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Post by Dave on May 6, 2022 17:03:47 GMT -5
D “So who helps you to be you? – R “Jesus does. Way not to answer – OK – what if you deny Christ – then who helps you be you? If you say God – the HS – or Christ than you are saying love is unrequited R" Word salad, do not follow you? Explain
Explain what? – you gave no answer – how can I comment on what you do not answer?
D"You say each and every man is filled with the HS - that is your deffinition of life R" Brevity word salad, care to unpack what you are saying? Have you forgotton your own teaching here – man is empowered by the Holy Spirit
D"My answers to you will always be the same - there is Only One True God The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God Jesus Christ is God incarnate R" I see, you have only one cardinal Being, that's it. OK can this being exist as two expressions at the same time, (this idea opposes the theory of modalism) one on earth with another in heaven? Robert – look down at your left hand and your right hand – if you seriously that you are three different people – go for it – how can anyone convince the 3 of you
D"Col 1:15 (Christ) who is the image of the invisible God, R" How can Jesus be an image of the Father, I thought your view is Jesus is the Father as an expression, not an image. Christ is the Right Hand of God inside our creation - Christ is the form / image of God within creation Just keep on misrepresenting - you only harm yourself
D"authorities (archon); all things through him, and for him, have been created, R" I don't have a problem saying the Lord created cherubims, Why must you rewrite scripture to fit your Ellen White nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 3:26:43 GMT -5
D"Have you forgotton your own teaching here – man is empowered by the Holy Spirit R" Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Don't you know God allows you to choose your way of faith, and God directs the faith power you choose. You say "man is empowered by the Holy Spirit" yes, but this does not remove you free will to choose how you are developed by God's power you choose, see the verse above.
D"Robert – look down at your left hand and your right hand – if you seriously that you are three different people – go for it – how can anyone convince the 3 of you R" I am happy you consider a single cardinal one strong authority for elohiym. Except this is not so. If such a thing existed, why doesn't the Bible just reference the Most High as eloah, and leave it there? Sure I get the need for SHadday and maybe for Emmanual as Jesus, what I don't get is elohiym, the plural word that means the Father power flows.... flows? and coupled with Eph 3:15, we have the picture of family. I liked you idea of one being with two hands into the crib, so it suggests to me one mode of the Father at a time, maybe possibly two modes at the same time. but again you negate the science meaning of a medium and the principles of a medium.
Arhh well we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Dave on May 7, 2022 7:33:44 GMT -5
I liked you idea of one being with two hands into the crib, so it suggests to me one mode of the Father at a time, maybe possibly two modes at the same time. but again you negate the science meaning of a medium and the principles of a medium.The Left Hand is the medium - the Right Hand is the formYou have proven that you are incapable of understanding science literatureYour 19th century 8th grade science claims impress no oneI will always reject your efforts to promote your pantheon of 4 pagan godsYour Great Controversy of two cosmic gods locked in an internal struggel of tov and ra is 100% pagan zorasterian - from 500BC IranPAGAN ZOROASTERISM(Wiki) Zoroastrianism or Mazdayasna is an Iranian religion and one of the world's oldest organized faiths, based on the teachings of the Iranian-speaking prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zaraθuštra in Avestan or as Zartosht in Persian). It has a dualistic cosmology of good and evil within the framework of a monotheistic ontology and an eschatology which predicts the ultimate conquest of evil by good.[3] Zoroastrianism exalts an uncreated and benevolent deity of wisdom known as Ahura Mazda (lit. 'Lord of Wisdom') as its supreme being Angra Mainyu (/ˈæŋrə ˈmaɪnjuː/; Avestan: Aŋra Mainiiu) is the Avestan-language name of Zoroastrianism's hypostasis of the "destructive/evil spirit" and the main adversary in Zoroastrianism Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu, at which point reality will undergo a cosmic renovation 100% SDA GREAT CONTROVERSY(wiki) The Great Controversy is a book by Ellen G. White, one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and held in esteem as a prophetess or messenger of God among Seventh-day Adventist members. In it, White describes the "Great Controversy theme" between Jesus Christ and Satan, as played out over the millennia from its start in heaven, to its final end when the remnant who are faithful to God will be taken to heaven at the Second Advent of Christ, and the world is destroyed and recreated. Your 19th century 8th grade pagan religion is obvious to everyoneWhat you present is not Judeo-Chrstianityroparna.se/en/the-bahai-faith-and-the-advent-movement/The Baha’i Faith and the Advent MovementTo most people, the Baha’i Faith seems to be a random, independent world religion springing up in the 1840’s. But in fact it is a relic of the Advent Movement in Islam, misguided after the Great Disappointment in 1844. The existence of the Baha’i movement is a testimony to the fact that Muslims on a large scale expected the Second Coming of Christ in the same year as the Christians. It shows a close eschatological connection between the two religions, and adds credibility to the Seventh-Day Adventist claim that God was preparing the whole world for the Second Coming in the early 19th Century. Islamic Bahai Faith is tied to the hip with Miller and the SDA Same math – appeared at the same period as – Miller, Mormons, and Jehovah WitnessWhat you present is not Judeo-Chrstianity
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Post by Richard on May 7, 2022 11:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 17:15:10 GMT -5
Greetings Gentlemen You pose an interesting theory, so I suggest you listen to this video which explains the Great controversy long before ZOROASTERISM, when God took Joseph to Egypt. Here about 30 minutes in you learn the queen loved the YHWH of Moses, while Tutmosis III sided with the gods of Ammon. This controversy is over the pagan polytheism verses the monotheism of elohiym powers Moses understood. In order to fathom the difference, you have to study when it forst occurred in Egypt and how Egypt lied and covered up the tale. youtu.be/7XkGDv7m38w Francois Du Plessis is a very scholarly archaeologist. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 7, 2022 20:22:07 GMT -5
Here about 30 minutes in you learn the queen loved the YHWH of Moses, while Tutmosis III sided with the gods of Ammon. This controversy is over the pagan polytheism verses the monotheism of elohiym powers Moses understood. youtu.be/7XkGDv7m38w
If this was a two way conversation – I would watch your suggested video You won’t even pretend you have watched my suggested videos and deny them in disbelief because they might use the wrong vocabulary
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 4:07:34 GMT -5
D" If this was a two way conversation – I would watch your suggested video You won’t even pretend you have watched my suggested videos and deny them in disbelief because they might use the wrong vocabulary R" Don't watch the video than, your choice. Francois Du Plessis is a SDA scholar, who shows that in the past God raised up processes to show Himself to pagan nations, and challenge their polytheistic ways. Joseph brought a nation of Hebrews to Egypt and was the first nation to swap to the YHWH worship with a monotheism contrasting the Egyptian gods idea. God might have done a similar than in Persian long after Egypt, this time via ZOROASTERISM, and you all mock God's attempt in presenting correctly His view of things. Try this one instead, on the third temple for the Jews by Vieth youtu.be/Y-aLIL4qMIMTHE THIRD TEMPLE - Prof. WALTER VEITH 2019 Jewish leaders met with Pope Francis over that "they did not kill jesus" interplay between these two religious systems asked to join in radical Islam... new barbarism 6:11 Pope Francis at the Wailing wall in prayer Dr Venema Reformed position was :- Israel place within God's redemptiive pupose? After Holocaust, anti semitism over theological issues 10:00 premillennial dispensationalism is current today? kingdom set up is for Jews? 17 minutes is I get the impression Veith is talking about some who are wanting the Jews to play a part on the Western christian religion during the end times. Certainly Messanic Jews see the third temple as a fulfilment of the Messiah and His role with Israel. The question remains how much of a role does Israel play with Messanic CHrsitianity today? This seems to be what Veith is discussing? The Israel of God, Palmer Robertson. One body made up of Jews and Gentiles, who support Jesus Christ. Veith like this idea from this book You get in trouble if you maintain reformed view. There seems to be a new thinking... A future temple erected in a literal Israel, and a messiah with rule in the temple for 3 years. 29:11 Veith quote a harsh SDA quote on the Jews.... as a nation, but not for individuals. 36: One day the third temple will come with a public messiah who begins the new millinia. However this idea proposed is false. Comment on Veith and his respect for Jews and Catholics.... And for Jesus Christ. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 8, 2022 5:10:40 GMT -5
D" If this was a two way conversation – I would watch your suggested video R" Don't watch the video than, your choice. Your choice if it a two way conversation or not
Francois Du Plessis is a SDA scholar, who shows that in the past God raised up processes to show Himself to pagan nations, and challenge their polytheistic ways. Joseph brought a nation of Hebrews to Egypt and was the first nation to swap to the YHWH worship with a monotheism contrasting the Egyptian gods idea.
DUH – and DUH some more Every Jewish child learns that God led tIsreal out of Egypt to prove that The God of Israel is the One True God – all the other gods are false gods
The theme plays out over and over throughout the ahl/OT It is not a validation of the SDA Great Controversy
So as you want, this discussion is closed. What discussion – you ask questions and but refuse to answer questions
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 15:38:10 GMT -5
Rp "So as you want, this discussion is closed. D" What discussion – you ask questions and but refuse to answer questions
Rob " I edited and removed an earlier remark "So as you want, this discussion is closed." So how did you get this? It was deleted by me...?
I do answer your questions fairly and according to how I read Hebrew Scripture.
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Post by Dave on May 8, 2022 18:39:06 GMT -5
D" What discussion – you ask questions and but refuse to answer questionsI do answer your questions fairly and according to how I read Hebrew Scripture. Sure you do D" What discussion – you ask questions and but refuse to answer questionsI do answer your questions fairly and according to how I read Hebrew Scripture. Sure you doMore of Roberts academic honesty and credibility
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Post by Dillon on May 9, 2022 7:29:45 GMT -5
D" What discussion – you ask questions and but refuse to answer questionsI do answer your questions fairly and according to how I read Hebrew Scripture. I watched and enjoyed all of your videos. Excellent background information. As I said, I have heard most of those stories before, but I never knew their origin. I don’t think you understand Robert’s position, Dave. You already know that Robert cannot be objective. Robert has been an SDA for too long. If he was objective, it would mean admitting that he has been wrong most of his life. Most men are unable to admit that to themselves let alone others. Don’t you hear the nature of his arguments. He does not care about the truth, he only wants to be right.
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Post by Dave on May 9, 2022 10:02:14 GMT -5
You already know that Robert cannot be objective.
I have been trying to challenge Robert to up his game. To be more academic – to be more honest. He needs to admit that he has a reading comprehension problem. When I quote texts to him, he clearly does not understand its content. Secondly, he – as with many Christians – read scripture one verse at a time.
Ellen White strung a collection of her favorite verse together and you have the SDA denomination Russell strung a different collection of verse together and you have Jehovah’s Witness Sting a different collection of verses together and you have evangelicals, Baptist, Pentecostals, or whatever you want
I have taken classes at seminary. I have studied different Christian authors, - none of them know their whole Bible as well as my local Rabbi. Chuck Missler has been my biggest Christian influence and I almost took his home program for my family.
I have worked knee deep in a science intensive field – I absolute stand by the fact – there is Only True God and all of it happened His Way – His Plan – His Will – the absolute Intelligent Designer.
A Jew looks at the world and praises God for it If an obstacle appears before the Jews – they see it as some challenge God has for them to overcome – a testing of his faith
Robert denies it all – the Intelligent Designer for Robert = satan Because all man can see is FALLEN - = Fallen Angel doctrine
For Robert - the intelligent design that scientist are now talking about is a result of his satan All of God design was changed by satan when satan forced Eve to sin It was satan that duped Eve – it is all satan’s fault – satan sinned first Why do sharks act as the predators of the oceans – Robert says it is because they are evil Why do crabs act as the scavengers of the ocean – Robert says it is because they are evil Why do Bacteria cause bread to rise – Robert says it is because they are evil How can bacteria change spoilable grape juice into long lasting and more nutritious wine Satan change all of God tov creation – it is all satan’s fault that this world is FALLEN
Robert is a disciple – he just gives all his praise to the wrong god
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 16:31:21 GMT -5
D"Sure you do
youtu.be/CamYtVpoTNk The Satan and Demons
OK I watched this, goes for 6 minutes, nice and short, covers a lot of ground.
What is your discussion of this movie? And also include, how much does the movie support your view, cause some aspects I reckon don't.
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Post by Dave on May 9, 2022 22:44:46 GMT -5
More of Robert’s games play – you are not endearing yourself to anyoneGrow up or be gone – this is supposed to be an intelligent discussion We are discussing My Lord and His word – take it seriously First I said to youWhat a great place to start - the rise and fall of King Solomonyoutu.be/CCsZFQtnoaUSolomon's Downfall [Testament of Solomon] (Angels & Demons Explained) It is impossible to discuss Jewish theology if you have no idea what you are talking about.You go on and on that the Jews do not understand their own theology, scripture, or language But you refuse to know what Jewish theology even says You just speak in ignorance Why does Jewish theology scare you dso much – why are you afraid of it – you avoid direct information as much as possible Christianity is built upon Jewish theology – just how solid is your foundation? Then I asked you a direct favorFavor – stop and discuss this – there are things in here you will say support you I will say it all supports me The Satan and Demons Question and Response – BibleProject 46:47 min WOW – what an intelligent discussion! This presentation is very Jewish and very Gnostic and 100% Christian This video – is the Q&A of their video I posted to Jewish Demonology The Satan and Demons 6:19 min YOUR ENTIRE RESPONSE =youtu.be/CamYtVpoTNk The Satan and DemonsOK I watched this, goes for 6 minutes, nice and short, covers a lot of ground. NOT WHAT I ASKED OF YOUWhat is your discussion of this movie? And also include, how much does the movie support your view, cause some aspects I reckon don't. Already answered posted 8 days ago
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 0:17:17 GMT -5
D"NOT WHAT I ASKED OF YOU R" Oh I am sorry but you did list a huge pile of videos, what was I supposed to watch? How about placing one video at a time and let's discuss that. One you are happy to support. I will go first. youtu.be/enk9sU5WLY0I suggest you watch this. I love this person and will dedicate my retirement years to his work. He died in Federal Prison just because he was doing research. He found a way to quantify the life forces of the heavenly Father. I have just purchased the "electronic/electrical" Meter, and hope to soon begin some experiments of my own. Now this video is a life story, goes for 35 minutes or so, but He was a lovely science person. Notice I give you one video to watch, and I have my discussions already here. Nothing controversial, just pure science stuff into the unknown forces of our heavenly Father. SHalom
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