satan vrs satanas

[Dave]

Column #1 the pagan 99%	Column #2 the faithful 1%
The Left Hand of God	The Right Hand of God
The hand of discipline and mystery	The hand of instruction and salvation
Never formally introduced to YHWY	God’s Chosen People
Never heard from God	God spoke directly to the patriarchs God spoke through Prophets
Rom 1:19-20/Psa19:1 a creator is obvious	God gave His people the Torah/Instruction
Gen 1:1	Gen 1:1 God is the only creator God created the heavens and the earth Heavens as in invisible dimensions of higher order The host of heaven are ethereal / non-corporeal Earth as in physical creation / corporeal God created man and the angels
Gen 1:2 The Holy Spirit created a sentient being with some matter – The First Archon – the Beast / devil Rev 12:3 – the Beast appeared in a plurality Gnostic First Archon and his offspring (bane elohiym of Gen 6) Gnostic because they are made from WORLD and only desire WORLD The first though was of self only – me – (yester ra)	God cast it to earth – physical creation = Rev 12:7
Job 38:7 …, and all the sons of God shouted H7321 רוּעַ - rûa‛ - to mar, figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (sounded an alarm, war cry)	Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, …
Creation to the 99% = the WORLD Creation to the 99% = Rev 12:3 Creation stories from the 99% are filled with obvious fable	YHWY is the One True God / Creator Science validates the sequence of Gen 1 Incremental Creation
Without knowing YHWY – any spiritual being that could perform a parlor trick became a god These ‘other gods’ / non-god Gods are the creator They are created beings The 33 other gods of the Levant are created beings The gods (always plural) of the 99% are Jewish shedim – false gods King Solomon tells us they control the wind and storms / rain / disease / fertility and child mortality Just as all ancient gods claimed The gods of the 99% needed houses Temples and food offerings Many of the gods of the 99% claim to be from space – star people – aliens – UFOs All of the alien gods practice – human breeding experiments Ancient gods and space god both practiced chimeras

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Chaldean satanas	Hebrew satan
No ancient god had a protagonist – no personal enemy Yes – they fought among themselves for power and control – but there was never the concept of an anti-god	ahl satan is an angel of the Lord in the service of the Lord helping to facilitate God Will and the heavenly prosecutor – preventing the unworthy from entering heaven
The gods of the 99% have many spirits Spirits of the wind, good fortune, etc They also have trouble making spirits Spirits of the storms – gods withhold the rain Poltergeist – Jinn – shades – spooks – devils Things that make life hard for man Satanas = is not a Chaldean person it is Chaldean devils (pl)	Yes the ahl has spirits – but doesn’t say much The serpent was in the garden – Gen 3:15 God commands evil spirits to do things God uses them like a tool The only Jewish version we have = King Solomon Beelzebub and his shedim - devils
Israel become slaves to Egypt	Gen 15:13 Then He said to Abram, “Know for certain that your seed will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and they will be enslaved and oppressed 400 years.
The Nephilim reestablish themselves in the 7 tribes of Amorite - Rephiem	Gen 15:16 Then in the fourth generation they will return here—for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.” 1Sa 15:3 Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Jdg 2:1 Now the angel of Adonai came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and He said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and took you into the land which I swore to your fathers. I also said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you.
Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done?
Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”

And here come the part of the ahl Christian churches will not teach - and their gods will be a snare to you.

Tammuz – son of Nimrod Born at the winter equinox Dec 25th (Catholic Christmas) Killed at age 40 (Catholic Lent) and ascended His mother Ishtar – came to earth in an egg At the spring equinox (Catholic Easter) Changed a bird into an egg laying rabbit And today children play with Easter eggs and enjoy a traditional ham dinner	Ezk 8 – the ABOMINATION Women weeping for Tammuz in the Temple
Around 200BC Antiochus issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice	Pagan worship return to the Temple Pigs are sacrifice in the Temple to Tammuz Law of Moses – touching the skin of a dead pig is a sin – why – because it is the sacrificial animal of Tammuz 164 BC Maccabean revolt And the temple is rededicated - Chanukah

New Testament

	Mat 5:17-21 Jesus did not come to change anything When Jesus spoke of Beelzebub – it was common knowledge – everyone knew who he was talking about
Evil spirts were present plaguing the people No one worship these evil spirits – they just cause trouble The evil spirits know exactly who Jesus really is	Jesus cast them out Jesus has authority over them
Satanas – the god of this WORLD tempted Jesus with the WORLD	Mat 4:7 Yeshua said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put Adonai your God to the test.’"
All satanas had to offer is the WORLD All satanas has to offer man = wealth, health, and power in this WORLD	Jesus says – be not of this WORLD but long for the next

Rome

	First Century Messianic Judaism grew and spread to the Gentiles Paul instructs – if Jewish Law is a stumbling block for the Gentile – let it go – the point is not to follow the Law – but to love the Law and then it is followed automatically
90 AD St Irenaeus of France begins the index and by 300 AD is has been expanded by Rome Literature from First century Messianic Jews is to be burnt anywhere found – and First century Messianic Jews must be eliminated
364 AD Rome moves the Sabbath to Saturn – day And passes the decree – Christian must not Judaize	The Coptic Christians walk away from Rome and return to the desert to invent Monasticism (seek God alone and through prayer)
Under Constantine Roman Catholic priest started getting paid by the state – state control of the people from the pulpit
Under Rome – you are not allowed to read the Bible – they will tell you what it says	Coptic Origin had a six language interlinear Bible available in Egypt
Rome edits all scripture and reduces all theology into their catechism	The Coptics saved everything Didn’t even translate it – all original
Enoch, Book of Creation, Book of Giants, Jubilees, King Solomon, Paul, John, James, Peter, Phillip, and Thomas are all called heretics and their writing banned for Roman Catholicism	The Nag Hammdi Library was deliberately hidden The Dead Sea Scroll was also lost
Rome invents ‘Fallen Angels’ and makes agl satanas a god	Rome usurps Christianity by force ahl satan is still an angel of the Lord and still in the service of the Lord and still helping to facilitate God Will and still the heavenly prosecutor – preventing the unworthy from entering heaven
Everything in Column #1 the 99% is a lie All ancient gods – all space gods all other god anything is just a myth Replaced with Fallen angels rose up against the one true creator and they are out to get you – because they are evil and they hate God
Fallen angels suggest they created themselves	Col 1:16 all made by Him for Him
Some go so far as to say – all the evidence of Rom 1:19-20 or Psa 19:1 is just the result of sin and ra There are two gods locked in an eternal battel The Great Controversy Just the pagan religion Doastism / Zoroasterism The dreaded yin –yang	Coptic Christians are still the same living Islam Syrian Christians are the same living with Islam Jesus did not come to change a thing – just opens salvation to all
All the other gods of the Levant are very real Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real All the other gods of the Levant are still here Mohammond gathered them all together and placed then in the Kaba claiming the Allah is their supreme leader	Eph 6:12

Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done?
Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’”

Rome assumes religious authority of the Western Judeo-Christian Culture
Dec 25th - Christmas in celebration of Tammuz Weep for 40 days for Tammuz - Lent No Passover – but Easter w/Easter eggs and Ham
The Law of Moses – overwritten by a New Covenant
Division + more division + protestant reformation + the great awakening + 2500 official Church denominations all preaching a different religion
The revelation of alien life will upset traditional religion Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real
Governments are moving toward “Full Disclosure” Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real
People are falling away from the faith in droves Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real
Spiritualist are gaining favor over church doctrine Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real
There are many attacks upon the faith from many sources	Denial – Robert even tried to deny the truth of Eph 6:12
All the other gods of the Levant are very real Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real	Eph 6:12
All the other gods of the Levant are still here Mohammed gathered them all together and placed then in the Kaba claiming the Allah is their supreme leader	Allah / Islam
Roman Christians think Rome the ant-Christ Divide and concur – fight with itself	Coptic Christians are still the same living Islam Syrian Christians are the same living with Islam
Many deny it is scriptural	Today – Israel is once again a nation
Christians are not taught about – other gods, or Allah, or Islam Denial – imaginary – don’t look at them – not real	Today – Israel is again surrounded by nations that worship the gods of the Levant
Today while fractured Christian fight against themselves and look at Rome as the anti-Christ	Today – Israel is again surrounded by nations that worship the gods of the Levant
	Exk 47 – Commercial fishing returned to the Dead Sea
Today – more people believe in UFOs and Space Aliens – than in angels from heaven or God Even the Pope has made concessions for them	1Ti 4:1 Now the Ruach clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, following deceitful spirits and teachings of demons

[Dave]

Hebrew Satan
H7854 Hebrew satan –of Hebrew origin
Found in 23 ahl verses
15 times it’s translated as satan
8 times it’s translated as adversary

Outline of Biblical Usage
1-adversary, one who withstands
2-adversary (in general - personal or national)
3-superhuman adversary
4-Satan (as noun pr)

1Ki 5:4 But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.

1 King 5:4 indicated that Hebrew satan H7854 and evil are two different things

G4566 satan – the transliteration of H7854 - Found in only one verse on the agl

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

If you employ the Robert Method H7854 always means H7854
God’s heavenly prosecutor
A servant of the Lord – helping to facilitate God’s Will

Chaldean satanas –
G4567 Chaldean origin – Found 33 times within the agl

Outline of Biblical Usage
1-adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to
2-the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ
3-he incites apostasy from God and to sin
4-circumventing men by his wiles
5-the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
6-by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases
7-by God's assistance he is overcome
8-on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
9-a Satan-like man

If you employ the Robert Method G4567 always means G4567 a Chaldean devil

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satanas, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satanas, and bound him a thousand years,

The Beast – The Great Red Dragon of Rev 12:3 – the First Archon
The Devil = a general of the Great Red Dragon, the Beast – an archon
The serpent = of the Great Red Dragon, the Beast – archon
Satanas = a devil archon of the Great Red Dragon, the Beast

Therefore – the Great Red Dragon – The Beast – The Devil – The Serpent – and satanas all all of one family archon

They are the god’s of the Chaldeans
Satanas is a Chaldean devil

Satan – dictionary.com
the chief evil spirit; the great adversary of humanity; the devil.
The Beast – his generals – and his army of archon
A description of Chaldean satan only

Satan – Merriam Webster
the rebellious angel who in Christian belief is the adversary of God and lord of evil
The Beast – his generals – and his army of archon
A description of Chaldean satan only

The adversary to Israel was always the gods of the 99% - the gods of the Chaldeans
Who are the ‘other gods’ of the Levant – Baal, Molech, Dogon, Chermush (33 in all)
Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.

They are all created beings – who selfishly desire worship – pseudo-gods
They are they devils – they are the serpents – they are the of the Beast – they are agents of the Great Red Dragon – they are Chaldean satanas

If – you use the Robert Method for H7854 – you get satan the servant of the Lord
If you use the Robert method for G4567 – you get satanas a Chaldean devil
2 totally different creatures of different origins

If you study scripture only in English – you will never see the difference between H7854/G4566 and G4567
If you study scripture only in English – you will tricked into falling for Catholic Fallen Angels – which rewrites all of the ahl to empower satan as a strong authority equal with God Himself
And this is what Rome and it KJV teach – Catholic Fallen Angels
Proof that you can fall from God’s Grace
Proof that God is NOT in control
Proof that creatures are able to re-create themselves and change their God given assignments within creation

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.

Gen 1:2 Now the earth was chaos and waste, darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the surface of the water.

Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light!” and there was light.

Rev 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to His throne.

Satanas
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (Principalities / archon), against the powers,
Our struggle is against the WORLD and the forces that rule this WORLD
The Beast, the Devil, and Satanas are all created beings that were the gods and devils of the Chaldeans

Chaldean satanas – G4567 Chaldean origin – Found 33 times within the agl
If I could change the Bible – all 33 agl references to G4567 would be The Devil
agl satanas (The devil) has nothing to do with God’s heavenly prosecutor of the ahl satan H7854

Fact = We are told many times in scripture – God/Christ created everything – there was nothing created that was not created by Him for Him
Fact = We are told about God creating the heavens, the earth, the firmament, the plants, the birds, the fish, the crawling animals, the beast of the field, and man

Fact = But the Beast just appeared in heaven – Why?

Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.

Answer
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Jewish = One is of the Right hand – and one is of the Left hand
Gnostics say =

Authoritative Teaching
And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.

The Hypostasis of the Archons
Now all these things came to pass by the will of the father of the entirety.
…
But I said, "Sir, teach me about the faculty of these authorities – how did they come into being, and by what kind of genesis, and of what material, and who created them and their force?"

And the great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: "Within limitless realms dwells incorruptibility. Sophia, who is called Pistis, wanted to create something, alone without her consort; and her product was a celestial thing. A veil exists between the world above and the realms that are below; and shadow came into being beneath the veil; and that shadow became matter; and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created became a product in the matter, like an aborted fetus. And it assumed a plastic form molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it was from matter that it derived.

Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me". When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" – which is, 'god of the blind'.

And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter.

This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I who am god of the entirety."

And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are mistaken, Sakla!" – for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth. She breathed into his face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth and cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss.

Answer
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Jewish = One is of the Right hand – and one is of the Left hand
Gnostics say = The Right is of God – The Left hand is of the HS

Question – why would God create both the tov and the ra
Gnostic answer – God created the heavens (invisible / incorruptible / ethereal) and the earth (visible corruptible physical creation)
Jewish – God created the tov by the Right Hand and the ra by the Left hand
Gnostic – God created the tov – and the HS created the Beast of Rev 12:3 – ra – entropy

All of this is 100% Jewish – 100% Christian – 100% Gnostic
And 0% Catholic Fallen Angels - which is a satan-centric new religion that misrepresents the ahl as well as the agl - and attempts to hide/cover up/ help protect the identity of our true enemy - This WORLD and the ARCHON in the WORLD - Principalities - Shades - Jinn - Shedim all of them god's/devils of the 99%

[Dave]

Word study satan –vrs- satanas

HEBREW SATAN
www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7853/nkjv/wlc/0-1/
G4566 Σατάν
Of Hebrew origin שָׂטָן (H7854)

H7854 שָׂטָן - śāṭān
1- adversary, one who withstands
2- adversary (in general - personal or national)
3- superhuman adversary
4- Satan (as noun pr)
5- From שָׂטַן (H7853) - Qal) to be or act as an adversary, resist, oppose

H7854 – Hebrew satan is used in 23 ahl/OT verses
Robert and I went through each and every verse – in each case Hebrew satan was an angel of the Lord in service of the Lord
Jews and mainstream Christians call Hebrew satan the heavenly prosecutor

G4566 – Hebrew satan is used only once in the agl/NT
2Co 12:7 (TLV) even in the extraordinary quality of the revelations. So that I would not exalt myself, a thorn in the flesh was given to me—a a messenger of satan to torment me, so I would not exalt myself.
2Co 12:7 (KJV) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Consistent with ahl/OT uses – a reminder –from the prosecutor

CHALDEAN SATANAS
www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7853/nkjv/wlc/0-1/
G4567 Σατανᾶς
Of Aramaic origin
G4567 is used 33 times in thr ahl/NT – in each verse Chaldean satanas =

1- adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to
2- the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ
3- he incites apostasy from God and to sin
4- circumventing men by his wiles
5- the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
6- by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases
7- by God's assistance he is overcome
8- on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
9- a Satan-like man


greeklexicon.org/lexicon/strongs/4567/
G4567 Σατανᾶς
Derivation: of Chaldee origin corresponding to H4566 (with the definite affix);
Definition: the accuser, i.e. the devil

G4567 Σατανᾶς = H4566 = work(s) deed(s)

H4566 – מַעְבָּד - From H5647; an act: - work.
H4567 – מַעְבָד - (Chaldee); corresponding to H4566; an act: - work.
H5647 – עָבַד - A primitive root; to work

H4566 is used only once in the ahl/OT
Job 34:25 (TLV) Thus He recognizes their deeds, He overturns them in the night and they are crushed.
Job 34:25 (KJV) Therefore he knoweth their works, and he overturneth them in the night, so that they are destroyed.
Job 34:25 (YLT) Therefore He knoweth their works, And He hath overturned by night, And they are bruised.

Job 34:25 (LXX) ὁ γνωρίζων αὐτῶν τὰ ἔργα καὶ στρέψει νύκτα, καὶ ταπεινωθήσονται.
G2041 - ἔργον - From ἔργω ergō (a primary but obsolete word; to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication an act: - deed, doing, labour, work.

Conclusion
Hebrew satan (H7854) - Robert and I went through each and every verse – in each case Hebrew satan was an angel of the Lord in service of the Lord
Jews and mainstream Christians call Hebrew satan the heavenly prosecutor
Hebrew satan appears only once in the agl/NT as a reminder to man

Chaldean satanas is the agl?NT ”Prince of this world”, “The devil”, “the Principalities of the agl?NT” – the Beast of Revelation – that ancient serpent (of the garden) – called devil and satanas
Chaldean satanas appears 33 times in the agl/NT – and in each verse he is the prince of this world – the devil – NT satan
Chaldean satanas is referenced only once in the ahl/OT – as works / deeds (WORLD)

Hebrew satan and Chaldean satanas are two different entities – two different origins – two different definitions – two different functions within creation

Questions for Robert
All through the ahl/OT there are many verses about other gods – there are verses about Lilith and the shedim, there are verses about the satyrs – they have names – Basl. Bel, Molech, Dogon, Chermush, Beelzebub, etc
Why doesn’t scripture just say Hebrew satan in all these verses?

[Dave]

Jan 5, 2022 13:41:52 GMT -5 @robertt said:

D"The Bible hub definition is incomplete
G4567 Σατανᾶς is of Chaldee origin
G4566 Σατᾶν is of Hebrew origin
R" I have asked you for a serious detailed study of this satan/satanas problem you have, and all I get is three lines from Dave.

That is not a serious study Dave, can't you defend your view? Obviously not.

Gosh Robert – I have attempted to have SERIOUS STUDY with you for more than 2 years now – you refuse

You came here spouting – precept upon precept, line upon line
So we tried your method –

Jan 29, 2020 16:23:50 GMT -5 Dave said:

Dec 27, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5 @robertt said:

So the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough
So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD?
Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture?

This thread was started to explore who does satan oppose / accuse
I have dealt with my 49 verses
I have answered your 23 verses
Why do you refuse to go through each line and explain to me how each line represents a satan that is anti-God or opposes God – or even disobeys God

You don’t because you Can’t – because satan is not God’s opponent in a war
Satan is God’s obedient servant helping God facilitate God’s plan

Please prove to me that satan is God’s opponet – here are the verses

And your answer is

All your "hoo har" over 49 verses verses 23, doesn't matter, I need only one verse, apart from Ezek and Isa, I have Rev 12. There was war in heaven?

At least we have discovered the value of line by line – it doesn’t matter if it goes against Catholic doctrine

Hebrew H7854 satan only appears 23 times in the ahl/OT
In your Erasmus Greek JKV only 15 times is it translated as satan
7 times as Adversary
1 time as Withstand
NEVER is the phrase THE SATAN used in your Erasmus Greek JKV ahl/OT

R" I have asked you for a video or scholar study proving this idea, You have not done this?
LIE – under the heading - Gnostic Sermon – there are about 12 videos directly on POINT
The definition of Hebrew satan =

Jan 4, 2022 1:35:44 GMT -5 Dave said:

Word study satan –vrs- satanas

HEBREW SATAN
www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7853/nkjv/wlc/0-1/
G4566 Σατάν
Of Hebrew origin שָׂטָן (H7854)

H7854 שָׂטָן - śāṭān
1- adversary, one who withstands
2- adversary (in general - personal or national)
3- superhuman adversary
4- Satan (as noun pr)
5- From שָׂטַן (H7853) - Qal) to be or act as an adversary, resist, oppose

H7854 – Hebrew satan is used in 23 ahl/OT verses
Robert and I went through each and every verse – in each case Hebrew satan was an angel of the Lord in service of the Lord
Jews and mainstream Christians call Hebrew satan the heavenly prosecutor

G4566 – Hebrew satan is used only once in the agl/NT
2Co 12:7 (TLV) even in the extraordinary quality of the revelations. So that I would not exalt myself, a thorn in the flesh was given to me—a a messenger of satan to torment me, so I would not exalt myself.
2Co 12:7 (KJV) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Consistent with ahl/OT uses – a reminder –from the prosecutor

You refuse this definition – you argue against Jewish theology
You argue against mainstream Christian theology
Every commentary of Zec 3 (Jewish or Christian) satan is an angel of the Lord acting as the heavenly prosecutor
You cannot let this stand – so you twist and turn to force the scripture to fit your doctrine

Every commentary of the Book of Job (Jewish or Christian) satan is an angel of the Lord helping to facilitate God’s Will / God’s Plan
You cannot let this stand – so you twist and turn to force the scripture to fit your doctrine

Hebrew satan is an angel of the Lord in service to the Lord – no more no less
Every pre-Roman commentary agrees with Jewish theology
You cannot let this stand – so you twist and turn to force the scripture to fit your doctrine

Jeff Brenner is correct – the ahl/OT is written for the community – to God’s chosen people – to the nation is Israel
1- Hebrew satan is not their enemy – he is an angel of the Lord in service to the Lord
2- the enemy to the nation = other nations, with their ‘other-gods’
3- 33 ‘other-god’ by name = who are the ‘other-gods’ / pagan gods of the Levant
4- King Solomon – yield more detail about Beelzebub and the shedim
5- the ahl/OT itself validates the reality of Lilith, the shedim, and satyrs

6- Both King Solomon and Enoch were 100% common knowledge as theology at the time of Christ
7- Jesus Christ Himself validates King Solomon’s Beelzebub and quotes Enoch
You cannot let this stand – so deny information – attack the source – do whatever you have to do – deny whatever you need to – so you can twist and turn to force the scripture to fit your doctrine

Jan 4, 2022 1:35:44 GMT -5 Dave said:

Word study satan –vrs- satanas
CHALDEAN SATANAS
www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7853/nkjv/wlc/0-1/
G4567 Σατανᾶς
Of Aramaic origin
G4567 is used 33 times in thr ahl/NT – in each verse Chaldean satanas =

1- adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to
2- the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ
3- he incites apostasy from God and to sin
4- circumventing men by his wiles
5- the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
6- by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases
7- by God's assistance he is overcome
8- on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
9- a Satan-like man

greeklexicon.org/lexicon/strongs/4567/
G4567 Σατανᾶς
Derivation: of Chaldee origin corresponding to H4566 (with the definite affix);
Definition: the accuser, i.e. the devil

G4567 Σατανᾶς = H4566 = work(s) deed(s)

H4566 – מַעְבָּד - From H5647; an act: - work.
H4567 – מַעְבָד - (Chaldee); corresponding to H4566; an act: - work.
H5647 – עָבַד - A primitive root; to work

H4566 is used only once in the ahl/OT
Job 34:25 (TLV) Thus He recognizes their deeds, He overturns them in the night and they are crushed.
Job 34:25 (KJV) Therefore he knoweth their works, and he overturneth them in the night, so that they are destroyed.
Job 34:25 (YLT) Therefore He knoweth their works, And He hath overturned by night, And they are bruised.

Job 34:25 (LXX) ὁ γνωρίζων αὐτῶν τὰ ἔργα καὶ στρέψει νύκτα, καὶ ταπεινωθήσονται.
G2041 - ἔργον - From ἔργω ergō (a primary but obsolete word; to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication an act: - deed, doing, labour, work.

Chaldean satanas is the agl?NT ”Prince of this world”, “The devil”, “the Principalities of the agl?NT” – the Beast of Revelation – that ancient serpent (of the garden) – called devil and satanas
Chaldean satanas appears 33 times in the agl/NT – and in each verse he is the prince of this world – the devil – NT satan
Chaldean satanas is referenced only once in the ahl/OT – as works / deeds (WORLD)

The phrase THE SATAN is NEVER used in the agl/NT

YES agl/NT satanas – who is also called the devil – who is actually the serpent race / Beast of Revelation

Jan 4, 2022 1:35:44 GMT -5 Dave said:

Word study satan –vrs- satanas
Conclusion
Hebrew satan (H7854) - Robert and I went through each and every verse – in each case Hebrew satan was an angel of the Lord in service of the Lord
Jews and mainstream Christians call Hebrew satan the heavenly prosecutor
Hebrew satan appears only once in the agl/NT as a reminder to man

Chaldean satanas is the agl/NT ”Prince of this world”, “The devil”, “the Principalities of the agl/NT” – the Beast of Revelation – that ancient serpent (of the garden) – called devil and satanas
Chaldean satanas appears 33 times in the agl/NT – and in each verse he is the prince of this world – the devil – NT satan
Chaldean satanas is referenced only once in the ahl/OT – as works / deeds (WORLD)

Hebrew satan and Chaldean satanas are two different entities – two different origins – two different definitions – two different functions within creation

You cannot let this stand – so deny information – attack the source – do whatever you have to do – deny whatever you need to – so you can twist and turn to force the scripture to fit your doctrine

Jan 5, 2022 14:28:52 GMT -5 @robertt said:

R" Yes technically maybe, but who agrees with this idea Dave? Show me a link?
R" I have asked you for a video or scholar study proving this idea, You have not done this?

There are many references on this forum supporting the Jewish theology
It was the theology of Jesus Christ, his audience, his disciples, and the pre-Roman Messianic Christians

The only person denying scripture is you
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.

Rev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
Rev 12:2 She is pregnant—crying out in birth pains, in agony to give birth.
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.

the great dragon … the ancient serpent, called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world. He was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

All of the WORLD knows this - The only person denying scripture is you


Bhima's Stove - Evidence of Giants In India (Nephilim Proof)

[Dave]

Who is the beast of Revelation?

First - What is meant by “The Whole World?”

American capitalism will never dominate the whole world
Chinese communism will never dominate the whole world
Russian socialism will never dominate the whole world
Roman Christendom will never dominate the whole world
Islam will never dominate the whole world
The UN will never force Israel to give up its promised land
Before any of this would happen WWIII would be the end of humanity

In scripture The Whole World never meant Australia or the Americas – or even China
In scripture the Whole world meant the Levant – The Middle East – the Mediterranean basin
The land between Egypt and Persia

Scripture is Israel Centric – not Rome Centric – not Western Judeo-Christendom Centric
Rome has never conquered Nebacanezzer’s Kingdom – The Ottoman Empire has

Rome is not again threatening Israel again today – The Ottoman Empire is

Rome is not a divided kingdom held together by force – an Islamic caliphate is
The Whole World will never be drunk on Rome-Centric – Judeo-Christian wine
The Whole World is addicted to Middle Eastern oil!




Who is the beast of Revelation? | GotQuestions.org
11/19/2019 - 4:09 min

No mention of satan
The Beast = the world system, 10 nations, 10 Kingdoms, 10 Kings – that have fallen and rise again (future) – it is a divided kingdom with two legs and feet made of myrery clay (held together by force)
The Beast will be the personal enemy of Israel and war against Israel
100% consistent with Islam, a form of government, that fell and will rise again – Ottoman Empire


United Nations "Beast" Sculpture is a Warning of THIS!! (Daniel 7)
12/11/2021 - 13:03 min

No mention of satan
The Beast = the world system, 10 nations, 10 Kingdoms, 10 Kings – that have fallen and rise again (future) – it is a divided kingdom with two legs and feet made of myrery clay (held together by force)
The Beast will be the personal enemy of Israel and war against Israel
100% consistent with Islam, a form of government, that fell and will rise again – Ottoman Empire

The world system is built upon the well-meaning democratic model
(google) Israel population is equivalent to 0.11% of the total world population. Israel ranks number 100 in the list of countries (and dependencies) by population.
(google) According to a study in 2020, Islam has 1.9 billion adherents, making up about 24.7% of the world population. Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (87–90%, roughly 1.7 billion people) or Shia (10–13%, roughly 180–230 million people).
(google) Islam is the official religion in 26 countries

Israel is outnumbered in the arena of democracy

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Interesting videos, the UN is good, silence...
The huge 1700 tonne rock leaning...

OK nice Dave.

Do you have a video showing satan is different as a term from satanas?

I cannot find any evidence of your claim on the WWW so I am asking you if you have any?

Shalom

[Dave]

Interesting videos, the UN
Scripture alive on the world stage for all to see – Recognize what is in your sight

Do you have a video showing satan is different as a term from satanas?
Long ago – I told you that when in Washington State for work – I visited

gnosticcenter.com/
Gnosis lives in deeds, withers away in abstractions, and is difficult to find even in the noblest of thoughts

They hold mass, they had classes, and they had an open Library – I dedicated an entire weekend exploring.
1- The document library was on MICRO-FISH – do you know what that is?
People used micro-fish and ditto machines at the same era
Its like reading with a large microscope

2- Their video library – was ancient gnostic – just what Rabbi Singer described
I watched parts of several – nothing that called to me – just what rabbi Singer described

But all of it centered upon the Hypostatis of the Archon
Will it say what you want - NO

Dec 18, 2019 11:29:38 GMT -5 rakovsky said:

Dave,
On the Ancient Hebrew ProBoards Forum, I posted a long list of Christian Gnostic movies and documentaries, like ones about Simon Magus, Mary Magdalene, the apostle Thomas, and a others like The Holy Mountain (1973) and I, Pet Goat II. But now the Ancient Hebrew Forum (http://ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/board/) is down. I don't know if you happened to keep the list. I don't know if there is any way to get the list back, either.
Peace.

I did not know his list – not sure what they were – might have been Russian/Belarus

gnosis.org/lectures.html
Gnostic Society – Los Angeles, California: Audio and Video Lectures Online
This is not a Christian centered organization – when they speak they include all ancient gnostic literature of many unknown (forgotten) authors

I am a Gnostic Christian – a Christian (Messianic Jew want-a-be)
My theology = Jewish Theology + Jesus Christ as the Messiah- and the Gospel of the agl
James, John, Paul, and Peter are authors of the agl/NT
James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, and Mary are authors of the agl/ Nag Hammadi

Of 48 books in the library – 20-23 are pro-Valentinus / pro- New Testament Gospel
Of those 20-23 books only 11 are directly connected to James, John, Paul, Peter, Phillip, Thomas,
Several of the text are very pro-Sethian

Valentinus – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – Gen 6 were angelic
Sethian – no spirit – no hope – only grave – Gen 6 were sons of Seth

Gnostic Society – Los Angeles, California: Audio and Video Lectures Online
I have never seen any of their stuff – but I am unafraid of information

Titles include

Occult and Mystical Roots of Depth Psychology. The Mesmeric-Hypnotic Revolution: Mesmer, Christian Science, New-Thought, "Metaphysics"; followed by early psychologists William James, Pierre Janet, Theodore Flournoy. Psyche and Psychical Research.

Altered States Ancient and Modern
Aids to consciousness have so much history it takes 13 titles in this set to cover this controversial subject. This brief lecture lays a foundation for a Gnostic understanding of this topic.

These two will be 100% David Ike – the system – the media – the information stream force at us from all sides is altering our perception – telling us what to think – keep us busy so we do not notice the larger conspiracy

Freemasonry, the Spiritual Patron of the U.S.A. The Masonic foundations of early America. The philosophy of Freemasonry. The Hiramic Legend. Franklin, Washington: Were the founding Fathers really Brothers (of the Craft)?

Death and Its Meaning in Gnosis and Consciousness. This lecture is being delivered on All Soul's Day, known in many places as the "Day of the Dead". An ancient saying declares: "Memento Mori (Remember Death)". We shall contemplate mystical and Gnostic aspects of the mystery of transition.

Gnosticism: New Light on the Ancient Tradition of Inner Knowing
Dr. Hoeller introduces the subject of his latest book of the same title. An excellent brief introduction to the Gnostic Tradition. (This lecture introduces not only our 10-lecture album "The Wisdom of the Gnostics", but all of our recordings on Gnosticism by Stephan A. Hoeller)

The Greatest Treasures of Nag Hammadi
"Thomas and Philip: Gospels of the Gnostic Christ" is a free, full-length presentation introducing the ten part set of lectures on the most popular and valued writings from the Nag Hammadi Library, the Gnostic writings found in Egypt in 1945.

I will watch this one with you – rip it up

An Introduction to The Gospel of Judas
Dr. Hoeller regards "The Gospel of Judas" as an important and very Gnostic document, and gives his preliminary evaluation in this brief talk. A series in four parts on the "Gospel of Judas" was delivered Summer 2006, and is available in disk and in download formats.

NO – not part of the Nag Hammadi
This is a bunch of Roman – Caesars Messiah misdirection
I wasted my money on one – I have never made it all the way through without wanting to scream

Tolkien and "The Lord of the Rings"
Gnosis and Creativity merged in this great work by J.R.R. Tolkien. A 7 part set, it is introduced by this brief presentation.

Now why would this be here?
Middle Earth – the age of dragon, dinos, wizards, Archon and Nephilim, = Adam to Noah
All based in myth – but that myth = the Memoirs of Noah

Of all of this – the only one that interest me first - The Greatest Treasures of Nag Hammadi
It is a 10 part lecture series – and I have no idea what it says

I just read it for my self - seams straight forward

I have never seen any of their stuff – but I am unafraid of information
I will watch this one with you – rip it up

If you want to see the Jewish version – there are 10,000 youtube videos of Enoch
You might want to start with this one

Jud 1:14 It was also about these people that Enoch, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with myriads of His kedoshim,
Jud 1:15 to execute judgment against all. He will convict all the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds that they have done in an ungodly way, and for all of the harsh things ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”


The Prophecy of Enoch You Have Never Heard Of - You Might Want To Watch This Right Away
12:55 min – equates Enoch with the Book of Revelation
This video was offered to youbefore

Interesting point – the Gospels presents Jesus Christ as the Compassionate Lamb
The Book of Revelation – presents Jesus Christ as the JUDGE – end times
The Book of Enoch also – presents Jesus Christ as the JUDGE – end times
Both – unliked
Revelation made it – but it is not preached because its complicated

Instead of presenting Jesus Christ as the JUDGE – end times – Christians hold vigils and pray for world peace

Dead Sea Scrolls – War Scroll – the final battel – end times – sons of light vrs sons of darkness
Deas Sea Scrolls – Copper Scroll – why isn’t there a treasure hunt underway?
Answer – the Ark of the Covenant

youtu.be/eDWgDpZHArY
Enoch's Ten Week Prophecy
12:19 min - (word for word read from Enoch – nice voice)

youtu.be/q2SEI_mR1vc
The Prophecy Of Enoch - God's FINAL WARNING To The LAST Generation
Lions of Judah – 12:43 min – slow but gets better

What does the Nag Hammadi add to this
All context for the text =

The Book of Revelation – presents Jesus Christ as the JUDGE – end times
The Book of Enoch also – presents Jesus Christ as the JUDGE – end times
Dead Sea Scrolls – War Scroll – the final battel – end times

It is all about Eph 6:12 – our personal struggle against the archon
Know your enemy and they lose their power of you

As for the Nephilim
Chuck Missler – Gen 6
ponderingconfusion.proboards.com/thread/540/gen-6-chuck-missler

Do you have a video showing satan is different as a term from satanas?
None of these videos are about Roman satan – or even Hebrew satan
All of this is about the Archon

Enoch’s prophesy doesn’t start until chapter 90 – the beginning of the Book is all about Gen 6
Enoch calls them Watchers – they see us – they watch us – they ran ramped over us
Like alien and UFOs on the moon
“Just outside our field of vision there are entities that are anything but human and they have been manipulating this world from the outside for eons” – David Ike

On this forum there are 12 Rabbinic videos about Hebrew satan
None of these videos are about Roman satan

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I am trying to find studies evaluating the difference between satan and satanas....

delevensschool.org/en/character-satan-according-greek-terminology/

The character of Satan according to Greek terminology
Two names are used in the Nieuwe Testament for the adversary of God, i.e.:

Satan – ‘satanas’ in Greek.
devil – ‘diabolos’ in Greek.
Satan in the terminology:
Satan is the translation of the Greek ‘satanas’.
According to the OLB ‘satanas’ is:

a noun.
of Aramaic origin, corresponding to the Hebrew ‘Satan’ (with the definite article).
to be translated as: adversary (someone who opposes someone else in intention and indeed)
the name given to the ruler of the evil spirits.
‘Satanas’ is found in 28 Bible verses and is invariably translated as ‘Satan’.
‘Satanas’ is a noun according to the OLB.
In most of the Bible verses ‘satanas’ is preceded by an article, ‘the Satan’ thus.
The question can be asked here as well, as with ‘Satan’ in Hebrew, as to whether ‘satanas’ was indeed used as a proper name in the time of the New Testament, as is often the case in English.

Perhaps it would be better here too to replace ‘Satan’, or ‘the Satan’ by ‘adversary’, or ‘the adversary’; that reflects who he really is.

… and he (Jesus) was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan (the adversary). He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him. (Mark 1:13)

Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan (adversary)! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ (Matthew 4:10)

Satan sets himself up as an adversary, because he is always trying to turn people away from their good intentions.

Sometimes he tries to bring people to think wrong thoughts.
That is clear when he tempts Jesus in the wilderness and tries to persuade Him to be disobedient to His Father. (Matthew 4:1-11)

Sometimes he uses statements of other people, like Peter, statements to this end.

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!” Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
(Matthew 16:21-23) (A ‘stumbling block’ is also to be translated as: obstacle, trap, snare.)

Devil in the terminology:
Devil is the translation of ‘diabolos’.
According to the OLB ‘diabolos’ is:

an adjective.
to be translated as: inclined to slander, slanderous, false, accusing.
derived from the verb ‘diaballo’ (throw over, denigrate, speak badly of, make (a person) suspected, threaten).
Also applied as a metaphor to someone of whom it can be said that he fulfils the role of the devil.
It is clear that the word ‘diabolos’ comprises the idea of slander, speaking badly of someone.

‘Diabolos’ is found in 36 verses and is translated as ‘the devil’ in 33 verses.
There are three exceptions however (the devil applied as a metaphor):

(concerning deacons) In the same way, the women are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. (1 Timothy 3:11)

People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good … (2 Timothy 3:2-3)

Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. (Titus 2:3)

Because ‘diabolos’ is invariably used with an article and translated as ‘the devil’, the question can be asked here too as to whether people in the time of Jesus were thinking rather of ‘the slanderer’ or ‘someone speaking badly about someone else’.

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil (the slandere), and he will flee from you. (James 4:7)

It is clear that the Greek talks about ‘the slanderer’, ‘the accuser’.
The devil is still busy doing this to God, day and night.

The great dragon was hurled down – that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Revelation 12:9)

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses (kategoreo: accused) them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. (Revelation 12:10)

Because of Jesus God does not listen to all the gossip Satan, the devil, the adversary, the denigrator, comes before His throne with, as John writes in his first letter:

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate (parakletos: someone who prays for us, lawyer) with the Father – Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-2)

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www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/sermonette/id/2982/behind-enemy-lines-lucifer-helel-satan.htm

We are going to begin in Ephesians 6:12:

Ephesians 6:12 (New English Translation) For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

While the world is at odds, and leaders busy themselves with strategies to fight physical wars, it should come as no surprise to God's people that we are engaged in a great spiritual battle. In I Peter 5:8, Peter alerts us to be sober, to be alert, because your enemy, that is the adversary, the devil, like a roaring lion, is on the prowl, looking for someone to devour.

Wise military leaders never go into battle without carefully studying their opponents, if at all possible. They want to know how they operate, their character, their strengths and weaknesses, their methods and schemes, and so on. To be effective against the enemy, you must know your enemy so that you can be prepared to effectively counter his attacks.

But Satan, the deceiver, never likes to be revealed for who and what he is and how he operates. Yet we need to be informed because we are behind the enemy lines.

The Apostle Paul wrote in II Corinthians 2:11 that we are not ignorant of his schemes. But then he goes on to say later in that book, in II Corinthians 11:3, "But I am afraid, lest as the serpent, Satan, deceived Eve by his craftiness, your mind should be led astray."

We know that God names things for what they are. God reveals to us the Hebrew names of three great and powerful angels. They are Michael, Gabriel, and Helel. My main focus today is going to be on Helel. He was the anointed cherub that rebelled against God and which is now the enemy, and is so named "Satan."

But before we get into the meaning of the names that describe his character now, let's look at who he was originally. Turn with me over to Ezekiel 28, and we will begin this in verse 12:

Ezekiel 28:12-15 Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.

We see from this that he was one of the two cherubim whose wings covered the throne of God. We know that there were two because of the pattern that God gave to Moses for the Ark of the Covenant back in Exodus 25.

I want to look for just a minute at what a cherub actually looks like:

Ezekiel 1:5-10 Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward. As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.

So we see that these are pretty odd-looking creatures to us, but they are beautiful to God.

Ezekiel 10:14-15 Each one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, the second face the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. And the cherubim were lifted up. This was the living creature I saw by the River Chebar.

These were the cherubim that he saw in chapter 1. We know they are cherubs. The interesting thing here is that he leaves out the face of an ox, but he actually calls it the face of a cherub. It just made me wonder why. Maybe that's their dominant face. I do not know. But have you ever realized that when Israel came out of Egyptt, remember Aaron built the golden calf—a young bullock—to worship? For 400 years while Israel was in Egypt, the chief god of Egypt was Apis, a bull. Satan is pretty crafty, isn't he?

One more thing about the cherubim. Their four faces actually represent the physical creation. You have the man, who is dominant over all. You have the ox, which was dominant over the domestic animals. You have a lion, which is the king of the jungle, and an eagle, which is the king of the sky. I thought that was pretty interesting.

Please turn to Isaiah 14. We're going to see the cause of his fall:

Isaiah 14:12-14 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

Some translations, as we have heard before, say he may have meant he would be the Most High.

I want to bring something out here that I think is pretty interesting. In verse 12, he's referred to as "Lucifer." But the Hebrew word is helel. In the English version of the Bible, the name Lucifer appears only one time, and it's right here. But is that correct? Is that a correct translation? I always assumed that Lucifer was the Greek equivalent to helel. But guess what? "Lucifer" is not a Greek word. It's a Latin word, and it has exactly the same meaning as the Greek word phosphoros. They both mean "light-bearer" or "light-bringer." But this is not what the Hebrew word helel means, as we will see in just a minute. But I want to show you something very important.

II Peter 1:19 (New English Translation) Moreover, we possess the prophetic word as an altogether reliable thing. You do well if you pay attention to this as you would to a light shining in a murky place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

I think we all agree this is a reference to Jesus Christ. Well, the Greek word here for "morning star" is phosphoros, which means the same thing as Lucifer does in the Latin: light-bringer or light-bearer. The Latin Vulgate translates this as "Lucifer." Jesus is the Light-bearer or Light-bringer, not Helel!

It was in 405 AD that Jerome—who was a scholar, supposedly; also, he was baptized into the Catholic church—who was commissioned by the Pope to translate the Hebrew Bible into the Latin. That's when he gave this angel Helel the name "Lucifer," meaning "light-bearer" or "light-bringer."

Let's take a look at the Hebrew word helel. Some commentators say that it means "son of dawn" or "son of the morning." This is the only place that it actually appears in the Bible—here in Isaiah. It says there, "How are you fallen from heaven, O Helel, son of the morning?" As you know, angels are sometimes referred to as "sons of God." We see here that he was the son of, or the product of, his Creator, who was the true Light-bearer and Light-bringer. Not Helel.

Helel is derived from the primitive root word halal. You just change the e to an a. This word is used 165 times in the Old Testament, and is mostly translated as "praise," "glory," and "boast." This reveals actually a little more about him, because he was to praise and glorify God, as all His creatures are to do, but instead he became boastful and sought the praise and glory for himself, as we see right here in Isaiah 14. When the sin was found in him, God cast him back to Earth, where he had placed him on a throne, and He renamed him for what and who he truly is.

Now let's look at what he's now referred to. The first time "Lucifer" was mentioned in this spot here, that was 300 years after the last apostle had died. They never knew him as Lucifer, by the way. Here's what they knew him as. The title "Satan" occurs 53 times in 47 verses in the Bible. "Satan" is the Greek satanas, and it's derived directly from the Hebrew word satan, which means "adversary." That points to Satan as the opponent of God, of believers, and of all that is right and good. Satan may appear as an angel of light, as the apostle Paul told us in II Corinthians 11:14, where it says that he transforms himself into an angel of light. That word "transforms" means "disguises" himself, but it's only a sham of deception to further aid him in his work as the arch adversary and opponent of God.

In I Peter 5:8 (that I mentioned earlier), Satan is called, "your adversary, the "devil." Here the word "adversary" is not satanas, but antidikos. (I may not be pronouncing these words correctly; you can look them up and see if you can get them right.) This might be similar in meaning—and it is similar in meaning—but antidikos is more explicit. It actually specifically refers to an opponent in a lawsuit. God has indicted Satan for his sins, found him guilty, and sentenced him to the Lake of Fire.

The word "devil" is the Greek word diabolos, which means, "slanderer; defamer."

In Revelation 12:3, he is referred to as "the great red dragon." "Great" points of the magnitude of Satan's power and his activity in the world. "Red" emphasizes his murderous and bloodthirsty character, and his behavior throughout history. "Dragon" pictures his ferocious and intensely cruel nature. This name is especially related to his end-time character, when God removes all restraints and allows him to go his natural way to become what he naturally is.

I think the Great Tribulation is going to be a time when people are going to see him for what he really is. God is going to expose him. Then he's going to put him away for a while.

Have you ever wondered why God's going to release him after 1000 years? Why doesn't He just put him away for good? Well, I think the reason might be—I don't know if it's the only reason—that in the end, those people going into the Millennium are going to be able to see him for what he is, the great deceiver whom they have worshipped. And then they are going to know who the Lord is. But what happens after the 1000 years? There is a physical resurrection of people who will not have known this yet. So they, too, perhaps need to know who and what he is. God's going to show them. Then He's going to put him away for good in the Lake of Fire.

He's also referred to as "the serpent of old," and this clearly identifies him as Satan and draws our attention to his crafty character and his constant activity of temptation and deception.

He's called "the evil one." in I John 5:19. Here the word "evil" is the Greek word poneros, and it's an active noun that points to an active and a malignant kind of evil. He is like a cancer to the human race.

In Galatians 1:4, Paul calls this present age "evil." The point is that Satan is the reason this age will never improve—because it gets its character from Satan, the evil one. It is an evil age that grows worse because of his presence and his activity.

In Ephesians 2:2, he is called "the prince of the power of the air." This title is of particular importance because it points to Satan as the head of the demonic host, those fallen angels who operate continuously, day and night, in our immediate atmosphere to fill it with Satanic deception, Satanic viewpoints, and doubts and temptations. The word power here is singular, and it refers to the demonic forces as a corporate body that operates as one, under the authority and power of Satan, their prince.

Continuing in Ephesians 2:2, he also says it is the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience. The word "working" here is the Greek word energeo, and it means, "to energize, to be active, to be at work." It is in the present, continuous tense. Satan is constantly at work to promote and produce his viewpoint in order to create disobedience in man. Satan energizes the human spirit within people that are disobedient to God. He does this in their attitudes and in their moods and in their impulses. We see it getting worse in the world, at least I do, I'm around it all the time. People's attitudes are going crazy.

There are many more names that describe his true nature and character that I do not have time to cover. I would encourage you all to look into this because you need to know this enemy. It is amazing all the names that apply to him.

But the one thing I think that describes him best—it's like every one of his names fits into this—and that is that he is a deceiver. In Revelation 12:9, he's spoken of as the one who deceives the whole world. The Greek text here strongly stresses that this is a continuous aspect of Satan's character and activity. He causes people to miss the truth of God by his many methods of deception: lying against the truth, denying the truth, counterfeiting or imitating the truth, and perverting or distorting the truth. Satan has many traps and tricks that he uses to deceive.

But brethren, we have two great promises about this. One is that we are already victors through the victory of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He is the true Light-bringer and the Light-bearer. But we are still behind enemy lines. So our need, then, is to put on the full armor of God and to resist the devil by always drawing near to our true Light-bearer, Jesus Christ.

The second great promise is that Satan is a defeated foe, whose days of freedom to create misery and pain and deception are numbered.

I will leave you here in Romans 16:20, because Paul tells us why his days are numbered. He says, "For the God of peace will soon crush Satan, that great deceiver, under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."
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www.gospel-of-satan.com/



The Father god, stupendously upstaged

And jealous at the power of the Evil One,

Brooded with his archon-angelos,

Each suggesting grandiose schemes

Of deception or counter-assault.



Until the tyrant's son,

Incited by the Father to salvage his reputation,

Volunteered to attempt a breach of the Gate

With a method heretofore untried and dangerous.



Mustering his courage and securing the aid

Of his Father's most charming archon,

He selected a human woman on Earth

And, using his godly power,

Raped her, seeding himself inside her womb.



The archon's charm effecting her willing cooperation,

Mary was disposed to the care of the god.

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APPENDIX: 'The Gospel of Satan'

by Arthur W. Pink



...as Christ has a Gospel, Satan has a gospel too....



It is to this gospel of Satan the apostle refers when he says to the Galatians "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of Christ" (1:6,7). .... The apostle continues, "But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." ....



The gospel of Satan is not a system of revolutionary principles, nor yet a program of anarchy. It does not promote strife and war, but aims at peace and unity. It seeks not to set the mother against her daughter nor the father against his son, but fosters the fraternal spirit whereby the human race is regarded as one great "brotherhood". It does not seek to drag down the natural man, but to improve and uplift him. It advocates education and cultivation and appeals to "the best that is within us". It aims to make this world such a congenial and comfortable habitat that Christos absence from it will not be felt and God will not be needed. It endeavors to occupy man so much with this world that he has no time or inclination to think of the world to come. It propagates the principles of self-sacrifice, charity and benevolence, and teaches us to live for the good of others, and to be kind to all. It appeals strongly to the carnal mind and is popular with the masses....



In contradistinction to the Gospel of Christ, the gospel of Satan teaches salvation by works. It inculcates justification before God on the ground of human merits. Its sacramental phrase is "Be good and do good".... It announces salvation by character, which reverses the order of God's Word, character by, as the fruit of, salvation. Its various ramifications and organizations are manifold. Temperance, Reform movements, "Christian Socialist Leagues", ethical culture societies, "Peace Congresses" are all employed (perhaps unconsciously) in proclaiming this gospel of Satan -- salvation by works. The pledge-card is substituted for Christ; social purity for individual regeneration, and politics and philosophy for doctrine and godliness. The cultivation of the old man is considered "more practical" than the creation of a new man in Christ Jesus; whilst universal peace is looked for apart from the interposition and return of the Prince of Peace.



The apostles of Satan ... minimize [sin] by declaring that sin is merely ignorance or the absence of good.... ...they make God a liar by declaring that He is too loving and merciful to send any of His own creatures to eternal torment.



... they ... hold up Christ as the great Examplar and exhort their followers to "follow in His step". ... Their message may sound very plausible and their actions appear very praiseworthy .... Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing (not to be wondered at) if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works"....

R. bobo, for Satanists and cults of the Adversarial AEon. (C) 2009-07-2

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Rob" This link is the closest I could find to Dave's view of Gnosticism

Dave does not advocate faith, but belief, similar to this appendix
Dave plays words with the fallen angels as archons, similar to this website.

I just cannot find anybody with a scholarly view on satanas, as a different being to satan.


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Rob comments"

I just cannot find anybody out there seeing Dave's view on satanas as a different being to satan.

I think Dave, you clutch at a word game you cannot defend.

Shalom

[Dave]

I am trying to find studies evaluating the difference between satan and satanas....
delevensschool.org/en/character-satan-according-greek-terminology/

So you turn to the Dutch Bible Society – A Roman Christian organization

“The studies on this website were original written en Dutch.
A Dutch translation of the Bible published by the Dutch Bible Society.
The NIV Bible translation is used for English translation.”

According to the OLB ‘satanas’ is:
a noun.
of Aramaic origin, - Agreed
to be translated as: adversary (someone who opposes someone else in intention and indeed)
the name given to the ruler of the evil spirits. - Agreed
‘Satanas’ is found in 28 Bible verses and is invariably translated as ‘Satan’.
NOT the same count as the Received text – at 33 times within the agl/NT

In most of the Bible verses ‘satanas’ is preceded by an article, ‘the Satan’ thus.
OK

The question can be asked here as well, as with ‘Satan’ in Hebrew, as to whether ‘satanas’ was indeed used as a proper name in the time of the New Testament, as is often the case in English.
Perhaps it would be better here too to replace ‘Satan’, or ‘the Satan’ by ‘adversary’, or ‘the adversary’; that reflects who he really is.

(Mark 1:13)
(Matthew 4:10)
(Matthew 4:1-11)
(Matthew 16:21-23)
ALL agl/NT examples od satanas

‘Diabolos’ is found in 36 verses and is translated as ‘the devil’ in 33 verses.
There are three exceptions however (the devil applied as a metaphor):
(1 Timothy 3:11)
(2 Timothy 3:2-3)
(Titus 2:3)
(James 4:7)
ALL agl/NT examples od satanas

It is clear that the Greek talks about ‘the slanderer’, ‘the accuser’. - DUH

The great dragon was hurled down – that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (Revelation 12:9)
(Revelation 12:10)
(1 John 2:1-2)

100% agl/NT Beast of revelation – satanas – of Aramaic / Chaldean origin

www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/sermonette/id/2982/behind-enemy-lines-lucifer-helel-satan.htm
“Worldwide Church of God,
National Association of Evangelicals.”
Another very modern Roman Christendom source

Ephesians 6:12 (New English Translation) For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.

Wise military leaders never go into battle without carefully studying their opponents, if at all possible. They want to know how they operate, their character, their strengths and weaknesses, their methods and schemes, and so on. To be effective against the enemy, you must know your enemy so that you can be prepared to effectively counter his attacks.
Correct – this is the call of Eph 6 – put on the truth

But Satan, the deceiver, never likes to be revealed for who and what he is and how he operates. Yet we need to be informed because we are behind the enemy lines.
Correct – could not agree more

The Apostle Paul wrote in II Corinthians 2:11 that we are not ignorant of his schemes. But then he goes on to say later in that book, in II Corinthians 11:3, "But I am afraid, lest as the serpent, Satan, deceived Eve by his craftiness, your mind should be led astray."
YES – the satan here is the serpent – that old dragon
DID NOT LIE - ONLY DECIEVED

We know that God names things for what they are. God reveals to us the Hebrew names of three great and powerful angels. They are Michael, Gabriel, and Helel. My main focus today is going to be on Helel. He was the anointed cherub that rebelled against God and which is now the enemy, and is so named "Satan."

(google) Aquila of Sinope derives the word helel, the Hebrew name for the morning star, from the verb yalal (to lament). This derivation was adopted as a proper name for an angel who laments the loss of his former beauty. The Christian church fathers – for example Hieronymus, in his Vulgate – translated this as Lucifer.

This is 100% Isa 14 Roman satan worship
Where is your pre-Roman evidence

But before we get into the meaning of the names that describe his character now, let's look at who he was originally. Turn with me over to Ezekiel 28, and we will begin this in verse 12:

There we are – Exl 28 – the Roman invention

It was in 405 AD that Jerome—who was a scholar, supposedly; also, he was baptized into the Catholic church—who was commissioned by the Pope to translate the Hebrew Bible into the Latin. That's when he gave this angel Helel the name "Lucifer," meaning "light-bearer" or "light-bringer."
Correct – totally invited by Rome

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www.gospel-of-satan.com/
IS THIS AN SDA WEB-SITE?

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Rob" This link is the closest I could find to Dave's view of Gnosticism
Satan teaches salvation by works.
The apostles of Satan ... minimize [sin]

Dave does not advocate faith, but belief, similar to this appendix

Post your apology here and now – or stay off this forum
Your continued misrepresentation of my ministry, this from, and me will end

If you really want to know the gnostic view – why don’t you discuss my posting instead of reaching ONLY for any information from the outside

You attack – just to attack – to prove that you have an ass – and are disrespectful
Stop posting your crap and saying it is my view – Christian

THIS IS A BIG ISSUE – if there is no honestly from you – your discussion means nothing!

[Dave]

Dec 18, 2019 11:29:38 GMT -5 rakovsky said:

Dave,
On the Ancient Hebrew ProBoards Forum, I posted a long list of Christian Gnostic movies and documentaries, like ones about Simon Magus, Mary Magdalene, the apostle Thomas, and a others like The Holy Mountain (1973) and I, Pet Goat II. But now the Ancient Hebrew Forum (http://ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/board/) is down. I don't know if you happened to keep the list. I don't know if there is any way to get the list back, either.
Peace.

youtu.be/zerBaxPbA94
The Holy Mountain - Official 4K Trailer | Alejandro Jodorowsky
No – haven’t seen it or will I ever watch it – didn’t even finish the trailer for 1:30 min

youtu.be/65xLByzT1l0
CGI 3D Animated Short "I, Pet Goat II" by – Heliofant
(I get it – a commentary on this “flawed world”)
BUT --THIS IS STRANGLY DISTURBING – too bad rakovsky is not here to tell us more about this
His email address= yandex.ru – does that place him closer to the center of things?
CERN – Yemen Portal – Syria – Islam
I, Pet Goat II. – was there a brief glimpse of Mohammed?

I have seen references to this video before – but in association with

youtu.be/jhPmmSfkDIU
Weird CERN Symmetry Shiva Dance of Destruction
The dance is actually a classical movement called ‘Symmetry” – CERN used it to showcase the dance of sub-atomic particles traveling through the empty distances between them. But CERN also have the Hindu Goddess Shiva – the Goddess of Destruction – Standing at the front door of their international headquarters.

I have also seen “attitude” from the Switzerland Gotthard Tunnel opening

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Dave I have in all seriousness tried to get your view substantiated by other scholars and you ask me to apologize for messing up your Gnostic Views? Well how about you posting videos and scholarly treatment of the difference between satan and satanas? I cannot find any references on the www. You cannot and have not found a single person or a scholar discussion of your view.

Singer is hardly 100% talking about your view. He hardly ever quotes Scripture.

Missler is only talking about fallen angels, yet you want to use his witness as you wish to push aside his views as misguided.



Shalom

[Dave]

Dave I have in all seriousness tried to get your view substantiated by other scholars and you ask me to apologize for messing up your Gnostic Views?
YOU ARE NOT AN HONEST PERSON Christian
All you have done is attack my cosmology with everything except what I post

I will return your favor
I will look in all the Mormon documents for your Ellen White or her views – will I find them?
I will look in the Presbyterian literature for your Ellen White or her views – will I find them?
Maybe I’ll look in some pagan religion from Africa for your Ellen White or her views – will I find them?
Maybe I should look at the gospel of satan web-site to find your views?

You have posted anything you could find that was not suggested by me

If I post a comment from a Jewish source - you say it cannot be my view
If I post an orthodox Christian view - you say it cannot be my view
If I post Gnostic scripture in front of you - you say it cannot be my view

I have asked you and asked you to discuss the Prophesy of Enoch
You are so afraid to admit Christ as the Messiah was a full part of Jewish theology during the inner teatamnt periord
Anything Enoch says about Christ as the returning Messiah must be a lie - according to you
Is this why you deny the Beast of Revelation - Christ returning in Judgement does? not fit your Feel Good God of TOV only who can do no ra - so you just reject the entire Book - no truth in it says you

Well how about you posting videos and scholarly treatment of the difference between satan and satanas? I cannot find any references on the www.
You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see

Catholic satan - the god of evil - never existed as a single verse theology before Rome invented it
Jesus Christ and all the disciples were 100% Jewish with Jewish theology
All of the first Christians were 100% Messanic Jewish
Mat 5 - Christ did not come to change the theology
Jesus Christ added the Gospel to the ahl/OT theology
John adds the identity of the Beast
The Nag Hammadi empoweres us to understand our real struggle (Eph 6)
The point of the Nag Hammadi is our struggle during the last generationm - when Rev 9 is upon humanity

Your only theology - The Jews are wrong and hae always been wrong - the disciples were wrong and have always been wrong - DO NOT TRUST the writtings of James, John, Paul, Peter, or Philip - because you have a different prtophet who has taught you a different religion - a religion built upon two words taken out of context - cherub chatta - and you deny John 3:16 - because your serpent is a liar

God said - shall not perish but have eternal life - I believe - you just deny
The serpent said - you will not die - I beieve God and scripture - you just deny

Singer is hardly 100% talking about your view. He hardly ever quotes Scripture.
The Rabbinic view is my view of the ahl/OT

Missler is only talking about fallen angels,
YES – the Fallen Angels written about by Jude – the bane Elohim of Gen 6
You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see

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D"You have posted anything you could find that was not suggested by me
R" fair enough, but you have written and published a book already, have it ready in digital form maybe to cope and paste your defense? so where is the scholarly defense? I have asked you for this many times?

D"If I post Gnostic scripture in front of you - you say it cannot be my view
R I don't mind you doing this, except Scripture says you must first defend your view using Moses torah.

D"I have asked you and asked you to discuss the Prophesy of Enoch

R I have looked at book of Enoch, how do we know Enoch wrote it, when it full of non-inspired verses?
I have you two examples?

D"You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see
R" you think? SO you have already present scholars who agree that satan is a different word to satanas?

D"Catholic satan - the god of evil - never existed as a single verse theology before Rome invented it
R" I see.

Tell me, how many churches today know what amanuah is? The word meaning faith. I have looked, not a single church documents what faith is, yet you claim only Rome has all the answers to all things?

Does Rome answer why Jesus died ? no

Does Rome know the true meaning of faith? no

Yet somehow you make a claim they know about fallen angels?
Maybe they got lucky....Hmm?

OK so why are you NOT looking at theology that really matters? like FAITH.
like WHY Jesus died, you never answered this, the reason I was drawn to your website in the first place.


D"Jesus Christ and all the disciples were 100% Jewish with Jewish theology
R" no, there are different Jews, not all have the same theology.

D"The Nag Hammadi empoweres us to understand our real struggle (Eph 6)
R" you think? why than was it hid so long?  ignorance, keep us in ignorance? I do not call this understanding

Where does the Nag Hammadi tell us of the end times? how long they are, and what to expect?


D"YES – the Fallen Angels written about by Jude – the bane Elohim of Gen 6
You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see
R" See when is "bane elohiym" a reference to cherubs?

Ge 6:2 That the sons of God ( we assume these were humans?)

Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Seems to me all the humans from Adam's time were giants. a reference to humans.

Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,

Lion of Judah video points this as humans on earth coming to God...

I doubt this because of

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Here is a reference to beings before humans were created.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

sons of God refer to humans coming to God

Ro 8:14
Ro 8:19
Php 2:15
1Jo 3:1
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God,

All reference to humans becoming sons of God.

I see no direct reference to angels referred to as sons of God, however angels do come to God so may or can be referred as sons of God I suppose.

Shalom

[Dave]

D"You have posted anything you could find that was not suggested by me
R" fair enough,
At last some honesty from you

D"If I post Gnostic scripture in front of you - you say it cannot be my view
R I don't mind you doing this, except Scripture says you must first defend your view using Moses torah.
Bring it on – precept upon precept, line upon line –
So far – your Hebrew satan and Ezk 28 fails miserably

D"I have asked you and asked you to discuss the Prophesy of Enoch
R I have looked at book of Enoch, how do we know Enoch wrote it, when it full of non-inspired verses?

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

So what are Christians supposed to do with the words of Jude?
If Enoch is a lie – then why isn’t Jude also a lie?

D"You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see
R" you think? SO you have already present scholars who agree that satan is a different word to satanas?
There are 12 Rabbinic videos on this form fully identifying Hebrew satan – not one of them call him the Beast – or the shedim
There are 12 Rabbinic videos on this form fully identifying Hebrew satan – not one of them support you Roman satan doctrine

D"Catholic satan - the god of evil - never existed as a single verse theology before Rome invented it
R" I see.
Tell me, how many churches today know what amanuah is?
I see – we are talking about applesauce and not you bring up grape juice
Instead of a direct answer – you divert so you can avoid

Robert – there are many Christians in this world – your desire to judge and mock others for their faith is so very obvious

OK so why are you NOT looking at theology that really matters? like FAITH.
Why are you NOT looking beyond faith and belief to walking in the spirit as a Born Again Christian?

D"Jesus Christ and all the disciples were 100% Jewish with Jewish theology
R" no, there are different Jews, not all have the same theology.
Two basic types – spiritual and non-spiritual

D"The Nag Hammadi empoweres us to understand our real struggle (Eph 6)
R" you think? why than was it hid so long?
The text itself says – for the generation of the end-of-days
The Dead Sea War Scroll is all about the Final battle

Where does the Nag Hammadi tell us of the end times? how long they are, and what to expect?
The Nag Hammadi does not address history as much as our personal battle – our personal struggle

Mat 24:37 “For just as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

When the archon are here loose upon the earth – in your face

Rev 9:1 Then the fifth angel trumpeted, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth. The key to the bottomless pit was given to him.
Rev 9:2 He opened the pit, and smoke rose from the pit like the smoke of a gigantic furnace. The sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.
Rev 9:3 Then from the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given to them like the scorpions have power over the earth.

Where does the Nag Hammadi tell us of the end times? how long they are, and what to expect?
The War Scroll = 3 major conflicts over 33 years (1) beginning in the Syria (Ezk 38) (2) 2nd major conflict in the Balkans/Steps – CERN (3) third and last battle father North – German?

D"YES – the Fallen Angels written about by Jude – the bane Elohim of Gen 6
You have a reading comprehension problem – you just refuse to see
Ge 6:2 That the sons of God ( we assume these were humans?)
Seems to me all the humans from Adam's time were giants. a reference to humans.

1- Then Jude – must be about your fallen angels – locked away and no satan to bother humanity
I see no direct reference to angels referred to as sons of God, however angels do come to God so may or can be referred as sons of God I suppose.

Jud 1:6 And the angels—who did not keep their own position of authority but deserted their proper place—He has kept in everlasting shackles under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great Day.

2- Then Peter is also – must be about your fallen angels – locked away and no satan to bother humanity
I see no direct reference to angels referred to as sons of God, however angels do come to God so may or can be referred as sons of God I suppose.

2Pe 2:4 For God did not spare angels when they sinned, but threw them into Sheol. He put them in chains of gloomy darkness, to be held until the judgment.

You really work hard to defend and hide away our real struggle – according to you – they are all locked away – out of sight – not here – not bothering man

If Jude is a Lie because Enoch is a Lie - so is Peter also a Lie
Just how much scripture must you deny - the list just contiunes to grow and grow

Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
Spirit beings – no biology in the heavens

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Here is a reference to beings before humans were created.
What a bunch of make it say what you want it to
Two groups in heaven = one group in unison and one group made a war cry

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

sons of God refer to humans coming to God
YES – Prodigal Sons – YES – Absolutely agree
You have pretend not to understand this concept in the past

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So what are Christians supposed to do with the words of Jude?

R" Wasn't this an oral speech of Enoch, heard and recorded, so we have it to this day?
Didn't Enoch have a perfect memory and record things directly to his mind.

Writing only came later, with failing memories. I suspect the Book of Enoch is a forgery written later by some deceiver, claiming to be Enoch. It adds some truth and also some error, as a deceiver does.

D"There are 12 Rabbinic videos on this forum fully identifying Hebrew satan – not one of them support you Roman satan doctrine

R" There are? I must watch them again, I must have missed a torah discussion using the OT Hebrew? So these videos evaluate the difference between Hebrew satan and Greek satanas? My memory must fail me, or they did not speak of such things? If I remember they did not speak or discusss the torah much at all, if ever??

D"The text itself says – for the generation of the end-of-days
R" OK, so we have nobody saved as Gnostic before, say in the days of the Reformation, when we were protestants? What were we protesting ? The ROME EDIT, yet GOD saw no need to revive Gnostic ideas? Only after 1945 is Gnostic revived? I wonder why? When I come will I find faith on earth, Jesus says? Maybe Satan uses other ideas to becloud the salvation via faith idea?

D"2Pe 2:4 For God did not spare angels when they sinned, but threw them into Sheol. He put them in chains of gloomy darkness, to be held until the judgment.

You really work hard to defend and hide away our real struggle – according to you – they are all locked away – out of sight – not here – not bothering man

R If the fallen angels are placed in chains of darkness, on earth as a prison place, does this mean they are not able to tempt humans on earth? I don't think so.

Compare the words to another passage, using similar words and themes:-

Re 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Same picture, Sheol, with chains of darkness, but this time there is another 1000 years of time, this time however, not a single human is ever tempted to sin....Why is that?

Because all the humans are dead on earth, that is why.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(KJV)

So the straight ones live in heaven for 1000 years at the wedding, while the crooked ones are dead on earth, and the prison of earth has nothing to be tempted to sin, so the Fallen Angels have truly nothing to do for 1000 years.

When you line precept upon precept, theme compare with similar themes, Scripture always answers itself. So if the fallen angels are chained in darkness on earth, they are still able to tempt humans to sin, just not allowed to tempt other sons of God on other unfallen worlds to sin, only earth is their prison house. 

Shalom, be Healed.