanting to rule over Eve:
Ge 3:1 ¶ Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Both plants and animals would have also conversed with Eve, but this one day, an animal spoken a hint of doubt about GOD...
So since GOD is the only one who upholds all things, including the existence of angels, both unfallen ones and fallen ones, we see this in the way scripture writes when more evil comes. As Clarke says when GOD moves out, Satan moves in.
Dave: "Which is it – is the Holy Spirit is involved with RA or not?
spiritualsprings.org/ss-759.htm
The blackest darkness is where Satan has a claim on you. The covered darkness is where Satan has no claim on you. You are saved by GOD. What's the difference in these mathematical science pictures? The distance from you to the source. In other words how far or close you are to GOD. In other words salvation is based sorely on relationship.
If I want to walk closer to GOD, do I need permission to do so? In other words, can I walk towards GOD on my own, using my own human free will, in my own human powers of choice?
When you choose to walk towards GOD, the Holy Spirit has to carry you there. The medium changes so you don't perish experiencing GOD more. We cannot do anything on our own.
In a similar way if Satan wants to walk far from GOD, can he do this on his own? no, the Holy Spirit also has to carry him there. If you walked away from GOD totally, you would cease to exist, for GOD upholds everything, including matter.
What is blackest darkness? The absence of God's light.
Science did experiments to prove light follows you. In a room many miles away from light, the people still saw after 3 weeks down there, the light followed them.
This does not make Satan, a sinful angel, good. The only reason sin was not destroyed immediately when it came to be, is because it had free will. and to destroy it immediately would have caused fear in the other free will creatures. It was the first time ever, such a condition of missing existed before. Nothing good about it.
If a creature moves away from light, there is nothing functional about this relationship.
Shalom my friend
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 4:27:07 GMT -5
Greetings Dave, I stand corrected, I didn't know I posted this... how rude of me... Oct 15, 2019 at 4:27am robertt said: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoWdxfwIqg6 minutes only Walter Veith, from Morals and Dogma, the true name of Satan Kabbalists say is Yahweh (GOD) reversed. So why do you say Veith is bagging Jews, he isn't anti Jewish, he is just quoting Morals and Dogma and Albert Pike/ I am surprised you remember stuff from so long ago, I don't remember that far back. SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 23, 2022 7:56:16 GMT -5
So why do you say Veith is bagging Jews, he isn't anti Jewish, he is just quoting Morals and Dogma and Albert Pike/ Who get their information from the Jewish Kabbalah
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 14:59:20 GMT -5
D" Who get their information from the Jewish Kabbalah
R" I don't think the meek humble Jew supporting Jesus would seek Albert Pike writings, or writings from Masons?
I have learned today from Messanic Jews, that the moment they support Jesus they are stripped of their Bar Mitsvah, and so are no longer a community Jew.
I get the impression to become a age 12 or 13 Bar Mistzvah or Bat Mitsvah. one must learn Jewish stuff, learn Hebrew properly at Hebrew school and than get attention one day from the elders. After that day you are a Jew, and no longer get daily attention. But I have also learned if you accept Yashuah you lose your Bar Mitsvah status.
I get the impression a Jew cannot become a yashua supporter, these things are opposites.
So Jew who supports Masonic thinking, cannot be a support Jesus who supports heavenly thinking.
And not all Jews are supporters of yester ra agents or their thinking, some seek GOD from a genuine heart.
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The Bar/Bat Mitzvah is a milestone in Jewish life. It not only tells the world that the child has reached adulthood and is taking greater responsibility for his or her actions, it strengthens his or her identity as a Jew. In Jewish law, Jewish girls (at age 12) and boys (at age 13) become responsible for observing Jewish ritual law, traditions, and ethics. The rite of passage associated with this observance is the Bar Mitzvah for boys and Bat Mitzvah for girls. Bar Mitzvah literally means son of commandment and Bat Mitzvah means daughter of commandment. However, the term in rabbinical usage has come to mean one who is subject to the law.
R" Interesting ritual for as boy becoming a man
Marty Goetz is a good Jewish boy who grew up in Cleveland, Ohio in a relatively observant Jewish family. He is also a well-known Messianic performer of psalms and praise music. In the above lyrics, he sings about his introduction into the status of manhood in his local synagogue. The song suggests he had a rather positive experience. But after describing his wonderful Bar Mitzvah, he suddenly laments, “And they won’t let me get Bar Mitzvahed again.”
R" A famous singer in the USA
Messianic Believers most often find that synagogues are unwilling to Bar Mitzvah their children. Moreover, becoming a Jewish Believer can result in Bar Mitzvah rights and privileges being stripped in the local synagogue. “I apparently lost my Bar Mitzvah rights, however, when I revealed my belief in Yeshua to the rabbi in Cincinnati where I lived. As far as he was concerned, I was no longer a Jew and I was excluded from being counted as part of the quorum of 10,” Barry said.
R" Being excluded for supporting Jesus?
In 2012, actor David Arquette, whose mother is Jewish, was Bar Mitzvahed at the Wall at the age of 40. "He was very emotional, saying he was happy to be part of the chain of the Jewish People," said Western Wall rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz, who presided over the ceremony. "I'm very pleased to see a man who is returning to his roots." (Arutz Sheva)
Although Jewish Believers are saved by faith in the saving grace of Yeshua HaMashiach and not by acts, this faith does not nullify their Jewish identity. A great many Jewish Believers train their children in Jewish prayer and practices such as the Jewish Sabbath and Jewish holidays, as well as celebrate their Bar/Bat Mitzvah, a day on which they publicly embrace God's Word, giving their commentary on the portion and their personal testimony of faith in Yeshua HaMashiach. Of course, this celebration is also a positive sign to nonbelieving family members that Jewish Believers have not abandoned their Judaism for “another religion.” “My son’s Bar Mitzvah brought my aunts from Chicago to Cincinnati (a drive of several hours) along with my mother from Florida. Although my mother had come to accept our beliefs and had prayed to accept the Messiah, her sisters were very much against our believing in Yeshua. Experiencing our son’s Bar Mitzvah and its Jewishness reassured them that we had not given up our identity as Jews,” Barry reminisced.
Being fully grounded in Judaism equips Jewish Believers to take their rightful place as part of the Jewish community, while daily developing a deeper understanding of the Jewish roots of the Good News of Yeshua our Messiah.
R" One gets the impression Jews are a sect or a community, where you must pass scrutiny and receive your Bar Mitszvah or you are not accepted as a Jew. Exclusive club more or less??
They do not tolerate Yashuah. So these Messanic Jewish are Christians pretending to be Jews? Would these Messanics have their Bar Mitszah's stripped?
Back to your question, not all Jews are in the top level and do NOT know such things. Most are grassroot people supporting YHWH as best they can. Ignorant from higher privileged learning.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2022 6:24:12 GMT -5
My gosh – you are embarrassing yourself Proof you do not understand Judaism or Christianity
In Jewish law, Jewish girls (at age 12) and boys (at age 13) become responsible for observing Jewish ritual law, traditions, and ethics. The rite of passage associated with this observance is the Bar Mitzvah for boys and Bat Mitzvah for girls.
I get the impression to become a age 12 or 13 Bar Mistzvah or Bat Mitsvah. one must learn Jewish stuff, learn Hebrew properly at Hebrew school and than get attention one day from the elders. After that day you are a Jew, and no longer get daily attention.
R" One gets the impression Jews are a sect or a community, where you must pass scrutiny and receive your Bar Mitszvah or you are not accepted as a Jew. Exclusive club more or less??
It is a right of passage Before your confirmation – you are a child and treated as a child After you conformation – you are accepted as an adult
Bar Mitzvah literally means son of commandment and Bat Mitzvah means daughter of commandment. However, the term in rabbinical usage has come to mean one who is subject to the law.
I have learned today from Messanic Jews, that the moment they support Jesus they are stripped of their Bar Mitsvah, and so are no longer a community Jew.
if you accept Yashuah you lose your Bar Mitsvah status.
DUH – DUH and more DUH
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Although Jewish Believers are saved by faith in the saving grace of Yeshua HaMashiach and not by acts, this faith does not nullify their Jewish identity. Nor do thay have to relearn a New ahl/OT
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Post by somebody on May 24, 2022 11:12:06 GMT -5
It is a right of passage
Before your confirmation – you are a child and treated as a child
After you conformation – you are accepted as an adult
A rite of passage.
Too bad that we have lost this side of our humanity.
So many young people are stuck with a loss of identity. Am I a boy, or am I a man?
In the American Indian culture, Indian boys stayed home with mother doing dishes or hiding behind her skirt; but once they stuck a feather in their head dress, they could own a horse, hunt with the men, go on a war party, and marry.
I was a Jewish boy and stayed home with the other children in the house, while father went out with the men to change the world. As a Jewish boy, it was my father’s job to make sure I knew the Torah Law. As a boy, I was expected to obey my father.
As a Jewish man, I am expected to follow the law, so I need to prove I have an understanding of the law. As a man I am expected to obey THE FATHER.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 16:43:14 GMT -5
So are you both saying the Jew who does the rite of passage and becomes Bar Mitzvah, becomes an adult Jew in the Jewish community, and is still allowed to claim Yashuah as their ruler and Saviour, and they do not lose their Bar Mistvah status, among other fellow Jews who do not support Yashuah as their Saviour? My understanding is Jews have nothing to do with Yashuah, and becoming a supporter of Jesus, causes other Jews to terminate you, have nothing to do with you, and strip you of your rights to their services in their synagogue, remove your Bar Mistvah status? Is this correct or not? I quote" www.learnreligions.com/jewish-view-of-jesus-2076763Jews do not believe that Jesus was divine or the "son of God," or the Messiah prophesied in Jewish scripture. He is seen as a "false messiah," meaning someone who claimed (or whose followers claimed for him) the mantle of the Messiah but who ultimately did not meet the requirements laid out in Jewish belief.Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2022 18:11:51 GMT -5
www.learnreligions.com/jewish-view-of-jesus-2076763Jews do not believe that Jesus was divine or the "son of God," or the Messiah prophesied in Jewish scripture. He is seen as a "false messiah," meaning someone who claimed (or whose followers claimed for him) the mantle of the Messiah but who ultimately did not meet the requirements laid out in Jewish belief. Are you trying to be serious – or are you trying to make a joke?Did Jesus fulfill all the requirements of the Jewish messiah – YES or NO?So are you both saying the Jew who does the rite of passage and becomes Bar Mitzvah, becomes an adult Jew in the Jewish community, YES – as a child you are under your father’s house YES – as an adult – you are under the Law of Mosesand is still allowed to claim Yashuah as their ruler and Saviour, and they do not lose their Bar Mistvah status, among other fellow Jews who do not support Yashuah as their Saviour? Why don’t you understand Christian scripture – have you ever read the agl/NTRom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Bar Mitzvah literally means son of commandment and Bat Mitzvah means daughter of commandment. However, the term in rabbinical usage has come to mean one who is subject to the law. Christians are no longer Sons and Daughters of the LAW Messianic Jews are no longer under the law – and they lose their Bar Mitzvah My understanding is Jews have nothing to do with Yashuah, Correct – Jesus did not fulfill all the prophesies of the Messiahand becoming a supporter of Jesus, causes other Jews to terminate you, have nothing to do with you, and strip you of your rights to their services in their synagogue, remove your Bar Mistvah status? Is this correct or not? YES – the Messianic Jew changes churches No Longer attends Synagogue – but fellowships as a Christian But you insist that they relearn everything they have ever known about their own theology and require them all to become CatholicHEY SOMEBODY - welcome - post more - teach us what you know - a voice from the Jewish commuity is most welcome - we all have somethingto say - what is on your mind?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 4:02:25 GMT -5
Yeah I agree, having a person with a Jewish background is most welcome SHalom
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Post by somebody on May 25, 2022 12:12:50 GMT -5
You would not enjoy a conversation with me. I am neither orthodox or practicing. Robert is an idiot and Dave is too mystical. But Robert has hit a nerve. Christians are resented within Israel! It is hard to become a Christian convert because we choose not to hate our parents, our families, our friends, or our ancestors.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 17:01:54 GMT -5
Greetings Somebody our Jewish guest,
Robert is an idiot. Hmm?
So the Jew does not want to abandon his family for the sake of following Jesus as a Christian.
You are neither orthodox or practicing.
There are examples of Jews who left their families to love the family of God. Eph 3:15,16 Even Jesus said who is my mother and my brother? But the one who supports God.
Are you talking more about abandoning your traditions and cultural heritage, that fellow Jews have developed around you? This gives you a sense of purpose and identity?
Since Abram, Enoch , Jacob, David and Jesus are all Hebrews, thus Jews, do we lose anything by supporting Jesus the Jew, rather than supporting the culture of our fellow family members? I don't think we lose anything. But that is a choice we all have to make.
My brother can't stand me, he says 'Christianity is a crutch for weaklings to lean on'. I don't mind that he says this of me, only in Jesus do us weaklings become strong.
Shalom to you.
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Post by Dave on May 25, 2022 20:01:27 GMT -5
Robert is an idiot. Hmm? You do NOT present a well-educated or well thought out discussion – you just repeat the same words over and over in hopes someone will believe you – then you fail you present a consistent doctrine
Are you talking more about abandoning your traditions and cultural heritage, that fellow Jews have developed around you? This gives you a sense of purpose and identity?
Man – you have zero social skills my friend According to you – to be a good Christian – everything the Jews believe is error – they do not know their own language – religion – or culture – how much more disrespectful can you be?
My brother can't stand me, he says 'Christianity is a crutch for weaklings to lean on'. I don't mind that he says this of me, only in Jesus do us weaklings become strong. Why is your witness ineffective? Instead of playing the poor victim – you should present only the facts in a spirit of truth
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Post by Dave on May 26, 2022 9:30:11 GMT -5
Robert – your lack of honesty is pathological – you said this
“Since Abram, Enoch , Jacob, David and Jesus are all Hebrews, thus Jews, do we lose anything by supporting Jesus the Jew, rather than supporting the culture of our fellow family members? I don't think we lose anything. But that is a choice we all have to make.”
But you do not mean a word of it
According to you – all Jews must reject their heritage and theology – then stop and relearn a new Catholic ahl/OT - you expect someone who is raised with MONOTHIESTIC ONE TRUE GOD – to adopt a pantheon of 4 gods – 3 working together for tov and a god of ra
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Post by Dillon on May 26, 2022 12:59:47 GMT -5
youtu.be/Ukd05G9ggb0Why Do People Hate Jews? They reject Jesus They killed Jesus They became the bankers
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 16:20:16 GMT -5
D"Are you talking more about abandoning your traditions and cultural heritage, that fellow Jews have developed around you? This gives you a sense of purpose and identity?
Man – you have zero social skills my friend R" Oh, so should I have said something friendly, "like it great to have you here talking to us"
What was wrong with what I said anyway?
D"you should present only the facts in a spirit of truth R" Such as ?
D"Since Abram, Enoch , Jacob, David and Jesus are all Hebrews, thus Jews, do we lose anything by supporting Jesus the Jew, rather than supporting the culture of our fellow family members? I don't think we lose anything. But that is a choice we all have to make.”
But you do not mean a word of it R" I certainly did mean every word. How much do you lose becoming a Jew under the leadership of Jesus?
Nothing, I like being a Hebrew, meaning to cross over.
D"According to you – all Jews must reject their heritage and theology R" Not at all. Unless you say we have to lose those hundreds of Sabbath keeping rules. I keep a few mentioned in Scripture, like not cooking food on Sabbath. But twirling around in a certain direction, is what? A ritual some human made up? Do we need those traditions? I don't think so.
I also plan to give my soil a rest, this is a Hebrew rule too. I also avoid unclean foods, including GMO foods. I also believe we should keep the feasts as well as they help us get ready to meet Jesus. There are few SDA who believe in keeping feasts, so we are not all the same.
D"you expect someone who is raised with MONOTHIESTIC ONE TRUE GOD – to adopt a pantheon of 4 gods – 3 working together for tov and a god of ra R" Why don't we ask SDA Jews how they seek God? Why do you suppose the current traditional Jews are correct? Abram knew differently? DO you assume to say otherwise? I support mononetheism whatever that means....
What is a Jew anyway? Somebody with Bar Mitszvah, indoctrinated into a cultural cult status that must be maintained strictly? Or can you be a Jew spiritually?
Answer this question" Ge 19:24 ¶ Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
How many YHWH are there in heaven, here are TWO YHWH one on earth and one in heaven, both separated by space, but not time, both with minds, body and we assume shapes.
The word YHWH has two divine members in the word YH and WH the "hey" is a person, the letter is a pictograph, but modern Jews refuse to acknowledge this. Jeff Benner again.
Ge 20:13 And it came to pass, when God (elohiym's) caused me to wander from my father's house,
SO like Jews we ignore verses we don't like, or do not fit the overall theme?
Prove me wrong on these three ideas.
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Sorry Dillon, Google now wants me to sign in, provide a password, but also get a phone number code, I do not own a phone...and I hate being tracked by big companies
I respect Jews, saw Milton on Messanic email, He loved and saved 600 children or so. We are all children of Abram, so being Hebrew is our salvation. We all reject Jesus, me on a daily basis am guily of missing His powers. We all killed Jesus because of our sins, me included.
We all covet money and the money system, though I try to avoid this these days. It is a form of salvery. The end of time is played out over Jews and Israel, we we need to watch our brothers and the end of time, and get ready to meet Jesus who is a Jew, as I believe.
SHalom
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