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Post by Dave on Mar 31, 2021 7:56:22 GMT -5
I do not know this history as you present. Are you are a student of scripture –or- just a supporter of a particular doctrine?The doctrine of Fallen Angels led by satan never existed until Rome invented it There is absolutely no way a person of Jewish backgroud or persuasion see this as anything but sayanology = then the Christina doesn't understand why Islam or Jews donlt believe them when they discuss Christ In America - education went through the DARE ProgramPolice officers would come to elementry schools to speak about the dangers of drugs Everything they had to say about herion was true Everything they said about cocain was true Everything they said about IV drug use was true None of the school children have any experience with this and believe the policeman because he is authority Then they would say smoking marijuana leads everyone down into the gutter and drug addiction with eventual ruin of health and happiness And most 1st graders know this to be FALSE becaue everyone they know smokes - lawyers, doctors, lab techs, and policemen If the police is lieing about marijuana - why would anyone believe him about anything else all this program was to prove beyound a shadow that the police are liers - and spoils the respect for authority at an earily age If you want to witness to me - don't lie to me - don't treat me like I am too stupid to know better If you lie to me - I will just think you invalid!FYI - more than once did elementry school children inadvertantly have their parents arrested - and all their brothers and sister taken away and seperated while placed in Goernment foster care Parents lost their jobs - their homes - their families and today those same school children are adult - filled is contempt for that authority Preaching the Gospel is no differentEach and every time the JW come and lie to me - they look more and more lost to me They will not address my questions either - claim my question not important They would rather focus on their doctrine that to study scripture openly in an open forum WHY - because thay have only been taught doctrine - not scripture as a whole To preach to me that God is a pantheon of multiple beings To preach to me that Jesus was not God incarnate To preach to me that an angel named satan usurped God's creation To preach to me that here is no such thing as spirit IS A LIE!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 13:55:17 GMT -5
D"To preach to me that God is a pantheon of multiple beings To preach to me that Jesus was not God incarnate To preach to me that an angel named satan usurped God's creation To preach to me that here is no such thing as spirit IS A LIE!
R What I see from the torah is no lie, prove to me your view than?
Do you agree that "El" means a single cardinal one, of strong authority ?
That would be a start.
The Hebrew word does not mean "god". It means "strong authority" for all the verses.
While you love your view so much, a trinity of three expressions, whatever that means, and I am having trouble seeing what this means, let me have a poetry simile of your view please, something us humans can relate to? Surely GOD would have given us humans a poetry simile, after all over 50% of the torah is poetry and full of similes.
My view coming from the torah, has many poetry similes, many from Genesis even.
I present Ancient Hebrew meaning in the letters
"A" the Aleph, the bull, meaning strong
"L" the Lamed, the Staff, meaning Authority
Hebrew word "AL" the "Strong authority"
The waw, the tent peg, meaning "Secure"
The hey, the person beholding, meaning "Behold the Person!"
The mem, the flow of water, meaning "flowing".
"ALFH" Meaning the "Strong Authority Secure. Behold the Being", a reference to any "father like Strong Authority" such as pagan deity or the Most High deity in heaven.
AND finally
"ALFHM" Meaning "Strong Authority Secure. Behold the Being flows", a reference to the power that flows. Such as family of judges whose power flows in judgement, or a family of humans under leadership whose power flows as authority, or a family of divine Persons, whose authority flows as love.
D" To preach to me that God is a pantheon of multiple beings
R I do not preach this idea at all.
"ALFHM" Meaning "Strong Authority Secure. Behold the Being flows", a reference to the power of the FATHER "ALFH" , who is cardinally one "AL" authority that flows.
All the three Hebrew words are explained here.
The torah is very clear about this, the AL, who is named ALFH, has HIS power flowing, the ALFHM.
Very clear from the Ancient Hebrew torah within the words.
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Than consider other similes of the torah
Shin, the S letter, the two front teeth, the "pressing" Dalet, the D letter, the door that swings, meaning "through the door", often meaning the door of the soul in man, or the door of heaven, or some other doorway. Yud, the hand letter, meaning "Active hands"
The pressed door active hands. "ShaDY" (not sure what English letter Yud is? i ? certainly not y )
So pressing through the door of heaven with active hands?
Is this an expression of the Father? or a different personality of the divine?
How do we test this idea? We look at the torah for similes GOD gave us.
First I must ask you, not sure, is the Shadday grammar masculine or grammar feminine in the torah writing of literature?
The word "ShaD" is grammar masculine, and nobody knows why, since is refers most to feminine persons breast?
So SHaDY could mean the breasted one active hands?
But is this Hebrew word an expression of the Father or a different divine personality?
Look for poetry similes humans understand and the torah teaches
Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image,
Why is the AL who is termed ALFH flowing with love ALFHM, writing "let us", who is the US here?
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Why does the AL who is termed ALFH flowing with love ALFHM, speak of creating the higher animals as gender male and gender female, including humans later in Genesis?
This simile of image, gives us things to investigate in the torah.
Why is love flowing as maleness love and femaleness love? Who is "us"?
Simple. Study all the verses of torah using ShaDY.
48 verses in the OT.
Ge 17:1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Here already we have another Hebrew word YHFH
"Active hands of the Being Behold, Secure Being Behold"
Why are there two "hey" letters in this Hebrew word?
Are there two "masculine love providers in heaven"?
Notice the ShaDY is termed "AL".
So this makes the "person of ShaDY" into "AL" a strong authority.
Question" Can the ALFHM become more than one AL as an expression?
Some suggest the ALFH becomes a ShaDY showing feminine love, and BN showing masculine love as Jesus.
Fair enough. Are there any NT poetry similes that answer this question about ALFHM
Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. 14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
This passage has ALFHM, in verse 10
And Jesus in verse 14 And spirit in verse 16 And Father ALFH in verse 14 written as AB instead, a new name
But there is this new poetry simile here "family"
Does this simile make sense of the OT
BN "home over the nation" , does a SON continue the home over the nations? What's in ALFHM , the flow of the father's love, does the Son continue the flow over the nations? Yes indeed. Jesus is also called SEED, BR, the home head, or seed.
Does this theme run in Genesis?
I will quote the first line of Gensis 1:1 in Ancient Hebrew
The home Head, strongly presses with active hands towards and important mark.
The home Head Strongs, (from the) Strong Authority secure. Behold the Being flows.
strongly towards an important mark. Behold the Person pressed flows, with active hands flows. Over the nations strongly towards the important mark Behold the Being Strong. The head travels.
I do not assume grammar rules in Ancient Hebrew follow grammar rules as we have in Hebrew today, we simply do not know, and make assumptions of this idea.
Who is the "home head" ?
The home Head, strongly presses with active hands towards and important mark.
The tav is a cross letter, the home head presses towards the cross? Jesus?
Notice the word "bara" The home Head Strongs, the verb is using "Strong" as a verb.
And I add (from the) to make English make sense....
Does the HomeHead get a flow of power from ALFH ?
Let's test this idea?
Ps 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. (KJV)
So the YHWH-Jesus spoke words of the Father ALFH, and the ShaDY empowered those words using the Father's flow of love.
Sounds just like the Ancient Hebrew account of Gen 1:1
I will stop here. I have given you a taste of my view and how my view comes together.
But note the word AL means one Strong Authority
ALFH is a Hebrew word for a MOST HIGH Deity.
And ALFHM, means this power flows from the Father Most High.
No where in the torah is there any flow of power directly from the SON or the ShaDY, the flow of love is always via the Father. That is how an ideal Family love works.
SO in this sense there are no independent sources of love except the Father's love, hence we have one source, one spring and one power.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Mar 31, 2021 14:54:19 GMT -5
D"To preach to me that God is a pantheon of multiple beings To preach to me that Jesus was not God incarnate To preach to me that an angel named satan usurped God's creation To preach to me that here is no such thing as spirit IS A LIE! R What I see from the torah is no lie, prove to me your view than?
At least you admit that you are anti-Christian
D" To preach to me that God is a pantheon of multiple beings R I do not preach this idea at all. You claim there are 3 individual and independent gods It is the only way love can exist you say It is the only way Jesus on earth could have spoken to God in heaven
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 1:38:57 GMT -5
Greetings Dave D" You claim there are 3 individual and independent godsRob replies: Dave I went to a lot of trouble to explain to you that all the creative power, all the love and and the works of elohiym, flow from the Most High Provider. Three personalities of love, yes. Three independent gods, absolutely not. What part of my words are you finding hard to fathom? Dave asks" It is the only way love can exist you sayRob replies" My humble opinion from Scripture study of ahab and ahabuh is that love in the Bible, and there are two Hebrew words for love, is love requires relational beings. In other words one being functions as a provider of love and the other being responds to that love. I also get the impression that love is not possible on one's own. You can study my studies of love here spiritualsprings.org/ss-845.htmD" It is the only way Jesus on earth could have spoken to God in heavenR" Not sure what you saying here, but Jesus had to live under the same way humans live in faith under the Most high 1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 4, 2021 6:35:59 GMT -5
D" You claim there are 3 individual and independent gods Rob replies: Three personalities of love, yes. Three independent gods, absolutely not. What part of my words are you finding hard to fathom?My personal view is to think of GOD as a Family of three divine beings, Dave asks" It is the only way love can exist you say Rob replies" My humble opinion from Scripture study of ahab and ahabuh is that love in the Bible, and there are two Hebrew words for love, is love requires relational beings.So you deny that love can be unrequited There must be at least two gods – so love can be reciprocalYou can study my studies of love here spiritualsprings.org/ss-845.htm D" It is the only way Jesus on earth could have spoken to God in heaven R" Not sure what you saying here, but Jesus had to live under the same way humans live in faith under the Most highPlease remain consistent with your argument Mr Flip Flop You consistently argue – who could Jesus pray to the father if they were the Hebrew cardinal one
From your same postRichard raised the idea that all Christian groups view the trinity as GOD expressed in three expressions, GOD as the Father, GOD as a SON on earth, and GOD as the Holy Spirit.
So does this mean the Father in the Christ form was praying to the Father in Father form in heaven?My personal view is to think of GOD as a Family of three divine beings, So you deny that there is only One True Creator So I tried in vain to find a website that explains and details Dave's view, and I can't find any. I also cannot find any view of Richards account of the trinity either.what is the Christian trinityAbout 69,200,000 results (0.88 seconds) A Trinity (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)Trinity doctrine is commonly expressed as the statement that the one God exists as or in three equally divine “Persons”, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Every term in this statement (God, exists, as or in, equally divine, Person) has been variously understood. Jul 23, 2009 God exists as or in three equally divine “Persons”God is God – God is Spirit – God is ChristJoh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Most Christians accept scripture There is no website that explains my own personal account of the GOD either, except my own website called SpiritualSprings.orgBecause you deny scripture and do not support the Christian view You insist on a pantheon of multiple godsHowever in a fair assessment of this topic, I wanted to see how Jews view this thread. jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v01-n08/a-jewish-view-of-the-trinity-based-on-the-hebrew-scriptures/ This is a really good article on the Internet written I assume by a Jew?DUH – Jews for Jesus would be a Messianic JewQuote – “the idea of a God being a three-in-one unity actually has its roots in foundational Judaism” The Holy Spirit cannot be a mere emanation because He contains all the characteristics of personality (intellect, emotion, and will) and is considered divine.God is God – God is Spirit – God is ChristSo if this is all written in the Hebrew Scriptures, why do conservative Jews reject the notion of plurality, and stick only to a single cardinal one strong authority? 1 – your knowledge of Judaism is in error Who has taught you what Jews believe – your SDA church? This what you do – you fail to remain consistent – you just mix a bunch of wives-tails together to make up you impression of Judaism You are an SDA – what if I constantly quote Mormons and JW and call it SDA theology You would just say – I do not know what I am talking aboutLET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR – ALL MESSANIC JEWS ARE PHARASITICAL – we believe in the spirit and the afterlife – and the Divine Pardonwhy do conservative Jews reject the notion of plurality, - They don’tMale father sits upon the Throne – female shekinah – is the spirit of God that comes among the people Not sure if you are a Star Trex fan - but here is the simplest explanination you will ever hear youtu.be/uDIuFP5KBCsLearn - if you dare If you ask a Hebrew how many members are in a Hebrew family, they would say three, but if you asked the Hebrew how many foundational Lords (adon) are in the family, they would answer one. Earthy family –vrs- God – the One True CreatorSeriously Robert – you cannot tell the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2021 15:37:38 GMT -5
Dave writes so little of his theory
"Male father sits upon the Throne – female shekinah – is the spirit of God that comes among the people"
So the Most High Provider sit on the throne as both masculine and feminine expressions of the Most High Provider, and sometimes when people ask the feminine expression of the Most High comes among the people"
Is this a more detailed sentence of what you believe and support Dave?
Now do you have a Messanic Jewish website that explains this view of the Most High Provider, being the single cardinal one of Strong Authority?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 4, 2021 19:59:48 GMT -5
Dave writes so little of his theory Not my theory – simple Judeo-Christian theology and it is so simple why just reapeat the same words over and over
"Male father sits upon the Throne – female shekinah – is the spirit of God that comes among the people"
So the Most High Provider sit on the throne as both masculine and feminine expressions of the Most High Provider, and sometimes when people ask the feminine expression of the Most High comes among the people"
Is this a more detailed sentence of what you believe and support Dave?
You can mock God all you want You mock the Holy Spirit – you deny that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God You deny that Chist is God – and deny that Jesus Christ was God incarnate Impress me with your SDA satanic anti-Christian views
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 13:56:17 GMT -5
Do not wish to detail ? Hmm?
Explain how the Father can set up a female shekinah medium on His own, than allow his own powers to flow through medium, controlled by the Father, so the Father can touch sinners so the sinner does not perish from an encounter by the Father of lights?
For this diminishing effect of a medium, with light pouring into the medium, the medium has to be passive, and allow the light to enter and exit, without supplying energy itself. How does a Father do this and not supply energy, yet allow his own energy to flow through it, causing a medium affect?
For example consider a magnifying glass medium, and sunlight. The sun enters the medium and makes a hole of fire, or makes images smaller or makes images virtual.
Is it possible for the Father to make glass into a medium from matter. I suppose. Than allow his light to enter the medium and create affects? I suppose.
But what about mediums that change when the person receiving the medium wants the medium to change? Can the Father do that at the same time allow his own power to flow through without hurting the sinner who wants to change? For me it is must easier to view a help mate as a separate eternal divine entity who works with me as my medium, than to think of this medium as also an expression of the Father.
It says the Medium bears witness with my medium we are children of the Father.
I remember Gnostic writings speak of the HS getting smells of sin, as much as I do not like this idea, but how can the Father smell of sin and remain sinless? Much easier to view the helpmate as a different entity.
Why do I think this?
I am a sinner. I need an entity to respond to my pleadings. I am not ready to meet a provider for my loving needs. A Responder is a different function of loving than a provider. Could not one Being do both providing and responding? Yes, but love is relational not solitary. In a family of love gender males do mostly providing and gender females do mostly responding with loving styles. Child like love can equally do both, hence Jesus is a mother and father to me, the sinner, who is my helpmate getting me ready to experience my heavenly Father.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 6, 2021 6:25:49 GMT -5
Explain how the Father can set up a female shekinah medium on His own, than allow his own powers to flow through medium, controlled by the Father, so the Father can touch sinners so the sinner does not perish from an encounter by the Father of lights?
First you ask – How can God do something on His own, Proof right there we do not believe in the same God Then you ask - how the Father can set up a female shekinah medium on His own And the answer is – wait for it – the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God
This is hard for you to grasp because you deny spirit – People are only biology – no spirit there – impossible you say And you think the same of your God – just biology – no spirit there – impossible For you – the Holy Spirit is a second god – another person For me – the Holy Spirit is just the Spirit of God – the same person
It says the Medium bears witness with my medium we are children of the Father. Correct Rom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. God Himself in Spirit witnesses to our “spirit” YES I believe this Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you.
So why do you deny the spirit? OH I know - Ellen White - and the precepts of man
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 13:06:29 GMT -5
I take it by the lack of answers, you do not understand what I am asking, or you do not understand. I have also had the same problems myself, my SDA scholar once spoke of the Hebrew Construct State, and I did not even see this written down until 10 years later after reading it again. I have links to my old studies on the medium, please read them, avoiding my comments about Lucifer or Satan. I also perceive your answers lie in the "spirit notion" something I do not understand, so I too have a problem with your view. We both do not understand each other. Here is the link spiritualsprings.org/ss-760.htm than on the bottom of this webpage click to view another webpage on the properties of the medium. Consider what mediums are: they are personal functions of a Being as a wave of quantum. Not essentially of matter, though for my science similes I use matter mediums, such as glass, water and air. You speak of the HS as a spirit or wave, correct, and I term this a medium, because this is what the function is about in our world of matter, a simile of a medium. The use of spirit (your term) is nebulous and there is no simile to explain its functions. But as a medium, we can make similes of the functions of the HS as a spirit medium. Most consider the spirit mediums as speaking to ghost like beings from the dead. The is a functional role in Scripture too, generally we are not allowed to use mediums in this way. The crutch of the theories is whether the medium is of the same person of the Father, or separated as different person from the Father. If we look at the similes of Genesis, Adam was made from divine code embedded into matter, thus the code is a simile of our "spirit" you so long to have that makes us who we us. But added to this divine code is also a relationship with the Father, via the HS, who functions as a medium for the breath of life from the Father, thus humans are always relational beings with the Father. Cause this separation in any way, is called missing, and immediately there comes a dying experience, the death process if you will, the final state of separation from the Father is when you cease to exist and the relationship is permanently ended. My definitions here do not consider death as anything to do with biology, and really death has little to do with biology, as some cells continue living after the soul is separated from the Father upon your "mortal death" an idiom you use often. Eve was a genetic clone of Adam, having the exact same divine code Adam had. SO in a literal sense she came from the same divine code as Adam did, and this is exactly the same simile as your idea of trinity, that these two persons originated from the same divine code. However embedded in the divine code are codes for love. The maleness love code causes the gender male to ahab, and the femaleness love code causes the gender female to ahabuh. The children from this divine code is a mixture of the divine code originally set up inside Adam and Eve, so Seth is termed a "Son of GOD" is true, and this loving style of the son is again different from either of the parents love. These three vessels of the same divine code is a simile of your view as a trinity of persons emerging from the same divine code, GOD placed inside them. But you insist these three persons think, act and function as the same as each other. I think not. One of the functions I note from the Genesis similes is the Father is a creator of variety. Eventually this same divine code is obtains variety over time, each person has its own cognitive centre, it own eyes and its own thoughts to do with these inputs, so over time the processes of the divine code allows differences in personalities to emerge. Some animal kinds could have interbred within the kinds, but after many generations the differences cause them not to interbreed. Example lion and tigers do not generally interbreed, but technically can, as they of the same kind. All these comments Dave are my own, and are NOT coming from others such as your idea of SDA influences. Bother forum does not embed my images anymore. Consider a medium of two media. In this case air and water. The Father's light enters the air and the water and the ray is bent by the presence of the medium. Can this be achieved by the Father alone? Hmm? The light from the Father is a particle or wave Dave? to me it travels as a particle first. But no matter. The ray is bent by the matter the light enters. I suppose the Father could make matter from Himself and allow His light to enter that matter. The matter acts passively and the Father's light enters. What about medium that change properties of media at will, constantly because the sinner requires this? In this case the Father requires a being capable of talking, doing, thinking and functioning like a feminine person using matter, while the same Father is secure on His throne and the Father of lights enters this Being as a medium. Is this possible? Hmm? Here you see a male and female both doing different things to the medium. I think it easier to view the energy involved in these processes as two separated personalities, just as the similes of Adam and Eve were also separated as two personalities of loving, but of the same divine code embedded in the DNA. What advantage is there in having two personalities rather than one personality expressing two personalities? Do we have similes of this idea? yes. Personality disorder, I have a son in law who claims to have two personalities in the same body, he is living proof that living with two expressions from the same body is possible. Yes but is this idea functional or dysfunctional? To me the idea of this is a disease, a product of archon possession and not good for you. I see from the Genesis similes, that the image of GOD implies the personalities of loving become independent and unique from each other. This allows love to be risky and unpredictable, perhaps not to GOD, but certainly to us humans. If the medium was the Father in essence, what stops the medium from absorbing the Father of lights, if its the same essence. Why have as medium at all if it's the same as the Father? You make things far too complex and deep Dave, I just read the similes from Genesis and stick to them. A simile though does not mean the same as the real picture it presenting. Yes, but it's a close estimation. If you have read my response, I am agreeing with your ideas, but also disagreeing with you. I see the concept of GOD as a mystery and it is best to think less about it and spend more time using the power in our daily lives. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2021 7:33:14 GMT -5
I take it by the lack of answers, you do not understand what I am asking, or you do not understand. First you ask – How can God do something on His own,Proof right there we do not believe in the same God Then you ask - how the Father can set up a female shekinah medium on His ownAnd the answer is – wait for it – t he Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GodThis is hard for you to grasp because you deny spirit – People are only biology – no spirit there – impossible you say And you think the same of your God – just biology – no spirit there – impossible For you – the Holy Spirit is a second god – another person For me – the Holy Spirit is just the Spirit of God – the same person It says the Medium bears witness with my medium we are children of the Father.Correct Rom 8:16 The Ruach Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. God Himself in Spirit witnesses to our “spirit” YES I believe thisJoh 14:26 But the Helper, the Ruach ha-Kodesh whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of everything that I said to you. So why do you deny the spirit?OH I know - Ellen White - and the precepts of man Most consider the spirit mediums as speaking to ghost like beings from the dead. The is a functional role in Scripture too, generally we are not allowed to use mediums in this way.Here ya go Robert – miss mash thing around so it is confusingAll this time we have been talking about the medium upon which the multi-verse is based upon – the matrix / the ether of it all And now you are confused with Fortune Tellers The crutch of the theories is whether the medium is of the same person of the Father, or separated as different person from the Father. Correct – the question is One True God or multiple godsBut added to this divine code is also a relationship with the Father, via the HS, who functions as a medium for the breath of life from the Father, thus humans are always relational beings with the Father. You say a bunch of religious words here – what do you mean by this 1- So your HS is the ether that the breath of life travels from the Father to man I agree – the HS is the ether at the very sub-atomic level that sustains the ALL And therefore you can say everything is relational to the Creator in this regard – OK2- and though this ether – God Breathed the Breath of Life into man Agree – the spirit of man was placed with the animal as our soul – agree AND YES – the entire point of Judaism and now Christianity is a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Creator – man to God and Sprit to Spirit Cause this separation in any way, is called missing, YES – when man CHOOSES to disobey God – to ignore God - is missing God = sin - agreeand immediately there comes a dying experience, the death process if you will, the final state of separation from the Father is when you cease to exist and the relationship is permanently ended. YES – agreed – sin = the second death – the death of spirit My definitions here do not consider death as anything to do with biology,YES! – it is all about the soul of man – the spirit - nothing to do with biology – could not agree moreBut you insist these three persons think, act and function as the same as each other. I think not. One of the functions I note from the Genesis similes is the Father is a creator of variety.They are the One and Only God – YesBut – each has a different function God the Father is Creator and Judge – omnipotent / omniscient Spirit is the ether – your medium – the matrix – God at distance – God Omnipresent Christ – is God within Creation Whenever God appears in creation, in the ahl or agl, with form it = Christ Bother forum does not embed my images anymore. Consider a medium of two media. In this case air and water. It is corporeal – it is world – stop thinking of your God as a man of biologyIf you have read my response, I am agreeing with your ideas, but also disagreeing with you. I see the concept of GOD as a mystery and it is best to think less about it and spend more time using the power in our daily lives.You say the important issue is application of our faith in our daily lives.I say it is a spiritual event – being a Christian is a spiritual thing I say Communion with God is a Spiritual thing – a Personal relationship And I say the goal is to be the First Fruits serving the Lord here and in heaven Also – My God is absolute – His Will – His PlanYou doubt the spirit - man is only biology You say being a Christian is about a bunch of daily rituals and worship routines You say communion is a ritual you cannot perform with a coke and French Fries – it is a worship ritual that must be done correctly as tradition And you say the goal is only the grave – to await living again as biology Also – your God is at war with His own Kingdom against another strong authorityPersonally Robert – I see nothing Christian about SDA theology It teaches doubt – denies the spirit – embraces satan as a strong authority that rules
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 13:57:50 GMT -5
D" But – each has a different function God the Father is Creator and Judge – omnipotent / omniscient Spirit is the ether – your medium – the matrix – God at distance – God Omnipresent Christ – is God within CreationR" You agree with my presentation, and present this at the end. I can relate to this idea as well. GOD is more complex that we can think, however, I can relate to what your have said here. D" You doubt the spirit - man is only biology You say being a Christian is about a bunch of daily rituals and worship routines You say communion is a ritual you cannot perform with a coke and French Fries – it is a worship ritual that must be done correctly as tradition And you say the goal is only the grave – to await living again as biology Also – your God is at war with His own Kingdom against another strong authority
Personally Robert – I see nothing Christian about SDA theology It teaches doubt – denies the spirit – embraces satan as a strong authority that rules" R Finally you add this mockery about me and my SDA theology? You do not know neither of these, yet you are now an expert in these two matters? I admire your positive comments in this post Dave. You agree with me, and I also agree.I will ignore the last posted comments. Enjoy your day and walk in the LORD, the Father of lights, support the living words and GOD will support you, with HIS LOVE. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 7, 2021 14:17:55 GMT -5
D" But – each has a different function God the Father is Creator and Judge – omnipotent / omniscient Spirit is the ether – your medium – the matrix – God at distance – God Omnipresent Christ – is God within Creation R" You agree with my presentation, and present this at the end. I can relate to this idea as well. GOD is more complex that we can think, however, I can relate to what your have said here.This is not a family of 3 godsThere is only one God Man can never see God face to face But we can experience Him as spirit – HS And we can experience Him within creation as ChristD" You doubt the spirit - man is only biology You say being a Christian is about a bunch of daily rituals and worship routines You say communion is a ritual you cannot perform with a coke and French Fries – it is a worship ritual that must be done correctly as tradition And you say the goal is only the grave – to await living again as biology Also – your God is at war with His own Kingdom against another strong authority R Finally you add this mockery about me and my SDA theology? The only thing I know about SDA theology comes from you as you present it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 3:42:59 GMT -5
Dave "This is not a family of 3 gods"
A Hebrew family is never defined as three independent separate beings or persons. A sinless family is never independent or separate. What you have quoted is pagan.
I will prove this to you, OK?
Ro 10:1 ¶ Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul speaks that hardly any Israelite's were saved in the OT times. Why? They did not "submit" the Hebrew here is "subdue" or in English means "surrender".
What did they not surrender? SELF
In Greek the word is "hupotasso" in Hebrew the word is "subdue" in English the word is "surrender".
Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
It says here you have to surrender your flesh to GOD because it causes you to sin. And we must receive the Spirit of Christ, via the HS, so that we have the Spirit of the Father dwelling in us. (Not some spirit we already have in us, as your claim, but the Spirit of the Father dwelling in us. How is this achieved? By surrendering our old flesh and replacing it with the Spirit of the Father.
Eph 5:21 ¶ Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
The man is to surrender SELF, that ruler of your flesh, to Christ.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body
Notice the wife surrender to her husband who also surrender to Jesus.
So if all the members in a family are surrendering to Jesus, than Jesus rules over the members of the Family. Hence the family is never independent nor does the family have separate members within it. Self does not exist, and all powers flow outwards from the husband. What we have here is echad, one cardinal source, one authority.
In summary Dave, a sinless family never consists of " a family of 3 gods".
Therefore God is a family of one Being expressing three co-eternal unique personalities of love.
How is this possible? echad. Only works if the family is sinless and fully surrendered relationally
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Apr 8, 2021 4:15:14 GMT -5
Therefore God is a family of one BeingFinally you understand – a family on one - a TrinityThis is not a family of 3 godsThere is only one God Man can never see God face to face But we can experience Him as spirit – HS And we can experience Him within creation as Christ D" If you argued a family of 1 – you might get more respect How can I possible make it more clearGod = God The Spirit of God = the Holy Spirit Christ = God within creation Jesus Christ was (God + (Jesus the animal)) Jesus Christ was (Son of God + Son of Man)
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