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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 6:17:02 GMT -5
D" Will God have to deal with the sin problem again? R" Na 1:9 ¶ What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
NO, sin never arises again a second time.
RP" Hence you squeeze this war in heaven during the Creation of Man, D" Correct – on Day 1 Then God created corporeal earth (planet earth did not come around until Day 3) Gen 1:2 choshek = Rev 12:7 war – this is the moment that the First Archon was created Correct – on Day 1 R" Hang on Dave, can't you read Scripture?
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I read this and earth, watery earth, was already here on day 1 of Creation.
Ge 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament:
R" Reference to what, above and below what ? EARTH obviously. Ge 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Rob replies" I get the impression earth was originally a water ball, without a single dry land on it anywhere. And without light, possibly a solid ice ball. When God showed up, earth became a water ball.
D"Where is your supporting evidence? – R" OK, not much....two verses....
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
If morning stars are assumed as cheribums, the sons of God are free will creatures on other worlds, on other universes, watching this creation for humans.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
These kings, I assume to be princes of other unfallen worlds, looking on at how GOD deals with sinning angels.
D"Not once have you proven your satan god opposes My God R" listen to Rabbi Ted Falcon on the video I gave you.... interesting, with Jewish insights....
D"Answer the question – is there eternal life for those who are saved – yes or no R" Yes
D" Answer the question – is there eternal life for the sinner – yes or no R" Yes
D"If it is given to you at the end – it is not eternal because it did not exist in the past R" I don't follow you, you seem to be saying eternal life is a gift, given to you by Jesus, as a one off gift?
My understanding the gift of Jesus requires you to continually loving in Jesus, to receive that gift. In other words eternal life is a Person, and as such given to you as a Gift, but you must daily have faith to support that person's presence, in order to remain abiding in His powers flowing through you. That flow of power is eternal life.
Therefore eternal life is the presence of a person, in you. Relationship.
D"you must do things daily to maintain your salvation R" maintain? NO
Plants can live without water for a few days.
You love because you are loved, not about maintaining love.
RP" Gen 1:2 This verse implies Earth came from an earlier creation, EARTH was not created here, only modifed and formed. D" Your ability to mock scripture denies your dedication to God’s word - Christian R" Explain?
tohuw Does this mean nothing existed? bohuw Does this mean nothing existed?
Or did the earth exist, just not ordered as God likes. Full of RA. Why RA? Caused by sinning angels living there.
Lucky for me, God explains the terms of void and formless
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Earth is void and formless when there is no atmosphere, no birds and no animals on the earth.
BUT earth as a foundation ROCK is already existing.
So Dave please explain your view, SHow me a study of these two Hebrew words.
D"She has taught you that your satan is a god in heaven R" Are you saying this opposer is not a false elohiym power?
Who are these than? Ps 82:1 Elohiym judgeth among the gods (elohiym).
Did GOD create your archons to be elohiym powers? He can't because they are programmed to do RA, not oppose God.
SO answer the question who are these elohiyim gods, that oppose GOD?
If you only say Man, why did the angels? or archons? come to sexually create demigods to oppose God. Isn't this going against their programming?
D"She states openly that your satan deceived Adam – Paul says otherwise R" Listen to Rabbi Ted Falcon video I gave you and make discussion.
Shalom my friend PS loved your WEDD video
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Post by Dave on Mar 30, 2022 12:09:42 GMT -5
D" Will God have to deal with the sin problem again? NO, sin never arises again a second time. So how can the New Heaven and Earth be the same as Gen 1
(planet earth did not come around until Day 3) R" Hang on Dave, can't you read Scripture?
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I read this and earth, watery earth, was already here on day 1 of Creation. 1- created on Day 1 2- if you eat earth – it is only dirt – physical – corporeal – all physicality 3- God created a lot more physical cosmos than just this planet 4- You are just using a word game to oppose Your word game is rejected
Rob replies" I get the impression earth was originally a water ball, without a single dry land on it anywhere. And without light, possibly a solid ice ball. Nebular Hypothesis agrees – a liquid ball – molten goo You ice ball is totally opposite of water ball – why do you choose the opposing view Do you find it so satisfying to oppose – is that the message Ellen White teaches her disciples You have made it clear who the oppose is -
When God showed up, earth became a water ball. WHAT – God is omnipresent – period
D"Where is your supporting evidence? – R" OK, not much....two verses.... NOT DOCTRINE – EVIDENCE Multidimensionalism has a multitude of evidence to suggest 10D String Theory has a multitude of evidence to suggest 10D Jewish – Book of Creation – says 10 is the number – not 9 – not 11 Enoch speaks of 10 heavens Paul speaks of 10 heavens Jewish Kabbalah said 10D as far back as the 10th century AD
D"Not once have you proven your satan god opposes My God R" listen to Rabbi Ted Falcon on the video I gave you.... interesting, with Jewish insights.... YES – 100% MY VIEW – 100% GNOSTIC CHRISTIANITY – because it is 100% Kabalistic Hasidic Jewish I LOVED YOUR VIDEO – I WILL SPEND HOURS REVIEWING IT
Man is spirit – choose to PUT ON SKIN and come into this world to heal this world VERY JEWISH – Her 1:5 From God we came and to God we return
D"Answer the question – is there eternal life for those who are saved – yes or no R" Yes D"If it is given to you at the end – it is not eternal because it did not exist in the past R" I don't follow you, you seem to be saying eternal life is a gift, given to you by Jesus, as a one off gift? Definition of eternal = from the beginning of time continued existence
D" Answer the question – is there eternal life for the sinner – yes or no R" Yes Then what is the value of salvation – NONE – everyone live eternally
D"you must do things daily to maintain your salvation R" maintain? NO You plainly teach – that you can fall from God’s Grace You have taken a stand on this topic several times Another anti-Judeo-Christian teaching
D"She has taught you that your satan is a god in heaven R" Are you saying this opposer is not a false elohiym power? THERE ARE NOT TWO OPPOSING gods AT WAR WITH ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN
Who are these than? Ps 82:1 Elohiym judgeth among the gods (elohiym).
The same as Jos 22:22 “God of gods is Adonai! God of gods is Adonai! Jos 22:22 The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods,
The same as Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. Jdg 2:3 And I also have said, I do not cast them out from your presence, and they have been to you for adversaries, and their gods are to you for a snare.'
They are the gods of the 99% - archon – satanas – devils – the BEAST of REVELATION
Did GOD create your archons to be elohiym powers? He can't because they are programmed to do RA, not oppose God. Caesar thought himself a God – raised his throne higher that the Creators Who created Caesar?
Just how many god-kings have there been on planet earth King of Tyre, - Emperor Ito of the 20th century Kims of North Korea – right now
SO answer the question who are these elohiyim gods, that oppose GOD? I have no other gods that oppose God However – the other gods that oppose man = archon – satanas – devils – Beast
If you only say Man, why did the angels? or archons? come to sexually create demigods to oppose God. Isn't this going against their programming? I didn’t say man – I said archon – satanas – devils – Beast Why did (yester ra) creatures peruse (yester Ra) in the flesh when they took on more flesh Because (yester ra) = lust – desire – want – greed – wirld – world – world = (yester ra)
D"She states openly that your satan deceived Adam – Paul says otherwise R" Listen to Rabbi Ted Falcon video I gave you and make discussion. And he begins with Adam and Eve being Siamese spirit beings – who were separated apart – no longer together when the “SIDE” was separated – then Eve spoke to the serpent alone You should pay attention to the video you gave
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 17:06:34 GMT -5
RP " When God showed up, earth became a water ball. D" WHAT – God is omnipresent – period R" Back up Dave and listen to Scripture Ge 1:2 and darkness...upon the deepness of pre-existing earth
What does darkness do? Make things cold. So the deep was solid ice like.
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; Meaning the earth pre-existed before God came to do a makeover.
When LIGHT arrives, the dark ice rock becomes watery , the deep begins to flow.
D"NOT DOCTRINE – EVIDENCE Multidimensionalism has a multitude of evidence to suggest 10D String Theory has a multitude of evidence to suggest 10D Jewish – Book of Creation – says 10 is the number – not 9 – not 11 Enoch speaks of 10 heavens Paul speaks of 10 heavens Jewish Kabbalah said 10D as far back as the 10th century AD R" FUnny, I have two Bible verses, and you have no Bible verses?
How many verses on how to be saved? One
D"You plainly teach – that you can fall from God’s Grace R" Yes you can choose to fall from Jesus' kindness.
D"THERE ARE NOT TWO OPPOSING gods AT WAR WITH ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN R" correct, they are currently at war opposing each other on earth...
One is DIVINE, the other is a mere creature, pretending to be supremely elohiym power
D"They are the gods of the 99% - archon – satanas – devils – the BEAST of REVELATION R" Cannot fit your view, because if GOD created the archons to do RA, the archon cannot oppose GOD.
So there is nothing to judge, as the RA is also intentionally planned by God.
SO God has no opposing elohiym powers before His face.
Only man is the opposing power, with free will to choose and disobey, fueled by the RA archons. So your only opposing elohiym powers has to be man alone.
You didn't say that.
You say archons had sex with humans. Now that is not allowed because now the archons are opposing God, as the humans they mate with a opposing God. You also neglect Jeff Benner understanding of the serpent Ge 3:1 ¶ Now the serpent was more subtil
H6175 "twisting secure head"
Jews have lost this Gh letter. Who is this twisting secure head? What does twisting mean?
clockwise and anticlockwise. forward backward, functional dysfunction.
There is a tree representing this being? in the Garden.
D"Caesar thought himself a God – raised his throne higher that the Creators Who created Caesar? R" that is better. That is all your theory is, man only.
Your archons only help man become gods that oppose God.
That is all your theory can do.
D" Just how many god-kings have there been on planet earth King of Tyre, - Emperor Ito of the 20th century Kims of North Korea – right now R" correct. Your theory demands only humanoid gods.
Cannot involve archons having sex with man to make more demi-gods....NO
Now you have a programmed RA creature also opposing GOD....
Not possible....unless the creature chooses, free will, to oppose God.
SO please stick to your view, be consistent.
D"I have no other gods that oppose God However – the other gods that oppose man = archon – satanas – devils – Beast R" Stop using archons as entities that oppose God,
your archons only help man to oppose God.
Question Why would GOD intentionally make archons to help man oppose God?
Question Why is the Hebrew letter Gh lost by Jews? Question the serpent was a "twisting secure head" What does twisting mean? Dark, stormy, evil ?
Pr 5:22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.
THis verse is full of Gh letter, twisting---- the picture of sinning.
D"And he begins with Adam and Eve being Siamese spirit beings – who were separated apart – no longer together when the “SIDE” was separated – then Eve spoke to the serpent alone You should pay attention to the video you gave R" One view of the video
ANother view is to see the woman inside the loins of the man, that came out as a different personality of loving, but the same flesh as Adam was. If you listen to Rabbi Ted, he speaks of the serpent lying to deceive Eve.
"pay attention to the video " its a passing comment he makes....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 30, 2022 23:46:03 GMT -5
RP " When God showed up, earth became a water ball. D" WHAT – God is omnipresent – period R" Back up Dave and listen to Scripture GOD IS OMNIPRESENT – your teaching that you can hide under an umbra shadow away from God is garbageWhat does darkness do? Make things cold. So the deep was solid ice like.That is Entropy – you have denied this idea vehemently – for a year – now you post it as a factD"You plainly teach – that you can fall from God’s Grace R" Yes you can choose to fall from Jesus' kindness.Absolute garbage – anti-Judeo-Christian teaching 100 Bible Verses about No One Will Pluck You Out Of My Handwww.openbible.info › topics › no_one_will_plu... Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. R" Yes you can choose to fall from Jesus' kindness.Absolute garbage – anti-Judeo-Christian teaching D"THERE ARE NOT TWO OPPOSING gods AT WAR WITH ONE ANOTHER IN HEAVEN R" correct, they are currently at war opposing each other on earth... So you no longer have a God in heaven – you biggest form of a god is earthboundD"I have no other gods that oppose God However – the other gods that oppose man = archon – satanas – devils – Beast R" Stop using archons as entities that oppose God,D"I have no other gods that oppose God
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 15:29:54 GMT -5
D"Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. R" I see
So once you become saved, your free will is removed, and the archons no longer attack?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Mt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Explain these verses than?
D"So you no longer have a God in heaven – you biggest form of a god is earthbound R" Father and Son are in heaven, while HS lives among men on earth, the war on earth is on earth, via the medium of the HS, the players are each opposer opposing each other, over the right to save humans from sinning. Doesn't matter where they are exactly.
D"D"I have no other gods that oppose God R" I see
Question: Does natural entropy oppose GOD? Does it wear God out? Drain energy from Him?
If you answer yes, than you have natural entities opposing God? which I find hard to believe?
Question: Does the sinner who sins oppose GOD? Does the sinning wear God out? Drain energy from Him?
If you answer no, than how come God must create RA than, how can a sinner exist in God's presence and live, if God does not create RA, so the sinner can be found sinning and live?
Question: Why must you speculate only humans are the first creatures to have sinned? What drives you to think this way? Surely there are many alien life forms out there, but only man has free will? So only one species of creatures knows how to love, and yet God is love. You have made God's love and loving very very very limited. So love does not share? loving is not a community. Look what you have made love into? Love is between one species of creature only. I pity your concept of love.
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Post by Dave on Mar 31, 2022 16:26:29 GMT -5
D"Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. R" I see
So once you become saved, your free will is removed, and the archons no longer attack? Actually – the more pious you become – the more the archon are in your face If you are lost to the world – they do not have to attack you directly Just ask Job
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane Gnosis – once you know the truth – you cannot deny it
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Unless - Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Why do you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Mt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Pretenders – believers - - never gnosis They thought they gnosis Christ - but all they knew was religion
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, GNOSIS – if you know the fire is hot – will you stick your hand into the flame GNOSIS – if you know the fire id hot – will you let anyone eles force your hand into the flame Please read Roman Chapter 7 – the inner struggle between (yester ra) the things I know I should not do – and (yester tov) the reason I know
No one knew more than Paul what a sinner he is in the flesh Does Ellen White also teach that Gnositic Paul was never saved – had no faith She teaches that Gnostic Paul lies in 2 Chr 12 and Eph 6
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane
D"D"I have no other gods that oppose God R" I see Question: Does natural entropy oppose GOD? Does it wear God out? Drain energy from Him? DUH – Entropy is inherernt to physical creation – God is not physical – God is not biology – your version of God is insulting
Question: Does the sinner who sins oppose GOD? A man who sins – is committing spiritual suicide God loves you enough – to let you go if that is your choice – 2nd Death – Death of Spirit
Question: Why must you speculate only humans are the first creatures to have sinned? What drives you to think this way? Not speculation – not doctrine – just scripture
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (The only law to creation was - 'go forth be fruitful and multiply)
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, (the 1st Law to man)
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Why do you and Ellen White deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ - or is it just Gnostic Paul you don't like God made the archon for Him by Him Col 1:16 = Gnostic Paul Our real struggel is against the archon - Eph 6:12 = Gnostic Paul
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 15:59:12 GMT -5
D" Actually – the more pious you become – the more the archon are in your face If you are lost to the world – they do not have to attack you directly Just ask Job R" And God programmed this in the archon, for what reason?
Not what a God of love would do ? D"Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane Gnosis – once you know the truth – you cannot deny it R" I see. Just what is a pretender and a true supporter than?
Was Judas a true supporter according to you? What about Peter? How come he denied the Lord 3 times? What about Saul before and after the conversion? What about the sharp arguments over Mark with Barnabus?
RP"Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. D" Unless - Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Why do you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ? R" Brevity Dave again, your lack of discussions astound me? Don't you have a valid answer?
D"Pretenders – believers - - never gnosis They thought they gnosis Christ - but all they knew was religion R" I see.
SO what is a true gnosis person Dave. These virgins had oil, same as wise virgins, just not enough oil. Distinguish between them. This will be interesting.
Question" Why do you preach Paul was Gnostic?
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of Gnosis falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith
Paul wrote to have nothing to do with Gnostic thoughts, so I do not get you?
D"Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane R" I see you do not understand salvation.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Doing amanuah, is not based on belief only, its a process of doing, not believing per se'
The reason why a person sins is because they stop doing amanuah, its a choice thing.
The reason why people are not saved is because they stop doing amanuah. Explain this process?
Ho 13:5 ¶ I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. 6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
When the Christian gets filled by Jesus and is happy, our pride rises and we forget to do amanuah.
Simply. How do we avoid this?
We have to give away our fruits of glory from Jesus, otherwise the fruits will make us proud.
That is what Sabbath was for, sharing away our fruits of praise in Jesus. ( Sabbath is not supposed to be a ceasing day, for doing nothing...all day....)
D"DUH – Entropy is inherernt to physical creation – God is not physical – God is not biology – your version of God is insulting R I see, but where does the loss of energy come from, and whom upholds the quantum?
Surely God does this somehow?
D" A man who sins – is committing spiritual suicide God loves you enough – to let you go if that is your choice – 2nd Death – Death of Spirit R" You didn't answer my question.
God opposed Baalim, surely Baalim opposes God.
The sinner doing sinning has to be by definition be opposing God. When you are missing powers from God, you are using God's powers selfishly, hence that is opposing God, resisting God and causing God to feel pain (as well as sorrow)
Not a sparrow falls to the ground without the Father's notice. The life force lost is immediately felt.
D"Not speculation – not doctrine – just scripture R" Really, but you ignore Ek 28, the cherubs that sinned?
Why do you think only He who is loved, only chose ONE creature above trillions to experience the free will of love?
D"Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: R" When a first creature sins, the creature can repent, even if made of biology, since the biology is perfect still.
But if the first creature who sins, changes the biology of the second creature who sins, than the second creatures are trapped for eternity in their sinning condition unfairly, because of the mischief done by the mischief maker.
Once you spoil the DNA your perfectness is lost for eternity, unless a divine being writes that lost DNA code back again.
Have you never considered this?
D"Our real struggel is against the archon - Eph 6:12 = Gnostic Paul R" really
1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
I thought the only thing that guarantees salvation is keeping amanuah. AManuah is the process of abiding in Jesus.
SHalom SHabbath
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Post by Dave on Apr 1, 2022 22:25:07 GMT -5
D" Actually – the more pious you become – the more the archon are in your face If you are lost to the world – they do not have to attack you directly Just ask Job R" And God programmed this in the archon, for what reason?
ahl/OT says, Pro 3:11 My son, never despise Adonai’s discipline or dread His correction. Pro 3:12 For Adonai loves those He reproves, even as a father, the son in whom he delights.
agl/NT sats, Heb 12:5 Have you forgotten the warning addressed to you as sons? “My son, do not take lightly the discipline of Adonai or lose heart when you are corrected by Him, Heb 12:6 because Adonai disciplines the one He loves and punishes every son He accepts.” Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you endure. God is treating you as sons—for what son does a father not discipline?
ahl/OT says, Deu 13:4 You must not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams—for Adonai your God is testing you, to find out whether you love Adonai your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 8:2 You are to remember all the way that Adonai your God has led you … in the wilderness—in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
agl/NT says, Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Jas 1:4 And let endurance have its perfect work,
Not what a God of love would do ? Why do you deny scripture in favor of Ellen White’s doctrine
D"Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane Gnosis – once you know the truth – you cannot deny it R" I see. Just what is a pretender and a true supporter than?
Pretenders are weak believers – (believe it is true) that do not remain steadfast until the end Who think communion is a ritual you do in church Those who understand it as fact – gnosis it to be fact First Fruits – Born Again Christians – Spirit to spirit communion
The servant of Elisha – a Temple servant – close to Elisha – yet – was only a believer Elisha – was a Born Again Christian – no fear – could spiritual discern
Was Judas a true supporter according to you? Judas is an interesting study – absolutely necessary to fulfil scripture Without Judas – the Age of the Gentile would not come about Mat 26:39 Going a little farther, He fell face down and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me! Yet not as I will, but as You will.”
Judas – the cross – the resurrection = all God’s Plan all God’s Will
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Joh 3:17 God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.
Gen 50:20 Yes, you yourselves planned evil against me. God planned it for good, in order to bring about what it is this day—to preserve the lives of many people.
What about Peter? How come he denied the Lord 3 times? What a great example Peter was a believer when he denied Christ 3 times – the Baptism of the Holy Spirit had not yet been given – YET
Joh 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. Joh 16:8 “When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment:
After Peter became baptized by the Holy Spirit – he went to jail – and demanded to be crucified upside down (because he wasn’t worth enough to die as Jesus died)
Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
D"Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane Gnosis – once you know the truth – you cannot deny it R" I see. Just what is a pretender and a true supporter than?
Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Believers – baptized with water – a river – a bathtub – a lake – or sprinkles Gnosis – Born Again Christians - the Holy Ghost came on them
What about Saul before and after the conversion? What about the sharp arguments over Mark with Barnabus? In the morning – Gnostic Paul did not believe in Jesus Christ – persecuted believers BOOM – taken into heaven – in the spirit or not – he could not tell – met Christ face to face That afternoon he dedicated his life to JER 1:5 and nothing else
What does sharp arguments have to do with salvation? Jesus Christ kicked over the money changers table and called the saducees vipers inside the Templ courtyard Do you doubt hat Jesus Christ was saved?
These virgins had oil, same as wise virgins, just not enough oil. Distinguish between them. This will be interesting.
D"Pretenders – believers - - never gnosis They thought they gnosis Christ - but all they knew was religion
Robert – you deny the spirit – you mock the spirit – and mock agl/NT Christians Instead – you believe that satan is a god of evil – and you are victum
RP"Eze 18:24 – The Jews are judged by the Law D" Unless - Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Why do you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ? R" Brevity Dave again, your lack of discussions astound me? Don't you have a valid answer? John 3:16 – Christ came to fulfill the Law – now all that is required for salvation is belief
Question" Why do you preach Paul was Gnostic? Rome calls him a gnostic – the 3rd epistle to Corinth is banned from you view – listed upon the Roman Index. You could be sentenced to death for reading it
You say – everything within the Nag Hammadi Library is Gnostic – that includes the Prayer of Paul of Tarsus
1Ti 6:20 O Paul wrote to have nothing to do with Gnostic thoughts, so I do not get you? And you claim that means Gnostic James, Gnostic John, Gnostic Paul, Gnostic Peter, Gnostic Phillip, and Gnostic Thomas
D"Pretenders – who believe – but beliefs can change and wane R" I see you do not understand salvation. Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Correct – saved by belief – but if you stop believing – look out
Doing amanuah, is not based on belief only, its a process of doing, not believing per se' YES – and the thing you need to do is WITNESS to others – at your own expense – even your life
The reason why a person sins is because they stop doing amanuah, its a choice thing. YES – always a choice – I think I have suggested that a few time already
The reason why people are not saved is because they stop doing amanuah. Correct – saved by belief – but if you stop believing – look out
D"DUH – Entropy is inherernt to physical creation – God is not physical – God is not biology – your version of God is insulting R I see, but where does the loss of energy come from, and whom upholds the quantum? So obvious you do not listen – or take me serious Energy cannot be created or destroyed – it can only be translated or transmuted - DUH
R” Question: Does the sinner who sins oppose GOD? D" A man who sins – is committing spiritual suicide God loves you enough – to let you go if that is your choice – 2nd Death – Death of Spirit R" You didn't answer my question. OH – too complicated – then no the sinner does not oppose God he is opposing himself
God opposed Baalim, surely Baalim opposes God. The sinner doing sinning has to be by definition be opposing God. I guess when God is satan – man can be satan by your own word game
D"Not speculation – not doctrine – just scripture R" Really, but you ignore Ek 28, the cherubs that sinned? Too bad you do not have another verse – makes it easy when you only have to remember one
D"Our real struggel is against the archon - Eph 6:12 = Gnostic Paul R" really Why do you out rightly deny scripture
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 5:19:33 GMT -5
Dave" OH – too complicated – then no the sinner does not oppose God he is opposing himself
Energy cannot be created or destroyed – it can only be translated or transmuted - DUH
Rob" Hmm?
OK where does the SUN get its energy from, that empowers the earth every day?
How can a sinner be opposing himself, if the power he uses ultimately comes from God?
The sinner chooses to lust, desire and wound others. He uses the power of breathing, and or assimilation, the cells are empowered with energy from the sun to empower muscles to do what the soul desires to do. Where does this energy to do evil come from? From God the source of all energy.
One could think of the sinner as a resistor, and the current is the flow of God's love. The battery is the source of God's love.
A person in love with God has no internal resistance, so the current flows freely into and out of the person, freely with no unnecessary loss of God's powers.
However a sinner is a person seeking to do RA, so develops a resistance to the circuit of God's love, impeding its flow. The flow is harder to achieve, but possible, as the sinner still is empowered to do the RA he wishes to do, (even though God has to create that RA). In this model the sinner not only opposes GOD, but is wearing God out so to speak, not that you can wear out an infinite source of power, but nevertheless a resistor causes a loss of God's power, so it ends up as RA.
In your Gnostic model, is there such a thing as natural resistance to God's flow of love? No there cannot be, for any loss of energy would be a source of dysfunction, and weary the God Most High.
This is why I see God dealing with a sinning problem.
In a way I agree with you, the sinner is opposing himself, as a resistor opposes the flow of God into him/her. But the goal of the sinner is to make a flow of RA, despite the fact the flow becomes harder and harder to do each time.
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Post by Dave on Apr 2, 2022 8:47:24 GMT -5
OK where does the SUN get its energy from, that empowers the earth every day? In the beginning E=mc2 In the beginning God spoke the word In the beginning the word went out – spread out – expanded – and forms the bases EM spectrum that fuels / sustains all physical reality
Some of this E – became bound into elements (transmuted) – through a process of cooling as you said = Entropy Then these elements – interact – and their Es are exchanged (translated) In the process – some E is translated into space – released – escapes – Entropy Then this E smashes into earth – and some E is translated to earth – also Entropy
How can a sinner be opposing himself, if the power he uses ultimately comes from God? … In a way I agree with you, the sinner is opposing himself, as a resistor opposes the flow of God into him/her. But the goal of the sinner is to make a flow of RA, despite the fact the flow becomes harder and harder to do each time.
But the goal of the sinner is to make a flow of RA, - you are sick with Catholic evil The sinner sins by feeding SELF (yester ra) - selfishness
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 16:17:57 GMT -5
RP" OK where does the SUN get its energy from, that empowers the earth every day? D" In the beginning E=mc2 In the beginning God spoke the word In the beginning the word went out – spread out – expanded – and forms the bases EM spectrum that fuels / sustains all physical reality
Some of this E – became bound into elements (transmuted) – through a process of cooling as you said = Entropy Then these elements – interact – and their Es are exchanged (translated) In the process – some E is translated into space – released – escapes – Entropy Then this E smashes into earth – and some E is translated to earth – also Entropy
R" What answer is this?
Re 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (KJV)
What is a star a simile of I wonder? Here it says Jesus is a star, a simile of the SUN maybe?
Re 12:1 ¶ And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
A woman is also a simile of a church, with 12 stars, a simile of the 12 apostles perhaps?
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
What is a wandering star, in which they experience blackness?
Ex 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven,
Stars are similes of saints for God...
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Obviously sinless beings (stars) saw God's creation, even before man existed.
OK Dave the SUN was made to shine all that light and often with entropy too, so where does all this energy come from?
Does it come from GOD, or does GOD rearrange the energy of the cosmos that is already here, existing into both functional and dysfunctional forms? To me, all energy flows from GOD, He can place His powers in a SUN and let the SUN shine, ...etc
Why do you suppose GOD has to deal with entropy if all powers come from God?
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D"But the goal of the sinner is to make a flow of RA, - you are sick with Catholic evil The sinner sins by feeding SELF (yester ra) - selfishness R"How is this sick? Please explain.
You say the sinner sins by feeding self. Isn't self, the Hebrew word BAAL, both verb and noun forms?
Jeff Benner ) 0SF (0SF B-AhL) — Rule: [freq. 16] (vf: Paal, Niphal) |kjv: marry, husband, dominion, wife| {str: 1166} Nm) 0SF (0SF B-AhL) — Master: [Hebrew and Aramaic] [freq. 85] |kjv: man, owner, husband, master, lord| {str: 1167, 1169} Jeff doesn't include H1168, BAAL idol, I wonder why?
Explain what you see SELF as, I see SELF, as a Master , as YOU ruling yourself, and in an idol form is BAAL, the same idea Jews followed, the worship of beings that promote SELF worship. This is obviously to me, RA, a person not sharing love and way off track.
Also explain why selfishness is NOT RA?
Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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Post by Dave on Apr 2, 2022 18:34:13 GMT -5
RP" OK where does the SUN get its energy from, that empowers the earth every day? D" In the beginning E=mc2 R" What answer is this?Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being. ------------------------ 1- OK Dave the SUN was made to shine all that light and often with entropy too, so where does all this energy come from?Answer – DUHGen 1:1 In the beginning God “fattened” the heavens and the earth. Jewish Pantheism on the sub atomic scale – all is GodGnostic – God (omnipotent) spoke the WORD (HS) – the WORD went out expanded – medium / matrix / ether / omnipresent Agreed – everything is empowered by the HS at the SUB-ATOMIC level But this is NOT panetheismSpirit / consciousness- is a completely separate creation event – as cows are different to ant are different baboons – each an independent and unique individual 2a- Does it come from GOD, Answer - DUH2b - or does GOD rearrange the energy of the cosmos that is already here, existing into both functional and dysfunctional forms?Easy Answer – Absolutely NOCreation is OVER – God is in His Day of Rest – the Sabbath – there is no new creation Easy Answer – God sent some things in motion during Creation Week – creation is moving towards its Planned end / Designed end – ask any astrophysicist – eventual nothingness of absolute zero Easy Answer – God sent some things in motion during Creation Week – one of those things = the Laws of Nature – things like the Laws of Thermodynamics – Did God make the earth crack open (entropy) – did God make the waters burst forth (entropy)– did God make the waters rain back down (entropy) – did God make the earth decompress (entropy) – did God make the Ice Age (entropy) – did God make the ice then melt (entropy) God simply said to the sun – its time – Entropy caused the sun to hick-up – entropy took care of all the rest all by itself – the Laws of nature designed by God God wrote the program – He just hit ‘enter’ – executed the program (trying to put it in your terms)
I use the example – God stacked a pile of bricks – then pulled out the bottom brick – the pile of bricks is falling down – we are on just one of those bricks Can we change the inevitable – NO This is the message – the scripture within nature itself for all to realize – biology is terminal – our only hope is the salvation of the spiritual------------------------------------ Re 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. What is a star a simile of I wonder? Here it says Jesus is a star, a simile of the SUN maybe?More pagan teaching from Robert – The sun dies upon the Southern Cross (Dec 22, 23, & 24)– heralded by the 3 Kings – only to rise again on the 3rd day (Dec 25th)This is a very common criticism of Christianity – just repackaged sun god worship Tammuz – born Dec 25th + Lent + Easter Sunday and Easter Eggs Both the WORLD and the Jews criticize Catholicism over these details------------------- Jud 1:9 But when Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, was arguing about the body of Moses, he did not dare to render a judgment against him for slander, but said, “May the Lord rebuke you!” Jud 1:10 But these people slander whatever they do not understand. And whatever they do understand instinctively—like animals without reason—by these things they are destroyed. Jud 1:11 Woe to them! For they went the way of Cain; they were consumed for pay in Balaam’s error; and in Korah’s rebellion they have been destroyed. Jud 1:12 These people are hidden rocky reefs at your love feasts—shamelessly feasting with you, tending only to themselves. They are waterless clouds, carried along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, doubly dead, uprooted; Jud 1:13 wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. Jud 1:14 It was also about these people that Enoch, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with myriads of His kedoshim, Jud 1:15 to execute judgment against all. What is a wandering star, in which they experience blackness?Hmmm? – Interesting thought – foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. these are the prophesied of Enoch – the eventual army of the Lord at His 2nd coming Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 How fortunate and holy is the one who has a share in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no authority, but they shall be kohanim of God and the Messiah, and they shall reign with Him for a thousand years. Not the (Born Again) First Fruits of Rev 20:4 – the First Resurrection – risen from wandering in shame in the darkness As in – First Resurrection of those who have graduated from Proportional Punishment Jude was the Jewish brother of Jewish Jesus who came to fulfil Jewish theology – is it surprising that agl/NT Spiritual Christianity is just Spiritual Judaism -------------------- Stars are similes of saints for God...Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Obviously sinless beings (stars) saw God's creation, even before man existed. Why do you and Ellen White teach man is NOT a Saint for God?------------------------ D"But the goal of the sinner is to make a flow of RA, - you are sick with Catholic evil The sinner sins by feeding SELF (yester ra) - selfishness R"How is this sick? Please explain. You have never defined your terms – to you volcanoes, earth quakes, lions eating lunch, or viruses reproducing are all evil and are the result of sin – 100% Catholic Fallen Angels – RA was invented by your satan and your RA is all about hating God. – Repeat = you are sick with Catholic evil Ra = Entropy – it is inherent to / a by-product of physical creation There is no god of evil who changed all of God’s Plan against God’s Will--------------- You say the sinner sins by feeding self. Isn't self, the Hebrew word BAAL, both verb and noun forms?
Jeff Benner - — Rule: - marry, husband, dominion, wife Jeff doesn't include H1168, BAAL idol, I wonder why?WIFE IS ENOUGHT Explain what you see SELF as, I see SELF, as a Master , as YOU ruling yourself, (yester ra) – I want – MINE – possessive – greed – desire – lust – all the things necessary to reproduce for the survival of the species When a Bob Cat looks at my chicken inside their cage – is he thinking evil – or just yummy? When a deer looks at my garden threw the fence – is he thinking evil – or just yummy? When Eve looked at the fruit – it was yummy to the eyes – yummy for food – yummy for wisdom and in an idol form is BAAL, Career – fame – fortune – football – evolution – Caesar – false gods – Zeus – Molech – Dogon – Allah Also explain why selfishness is NOT RA?RA – is simply Entropy – sub-atomic nature (yester ra) is a conscious choice – a potential chata – a potential sinGe 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Corrects – THOUGHTS = (yester ra) is a conscious choice – a potential chata – a potential sinQuestion – is (yester ra) always a sin – Hmmmm – NOExample – (yester ra) = self-preservation On the battel field a lot of (yester ra) was in play – FOR THE GREATER GOOD! Did Jesus possess (yester ra)? – YES ABSOLUTELYMat 26:38 Then He tells them, “My soul is deeply grieved, even to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with Me.” Mat 26:39 Going a little farther, He fell face down and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me! Yet not as I will, but as You will.” YES - Jesus was 100% Son of Man - Yet not as I will, but as You will. - (yester ra) is denied / ignored / over rulled by (Yester tov) Yes - jesus was 100% Son of Man - tempted in the wilderness with WORLD - (yester ra) is denied / ignored / over rulled by (Yester tov) when Jesus said - it is written 'do not tempt God (Me)' Gen 50:20 Yes, you yourselves planned evil against me. God planned it for good, in order to bring about what it is this day— to preserve the lives of many people. Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. in order to bring about what it is this day — to preserve the lives of many people.-------------- Also explain why selfishness is NOT RA?RA – is simply Entropy – sub-atomic nature (yester ra) is a conscious choice – a potential chata – a potential sinRemember what Rabbi Falcon said – when we agreed to come to earth in a physical body – we also agreed to forget We are Born as ignorant infants – as we grow e sort out for ourselves – that is God or that is not God God has placed so many reminders of the truth – Rom 1:19 + Psa 19:2 – everywhere, anytime, any scale Once we remember – what we forgot – we reach out to reconnect – we knock on the door of salvation And agree to complete our work – mission – commission – witness God’s Glory (Jer 1:5) As we grow and rediscover God and our mission – do we chata? Absolutely we all have a long record of chata to answer for – proportional punishment – then resurrection UNLESS – we receive the Divine Pardon – baptism of the Holy Spirit = First Fruits – Zec 3
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 16:49:42 GMT -5
D" God simply said to the sun – its time – Entropy caused the sun to hick-up – entropy took care of all the rest all by itself – the Laws of nature designed by GodR" So you agree at a subatomic level all energy flows from God, and is regulated by His physical laws. If God declared His creation "very functional" why do you purpose that included entropy? If Adam and Eve were to eat of the tree of life, that proves "entropy" did not exist than. You think eating is a antidote to starve of mortal death, where as I see the "eating of food" as a relation thing we do with GOD. As long as we are with GOD we have eternal living, thus He did not had "entropy within His present world". We also note that earth already existed in darkness and RA, because angels living there were banished because they sinned, hence God left earth to a state of chaos, which is what sinning does, it comes with entropy. God could not have left earth in this state for very long, because entropy also wearies God, so God made a perfect creation over the darkness for a reason, to get Humans to witness against sin. Entropy for earth (our world) came when Adam sinned and God cursed the ground, the world and the heavens the earth was marching in. You ignore the idea of sin, and what sinning means for God. You think sin is just a sinner opposing himself. A resistor does not oppose the current on purpose, the current tries to push through to give the resistor some sort of living, BUT this wearies God, the ultimate source of living for all things. This is why sinning is on probation and one day comes to an end, and never arises a second time. Imagine never having to dust your heavenly home because entropy doesn't exist there? Everything remains functional. You agree the next creation is like this, why not the first one? You seem to ignore the SIN problem God has to deal with? ------------------ D" Both the WORLD and the Jews criticize Catholicism over these detailsR" I agree I remind you I said simile.. The SON is a simile of the SUN, but not the same. Worshiping the SUN on SUNDAY is a pagan idea. And is in Ezekiel some of the Jews were doing this in the temple worship of YHWH. --------------------- D" Ra = Entropy – it is inherent to / a by-product of physical creation There is no god of evil who changed all of God’s Plan against God’s WillR" Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. SO these people were just dysfunctional and that is OK with GOD? I beg to remind you they were sinning. If creation is inherent with entropy, why did GOD choose another creation constant without entropy? Ours has 128 decimal accuracy, just choose a different one. Our is finely tuned for what I wonder? To exist either perfectly or imperfectly or both at the same time, that's why. OK but why? Because God was dealing with a sin problem. How you see earth as a foundation rock created in Gen 1:2, I will never know....you deny scripture.... the torah says the earth was already here with darkness on it? Sinning angels were already living there. reformjudaism.org/learning/torah-study/torah-commentary/did-god-create-world-oneI quote" Rabbi Abahu suggests the chaotic, unformed earth and the chaotic waters described in Gen. 1:2 might have been the detritus of failed worlds, worlds that did not please God.
We wonder: Why wasn’t God pleased?
Perhaps in previous Creations, those versions of humanity might not have grasped hold of the fruit and eaten their way out into the world. Eternally children, they would not become equal partners with God in the struggle of Existence. As the Holy One thirsted for relationship and new insights, that humanity provided little possibility of growing in Divine wisdom. So God simply started over. R" Sometimes I wonder at the silly notions Jews write....isn't it easier to read the torah than invent precepts of men? They suggest sinning happened earlier so God simply started over.... This Rabbi says 2 things against your view Dave: (1) Earth existed already because some children sinned before us and so GOD simply started over, according to the Rabbi (2) The Rabbi agrees creatures did not grasp being equal partners with God... Hence we read in Ezekiel, some cherub (children of God) did not like being partners with God so sinned. And God simply started over, the Rabbi says. D" When a Bob Cat looks at my chicken inside their cage – is he thinking evil – or just yummy? When a deer looks at my garden threw the fence – is he thinking evil – or just yummy? When Eve looked at the fruit – it was yummy to the eyes – yummy for food – yummy for wisdom R" Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? Animals have no sense of moral law, but man does. Since God cursed his creation when Man sinned, the animals did what entropy told them, yes. As for man, we have a moral sense to obey His laws. RP "and in an idol form is BAAL,D" Career – fame – fortune – football – evolution – Caesar – false gods – Zeus – Molech – Dogon – AllahR" Yes and even allah is nearly spelled as ALAH, the Hebrew word for Father in the OT, "eloah", the Father is given different atributes of character....and this is wrong... D" Gen 50:20 Yes, you yourselves planned evil against me. God planned it for good, in order to bring about what it is this day—to preserve the lives of many people.R" I would agree, RA is a useful thing when we are fallen. (not when we a sinless) Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 3, 2022 19:01:50 GMT -5
R" So you agree at a subatomic level all energy flows from God, and is regulated by His physical laws. Yes Robert –it is called natureIf God declared His creation "very functional" why do you purpose that included entropy? DUH – DUH and DUHR" So you agree at a subatomic level all energy flows from God, and is regulated by His physical laws. Yes Robert –it is called natureEntropy for earth (our world) came when Adam sinned and God cursed the ground, the world and the heavens the earth was marching in. Sorry – Choshek Gen 1:2 – came a long time before Adan sinned Gen 3:6--------------------- D"Ra = Entropy – it is inherent to / a by-product of physical creation There is no god of evil who changed all of God’s Plan against God’s Will R" Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. SO these people were just dysfunctional and that is OK with GOD? I beg to remind you they were sinning. Excuse me – What an intelect you have - The did you forget the Flood of NoahRabbi Abahu suggests the chaotic, unformed earth and the chaotic waters described in Gen. 1:2 might have been the detritus of failed worlds, worlds that did not please God. We wonder: Why wasn’t God pleased? DUH – DUH – and GUHBecause of the creation of the First Archon – DUHJer 4 – is referring to the First Age – before physical creation - you deny it existedR" Yes and even allah is nearly spelled as ALAH, the Hebrew word for Father in the OT, "eloah", the Father is given different atributes of character....and this is wrong... I know who Allah is – when I asked you – you refused to answer The signs of a deep and meaningful study
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 15:28:45 GMT -5
I go to a lot of trouble to research Jewish stuff in order to show you how wrong your thinking is, and all you post is DUH, duh and duh.
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Rabbi Abahu suggests the chaotic, unformed earth and the chaotic waters described in Gen. 1:2 might have been the detritus of failed worlds, worlds that did not please God.
We wonder: Why wasn’t God pleased?
Perhaps in previous Creations, those versions of humanity might not have grasped hold of the fruit and eaten their way out into the world. Eternally children, they would not become equal partners with God in the struggle of Existence. As the Holy One thirsted for relationship and new insights, that humanity provided little possibility of growing in Divine wisdom. So God simply started over."
R" This Rabbi says 2 things against your view Dave:
(1) Earth existed already because some children sinned before us and so GOD simply started over, according to the Rabbi (2) The Rabbi agrees creatures did not grasp being equal partners with God...
Hence we read in Ezekiel, some cherub (children of God) did not like being partners with God so sinned. And God simply started over, the Rabbi says.
Didn't you grasp his message?
Shalom
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