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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 12:33:00 GMT -5
I quote from this person, who presents the problem nicely Posted on August 11, 2010 by John Oakeswrote in Church History, General, History. General Church HistoryQuestion:Catholicsm is a tradition which has been passed for a long time. Where was its origin and the approximately when did it begin?Answer:I will assume you are talking about the Roman Catholic Church. There is also the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church and the Coptic Catholic Church. These names are in a sense oxymorons, since the word catholic means universal. By definition, there cannot be more than one universal church.
In any case, the Roman Catholic Church traces its beginning back to the original church which was established at Pentecost in AD 30. Christians started the church in Rome almost certainly by AD 50. Paul visited the well-established church in AD 63. The Roman Catholic Church can trace its roots all the way back to the original Christian church in Rome.
This fact may be confusing to you, because you are probably aware that the Roman Catholic Church today is very far from holding to biblical Christianity, with its popes, vestments, sacraments, incense, celibate priests, nuns, church calendar and much more. The Roman Catholic Church is clearly a very corrputed version of Christianity. Nevertheless, it is a historical fact that the church in Rome can literally trace its roots in a more or less uninterrupted line to the time of the apostles. Of course, Catholics, like Orthodox Christians, are very proud of their historical roots. My suggestion is that you not argue with this claim because it is true. The Episcopalian, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal and other denominations cannot claim what the Roman Church can claim historically. Of course, genaeology does not equal truth and the fact that a particular group cannot trace its history back to Pentecost does not mean that they are not true Christians, but the facts of history are the facts of history. Having said that, you should not be intimidated by the facts of history. The facts of history show that gradually, over several hundred years, the early church, and especially the church in Rome added many man-made traditions to the simple truth of Christianity. By the third century, they were baptizing babies and worshipping at the graves of "saints." By the fifth century the Catholic Church accepted Original Sin and Transubstantiation. Eventually, the Catholic Church invented false teachings and practices such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, celibate priests papal infallibility and the like. Some of these are unbiblical traditions, others are false doctrines. What you should do is try to find a church which is strongly committed to biblical Christianity and is willing to put biblical principles into practice.So one could argue Catholics influenced the early church as soon as it got started in AD 55. Shalom I quote from this person, who presents the problem nicely So one could argue Catholics influenced the early church as soon as it got started in AD 55.Rich is part of a large congregation – 2 different used car salesmen I asked him if that is where he buys his cars – he winked and said – don’t trust either of them Christendom brother to brother Can a used car salesman be a Christian and turn a profit? – off of widows and orphans – or the unemployed and struggeling? So one could argue Catholics influenced the early church as soon as it got started in AD 55.YES Robert – your famous Simon Magnus is a perfect exampleBorn Again Spirit Filled Christians – vrs – a Pretender that wanted to buy his way into a position of power and honor Born Again Spirit Filled Christians – vrs – “CHURCHIANITY” – organized religion – state sanction collusion The First Born Again Messianic Jews – the DISCIPLES THEMSELVES were all martyred! The Messianic Judaism of Jesus Christ – vrs – man-made church / religion THIS IS THE ROMAN EDIT – they changed Messianic Judaism into Roman Christendom WHY?Rome marched all around the known world and ruled everyone But Rome could NOT rule the Jew – Jews already have a KING – Caesar is just a man with powerBeginning with Alexander – the religion was outlawed – the language was banned But it didn’t work Jesus gave us the Gospel – it is Messianic Judaism – the call to be led by the Spirit – which is GOD WE ALREAD HAVE A KING – President Trump – Xi – Morrison – Putin are just men with powerBeginning with the FATHERS of the Roman Catholic Church – James, John, Paul, Peter, Philip, and Thomas are classified as HERITICS!Roman Christendom is all about state sanctioned dependence on the church – which is the state Mother Teresa spent 84 years in the service of the Lord – but just before she died she said @#$% Without a Priest there to offer absolution – eternal hell Who is the absolute POWER in a country? The KING – or the Priest that ORDAINES him in the name of the LordHow did the Pope make King Phillip of France go on a crusade King Phillip had no money – did not want to finance a war But the Pope said – No Frenchmen can enter heaven – unless you go (google) Who was the pope during King Philip of France? Pope Boniface VIII - Boniface excommunicated Philip and all others who prevented French clergy from traveling to the Holy See, after which the king sent his troops to attack the pope's residence in Anagni on 7 September 1303 and capture him. (google) What did King Philip do to the pope? Philip, who constantly needed cash and considered taxation his legal right, retaliated by prohibiting the export of gold, silver and other items of value without his approval, a move meant to deprive the pope of donations from French Catholics Cool Book “ Philip Augustus, political circumstance, and crusadeJames Naus - DOI:10.7228/manchester/9780719090974.003.0006” How far away from the Gospel is THIS?THIS IS THE ROMAN EDIT – they changed Messianic Judaism into Roman ChristendomPONDER THIS ROBERT – how could any authority – law – nation – government – movement – asks it people to go to war – if they were all Born Again Spirit Filled Christians? Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Stop and Ponder – how could any government make a nation of spirit filled Christians fight in a war? THIS IS THE ROMAN EDIT – they changed Messianic Judaism into Roman ChristendomQUESTION – is satan the usurper of the faithAnswer – YES - Rev 12:9 … the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satanas, who deceives the whole world.How do they work – In the Garden – all the serpent could do is talk talk talk – suggest The serpent only FUELS – animal lust – desire –want – greed Eve was never possessed or forced Reality – most of the evil done to man is done by man – (yester ra) our animal nature Reality – most of Christendom is built upon – and filled with – pretenders – alpha males – charismatic leaders – and without the church would still have been alpha males as politicians doing their animal best Reality – is it spiritual – ABSOLUTELYQuote – “Outside our field of vision are entities that are anything but human – and they have been manipulating the world from the outside for eons” – David Ike Quote – “Some people call then demonic, some call them the serpent race, Islam calls them the Jinn” – David Ike Paul calls them the archon – Principalities - against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, Beelzebub = Jewish satan = the offspring of an Arch-Angel who also had offspring – and who is governed by the Arch-Angel Uriel This was the theology of Jesus Christ – and all the disciples – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and ThomasThe doctrine of Fallen Angels = a Post-Jesus Roman invention by the church (small c intended)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:50:28 GMT -5
Nicely written Dave
How do we know the Jewish writing wasn't changed by a Babylonian Edit, during their exile, to Babylon?
We know the writing changed from Ancient Hebrew Moses wrote, to the square stuff we assume is Hebrew, when its not. So what else changed?
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 22:03:35 GMT -5
How do we know the Jewish writing wasn't changed by a Babylonian Edit, during their exile, to Babylon? Not the Point – I am an agl/NT Christian
This was the theology of Jesus Christ – and all the disciples – James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
The doctrine of Fallen Angels = a Post-Jesus Roman invention by the church (small c intended) ---
We know the writing changed from Ancient Hebrew Moses wrote, to the square stuff we assume is Hebrew, when its not. So what else changed?
Different discussion – infallibility as to message or literal infallibility Why 186 different translations Answer – God only allows His Word to say what He allows Man is required to employ – precept upon precept, line upon line
Psa 19:2 + Rom 1:19-20
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Post by Dave on May 12, 2022 22:17:31 GMT -5
The Babylonian Edit, during their exile, to Babylon? This could be a topic all by itself – Daniel was the Chief priest of Babylon Daniel was the Chief Magi of Babylon Daniel was a wealthy man Daniel was a eunuch WHAT HAPPENS TO DANIEL’S WEALTH Daniel – makes his 70 week prophesy Daniel uses pagan Zoroasterian astrology in the prediction 70 weeks later at least 2 Zoroastrian Magi – follow Daniels prophesy at least 2 Zoroastrian Magi – Show up to validate Jesus Christ with WEALTH for Jesus Wealth Jesus uses to evade King Herod Every “Christian Nativity” include 2-3 Zorasterian Magi and their gifts as validationGen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. King Nebuchadrezzar besieged and captured Jerusalem. - took the temple treasure and Daniel - a prophet of the Lord - 70 weeks later = prophesy fulfillment and wealth for baby JesusPS – Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. if John 6:4 is a bastard verse – then the ministry of Jesus = 70 weeks
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 5:09:57 GMT -5
How is Daniel mixed with Zoroasterian astrology ?
And what is Zorasterian Magi ?
I thought you don't like Zorasterian stuff?
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Post by Dave on May 13, 2022 13:58:28 GMT -5
Catch up before we move on - research everything you know about him - and we will have a SERIOUS DISCUSSION later
Open a thred somewhere and teach us all about Daniel You won't be wrong - just not complete
The story is as amazing as King Solomon's One story at a time - so you can keep up
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 16:16:53 GMT -5
I will get back to you on this, as a preacher once said, there are written many books out there, and all is vanity....so why bother researching things we cannot prove?
But at the end of the long windy recourse is written this advice
Ec 12:13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
You ignore the universalism of God's commandments about love boundaries. The wisest man on earth concludes with this thought, and I agree with Solomon on this.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2022 8:47:20 GMT -5
I will get back to you on this, as a preacher once said, there are written many books out there, and all is vanity....so why bother researching things we cannot prove?
And you assume he was talking about the Jewish Temple Scrolls - or the writings of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas - the men that walked and talked with Jesus Christ both before and after the Cross and Resurrection
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:53:57 GMT -5
D"The story is as amazing as King Solomon's
R" I am not sure Solomon controlled demons as people claim, no mention in Chronicles?
The Testament of Solomon begins with the story of a demon named Ornias who stole wages from a worker building the Temple and then sucked the thumb of a man’s son, sapping his strength. Solomon interrogates the boy and discovers the demon’s activities. Solomon prays to the Lord for help, and Michael gives him a ring through which he can imprison demons. He gives the ring to the boy and traps the demon. The boy turns the demon over to Solomon. The demon is brought to the throne of Solomon. Solomon asks him where he lives and he answers with a reference to the zodiac. He mentions he was once thwarted by the archangel Ouriel. Solomon prays to this angel, who comes and commands the demon to cut stones to help finish the temple. Ornias is given the ring and told to bring the prince of demons to Solomon. What follows is a list of demon names and a suggested method for exorcising the demon
Rob" Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, How many archangels are there? The torah only speaks of one? So this scroll is false, not inspired.
The rest of the book is a series of interrogations. Ornias brings a demon before Solomon, the demon is named, briefly described and then gives the way he might be thwarted. This usually involves invoking a powerful name, such as an angel or Jesus.Ornias goes to Beelzeboul and captures him with the ring. Solomon questions the prince of demons closely. Solomon asks Beelzeboul if there are female demons. He shows one to Solomon, Onoskelis, a beautiful woman who had the legs of a mule. Solomon questions here about her origin and activities and then commands her to spin hemp into ropes.
Rob" Beelzeboul is named in the NT, as the chief demon. The Jews claimed Jesus was working for the chief demon.
How can this be, if Jews know the chief demon is also under the angels of God? Mt 12:24
So Jesus said if Satan cast out Satan, meaning if Beelzebub cast out Beelzebub, how shall his kingdom stand?
Jesus was saying that the demons have a kingdom that is theirs and not a part of God's.
And in case you argue silly with me, Jesus added a figure to explain
Mt 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
A robber is opposing the owner, they do not come from the same side. Thus the demons cannot and do not come from God. They rob and spoil the children of men, hence why Jesus casts them out, so His kingdom is established on earth.
This negates Solomon use of demons, and is false. God would would not use the opposers to help build His temple.
Chapter 5: Solomon commands Asmodeus to be brought to him, whom he also questions. He explains his origins and activities (marring the beauty of virgins and causing murders), and he explains that the angel Raphael caused him to go away by burning the liver and gall of a sheatfish (a large catfish, cf. Tobit 6:2 for this method of exorcism). Asmodeus is command to mold clay into vessels for the temple.
Chapter 6: Solomon begins to question Beelzeboul again. Beelzeboul “holds in his power the race of those bound by me in Tartarus. He is being nurtured in the Red Sea; when he is ready, he will come in triumph.” He tells Solomon he can be thwarted by several names, Eloi-I causes him to tremble and disappear. Solomon commanded this demon to cut marble for the temple.
Chapter 7: Solomon interrogates Lix Tetrax, the demon of the winds. The name Lix Tetrax appears on a tablet from Crete and is associated with Ephesian magical texts. This is a “blast demons” sometimes found Aramaic incantation texts. The demon explains his origins and activities (whirlwinds and divisions), and tells Solomon three names which will cast him out (including the name of the archangel Azael). He is forced to raise stones for the Temple.
Rob" Another so called archangel named "the name of the archangel Azael"
Chapter 8: Solomon interrogates the seven stars of heaven, Deception, Strife, Fate, Distress, Error, Power, and “The Worst.” Their activities are fairly self-explanatory, but Error says “I am Error, King Solomon, and I am leading you into error, and I led you into error when I made you kill your brothers.” This refers to Solomon’s execution of his brother Adonijah (1 Kings 2:25). Solomon commanded them to dig the foundation of the Temple.
Chapter 9: Solomon interrogates a demon called Murder, who is all limbs and no head. He claims “When infants are ten days old, and if one cries during the night, I become a spirit and I rush in and attack (the infant) through his voice” (9.5). He can only be stopped by a flash of lighting.
Chapter 10: Solomon interrogates a demon called Scepter, who was in the form of a gigantic dog. This demon says “I deceive men who follow my star closely and I lead (them) into stupidity.” This demon helps Solomon obtain an emerald for the Temple.
Lion-Shaped Demon, Testament of SolomonChapter 11: Solomon interrogates a demon called “the Lion-Shaped Demon” who has a legion of demons under him. This demon “who sneaks in and watches over all who are lying ill with a disease and I make it impossible for man to recover from his taint” (11.2).
Chapter 12: Solomon interrogates a three-headed dragon demon who can be thwarted by the “place of the skull,” an allusion to the crucifixion. He is ordered to make bricks for the temple.
Chapter 13: Solomon interrogates Obyzouth, a female demon with disheveled hair. Disheveled hair evokes Medusa, guardian goddess of Aphrodite, but demons with wild hair also appears in Revelation 9:8. Obyzouth travels all night looking for women giving birth in order to make them strangle their baby. The angel Raphael thwarts her by writing her name on a papyri.
Chapter 14: Solomon interrogates a demon called “the so-called Winged Demon.” This demon performs perverse acts in the night and sometimes copulates with beautiful women “through their buttocks.” He is countered by an angel in the second heaven named Bazazath, a name only appearing here in the pseudepigrapha. He is forced to cut marble for the temple.
Rob" DOes the torah forbid the unnatural positions of sex? through their buttocks.” Another reason to say the writings do not follow the torah "Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Chapter 15: Solomon interrogates a demon called Enepsigos. This female demon has countless names and can be conjured in many forms (including Kronos). The angel Rathanael can thwart her, but the Temple cannot hold her. Solomon inquires of the angel Rathanael and he is told he needs to use the seal of God. This angel prophesies to Solomon that his kingdom will be divided and the Temple will be destroyed until the Son of God comes and is stretched out on the cross.
Chapter 16: Solomon interrogates a demon called Kunopegos, a spirit in the shape of a horse in front and a fish in back (a sea-horse?). He can change himself into a man and causes seasickness. In order to thwart this demon, one must go through a complicated ritual involving bowls and hemp ropes. Solomon sealed him with his ring and stored the demon away in the temple.
Chapter 17: Solomon interrogates a shadowy demon with gleaming eyes. He has no name, he only identifies himself as a “lecherous” demon. He is thwarted if the name of the savior is written on his head.
Chapter 18: Solomon interrogates thirty-six heavenly bodies with heads like formless dogs. Their names are listed with their activity (headaches, sore throats and other physical ailments) and the way to cast them out. This lengthy (and obtuse) listing ends the “interview” section of the book.
As can be seen from this catalog, demons were associated with a wide variety of afflictions, from “perverse acts in the night” to Kourtael, who “sends forth colics into the bowels” (18.13). The interview section of the book is more or less a manual on casting out demons: match an affliction with the demon and then follow the instruction given in the text. This is the sort of thing the Sons of Sceva attempted in Acts 19, although they failed. The Testament also gives evidence of the association of illness and demonic activity.
Summary, I find looking at the texts, many places that oppose the torah we already have.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2022 20:03:59 GMT -5
The Testament of Solomon begins with the story of a demon named Ornias who stole wages from a worker building the Temple and then sucked the thumb of a man’s son, sapping his strength. YES – truth or metaphor – this is what the archon do – sap your strength = sap your will
Solomon interrogates the boy and discovers the demon’s activities. Solomon prays to the Lord for help, and Michael gives him a ring through which he can imprison demons. He gives the ring to the boy and traps the demon.
Correct – and the ring was a Pentagram – Not the star od David
commands the demon to cut stones to help finish the temple YES – truth or metaphor
Gen 50:20 Yes, you yourselves planned evil against me. God planned it for good, in order to bring about what it is this day—to preserve the lives of many people.
Pro 16:4 Adonai works everything out for his own purpose—even the wicked for a day of disaster.
The archon were bothering the people of Israeli = as devils and satanas – ‘other gods’ So God used them to begin the Temple of their doom
Truth or metaphor – God always turns ra into tov – sometimes it just takes a century
Rob" Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, How many archangels are there? The torah only speaks of one? So this scroll is false, not inspired.
ARCHON = first in rank or station 10 heavens – 10 dimensions = 10 Arch-Angels – one for each Jews have 9 – because God’s is first in rank or position on the throne
(google) Who are the seven main archangels? Seven angels or archangels correspond to days of the week: Michael (Sunday), Gabriel (Monday), Uriel (Tuesday), Raphael (Wednesday), Selaphiel (Thursday), Raguel or Jegudiel (Friday), and Barachiel (Saturday).
The BEAST is an archangel – because he was the FIRST of his kind
Rob" Beelzeboul is named in the NT, as the chief demon. The Jews claimed Jesus was working for the chief demon. Correct – the archon-archon – correct belzebul – an ‘other god’ is Jewish satan
So Jesus said if Satan cast out Satan, meaning if Beelzebub cast out Beelzebub, how shall his kingdom stand? Jesus was saying that the demons have a kingdom that is theirs and not a part of God's. Correct – this world is their kingdom – the world of physical creation
Chapter 5: Solomon commands Asmodeus to be brought to him, whom he also questions… Raphael caused him to go away by burning the liver and gall of a sheatfish (a large catfish, cf. Tobit 6:2 for this method of exorcism
Tobit – Jewish text – a pert of the Catholic Bishops Bible – and one of the 14 books removed by Rome
Rob" Another so called archangel named "the name of the archangel Azael" YOUTYAUGHT US that Azazal was the leader of the bane elohiym of Gen 6 Archon – First in order or rank
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 4:23:18 GMT -5
Greetings,
You supply good answers. I will do some research and get back to you.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on May 16, 2022 5:56:41 GMT -5
Irenaeus and his Against Heresies - Catholic Orthodoxy vs the Valentinian Gnostics
CHURCH HISTORY 101 –
Catholics (or those that would found Catholicism) –vrs- everyone else
Irenaeus – DOCTOR of the CATHOLIC CHURCH – vrs- Valentinus Gnostics
POINT – I am not a Valentinus Gnostic – although 3 of his text are within the Nag Hammadi – I never use them – Either they are poorly translated or just to not of interest to me – I stick to James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas
Valentinus Taught – 3 type of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers 3- and the spiritual
CRITICS claim that the Gnostic claim of SPIRITUALITY= special knowledge
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 8:14 … Peter and John: … Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Valentinus Taught – 3 type of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – baptize in water – baptism of John the Baptist 3- and the spiritual – baptized by the Holy Spirit
CATHOLICS ARE NOT PENTECOSTAL!
THE CURCH IS THE AUTHORITY – not the Spirit If you want Communion you need a church and a priest If Christians walked around led by the Spirit – we would have a culture of Christ on earth – and the Church would lose authority and control
Irenaeus fully taught that Jesus was at least 56 years old before he died Irenaeus also fully engaged in the persecution of others as a Roman approved cleric
PS - in the future - please include a time index to your comments This video has a LOT and doesn't even get to the point right away A lot of names and diffent groups mentioned He is proud of his PhD and uses big words - saterical / dry humor - he made me laugh a few times and bord me the rest
BUT - this video is spot on - correct - without bias (a Rabbi that doubts Mount Sini)
DID "CATHOLICS" usurp the Messanic Judaisn Jesus brought to the Jews and Gentiles YES! - is "RELIGION" full of doctrinal myth - YES!
This is exactly why I step away from "Traditional Roman Christendom" and call myself a Gnostic Christian
Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John + Paul + Peter + James and Jude = wrote the Canon agl/NT The Roman version is preserved all nice and polished
James, John, Paul, Pater, Phillip, and Thomas wrote the Gnostic Gospels Rome did everything they could to destroy this information - Most survives in only one hidded library - and obviously weakly translated - with large gaps and there are no other copies to compare with to correct - fill in - or complete the text
Robert - you have invented you own Method - "The Robert Method" Dave's Method = Judaism WEIGHTS it scrolls by value - Moses and the Torah #1 - Major Prophets - Minor Prophets - to the wisdom of their forefathers
AS A CHRISTIAN - I am more interested in the words of James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas MORE THAN - Saint Iraneus - Saint Jerome - Saint Anybody
AND - If I want to really undestand Judaism - I will as a Rabbi from Jersulam before any Christian
Jewish demonology = Belzebul + The shedim = 'other gods' of the Levant This is not just inside Israel – it is all the world – anywhere – everywhere There is only one theology – it is Judeo-Christian in origin – King Solomon
Jewish demonology = all the pagan religion all around the world – other gods – family units – wars among themselves – around 200 with 20 major players – and one top archon Egypt – Canaan – Persia – Middle East - Greece – Rome - Asia Minor – Asia – Europe and spreads everywhere
Jewish demonology is still the theology of the Levant – Allah – and the Jinn
POINT – it was the theology of the time of Jesus Christ – His disciples – His followers – His audience Why wouldn’t James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas write about it? Only different = First century Greek = Archon instead of demon, devils, satanas, beast, shedim, Belzebul, shades, evil spirits, gobblins, ghost, or gouls
POINT – IT IS THAT ANCIENT SERPENT – it is a separate race of beings – reptilian – a concept found everywhere it all paga lore as well as UFology
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 5:11:30 GMT -5
Irenaeus dedicated to defeating Gnosticism...
Received the highest Catholic status for his destruction to Gnostics.
Valentinus and his Gnostic religion
39:21 can't people get right how long Jesus preached before the cross Answer in Daniel, 3 and 1/2 years.
He is over my head, fancy words, and talking without saying anything much
I get the impression Irenaeus is not your guy for history, a Catholic edit person
I get your Roman Edit thing now Dave.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 17, 2022 6:26:39 GMT -5
Irenaeus dedicated to defeating Gnosticism... Received the highest Catholic status for his destruction to Gnostics.
YES – The Catholic had to stop the idea of Pentecost If we are led by the spirit – we have no need for their organized religion
39:21 can't people get right how long Jesus preached before the cross Answer in Daniel, 3 and 1/2 years. 70 weeks – according to Daniel
He is over my head, fancy words, and talking without saying anything much He is speaking plain English – man he says a lot - mountains actually
I get the impression Irenaeus is not your guy for history, a Catholic edit person Irenaeus and others is te definition of Catholic History
I get your Roman Edit thing now Dave.
YES Valentinus taught there are 3 types of Christians 1- the lost 2- believers – only receive the baptism of John – Baptism of water 3- Spiritual – Baptized by the Holy Spirit – First Fruits
Ellen White - Catholics - and you teach 1- the lost 2- believers – only receive the baptism of John – Baptism of water
3- Spiritual – Baptized by the Holy Spirit – First Fruits
100% Catholic teaching – anything to prevent man from his calling
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Post by Dave on May 17, 2022 11:40:57 GMT -5
The False Verse Added to the Bible | The Chronological Gospels
This is such a hot topic in theology right now! More of Rome adjusting scripture to fit their doctrine
John 6:4 only exist the Eramaus Greek = Textus Receptus = KJV It does bt exist in all of the 100s of other copies of John
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