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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 16:42:02 GMT -5
D" so all the animals and men are what – just an illusion – we are not alive this is your teaching? R" Energy is not an illusion Dave, once you empower matter with energy is becomes alive. Duh
You liked my term "nefesh verb (energised) and nefesh noun (living energy). You agree with this at a subatomic level, whatever that means, so stop arguing with me.....
D" God is not of matter – you teach him as biology – heart cells all working together R" I made a natural science simile (rom 1:20) which we are required to do, by Scripture. Duh Does not mean its the same as..... its a simile...duh.
God is not biology either. However similes do show us a hint of functions we understand.
Rp "You play word games, hijacking the term "ruwach" to mean something it doesn't mean. Too many people are confused with the term "spirit", D" YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELF VERY CLEAR – YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE R" No you contend to play with a word meaning that does not exist. You and the whole world play such word games.
The word ruwach means medium, for every context, and a medium does not exist as a thing, its a function over two or more media. Yet you refuse to study the natural science, simile (rom 1:20) which we are required to do, by Scripture.
Wind is a medium thing, only the media exists, not the medium which functions, yes we feel the wind, but the wind on it's own doesn't exist. The effect is called a medium.
D" But ask how can you get more faith R" I ask you of this because your "belief" word has no understanding of "amanuah" the Hebrew word you pretend to understand.
D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah – Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Both of you do, the Man chooses his way and the Lord directs the steps to get there.
D" Inside of man is empty according to you – only the HS R" Inside the atoms is empty space too, but does not mean the atom is devoid of character, personality or functions unique to the atom. You make silly notions Dave.
D"You claimed than Rom 5:19 meant that satan rules man
R" Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many " established to be ruled" as sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be "established to be ruled" as righteous.
Yes the Creature-opposer wants humans to sin more. The Divine-opposer want humans to sin less.
Notice I label them both as opposers, because they oppose each other over this kind called human.
Why ? Because the creature-opposer wants to live also a life of sinning.
That is what Romans 5:19 is saying, yes.
Neither the Divine-opposer NOR the creature-opposer have Names to label them, They are both in a war over the nature of sin. Last night God gave me a dream, and I woke at 2 am to write it down before I forget it.
In your body all the cells give up their free will to work as a community of cells called compound unity. Those cells that work under functional roles are called organs. The heart is a good example of echad cells of pumping blood as one entity. If a cell decided to miss being united and do its on independent thing, we term this a cancer cell. The cell becomes an opposer of the community and other white cells seek them out to destroy them. In order to function with GOD in His community we have to abandon voluntary our free will and choose to remain under the influence and power of amanuah in Jesus forever. If we dare go to heaven with our free will intact and choose to miss powers of Jesus, we are cancerous to Jesus and immediately we are sought out and cease to exist. In the heavenly community, I get the impression nobody can be truly independent from GOD, who is also a community of divine personalities who are never independent either. Therefore your notion of pagan multiple strong authorities is rubbish. The divine members are not independent, and are always dependent on each other in love and being loved. So if you want to be saved by Jesus you have to surrender your free will to Him, allow it to die, and every day you walk in His powers by faith. You become His property and His possession and you become a little clone of Jesus. And thus you become In Jesus compound unity, as the divine members of elohiym are also compound unity. Any cancer, independent, do your own thing, live by your own rules, is not allowed in the Kingdom of God.
D"why do you say your satan rule the HS? R" The medium cannot be ruled by the Father of truth or by the father of lies, the medium is just a passive conduit for the flow of each media flowing through it. It has to be this way otherwise the contest is not fair to both sides,, and the RA is allowed to exist (when normally the Father would immediately burn all RA up under the intense burning of His glory). Only a medium can make things appear than normally do not naturally appear. Medium make images bigger, smaller or even virtual, when we look into the medium.
Thus the devil can make a flow of RA as He likes and get away with it for a probation. This is how a fair contest works. This is why there was a war in heaven, over the cancer of sin.
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Post by Dave on Apr 16, 2022 20:19:30 GMT -5
R" Energy is not an illusion Dave, once you empower matter with energy is becomes alive. Duh CONFUSED – so you do teach rocks and trees have a consciousness that yearns to be redeemed
You agree with this at a subatomic level, whatever that means, so stop arguing with me..... YES I agree that E = mc2 (all our reality) I do not deny it – on the sub-atomic scale Judaism is pantheistic – all is God
D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah – Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. Your heart is a piece of biology – it returns to the dust when you die a mortal death Your brain is biology – it returns to the dust when you die a mortal death
Why will you not answer my question – I have been asking it of you since the very beginning D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah –
Both of you do, the Man chooses his way and the Lord directs the steps to get there. WHO IS YOU – WHO IS THE MAN It is not heart or brain – what is it You only answer to ever is – we are driven around by the HS So man chooses to be evil – murder and rape as a good Russian soldier – and the Lord directs the steps to get there.
Why do you teach that the Lord is to doer of evil – I thought your God does no ra?
D" Inside of man is empty according to you – only the HS R" Inside the atoms is empty space too, but does not mean the atom is devoid of character, personality THERE – you do teach that atoms – rocks – and tress have a consciousness yearning to be saved
Were you not honest when you said you deny this teaching Or are you not honest as you continue to teach it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 14:46:38 GMT -5
D" Why will you not answer my question – I have been asking it of you since the very beginning D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah – R" A trillion cells in your frontal lobe, the cognitive centre of the brain in man, make the choices. Why are you asking this? Scripture speaks of organs like heart and kidneys...not sure why....no Hebrew word for the brain. (see my study below) D" WHO IS YOU – WHO IS THE MAN It is not heart or brain – what is it R" Why can't it be the brain or heart? If you remove the cognitive centre from the person, does he remember who he is? D"So man chooses to be evil – murder and rape as a good Russian soldier – and the Lord directs the steps to get there. R" You are funny. For you yes, you follow no royal torah, for me no, I must guard the royal torah as prayer promised of faith I use when tempted with this. You do not understand what faith is for or how faith is used by the person supporting God?
D"Why do you teach that the Lord is to doer of evil – I thought your God does no ra? R" Mock on, I never said that.
D"THERE – you do teach that atoms – rocks – and tress have a consciousness yearning to be saved
R" Mock on, I never said that.
D"Were you not honest when you said you deny this teaching Or are you not honest as you continue to teach it R" Mock on, I never said that. You twist and make confusion. ---------------------------------------
A study of machashabah Jeff Benner says the word means to design
Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually
Here the heart designs using yester RA every day.
1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.
Interesting here Solomon has the Hebrew word LABAB, Sadly Jeff Benner has no difference between LAB and LABAB.
Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.
Interesting.
Job 5:12 GOD breaks up the designing of the ARUWM, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.
I get the impression here GOD limited the serpent's ability and broke up his designing of twisting, to limit his doing of RA on humans.
Ps 56:5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil.
HUmans design RA against GOD, and GOD opposes this.
Ps 92:5 O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
The designing of God is very deep !!
Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
Wicked humans design RA and run with genetic propensities (aven). This is the DNA, inherits your actions via epi-genetics, termed in Hebrew "aven".
R" summary. Interesting word machashabah , the design implies the twisting and weaving of actions into and over the other actions, making a fabric. A simile of the DNA, which is like a design. And makes fabric of protein.
Therefore one could surmise the DNA may be the thinking centre of you, that makes you "you". The heart, both LAB and LABAB may be special centres where the design of the DNA is written in protein memories of you.
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Post by Dave on Apr 17, 2022 16:06:29 GMT -5
D" Why will you not answer my question – I have been asking it of you since the very beginning D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah – R" A trillion cells in your frontal lobe, the cognitive centre of the brain in man, make the choices. YES – you have made yourself clear – you only preach WORLD and biology – you deny the spiritPsa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Brain work – thoughts – intelligence – expertise = all return to the dust What part of man – returns to God – you claim it is only the HSWhy are you asking this? Scripture speaks of organs like heart and kidneys...not sure why....no Hebrew word for the brain. YES – you have made yourself clear – you only preach WORLD and biology – you deny the spiritD" WHO IS YOU – WHO IS THE MANIt is not heart or brain – what is it R" Why can't it be the brain or heart? If you remove the cognitive centre from the person, does he remember who he is?What is the cognitive centre?Therefore one could surmise the DNA may be the thinking centre of you, that makes you "you".It is not the brain – it is not the heart – and it is not your finger – because all of that perishes into dust What is the cognitive centre? - You claim it is the HS - D"So man chooses to be evil – murder and rape as a good Russian soldier – and the Lord directs the steps to get there. R" You are funny. THIS IS YOUR TEACHING D" Who makes your choices – who inside you choose to sin or do mitzvah – Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps. Both of you do, the Man chooses his way and the Lord directs the steps to get there. DO YOU MEAN - WHAT YOU SAY - OR NOT?D"Why do you teach that the Lord is to doer of evil – I thought your God does no ra? R" Mock on, I never said that.The HS empowers everyone good and bad – you proof they are all alive When man does a mitzvah – you say - the Lord directs the steps to get there. Who empowers you to do chata? – you say - the Lord directs the steps to get there.D"THERE – you do teach that atoms – rocks – and tress have a consciousness yearning to be saved R" Mock on, I never said that.D" Inside of man is empty according to you – only the HS R" Inside the atoms is empty space too, but does not mean the atom is devoid of character, personality or functions unique to the atom. You make silly notions Dave. You teach that atom and rock all have a consciousness – a spirit – which is only the HSRepeat D"Were you not honest when you said you deny this teaching Or are you not honest as you continue to teach it
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Post by Dillon on Apr 17, 2022 18:58:15 GMT -5
R" summary. Interesting word machashabah , the design implies the twisting and weaving of actions into and over the other actions, making a fabric. A simile of the DNA, which is like a design. And makes fabric of protein. Therefore one could surmise the DNA may be the thinking centre of you, that makes you "you". The heart, both LAB and LABAB may be special centres where the design of the DNA is written in protein memories of you. ---------------------- Finally, something I can speak to: This idea made its rounds on the college campuses all through the 1980s. DNA is the only intelligent life. DNA formed the cell around itself for protection. DNA used the cell around it to reproduce. DNA continued to selectively mutate, or change, to make bigger and more successful animals to carry the DNA around. Finally DNA made man, the only creature capable of exporting DNA to another planet. Survival of the species, spread and conquer, dominate the environment. | The Eighth Day of Creation is a richly detailed account of how molecular biologists came to understand the fundamental processes of life - in short, how they explained heredity. It is one of the century's most celebrated works of science writing. |
It is a complete work of evolutionist and the evolution movement to replace God on campus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 5:07:08 GMT -5
Greetings Dillon
You write " DNA continued to selectively mutate, or change, to make bigger and more successful animals to carry the DNA around.
R" There is no example anywhere of DNA writing itself to an uphill manner.
(Meaning the DNA increases in complexity to add more information, for processes, proteins, appendages and so faorth)
Evolution only takes the DNA on a downhill direction.
( Meaning spoils the information stored, or causes a loss of information)
What is very clear from Scripture, the Hebrew word "aven" is genetic word, so it could be the DNA that stores everything about you.
Greetings Dave
D" It is not the brain – it is not the heart – and it is not your finger – because all of that perishes into dust
R" Why are you fearful all the information that makes you as "you" will be lost upon your mortal death? Doesn't the HS know all things about you, and the HS returns to GOD when you die, taking all the information about you as well.
Personally Dave I don't see the need for your immortal spirit, when the namashah developed in partnership with GOD as we remain alive, does all the same things.
Only you entertain extra things after you die, where as Scripture plainly states you thoughts end the very day you die. You ignore Scripture on this.
Ps 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. (KJV)
Rp "Inside the atoms is empty space too, but does not mean the atom is devoid of character, personality or functions unique to the atom. You make silly notions Dave.
D" You teach that atom and rock all have a consciousness – a spirit – which is only the HS
R" You miss understood my sentence "devoid of character" Atoms are nonliving, so do not have a conscious. Why would you entertain that idea?
Atoms have chemical character, physical character, but not spiritual character. I used to make similes of the metals and nonmetals to help natives learn easier, so the elements have personality groups, the halogens, the alkali group, etc. I also used valency as a simile of bride price.
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Post by Dave on Apr 18, 2022 5:39:52 GMT -5
You write " DNA continued to selectively mutate, or change, to make bigger and more successful animals to carry the DNA around. Correction – it is the premise of the bookR" There is no example anywhere of DNA writing itself to an uphill manner.WHAT THE HELL is the upward development of the KINDS after the floodThe extent of your double standards is AMAZING!---------------------- D" You teach that atom and rock all have a consciousness – a spirit – which is only the HS R" You miss understood my sentence "devoid of character" Atoms are nonliving, so do not have a conscious. Why would you entertain that idea? WHAT - Rocks and atom are empowered by the HS – or they would not be alive - they would stop to exist if the HS was withheld – just like ants – cows – and man Atoms have chemical character, physical character, but not spiritual character. WHAT IS SPIRITUAL NATURE – you deny the spirit DEFINE YOUR TERMS – you argue against your own teaching hereWhich means you do not beklieve what you post or you do not know what you believe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 15:49:34 GMT -5
D"WHAT THE HELL is the upward development of the KINDS after the flood The extent of your double standards is AMAZING! R" I suggest you watch the videos by John Sanford, the DNA expert on this. What you are talking about is speciation or micro-evolution, in natural science terms, which is a Creation Science idea.
The ability for a kind to develop new sizes and such things are within the DNA design already. The DNA was given the ability to change by GOD, since He knew things might change when Adam's sinned, and thus made the DNA able to cope with these changes, all within limits for each kind. You ignore the meaning of the Hebrew kind, so you do not understand my thinking at all.
There is no evidence of one kind of creature evolving into another kind of creature.
There was within God's design of each DNA for all canine to change to dogs, wolves and possible foxes? Not sure about foxes? The term uphill refers to adding more geneotype within the DNA, this does not happen. You seem to refer to uphill as changes to phenotype??
A different activation of genes causes the outside phenotype to change. But the geneotype is still the same as before.
Only the outside of the animal changes, also it's actions and behaviours within the limits of the DNA coding.'
Another aspect of the world we live in is mutation and spoiling of the DNA by natural means, this causes a loss of DNA information causes a downhill loss of DNA code. This can explain the loss of animal species from relating sexually to their animal kinds. SO the wolves no longer can breed with dogs, the foxes have too many chromosomes relative to the dogs, etc. The koala bear cannot mate with the brown bear, but probably did one before the DNA code got damaged. The same applies to the panda bear, and the grizzly bear. Not all species in the kind of bears , relate sexually to one another anymore. This is common today.
D"WHAT IS SPIRITUAL NATURE – you deny the spirit R" This refers to the ability to love and be loved, to provide love and respond to love, to enter into the community of loving members and talk, walk and eat together with feelings of joy.
Rocks cannot experience this.
Lower animals sort of experience this to an extent, and one day we will be able to speak to these animals and discover their spiritual joys also.
Plants also have the ability to commune with humans also, but this was lost when Adam sinned. Just a hunch of mine. Pineal gland.
But mankind has the greatest ability to love and be loved, as we were specially made in God's image, and our character of love developed is recorded by GOD, we become unique in this sense, we develop ourselves according the the faith promises we choose to develop, and thus because unique citizens of heaven. --------------------------
You asked what part of you is the cognitive part? The frontal lobe of the brain
You asked where is you developed? That is a mystery, I suspect every cell within the DNA records all your memories and all your insights, so this marvelous designed molecule has the ability to record and pass on some of that character unto the next seed. The Hebrew word "aven" is a genetic word, meaning potential or "propensity" within you, as science suggests from genes or epi-genetics. The cognitive frontal lobe where reasoning occurs often fights your inherited DNA recordings from your ancestor lineage, so this is referred to the "carnal nature" or the "flesh" you are born with. Such encoded DNA memories are very difficult to fight with, and often you become controlled by your own "DNA embedded in your flesh".
The only way to overcome the DNA influence to make the mind (frontal lobe) choose yester ra, is to choose special words of promised power by faith and return them in prayer to the Lord who hears your humble seeking of Him for this need and empowered you as you ask. This is what seeking God in faith means. Surrender is simply the process of pressing unto God and using His powers via faith. Thus we live in the divine powers of God, rather than live under our own natural DNA propensities.
Hope this makes sense to you. Enjoy your day in the Lord.
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 4:49:28 GMT -5
D"WHAT THE HELL is the upward development of the KINDS after the flood R" I suggest you watch the videos by John Sanford, the DNA expert on this. NOT INTERESTED IN THE FAKE SCIENCE OF CREATIONIST I’ll stick with what can be measured and stand peer review
The ability for a kind to develop new sizes and such things are within the DNA design already. There is no evidence of one kind of creature evolving into another kind of creature. Except you say baby raccoons turned into polar bears and a marsupial Kolar bear
Where are you intermediary species Show me a ½ marsupial kolar bear and an polar bear Or any of the species between Hippos and horses
NOT INTERESTED IN THE FAKE SCIENCE OF CREATIONIST I’ll stick with what can be measured and stand peer review
D"WHAT IS SPIRITUAL NATURE – you deny the spirit R" This refers to the ability to love and be loved, to provide love and respond to love, to enter into the community of loving members and talk, walk and eat together with feelings of joy. Rocks cannot experience this.
Why not? There is no difference between a rock - a tree – an ant – a cow – or a man Just matter empowered by the HS
But mankind has the greatest ability to love and be loved, as we were specially made in God's image, God is spirit – you deny your own teaching
and our character of love developed is recorded by GOD, You have moved away from memory – now you say your character is recorded What is your character – is it blood – is it brain – is it just biological DNA
You asked what part of you is the cognitive part? The frontal lobe of the brain You asked where is you developed? That is a mystery, I suspect every cell within the DNA records all your memories and all your insights All you preach is biology – all you can see is world
YET you refer to the spiritual nature within man NOT INTERESTED IN THE FAKE SCIENCE OF CREATIONIST
Man is a spiritual creature having a physical souljourn From God we came and to God we return – it is the teaching of the ahl – it is the teaching of the Jews – it is the teaching of Messianic Judaism – it is the teaching of Mainstream Christianity – it is the teaching Gnostic Christianity
You – Ellen White – and the SDA have a different religion – a Fallen Angel Religion
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 15:18:40 GMT -5
D"Except you say baby raccoons turned into polar bears and a marsupial Kolar bear R" you might be right, I stand corrected. Marsupial is a different kind to a brown bear. As for John Sanford, his work has undergone peer review, no body disagrees with him. He also invented the gene gun, used to make GMO today. He used to be athiest, now a Christian because of genetics.
D"Just matter empowered by the HS R" You agree with me on a subatomic level, so why mock?
D"God is spirit – you deny your own teaching R" I have never said "god is spirit" you did? Can't you post serious discussion?
When people say "God is a spirit" they make God no longer exist....
mediums do not exist (as a thing of being), but a media does (as a thing of being).
A medium is a functional process between media, and media does exist (as a thing of being).
You do not understand me, so I will stop now. Learn some natural science terms about mediums.
For example when a witch-medium calls up a ghost, does the ghost exist? No, but the media associated with the deception does, and they talk and walk the ghost image about. D"You have moved away from memory – now you say your character is recorded What is your character – is it blood – is it brain – is it just biological DNA R" character is a relationship concept. The way you developed love between yourself and GOD is recorded as your character. You cannot develop character apart from GOD, even the wicked person develops character with a stronger authority than the human alone, hence why GOD or the Opposer of GOD is ruling over the human.
D"All you preach is biology – R" Biology is a special arrangement of matter, and matter comes from GOD. Everything comes from GOD, so why do you mock God's designing of things.
Biology is just matter. It's the divine code inside the biology that matters, its information, letters, like inside the Bible itself. The Bible is just matter and black ink, making shapes of letters called code.
The code is divine, the message that is recorded and written in humans by GOD. And you mock me saying this is a small matter? Can't you see the significance of the holy letters of the words within us?
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
There were two ways this words came within us. 1) First Jesus wrote how to live within the biology. When Adam sinned that code became corrupted by the opposer of God, so our code is damaged , is there a Bible text for this idea? yes
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
SO the holy words are damaged because of mischief.
2) Second the words of how to live came within person, with a second copy of the orginal holy words within Him, as well as being born with the corrupted version of the words within him, so Jesus died to replace one set of words with another set of words, so you could live "restored" (chadesh) NOT brand new body as you claim. The Holy Words within us that tell us how to live forever, are "restored". SO yes biology is not the big thing, restoring the holy words of life within us, is the big thing. Not a single letter must be added to or deleted from the DNA letters of code. Until we receive this code completed perfectly in us, we claim the powers from that code by speaking in faith the words of the living code who died for us.
D" a Fallen Angel Religion R" we do not have a fallen angel religion, we have an origin of sinning. Your GNostic books do not have an origin of sinning.
The only thing God opposes is sinning, not His creatures.
Your Gnostic writings have nothing opposing anything, so you do not have any themes of sin at all.
Only a free will thing where you expect God who created both ra and tov do demand from man He chooses Tov over the RA in him. WHere does your RA come from deep within the man? I have a Hebrew word for this? DO you?
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Post by Dave on Apr 19, 2022 16:58:39 GMT -5
D"Except you say baby raccoons turned into polar bears and a marsupial Kolar bear R" you might be right, I stand corrected. ONE ERROR and it is all garbage – your rule!
As for John Sanford, his work has undergone peer review, no body disagrees with him. If no one has disagreed with him then he has never stood peer review Einstein can nott even make your absurd claim
He used to be athiest, now a Christian because of genetics. AS I have said here many times before – there are no geneticist that accept evolution
D"Just matter empowered by the HS R" You agree with me on a subatomic level, so why mock? E=mc2 – YES – on the sub atomic scale all is God – DUH But the topic of discussion = spirit
D"God is spirit – you deny your own teaching R" I have never said "god is spirit" you did? Can't you post serious discussion? When people say "God is a spirit" they make God no longer exist....
Correct – you deny scripture Gnostic John and the agl/NT is wrong again according to you and Ellen White How can Ellen White be a prophet of the Lord and contradict scripture? Why do you abd Ellen White and all your SDA buddies deny scripture?
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.' Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
You do not understand me, so I will stop now. Learn some natural science terms about mediums. I understand that you deny scripture and you deny the spirit
For example when a witch-medium calls up a ghost, does the ghost exist? No, but the media associated with the deception does, and they talk and walk the ghost image about. A ghost is the spirit of a dead person – NO SUCH THING ON EARTH When a medium call is any spirit – it is always an archon pretending / impersonating
What is your character – is it blood – is it brain – is it just biological DNA R" character is a relationship concept. The way you developed love between yourself and GOD WHO IS YOURSELF
D" a Fallen Angel Religion R" we do not have a fallen angel religion, we have an origin of sinning. You mean you have someone else to blame your sin upon It was not Eve’s fault – the devil made her do it – your satan ruled her to do it
Your GNostic books do not have an origin of sinning. Why do you, Ellen White, and your SDA buddies deny scripture – the word of God
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
It says one man – one human being – and that was Eve
Your Gnostic writings have nothing opposing anything, so you do not have any themes of sin at all. Why do you deny scripture –
Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down—the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world.
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
The Hypostasis of the Archons - NHL Moreover, they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit.
Only a free will thing where you expect God who created both ra and tov do demand from man He chooses Tov over the RA in him. WHere does your RA come from deep within the man?
Why do you, Ellen White, and your SDA buddies deny scripture – the word of God
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
All was created through Him and for Him – even the authorities (archon)
Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things.
Pro 16:4 Adonai works everything out for his own purpose—even the wicked for a day of disaster.
Rev 4:11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, For You created all things, and because of Your will they existed and were created!”
WHere does your RA (yester ra) come from deep within the man?
Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.”
It is the biological commandment for self-preservation and the survival of the species
You, Ellen White, and your SDA buddies consider it a sin and evil to obey God All you teach is satan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 15:32:10 GMT -5
D"ONE ERROR and it is all garbage – your rule! R" I didn't make a mistake in the theory of kinds, only the possibility that the koala bear may not the in the same kind as the brown bear.
D"Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” R" Fancy a translator scholar as yourself willing to quote a translation error? The word {is} is supplied.
[the] spirit (of) elohiym, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
I notice the Greek writes pneumia O theos, not the theos O pneumia? Does this make a difference?
D"I understand that you deny scripture and you deny the spirit R" Well it should be easy for you to supply me with texts that say mankind has his own independent spirit within him. But you can't do this. You twist playing a word game with pneumia or ruwach, that means "medium". --------------------------------------------------
Robs writes the same thing as Dave writes, but Dave doesn't see this"
ROb" For example when a witch-medium calls up a ghost, does the ghost exist? No, but the media associated with the deception does, and they talk and walk the ghost image about.
Dave" A ghost is the spirit of a dead person – NO SUCH THING ON EARTH When a medium call is any spirit – it is always an archon pretending / impersonating Rob clarifies: Except you term it a archon, I term it a fallen angel.
D"WHO IS YOURSELF R" brevity Dave, care to explain yourself?
D"You mean you have someone else to blame your sin upon R" cop out Dave. We have an origin of sinning, you don't. That is a big deal. Stop changing the theme. Nobody can blame your own sins on som other agent. God supplies all your needs for victory.
D"Why do you, Ellen White, and your SDA buddies deny scripture – the word of God
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
It says one man – one human being – and that was Eve R" The verse says Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin-offering entered into the world, and death through sin-offering; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned.
HUmans are the first beings to have their sinnings confessed unto a sin-offering who takes away our sinnings.
Humans are not the first creatures to have sinned. These creatures had no sin-offerings offered to them, and they could repent if they wanted to and many did, but also many did not. These sinning creatures were angels.
The reason why humans cannot repent after they sinned, is because the mischief maker did mischief to the womb of creation, affecting the procreation of humans. The sinning angels were already existing in huge numbers so they did not have the same processes in their sinning as humans have.
Translate the Greek in ROmans 5:12 back to Hebrew and you will see clearly. The word here is "chataah".
As Jeff points out it means "error" or better, the packaging of confessed sins unto a sin-bearer.
D"Why do you deny scripture – Gen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. R" Funny here the verse you quote, says God opposes the seed of the Serpent and the seed of the woman, between the Serpent's Seed and the woman's seed. Notice the verses says GOD opposes the sinning, and limits the damaged seed (future humans)
D" All was created through Him and for Him – even the authorities (archon) R" All things, including the free will, but God never created the sinning, that free will can choose.
D"It is the biological commandment for self-preservation and the survival of the species R" so you admit to using the Hebrew word "Aven"
No need for self preservation in a perfect word Dave?
Funny you mock me about all things biology and you have RA embedded deep inside the biology...go figure?
Like I said you have no origin of sinning. To you the RA is only self-preservation, to you the RA was created there inside our biology intentionally by GOD.
I cannot agree with this idea. We were made perfect without a single ra propensity within us. The ra came from when the serpent tricked Adam into sinning, and so GOD cursed our creation with more RA affects, again from the flow of sinning. Adam made a foolish choice, a choice that cost mankind dearly.
Funny you ignore the TWO trees in the garden and my picture of the ARUWM serpent, who is a twist head symbol of the Tree in the Garden,, from previous posts. Adam could not repent and return to the Lord after his disobedience, while God could accept the forgiveness it wasn't enough to atone for his sin? Have you ever considered why that is so?
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This is the only application of losing one's eternal living in Scripture, you also ignore.
When Adam sinning mischief happened, so Adam could not repent and live with God's forgiveness, something changed in Adam that is not told in the story. The two trees are symbols of GOD's strong authorites and the OPPOSERS so called strong authority. You ignore this idea. Trees are important symbols of power in Scripture.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 21, 2022 2:07:13 GMT -5
D"ONE ERROR and it is all garbage – your rule! R" I didn't make a mistake in the theory of kinds, only the possibility that the koala bear may not the in the same kind as the brown bear. The theory of KINDs is not wrong except when its wrong – This is what you call conviction?
D"Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” R" Fancy a translator scholar as yourself willing to quote a translation error? The word {is} is supplied. I notice the Greek writes pneumia O theos, not the theos O pneumia? Does this make a difference? Robert – you speak about things you do not understand – so you just make it up
Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός, καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας αὐτὸν ἐν πνεύματι καὶ ἀληθείᾳ δεῖ προσκυνεῖν.
Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός, καὶ 1- the comma (,) is not in Greek it is an added English modifier 2- the comman (,) is added in English because the Greek says kai Look it up – it is a break in thought – it is used as comma – or a semi-colon – it is translated as AND – BUT – sometimes WHEN – kai + gar = if then It is just never a period at the end of a sentence
The Greek says – “Spirit the God” - AND blah blah blah
English examples I, Dave, and others The President, Donald trump, and others Forum member, Robert, and others My dog, Prince, and others
You suggest - [the] spirit (of) elohiym, and … In Greek this is incorrect – for this to be true the word spirit would be in the genitive case of possession (of)
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D"WHO IS YOURSELF R" brevity Dave, care to explain yourself? Easy – in the inner man – our true self = our spirit Created Day 1 as were all the host of heaven Created eternal From God we came – and we are having a physical experience here – we are souljourning here Upon mortal death – our spirit is released – poured out – set free – and we return to God
Your turn – you have said it is you brain that is the seat of your conscious – then the heart – then it was your DNA – all of it just biology OR YOU SAY - we are just empowered by the HS - but we are not the HS You repeat one version for a while then the other version - but you refuse to answer the question
D"Why do you, Ellen White, and your SDA buddies deny scripture – the word of God Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
It says one man – one human being – and that was Eve R" The verse says Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin-offering entered into the world, and death through sin-offering; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned. Translate the Greek in ROmans 5:12 back to Hebrew and you will see clearly. The word here is "chataah". STOP REWRITING SCRIPTURE TO FIT YOUR NEEDS
D" All was created through Him and for Him – even the authorities (archon) R" All things, including the free will, but God never created the sinning, that free will can choose. OK – what is you point - - who says God created sinning I say – and scripture says – Eve invented sinning
D"It is the biological commandment for self-preservation and the survival of the species No need for self preservation in a perfect word Dave? Then why did God give the commandment to your perfect world that was perfect until Gen 3:6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 17:47:18 GMT -5
D" The theory of KINDs is not wrong except when its wrong – This is what you call conviction?R" Mock on Dave, if an not an biology expert on animal genotype or phenotype. D" Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός The Greek says – “Spirit the God” - AND blah blah blahR" You agree with me I wrote "[the] spirit (of) elohiym, and those who" I see this is a normal Hebrew construct, as in Gen 1:2 but Dave mocks me and says " Robert – you speak about things you do not understand – so you just make it up" You have written the same thing as I have, only afraid to translate this into Hebrew. D" In Greek this is incorrect – for this to be true the word spirit would be in the genitive case of possession (of)R" Now who is making up stuff, yes agreed if this was originally written in Greek, but it wasn't. It was originally written in Hebrew and later translated into Greek, so the Greek thought to write as Greek's write, without much adherence strictly to the Hebrew, except they followed LXX guidelines. Proof this is a second copy,, not an original? John is a Jew and Jews do not learn other languages, Paul the Jew is a rare exception to this idea. Re 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, Proof John writes in Hebrew right here. D "Easy – in the inner man – our true self = our spiritR" And where is this inner man spirit thing located into the biological body? There must be an interface between the spirit (not of matter) and the biology (made of matter)? D" STOP REWRITING SCRIPTURE TO FIT YOUR NEEDSR" I am not, just making the Bible meanings clearly so I don't have stammering lips like you have. Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Here is a prophecy the Hebrew goes out into a new tongue. But the message goes out in a stammering lip....unclear, cloudy, like kissing a bride through a veil (Jewish idea) D" OK – what is you point - - who says God created sinning I say – and scripture says – Eve invented sinningR" Who says God created sinning? you do with God creating all creatures with ra inside of them, including the humans. If Eve was the first to sin, who is the ruler over the second tree than the ARUWM, the serpent with a twisted head, than? Who is termed by Jesus as the Father of lies and a murderer fromthe beginning of time? SOunds like a sinning being to me? The fact you have a sinning creature tempting Eve to do sinning is complete negation of your idea you post. And you have nerve (along with somewhat Jeff too) that the serpent never sinned to get Eve to sin. The aruwm made a false report of truth, and that under the judgements is a murderer, a sin. D" Then why did God give the commandment to your perfect world that was perfect until Gen 3:6Word salad, unpack your meaning please. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2022 0:42:17 GMT -5
R" The verse says Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin-offering entered into the world, and death through sin-offering; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned. Translate the Greek in ROmans 5:12 back to Hebrew and you will see clearly. The word here is "chataah".STOP REWRITING SCRIPTURE TO FIT YOUR NEEDS1- if you want to translate the Greek back into Hebrew – learn to translate 2- if you were serious – you would learn to translate – instead of playing word games 3- The NT has already been translated back to the Hebrew – by Jews from Israel I will take their word over your anyday – they have never lied to me – or misrepresented the facts to me Hebrew New Testament (Modern Translation) with Strong's ...https://accordancebible.com › Shop The Modern Hebrew translation of the New Testament was produced by The Bible Society in Israel in the 1970s. This version is tagged with Key numbers (Greek ... Rom. 5:12 ¶ לְפִיכָךְ, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁעַל־יְדֵי אָדָם אֶחָד 1בָּא הַחֵטְא לָעוֹלָם, וְעֵקֶב הַחֵטְא 2בָּא הַמָּוֶת, כָּךְ עָבַר הַמָּוֶת לְכָל בְּנֵי אָדָם מִשּׁוּם שֶׁכֻּלָּם 3חָטְאוּ. H2399 – חֵטְא - chêṭ' – khate - From H2398; a crime or its penalty: - fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin. G266 - ἁμαρτία - From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful). ------------- D"The theory of KINDs is not wrong except when its wrong – This is what you call conviction? R" Mock on Dave, I am not an biology expert on animal genotype or phenotype.Neither is the Creation Institute - or the self proclaimed scientist that spout this errorIt is why they will not stand peer review and each time they insult the public with fake science - it only harms the faith - makes Christianity look stupid - the earth is not the center of the universe and Rome is not the center of earthD"Joh 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός The Greek says – “Spirit the God” - AND blah blah blah R" You agree with me You have written the same thing as I have, I said Spirit the GodYou said Spirit of GodNot the same – in English – Hebrew – or GreekD"In Greek this is incorrect – for this to be true the word spirit would be in the genitive case of possession (of) R" Now who is making up stuff, yes agreed if this was originally written in Greek, but it wasn't. It was originally written in Hebrew and later translated into GreekYou present a false teaching(google ) The New Testament was written in a form of Koine Greek, which was the common language of the Eastern Mediterranean from the conquests of Alexander the Great (335–323 BC) until the evolution of Byzantine Greek (c. 600). John is a Jew and Jews do not learn other languages, Paul the Jew is a rare exception to this idea.What a bunch of made up nonsense –everyone spoke Greek or Aramaic You present another false teachingD"Easy – in the inner man – our true self = our spirit R" And where is this inner man spirit thing located into the biological body? Not biology – inside – sub-conscious – the part that already knows better D"OK – what is you point - - who says God created sinning I say – and scripture says – Eve invented sinning R" Who says God created sinning? you do with God creating all creatures with ra inside of them, including the humans.Misrepresent all you want Robert – you are only doing yourself a disservice I have never said that God made creatures with EVIL inside God made creatures with (yester ra) the commandment for self-preservation and the survival; of the species – ‘go forth be fruitful and multiply’Why do you consider this commandment an order to sin and be evilWhy do you and Ellen white teach is it a sin and evil to obey the Lord?D"Then why did God give the commandment to your perfect world that was perfect until Gen 3:6 Word salad, unpack your meaning please. Why did your god order all the animals to go forth and sin and be evil – before Eve sinned?
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