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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 16:24:02 GMT -5
I will listen to this video again tonight for more detail
But first I counter his claim and mocking
One week. “He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.” One week would, of course, be seven years, which, added to twenty-six, would make thirty-three years after Christ. Here, too, we find an exact and literal accomplishment of the angel’s declaration. The gospel of Jesus Christ preached by John three and a half years, and by Christ three and half years, making seven years, called one week and then Messiah cut off, and not for himself, Christ crucified, ends the seventy weeks, proves Daniel’s prophecy true; establishes the vision, confounds the Jew, confutes the infidel, and ought to establish the mind of every believer in the remainder of the vision " WIlliam Millar Miller’s Works, vol. 2. Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ about the Year, lecture 4".
"Then, said the angel, “He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [seven years].” For seven years after the Saviour entered on His ministry, the gospel was to be preached especially to the Jews; for three and a half years by Christ Himself; and afterward by the apostles. “In the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” Daniel 9:27. In the spring of A. D. 31, Christ the true sacrifice was offered on Calvary. Then the veil of the temple was rent in twain, showing that the sacredness and significance of the sacrificial service had departed. The time had come for the earthly sacrifice and oblation to cease". Desire of Ages, by Ellen White 233.2
Please comment, and show me why the prophecies of Daniel are not to be considered following the day for a year principle?
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Post by Dave on May 17, 2022 17:32:54 GMT -5
Millar Miller’s Works, vol. 2. – and – The Desire of Ages, by Ellen White Are not scripture – it is only church doctrine Is this truly the depth of your study into Daniel youtu.be/9ecaXE2yyv0The False Verse Added to the Bible | The Chronological Gospels This is such a hot topic in theology right now! More of Rome adjusting scripture to fit their doctrine This is such a hot topic in theology right now! More of Rome adjusting scripture to fit their doctrine John 6:4 only exist the Eramaus Greek = Textus Receptus = KJV It does not exist in all of the 100s of other copies of John The Gospel a line chronologically across all 4 Gospels = except John 6:4 adds almost 2 more years to his timeline This only a distraction ---------------------- Why do you deny the spirit and the spiritual – why do you refuse to discuss the baptism of the Holy SpiritAnswer – you do not believe it – you are 100 CatholicWe are called to be First Fruits – we are called to be Christ on earthYou say – just believe and do your prayers
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 5:14:40 GMT -5
D" John 6:4 only exist the Eramaus Greek = Textus Receptus = KJV It does bt exist in all of the 100s of other copies of John
Interesting.
Why can't the 70 weeks be 70 years in Daniel, a day for a year?
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Post by Dave on May 18, 2022 7:59:55 GMT -5
Why can't the 70 weeks be 70 years in Daniel, a day for a year? Was Jesus born only 70 years after Daniel?
This is a distraction – please address the issues before us
Why do you reject the demonology of the whole world – for Catholic Fallen Angels?
Why do you deny the spirit and the spiritual – why do you refuse to discuss the baptism of the Holy Spirit Answer – you do not believe it – you are 100 Catholic We are called to be First Fruits – we are called to be Christ on earth You say – just believe and do your prayers
Jesus was a Jew – Hs disciples were Jewish – His First followers were Jewish – His audience was Jewish Why do you reject the Jewish Gospel of Jesus Christ and replace it with Catholic belief? Why do you deny Jewish demonlogy and replace it with Catholic satan? Explain to me why your church doctrine different than the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 16:40:10 GMT -5
Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (KJV
You mock that Newton didn't fathom this?
Da 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:
The book is closed, was closed, until end of time, which began around Millers time in 1844.
Nobody could fathom the prophecy until than... Scripture says so
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Post by Dave on May 19, 2022 11:21:53 GMT -5
Nobody could fathom the prophecy until than... Scripture says so
And this is your argument against the current discussion within Christendom?
I gave you an opportunity to open a thred on Daniel and teach us - instead you just talk about talking about it
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 4:32:08 GMT -5
DO you want a typical SDA video on the 2400 year prophecy that includes Daniel 70 weeks?
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Post by Dave on May 20, 2022 9:08:56 GMT -5
NO I do not ant you to change the subject so you can avoid or evade ther questions to you.
Posting a biases viseo - is not a deep scriptural study Why is it - that when I ask you for your opinion - you just copy and paste other peoples responces?
If I call you on it - you will just say - that isn't realy your belief after all How much time have you wasted doing that?
Then you always have an excuse - no inetenet - no time - can't afford - don't need formal education. What you are saying is you have no interest in learning. You are not well read beause you cannot read and it is obvious here in so many ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 15:57:09 GMT -5
D"You are not well read beause you cannot read and it is obvious here in so many ways.
R" It is true my interest in things of God are different to you, Our website is totally devoted to the Science of Salvation, but you do not understand what that means, and consider doing things daily is just a ritual.
You also have no real understanding of amanuah, neither do I, that is why I am asking others to test what I have discovered? Is it true or not true?
But you claim amanuah is a belief, NO, Han and Aaron were not believing in the arms of Moses, they were supporting his arms firmly upwards, is what I see in Exodus 17:12, the first use of amanuah.
D"If I call you on it - you will just say - that isn't realy your belief after all How much time have you wasted doing that?
R" What? I do not waste time...I support what I write?
D"Posting a biases viseo - is not a deep scriptural study R" I support every word Walter Veith presents in a video, well nearly all of his ideas. I don't like what he says on the feasts of the Lord. But that is a problem SDA have with torah, that whittle away much of the torah for some reason as ceremonial, and thus died when Jesus died on the cross.
Some topics are too big and confusing for us to discuss Dave, as you have differences already with too much material between us.
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Post by Dave on May 20, 2022 16:53:37 GMT -5
You also have no real understanding of amanuah, neither do I, that is why I am asking others to test what I have discovered? Is it true or not true? But you claim amanuah is a belief, NO, Han and Aaron were not believing in the arms of Moses, they were supporting his arms firmly upwards, is what I see in Exodus 17:12, the first use of amanuah.
Robert – I posted your entire treatise here You absolutely deny the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you say it is impossible and unnecessary Yet you refuse to discuss the very scripture I keep suggesting Just how much time does your church spend on the Book of Acts?
D"If I call you on it - you will just say - that isn't really your belief after all How much time have you wasted doing that? R" What? I do not waste time...I support what I write?
R" I support every word Walter Veith presents in a video So your King James version is error and the Jews teach that Jesus is actually satan What a bunch of religious crap
Some topics are too big and confusing for us to discuss Dave, What a cop out for the ignorant who is unwilling to learn
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 2:08:15 GMT -5
D"You absolutely deny the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you say it is impossible and unnecessary
R" I do NOT. What is wrong with you saying that?
You do not even have a feminine HS in the first place, all you have is a Father pretending to be the HS as an expression of Himself as masculine in feminine form. That is role playing, acting.
My heavenly Father is no role player, not actor. The SHadday is real and is truly feminine in the way the HS's love is expressed. Wisdom is feminine, her wings are feminine. And the HS truely has something like a womb from which the creative aspects of human development occurs in the compassion-centre of the HS. Also called the second birth. I can quote my website on this if you like, written 12 years before I even met you. So stop misquoting me.
D"Yet you refuse to discuss the very scripture I keep suggesting R" What Scripture are you discussing?
D"Just how much time does your church spend on the Book of Acts? R" I don't know, I spend some time in Acts.... What is your point?
D"So your King James version is error R" fuzzy sometimes, but not errors, no
D"Jews teach that Jesus is actually satan R" Jews do not preach this. Why did you write this?
D"What a bunch of religious crap R" Why must you mock all the time?
RP"Some topics are too big and confusing for us to discuss Dave, D" What a cop out for the ignorant who is unwilling to learn R" You do not agree with me on the topics we have discussed, so I am not wasting time with newer topics.
You ignore Ezekiel 28 on the cherubs that sin. It's a fact a true prophet records the cherubs sinned. SO Jews ignore the also. But Uncle Noah didn't
It is written that desire is a heart full of devil.
It's a pity I can't find much more about ancient Chinese writings.
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Post by Dave on May 21, 2022 10:11:32 GMT -5
D"You absolutely deny the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you say it is impossible and unnecessaryR" I do NOT. What is wrong with you saying that?D"Baptized by the Holy Spirit – First Fruits R" What does this mean? Is this more of your consistent teaching Or is this just more of your sinning false reportingYou do not even have a feminine HS in the first place, This is just more of your sinning false reportingD"Yet you refuse to discuss the very scripture I keep suggestingR" What Scripture are you discussing?Act 1:1 The former treatise I made, O Theophilus, concerning all that Jesus began both to do and to teach, Act 1:2 until the day in which he was received up, after that he had given commandment through the Holy Spirit unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Act 1:3 to whom he also showed himself alive after his passion by many proofs, appearing unto them by the space of forty days, and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God: Act 1:4 and, being assembled together with them, he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, ye heard from me: Act 1:5 for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence. The disciples were all believers – had faith – you say this is all there isI am speaking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you mock it – call it satanic – glassonlia D"Just how much time does your church spend on the Book of Acts? R" I don't know, I spend some time in Acts.... What is your point?Why do you refuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you teach it is unnecessary because we are all empower by the Holy Spirit alreadyD"So your King James version is error R" fuzzy sometimes, but not errors, no In your posted video – Walter veith taks about the how the KJV selectively leaves out the word THE so the scripture reads incorrectlyD"Jews teach that Jesus is actually satan R" Jews do not preach this. Why did you write this? In your posted video to me – he makes this claim - and I stopped watching - and told you so at the timeD"What a bunch of religious crap R" Why must you mock all the time? Anyone who misrepresents the facts to make a point is dishonest!It's a pity I can't find much more about ancient Chinese writings.You should spend more time with scripture and stop looking for ways to validate the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 5:45:23 GMT -5
D"Act 1:5 for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence. R" You seem to think this is a baptism of power by the Holy Spirit alone. You fail to read line upon line for all the verses on this theme.
Joh 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you
This passage tells us Jesus goes into heaven as our high priest in his divinity but enclosed around in his divinity with our humanity. His humanity restricts some of his functions of divinity, hence the HS functions as a messenger for Christ, and brings His powers and His spirit to every individual who claims His powers by faith. Thus the Spirit of Truth, is Jesus coming into our hearts, via the HS, whom is especially promised to the early disciples. I refer to these stages as the unempowered HS stage (before Jesus died) and the empowered HS stage (after Jesus died). Hence the power of GOD upon mankind increased dramatically after Jesus died and rose. Before His death, sinners were saved on the promise, after His death sinners are saved because of His death and resurrection. Before His death the vail blocked entrance to the Father, after His death the vail was torn, exposing us to pray confidently to the Father. Thus there were two stages of empowerment by the HS. The disciples are empowered with several and different gifts from Jesus, via the HS. Each person is gifted according the way Jesus wants you gifted. We also receive fruits of the Father via the HS, such as love, joy, peace, etc.
D"Why do you refuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you teach it is unnecessary R" You assume there is a special power from the HS directly, a so called baptism of the HS only. The way to receive power from God is to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and HS. D"In your posted video – Walter veith taks about the how the KJV selectively leaves out the word THE so the scripture reads incorrectly R" I didn't know I posted a Veith video that teaches this? Can I have the link please?
D"In your posted video to me – he makes this claim - R" Really? Vieth says Jews think Jesus is satan? Weird. Show me the link.
D"You should spend more time with scripture R" I do, our website is all about Scripture, SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 22, 2022 7:25:06 GMT -5
D"Act 1:5 for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence. R" You seem to think this is a baptism of power by the Holy Spirit alone. DUH Act 1:5 for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence. Joh 16:7-14 - This passage tells us Jesus goes into heaven as our high priest in his divinity but enclosed around in his divinity with our humanity. His humanity restricts some of his functions of divinity, hence the HS functions as a messenger for Christ, and brings His powers and His spirit to every individual who claims His powers by faith. Thus the Spirit of Truth, is Jesus coming into our hearts, via the HS, whom is especially promised to the early disciples. This passage tell us that Christ sends the Comforter – He or She don’t matter – because it is just the spirit of God – it is just the spirit of Christ Yes – It/He/She teaches us YES – it provides gifts – discernment, healing, speaking in tongues, whom is especially promised to the early disciples.WHY do you think Jesus Christ – the Holy Spirit – and miracles from God are only for ancient man Why do you think Christianity and communion with the Spirit of the Lord is just a storyWe are called to be disiples - we are call to be Christs on earth - we are called to be on the front lines witnessing for for the Lord to all the nations of the world (Jer 1:5}You teach just to be a follower - nothing more - no gifts for you - no Baptism of the Holy Spirit for you - that was only for thsose men 2000 years agoI refer to these stages as the unempowered HS stage (before Jesus died) and the empowered HS stage (after Jesus died). STOP IT – you teach man has no spirit and we are all empowered by the HS –good men and bad men When God withholds His empowering – man falls over dead D"Why do you refuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit – you teach it is unnecessary R" You assume there is a special power from the HS directly, a so called baptism of the HS only. The way to receive power from God is to baptise in the name of the Father, Son and HS.WHY do you deny that Judeo-Christianity is real and alive today – why is it that the promises were only story about ancient manD"In your posted video – Walter veith taks about the how the KJV selectively leaves out the word THE so the scripture reads incorrectly R" I didn't know I posted a Veith video that teaches this? Can I have the link please? Your second Walter Veith videoD"In your posted video to me – he makes this claim - R" Really? Vieth says Jews think Jesus is satan? Weird. Show me the link. Your fist video of him bashing the Jewish KabbalahFound it: You didn't watch mine on the Kabbalah: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoWdxfwIqg Walter Veith - YHWH Name Reversed is Satan as Kabalists by Albert Pike - Amazing Discoveries6 minutes only Walter Veith, from Morals and Dogma, the true name of Satan Kabbalists say is Yahweh (GOD) reversed. SERIOUSLY ROBERT - don't you even know what you teach?THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-SEMITISM
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 16:37:27 GMT -5
First of all Dave, I did post this video, you found it and posted it.
You goof, saying I posted this.
Second Veith is quoting Albert Pike and quoting the Masonic sources. Upper Masons know this, Lower masons don't know.
D"Walter Veith, from Morals and Dogma, the true name of Satan Kabbalists say is Yahweh (GOD) reversed.
R" Veith quote their writings, so he presents facts, not his opinion.
What is your problem?
D" THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-SEMITISM
R" Veith is not against Jews. He is against Masons and Masonic religion. He quotes Albert Pike, and others.
Can't you listen and read the sources?
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