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Post by Dave on May 2, 2022 21:58:45 GMT -5
R - how does this public miracle occur according to you? D – I gave you many examples of public miracles and asked Question – can your god of evil satan perform tov miracles?
I did not find your answer Are the miracles performed by the ‘other gods’ or Joseph Smith – Jesus flowing through them?
The wonders of Jesus come not to boast or make a showing off of Jesus power. Have a read of the miracles Ellen White allowed to flow through her, miracles on a daily basis:- Still didn’t find your answer
Now read some specific miracles:" ellenwhite.org/media/document/10794 R" Now to the miracles that are public and boast with pride, are these from God? No Still waiting for you to answer that question
R - how does this public miracle occur according to you? D – I gave you many examples of public miracles and asked Question – can your god of evil satan perform tov miracles?
D"why even the speaking of tongues is a dark art according to you? The speaking in languages in not to show off, but to allow people to witness so they hear the gospel in their own language.
1Co 14:1 Pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to people but to God—for no one understands, but in the Ruach he speaks mysteries.
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE We are called to witness to all the nations – all the heavens – all the archon – all the angels – everyone everywhere
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Is this the answer to my question? R - how does this public miracle occur according to you? D – I gave you many examples of public miracles and asked Question – can your god of evil satan perform tov miracles?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 4:20:28 GMT -5
D"Question – can your god of evil satan perform tov miracles?
R" Yes why not, even to deceive the very elect.
D"1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to people but to God—for no one understands, but in the Ruach he speaks mysteries.
R" You may think this is referring to speaking in tongues is all about an unknown language. I used to sit next to my friend from Poland, and he used to read a Polish bible and pray in Polish, and when I listened I heard him praying to God, to me in a tongue not known to me. God understand, but to me a mystery. You apply this verse to a context it is not meant for.
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Post by Dave on May 3, 2022 5:00:53 GMT -5
D"1Co 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to people but to God—for no one understands, but in the Ruach he speaks mysteries.
R" You may think this is referring to speaking in tongues is all about an unknown language. Correct – a tongue that angels and archon understand
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE We are called to witness to all the nations – all the heavens – all the archon – all the angels – everyone everywhere
Why do you teach it is wrong to witness for the Lord – is that really a Christian teaching? Do not witness to scientist – they are smarter than you and will not fall for your creationist crap Do not witness to the archon or the angels – just focus upon biology and the world
No wonder mainstream Christianity considered your SDA a cult for over a century
I asked you a favor – where is it Several times now I have asked you to look at something – and you refuse You just keep repeating that your satan is a god like a parrot
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 16:15:50 GMT -5
D"I asked you a favor – where is it Several times now I have asked you to look at something – and you refuse
R" I would not intentionally refuse, what is it you wish me to look at?
D"Correct – a tongue that angels and archon understand
R" This is a big assumption, do you have line upon line proof that angels and archons need to communicate to God or with each other, or even allow humans to hear such babbling?
The language God gave Adam, with a few hours of being born is Hebrew, the Ancient Hebrew in pictograph form where every letter is a picture, so from this one can assume that the language in heaven is Hebrew.
At least I have more substance to my theory than yours does. You take a verse in Greek out of context, whereas my verse come from the Moses torah, the first teachings we are to adhere to. Jeff Benner calls this Edenics.
I will witness to the Lord, why do assume to know me? I also witness to science people, I did this at every opportunity as a teacher of science, meeting people. It's funny how you lump angels and archons together. So the archons can speak languages we humans can hear, and yet we are not allowed to see archons, the ones who tempt us? Does your theories stand logic scrutiny?
D"WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE R" I judge no-one, but I am asked to show those I meet truth as the Hebrew teaches. Glossolalia is babbling, its does not conform to the rules of known language, therefore the unknown language it pretends to be is a myth, such sounds should conform to the rules of language. Studies have confirmed this.
Anytime I wish to hear God speak to me, He does in my conscience and I hear the words in English. I do not need to speak during prayer/worship only listen/mediate.
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I also listened to Jeff Benner video on the serpent (again last night) , in which Jeff suggests the serpent did not technically lie to Eve, but than He summarizes and Jeff says, the serpent did deceive Eve with the truth. That is an oxymoron, how can you deceive a person with truth? Deceiving a person is making false reports of the truth, hence you are wounding them, and this is a sin, causing their souls to sin. Thus the serpent also sinned in talking the truth to Eve in such a way that it confused her and made Eve think that God as an elohiym power knowing both function and dysfunction, is somehow a desirable thing? How is it functional for a human to know both function and dysfunction? It's not. That is lie the serpent deceived Eve with, a thought the serpent presented, but did not speak.
In other words while humans may be like God, knowing function and dysfunction, it is not for our benefit to have known these things. The aruwm creature with the twisting head, did know both function and dysfunction, hence the reason why GOD named the tree "el power" after the aruwm creature. Thus the Moses account describes another elohiym power who is like God, knowing both good and bad things, and thus claiming to be like the Most High, is this aruwm creature, with his twisting head.
Another favourable thing for the serpent, is he could present truth in a deceptive way and get away with it, because the serpent could lie (make a false report - ie not edify others) whereas God cannot do this. God can only speak truth as truth is, as black and white. The twisting head, aruwm, serpent however, could make suggestive twists, and make truth seem to be mystical and thus suggest things missing from your life experience.
Now your false Gnostic teachings teach the twisting head creature was intentionally created by God that way, hence the tree "el of power" was placed there, only to tempt the human. That writing is wrong.
Since is God is functional, (but also knows dysfunctional); God would not create any creature with functional and dysfunction, ie with aruwm qualities of a twisting head. This tells me the twisting head became that way from free will choice. And immediately gives us a clue the aruwm creature had sinned in the past.
I note the structure of the DNA is a twisting function of two copies of holy words, end to end, is opposite directions? One could argue this is a twisting head in the biological fabric of life? Hmm?
I propose a new definition and consequence for sin, When one misses the powers of God to become functional, one instead becomes functional and dysfunctional. Thus our minds develop a twisting head, and we become aruwm.
Job 15:5 For thy mouth uttereth thine iniquity, and thou choosest the tongue of the crafty. 6 Thine own mouth condemneth thee
These verses teach that aruwm is a producer of guilt (avon) the fruit of sinning.
Hence the serpent is a creature of (avon) guilt, and thus sinned in the past. Bingo, my proof the serpent was sinning and is from the NT the Provider of Lies. A murderer from the beginning.
Pr 12:16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame.
Here is a verse where the opposite meaning of aruwm is required to contrast the fool. The opposite meaning of a twisting head, is a non-twisted head.
Ge 3:1 Now the serpent had a twisting-head (more) than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Pr 12:16 A fool's wrath is presently known: but a "non-twisting-head" (man) covereth shame. Jeff Benner does not consider the meaning "prudent" to be opposite? Hmm? Also I notice naked is not related to aruwm? Hmm?
We are children every learning and experiencing more from the teachings of Hebrew. Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 3, 2022 22:15:45 GMT -5
D"I asked you a favor – where is it Several times now I have asked you to look at something – and you refuse R" I would not intentionally refuse, what is it you wish me to look at? Shall I repost my request to you here so everyone knows of your pretend ignorance
You have suggested videos to me – and I have dissected them line by line You refuse to comment on Jewish demonology You refuse to comment on the Bible Project videos And pretend you don’t know what’s going on -------------------
I also listened to Jeff Benner video on the serpent (again last night) , in which Jeff suggests the serpent did not technically lie to Eve, but than He summarizes and Jeff says, the serpent did deceive Eve with the truth. That is an oxymoron, how can you deceive a person with truth?
You are so gullible – I bet used car salesmen love you? Have you ever listen to a politician speak? Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you read Lenin? Try reading the Chinese Communist Parties’ manifest destiny!
Deceiving a person is making false reports of the truth, hence you are wounding them, and this is a sin, causing their souls to sin. YET – your entire style of debate is to misrepresent others
In other words while humans may be like God, knowing function and dysfunction, it is not for our benefit to have known these things. You do not wish to know how to please God?
Another favourable thing for the serpent, is he could present truth in a deceptive way and get away with it, because the serpent could lie (make a false report - ie not edify others) whereas God cannot do this. God can only speak truth as truth is, as black and white.
I really don’t think you think about what you are saying
God said they would die – then God told them to repent and be saved Was God lying? – or is God lying?
Now your false Gnostic teachings teach the twisting head creature was intentionally created by God that way, hence the tree "el of power" was placed there, only to tempt the human. That writing is wrong.
Why do you deny scripture – you sure have a problem with the Gospel
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities. All was created through Him and for Him.
G746 - ἀρχή - archē - archon = chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): - beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power
Since is God is functional, (but also knows dysfunctional); God would not create any creature with functional and dysfunction, ie with aruwm qualities of a twisting head.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
This tells me the twisting head became that way from free will choice. And immediately gives us a clue the aruwm creature had sinned in the past.
Why do you deny scripture and bend it to fit Ellen White?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:04:23 GMT -5
Greetings
Dave asks "Why do you deny scripture and bend it to fit Ellen White?
Rob replies" I do no such thing. Why do you deny Jeff Benner, and therefore Scripture?
From Jeff Benner Lexicon
V) 1VK (1VK Gh-RM) — Subtle: To be subtle in craftiness or prudence. [freq. 5] (vf: Paal, Hiphil) |kjv: subtilty, crafty, prudent, beware| {str: 6191} Nf1) )QVK ()QVK GhR-MH) — Subtlety: In craftiness or prudence. [freq. 5] |kjv: guile| {str: 6195} dm) 1JVK (1JVK Gh-RWM) — Subtle: In craftiness or prudence. [freq. 11] |kjv: prudent, crafty, subtil| {str: 6175} gm) 1VJK (1VJK GhW-RM) — Subtlety: In craftiness or prudence. [ms: Mre] [freq. 1] |kjv: craftiness| {str: 6193} j m) 2JQVK (2JQVK Gh-RMWN) — Ermon: An unknown tree. [freq. 2] |kjv: chestnut| {str: 6196}
The Hebrew word Aruwm 06175, meaning according to Jeff Benner "subtle" The meaning according to the Ancient Hebrew letter pictographs "The twisting head secure flows"
This thinking does not come from Jeff nor Ellen, but it entirely from Me in communion with God.
The Ghah letter is lost in Jewish writing, so they say nothing about this letter, hence they lose much.
Such meaning lost to the Jews include:
crookedness dark perverse twisting head desert intercede as in prayer dropping down as rain
The DNA structure is a twisting head itself, a clever way to preserve God's holy words in us.
You do not even discuss my presentation on the twistinghead letter, just ignore Jeff's work.
Here is the use of related word to arwum:
Ps 83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Here is aram, the idea to be subtle and twist words. Obviously an enemy of Israel.
Here is another related word to Aruwm, the word is Aramah
Ex 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
Found in the royal law judgements of the law, thous shall have to do with aramah men. Stay away from them, pity Eve did not listen.
Pr 8:12 ¶ I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. 13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:
How strange the HS understand the aramah, and advises humans like GOD to hate ra.
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Eze 31:2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?
How strange, I find a whole poetry metaphor on the twisting tree....
Yes it is about Pharoah, but also about any creature who abides under the twisting tree.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Here the twisting tree is mentioned, again way back in Eden....Now who could this refer to ?
Not Adam and Eve, but to some other being with a twisting head? The serpent....
Eze 31:10 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height,
Same idea in Is 14
Eze 31:11.... I have driven him out for his wickedness.
Same idea as war in heaven Rev 12
Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit:
Interesting fate, same idea as Rev 12, banished to earth
Eze 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth:
Notice this being is compared to a twisting tree, in the trees of Eden.
I think God just showed me even more evidence of the twisting head and his twisting tree, which is called the tree of function and dusfunction.
I do not deny Scripture. Try reading the poetry correctly and pit together the pieces....
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 4, 2022 21:37:14 GMT -5
The Hebrew word Aruwm 06175, meaning according to Jeff Benner "subtle" The meaning according to the Ancient Hebrew letter pictographs "The twisting head secure flows" You do not even discuss my presentation on the twistinghead letter, just ignore Jeff's work.
Fully discussed on the Bible Project video You do not even discuss my presentation on Satan and the Demons, just ignore my request to review
Here is the use of related word to arwum: It is a positive quality – nothing more
Why do you teach that a prudent man is twisted? Do you believe yourself?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 3:33:00 GMT -5
D"Fully discussed on the Bible Project video You do not even discuss my presentation on Satan and the Demons, just ignore my request to review
R" Sorry, did I miss a post of yours? Please make a link to the page I am supposed to review.
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Post by Dave on May 5, 2022 10:50:16 GMT -5
R" Sorry, did I miss a post of yours? Please make a link to the page I am supposed to review.
Did you miss a question of mine? “Why do you teach that a prudent man is twisted? Do you believe yourself?”
Your pretend ignorance only offends your own credibility
You say you cannot understand written English and you are unable to understand what has been said here in the last 3 years.
You ask me to post videos of my views – I have – you refuse to take me seriously or this forum. You do don’t present a Judeo-Christian theology
All you teach is WORLD and biology – even your pantheon of gods are created beings of biology – as well as – all the angels – just biology
I try to discuss the soul with you – and all you post is crap about DNA I try to discuss spirit with you – you pretend it does not exist Now you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ
You do don’t present a Judeo-Christian theology Because all your beliefs are built around one verse – and a huge double stanandard
If you ever do take the time to take my suggested viseod seriously - you will just deny instead of discuss - so there is really not much point - is there?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 16:10:25 GMT -5
Greetings, I am sorry you feel that way Dave. I am a follower of Jeff Benner and have taken on board his teachings. (not Ellen White not SDA) You can also take up his teachings, but you refuse to do so, like I do. Jeff Benner consider the entire OT and NT was originally written in hebrew, and not just any Hebrew, but the Ancient Hebrew called Edenics, the language of heaven. This is what Jeff preaches.... however Jeff does not always follow his own teachings because he has to "fit" into a world of scholars, so he compromises sometimes. I do not have to do this... He also presents Hebrew words has the same basic meanings all the time. He also says the noun form and verb form are different actions, not different word meanings. Eg He went to love her with his love. (Love is the same meaning here for both word forms) He also presents the idea that Hebrew words have opposite meaning, depending upon context.Eg, Barak elohiym and maveth, Mrs Job told Mr Job. So we must write "bless/curse" "Divine family power" and "die". (NB the opposite meaning of barak is intended") Sometimes it's hard to know when a word is opposite in meaning. Ge 3:1 ¶ Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field "aruwm" meaning "twisting head" ( I read the meaning within the letters of the Ancient Hebrew), the idea of being "crafty" All other uses of "aruwm" refer to it's opposite meaning "non-twisting head", the idea one being prudent. These are some of the ideas from Jeff Benner. I support these ideas... ------------------- D" Now you deny the divinity of Jesus ChristR" I have never denied the divinity of Jesus. Jesus is fully 100% of divine elohiym. However you keep saying Jesus is just the expression of the Father, as his right hand, as a projection of the father, as if the Father made a personality clone of Himself. But that is not right I suppose 'cause that would be two gods of the Father, so instead you say you have one Father appearing as different expressions. This is the theory of modalism, that one god-Father exists, in different modes. contendingforthefaith.org/en/modalism-tritheism-or-the-pure-revelation-of-the-triune-god/#:~:text=%20Modalism%2C%20Tritheism%2C%20or%20the%20Pure%20Revelation%20of,tritheism%20came%20into%20being%3F%20The%20reason...%20More%20 I quote" Modalism is the theological doctrine that the Father, Son, and Spirit are not three distinct Persons, but rather three modes or forms of activity under which God manifests Himself. A modalist is an adherent of the theological doctrine of modalism.
According to the modalistic concept of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not equally and eternally co-existent, but are merely three successive manifestations of God, or three temporary modes of His activity. Modalism, which is actually a form of unitarianism, denies that God in His own inner being is triune. Rather, it claims that the Father, Son, and Spirit are either temporary or successive roles adopted by God in carrying out the divine plan of redemption and that they in no way correspond to anything in the ultimate nature of the Godhead.1 Modalism does not recognize the independent personality of Christ, but regards the incarnation as a mode of the existence or manifestation of the Father.2 For the modalists, the Father, Son, and Spirit only refer to the way in which God reveals Himself, but bear no relation to His inner being.3Your view comes from humans Noetus published the same views as Praxeas approximately 200 A.D., 11 teaching that “Christ was the Father Himself, and that the Father Himself was born and suffered and died.”12 Noetus taught that in order for Christ to be God, He had to be identical with the Father. Since, for Noetus, there could be no division in the Godhead, if Christ suffered, then the Father suffered also.13 According to Noetus, there was only one God, the Father, who manifested Himself as He pleased. I read the article, and while some parts are nice, I cannot agree that my view was presented there...However it seems to present your view nicely? Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 5, 2022 17:53:45 GMT -5
I am sorry you feel that way Dave.Prove me wrong – you say you are a college grad and a teacherYet – you do not grasp the English language and pretend you are a Hebrew expert Are you capable of an intelligent conversation without misrepresenting others or scriptureWhere is your credibility man!I am a follower of Jeff Benner and have taken on board his teachings.You take from Jeff Brenner what you want to take – and ignore the rest(not Ellen White not SDA) – you are on record here demanding that Ellen White has taught you how to read and interpret scripture – she is a PROPHET OF THE LORDNow – you deny her Where is your credibility man!Jeff Benner consider the entire OT and NT was originally written in hebrew, and not just any Hebrew, but the Ancient Hebrew called Edenics, the language of heaven.Sure – Luke who was never Hebrew or Jewish had to stop an learn ancient Hebrew pictographs to write his Gospel Absolute NONSENSE"aruwm" meaning "twisting head" ( I read the meaning within the letters of the Ancient Hebrew), the idea of being "crafty" All other uses of "aruwm" refer to it's opposite meaning "non-twisting head", the idea one being prudent. At least you have stopped talking about your zero polysemy
And it is interesting the word that made you give it up "aruwm" - uses 11 times 10 times it means something positive But 1 time about the serpent it means something negative ------------------- D"Now you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ R" I have never denied the divinity of Jesus. Jesus is fully 100% of divine elohiym.IS CHIRST GOD or isn’t He
There is either One True God – or multiple gods in a pantheon However you keep saying Jesus is just the expression of the Father, as his right hand, as a projection of the father, as if the Father made a personality clone of Himself.Look down at your Right Hand – is that a clone - is that another person?This is the theory of modalism, that one god-Father exists, in different modes.LET ME BE CLEAR
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR WORD GAMES CALL IT ANYTHING YOU WANT
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD all of your attempts to prove otherwise is REJECTED
WITH EXTREME PREDIGEST!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 4:35:48 GMT -5
D" you are on record here demanding that Ellen White has taught you how to read and interpret scripture – she is a PROPHET OF THE LORD Now – you deny her Where is your credibility man!R" I gave you 5 reasons, big reasons why I like the Hebrew Jeff presents. I also have an inspired Hebrew to English translator, yes, but she doesn't talk much about Hebrew like Jeff does. I do not deny Mrs White. I only did not mention her in my last post. Mrs WHite never knew Hebrew personally, but she wrote as God told her to write, and that happens to be Hebrew in her English. D" Luke who was never Hebrew or Jewish had to stop an learn ancient Hebrew pictographs to write his Gospel Absolute NONSENSER" Not sure of Luke, why don't you ask Jeff? D"" aruwm" - uses 11 times 10 times it means something positive But 1 time about the serpent it means something negativeR" What's wrong with that? avon is a Hebrew word used postive once I think, all the others in a negativer sense, the potential to do RA, rather than the potential to do TOV. DOn't mock me Dave, I am only a child learning Hebrew, I do not claim to know hardly anything... D" This is the theory of modalism, that one god-Father exists, in different modes.
LET ME BE CLEAR
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR WORD GAMESR" Are you saying you didn't like my link about modalism? Did you read the link? Tell you what, show me a link where Messanic Jews explain the SON of GOD, ie Jesus, to be...? A member of the elohiym Godhead, or a different modal expression of the Father? Let me read the details from a Messanic viewpoint. That would be really nice, because Jews never talk much about Christian stuff. blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-devious-way-that-messianic-jews-are-trying-to-destroy-judaism/I quote" Although they are called Messianic Jews, they are not Jewish. They are Christians, by definition, because they believe that Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah, and died for their sins. (Some of them happen to be Jewish, by birth, but their religion is definitely not Judaism.)
Messianic Jews are a specific sub-group of Christians who really think they are the only ones getting it right. They teach that Jesus was Jewish, and so the right way to serve him is to keep the Torah more or less as he did. They keep Shabbat. They keep kashrut. They dress in a tzanua way. At Shavuot, they held a tikkun leil Shavuot. Bizarre, right?Rob" SO Messanic Jews are not Jewish at all, only Christians pretending to be Jewish? So Jews do not have a concept of the Father expressing himself in different modes. I think you are making this up, certainly you are not following Jewish ways? I could be wrong. So please supply a link because it's really hard to find Jewish thinking about Jesus as the SOn of God. SHalom,
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Post by Dave on May 6, 2022 7:33:24 GMT -5
D"This is the theory of modalism, that one god-Father exists, in different modes. LET ME BE CLEAR I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR WORD GAMES R" Are you saying you didn't like my link about modalism? Did you read the link? No I did not read your link
LET ME BE CLEAR I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR WORD GAMES I have asked you for an intelligent conversation – you refuse to discuss my questions to you Just so you can argue against ONE TRUE GOD
God is God – the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God – Jesus Christ is God incarnate
Rob" SO Messanic Jews are not Jewish at all, only Christians pretending to be Jewish? Who gave you the authority to judge others - it sure is not a Christian teaching
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 15:48:01 GMT -5
Rob" SO Messanic Jews are not Jewish at all, only Christians pretending to be Jewish? Dave" Who gave you the authority to judge others - it sure is not a Christian teaching
R" Sorry, I was just reading what a Jewish person wrote.
"Although they are called Messianic Jews, they are not Jewish. They are Christians, by definition, because they believe that Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah, and died for their sins. (Some of them happen to be Jewish, by birth, but their religion is definitely not Judaism.)
Messianic Jews are a specific sub-group of Christians who really think they are the only ones getting it right. They teach that Jesus was Jewish, and so the right way to serve him is to keep the Torah more or less as he did. They keep Shabbat. They keep kashrut. They dress in a tzanua way. At Shavuot, they held a tikkun leil Shavuot. Bizarre, right?"
So it is my understanding a Jew cannot accept Jesus as the Son of God, under any circumstances, because they only accept monotheism. I asked you for a link where Jews, becoming Messanic, get around this problem, your idea of the Father expressing himself as a Son sounds a good solution, but I cannot find any Jewish commentary on this idea? Do you have any links or comments on this by Jews or Messanics?
How can a Jew who looks forward for a Messiah, expect one, if they also hold to monotheism?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on May 6, 2022 17:15:42 GMT -5
Rob" SO Messanic Jews are not Jewish at all, only Christians pretending to be Jewish? Dave" Who gave you the authority to judge others - it sure is not a Christian teaching
R" Sorry, I was just reading what a Jewish person wrote.
"Although they are called Messianic Jews, they are not Jewish. They are Christians, by definition, because they believe that Jesus was the son of God, the Messiah, and died for their sins. (Some of them happen to be Jewish, by birth, but their religion is definitely not Judaism.)
DUH – proof you have never heard me Elisha was a full blown Born Again Christian Just how many men from the ahl/OT walked and talked with God – every one of them a Born Again Christian Abraham - Moses – Joshua (Zec 3) + more and more and more – all FIRST FRUITS
Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law – nothing more – Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah Your constant attack upon the Jews – and Jewish theology (the very foundation of Christianity) = anti-Semitic satanism
So it is my understanding a Jew cannot accept Jesus as the Son of God, under any circumstances, because they only accept monotheism. I have explained to you that all (Hasidic) Jews see God as a duality God in heaven – always on His throne The Spirit of God – moves out amoung the people – the Shekinah – or Holy Spirit
God came to earth as a man – God incarnate = Jesus Christ Jewish duality become Christian Trinity
But you do not want to believe
Still no answers from you for the 1250 questions you refuse to answer or even address Just more attacks by you to deny the One True God
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