Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:39:44 GMT -5
Hmm? you whitewash the video of Jeff and the idea of deceiving...
God knows all things, the serpent is a creature and hardly knows anything.
The serpent did not know God had a solution for creatures who disobey Him, like humans. So you make up stuff, since you claim man can repent. Assuming the cherub serpent sinned and some cherub repented, than the serpent knows something about God and the sinning creatures make. The serpent didn't die, he had a sort of life in darkness on earth...but he did not die, so really the serpent was repeating an experience he learned already. But living in darkness is hardly a paradise compare to living in Eden, so here the serpent deceives the woman, saying His paradise is better than God's paradise?
You require Ezekiel to finish the story of the serpent. How did the serpent know upon disobey you would not surely die? Nobody had disobeyed before right? according to you?
To me, the serpent had disobeyed before, that why he said what he said.
I quote this reading, it's well written, and I agree with it all:
www.biblestudy.org/basicart/do-we-have-an-immortal-soul.html
Did God create man with an immortal soul? Where is this doctrine found in the Bible?
God made man in his own image, but did not make him immortal or of the same substance that he possesses. Our Creator is composed of spirit and is eternal. Humans were made, however, out of the ground or organic substance that constitutes the earth. Adam only became a "living being" (but not an immortal soul) when God breathed life into him (Genesis 2:7).
The first lie, in the Garden of Eden, the devil wanted Eve to believe revolves around the concept of an immortal soul! Eve stated she was instructed not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or else she would die (Genesis 3:2 - 3).
Satan countered that God was lying and that she would not perish (verse 4)! If humans possessed an immortal part of their existence that lives on after death (they always have a conscious existence), then one has to admit the devil was correct!
If the devil's immortal soul teaching that humans never fully cease to exist upon death was the truth, then God's judgment of Eve would not be righteous!
If humans, however, were not endowed with something that was immortal and conscious after death, then the devil lied to Eve. Her belief, therefore, in his lies constituted a sin and brought upon herself (and Adam) God's righteous judgment.
Here is something else to consider. God's justification for casting Adam and Eve out of the Garden was, "lest he (Adam and Eve) put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" (Genesis 3:22).
If all humans automatically have a soul that is immortal (continues their life forever after death) then God's concern makes no sense! His barring them from the Tree of Life would not make a difference since they would already possess something that would keep them alive into the future!
If, however, Adam and Eve did not possess an immortal soul that allowed them to live forever, then God's concern about them acquiring this ability is justified. He did not want his greatest creation, in a rebellious state of mind, to exist forever in unhappiness and misery.
The Bible unquestionably states that the ability to live forever is a gift from God to those who obey him (1Corinthians 15:50 - 55, 2Timothy 1:9 - 10, Romans 6:23, etc.).
Interestingly, the word "immortal" (with no "soul" attached to it) is not found in the Old Testament, either in our English translations or in the original Hebrew text. It is used, however, once in the New Testament. The word immortal in 1Timothy 1:17 is used to refer to one of God's (not man's) attributes.
The original Greek word from which we get our English word "immortal" is aphthartos (Strong's Concordance #G862). It occurs only six other times (Romans 1:23, 1Corinthians 9:25, 15:52, 1Peter 1:4, 23, 3:4) and is usually translated as 'incorruptible,' meaning something that can never decay or perish, or something that endures.
The attribute of being immortal is never applied in the Bible to anything the average human possesses on planet earth. This is diametrically opposite to the teaching that every human has a soul that continues to live after their physical death.
It was after God brought forth man out of the dirt and gave him life that he became a "living soul" or a 'living being.' The Hebrew nephesh (Strong's #H5315) is the word translated as 'soul' and 'being' in most Bibles. It is used to refer to fish (Genesis 1:20), birds (verse 22), cattle and other animals (verse 24) and of course man (Genesis 2:7).
Human life itself, and not some added immortal spiritual piece, is referred to in the Bible as a soul! Psuche (Strong's #G5590) is a Greek word that is virtually equivalent to the word nephesh in the Hebrew. It is the only New Testament word translated as "soul." It generally means any living, breathing creature that is inherently not immortal.
The Bible defines Man as a living being, life, and so on that is mortal. Man has never had an immortal soul that allows any part of him to live past death. The only means by which a person can live into eternity is to repent of their sins, receive God's spirit, live a life of obedience and then receive it as a gift
End quote" The writer writes my view entirely, who cares what his religious views are...this is written correctly.
You Dave are receiving the lie from the serpent, that we do not surely die, and are deceived.
And I would say this to Jeff Benner too, face to face. The serpent not only deceived the woman, the serpent also lied to the woman, and sinned against God, saying it's OK to sin, because you still can keep on living forever like I do when I sin.
Shalom
God knows all things, the serpent is a creature and hardly knows anything.
The serpent did not know God had a solution for creatures who disobey Him, like humans. So you make up stuff, since you claim man can repent. Assuming the cherub serpent sinned and some cherub repented, than the serpent knows something about God and the sinning creatures make. The serpent didn't die, he had a sort of life in darkness on earth...but he did not die, so really the serpent was repeating an experience he learned already. But living in darkness is hardly a paradise compare to living in Eden, so here the serpent deceives the woman, saying His paradise is better than God's paradise?
You require Ezekiel to finish the story of the serpent. How did the serpent know upon disobey you would not surely die? Nobody had disobeyed before right? according to you?
To me, the serpent had disobeyed before, that why he said what he said.
I quote this reading, it's well written, and I agree with it all:
www.biblestudy.org/basicart/do-we-have-an-immortal-soul.html
Did God create man with an immortal soul? Where is this doctrine found in the Bible?
God made man in his own image, but did not make him immortal or of the same substance that he possesses. Our Creator is composed of spirit and is eternal. Humans were made, however, out of the ground or organic substance that constitutes the earth. Adam only became a "living being" (but not an immortal soul) when God breathed life into him (Genesis 2:7).
The first lie, in the Garden of Eden, the devil wanted Eve to believe revolves around the concept of an immortal soul! Eve stated she was instructed not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or else she would die (Genesis 3:2 - 3).
Satan countered that God was lying and that she would not perish (verse 4)! If humans possessed an immortal part of their existence that lives on after death (they always have a conscious existence), then one has to admit the devil was correct!
If the devil's immortal soul teaching that humans never fully cease to exist upon death was the truth, then God's judgment of Eve would not be righteous!
If humans, however, were not endowed with something that was immortal and conscious after death, then the devil lied to Eve. Her belief, therefore, in his lies constituted a sin and brought upon herself (and Adam) God's righteous judgment.
Here is something else to consider. God's justification for casting Adam and Eve out of the Garden was, "lest he (Adam and Eve) put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" (Genesis 3:22).
If all humans automatically have a soul that is immortal (continues their life forever after death) then God's concern makes no sense! His barring them from the Tree of Life would not make a difference since they would already possess something that would keep them alive into the future!
If, however, Adam and Eve did not possess an immortal soul that allowed them to live forever, then God's concern about them acquiring this ability is justified. He did not want his greatest creation, in a rebellious state of mind, to exist forever in unhappiness and misery.
The Bible unquestionably states that the ability to live forever is a gift from God to those who obey him (1Corinthians 15:50 - 55, 2Timothy 1:9 - 10, Romans 6:23, etc.).
Interestingly, the word "immortal" (with no "soul" attached to it) is not found in the Old Testament, either in our English translations or in the original Hebrew text. It is used, however, once in the New Testament. The word immortal in 1Timothy 1:17 is used to refer to one of God's (not man's) attributes.
The original Greek word from which we get our English word "immortal" is aphthartos (Strong's Concordance #G862). It occurs only six other times (Romans 1:23, 1Corinthians 9:25, 15:52, 1Peter 1:4, 23, 3:4) and is usually translated as 'incorruptible,' meaning something that can never decay or perish, or something that endures.
The attribute of being immortal is never applied in the Bible to anything the average human possesses on planet earth. This is diametrically opposite to the teaching that every human has a soul that continues to live after their physical death.
It was after God brought forth man out of the dirt and gave him life that he became a "living soul" or a 'living being.' The Hebrew nephesh (Strong's #H5315) is the word translated as 'soul' and 'being' in most Bibles. It is used to refer to fish (Genesis 1:20), birds (verse 22), cattle and other animals (verse 24) and of course man (Genesis 2:7).
Human life itself, and not some added immortal spiritual piece, is referred to in the Bible as a soul! Psuche (Strong's #G5590) is a Greek word that is virtually equivalent to the word nephesh in the Hebrew. It is the only New Testament word translated as "soul." It generally means any living, breathing creature that is inherently not immortal.
The Bible defines Man as a living being, life, and so on that is mortal. Man has never had an immortal soul that allows any part of him to live past death. The only means by which a person can live into eternity is to repent of their sins, receive God's spirit, live a life of obedience and then receive it as a gift
End quote" The writer writes my view entirely, who cares what his religious views are...this is written correctly.
You Dave are receiving the lie from the serpent, that we do not surely die, and are deceived.
And I would say this to Jeff Benner too, face to face. The serpent not only deceived the woman, the serpent also lied to the woman, and sinned against God, saying it's OK to sin, because you still can keep on living forever like I do when I sin.
Shalom