D" Messianic Jews believe in God and The Messiah
R" I quote what others say about Messianic Jews
Christians regard Jesus as their Messiah, and this belief is the foundation of their entire faith. For most Jews, however, Jesus is viewed as a historical figure in the tradition of teachers and prophets, but they do not believe he is the Chosen One, the Messiah sent to redeem mankind. Some Jews may even regard Jesus with enmity, seeing him as a false idol.
Yes – this is correct – Christians accept Jesus as the Messiah
And the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because Jesus did not complete all the prophesies about the Messiah – The Jews expected The Messiah to reign as King of the earth after his coming – instead the man was put to death However, one relatively modern faith movement known as Messianic Judaism combines Jewish and Christian beliefs by accepting Jesus as their promised Messiah. Messianic Jews seek to retain their Jewish heritage and follow a Jewish lifestyle, while at the same time embracing Christian theology.
Hmmm? Is Messianic Judaism a new invention – John, Peter, James, Phillip, Thomas, Mary, Thaddeus, Bartholomew, and everyone around Jesus were Jews that became Christians - everyone present at Pentecost were Jews that became ChristiansMany Christians view Messianic Judaism as a sect of Christianity, as its adherents accept key beliefs of the Christian faith. They acknowledge the New Testament as part of their holy Scriptures, for example, and they believe that salvation comes by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as the promised Savior sent from God.
Is that a problem for you – do you consider this to be an errorMost Messianic Jews are Jewish by heritage and generally think of themselves as Jews, even though they are not regarded as such by other Jews, or by the legal system in Israel. Messianic Jews see themselves as completed Jews since they have found their Messiah. Traditional Jews consider Messianic Jews to be Christians, however, and in Israel sporadic persecution of Messianic Jews has occurred."
Beliefs and Practices of Messianic JewsMessianic Jews accept Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) as the Messiah yet retain a Jewish lifestyle. After conversion, they continue to observe Jewish holidays, rituals, and customs. Theology tends to vary widely among Messianic Jews and is a blend of Jewish and Christian tradition. Here are several notable beliefs of Messianic Judaism:
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.Baptism: Baptism is done by immersion, of people who are old enough to understand, accept and confess Yeshua (Jesus) as Messiah, or Savior. In this regard, Messianic Jewish practice is similar to that of Christian Baptists.Baptism is a 100% Jewish ritualWhat was Jewish John the Baptist doing in the river – who Baptized Jesus – John the Jew
Who saw Jesus become Baptised? – other Jews who were their being Baptised
In this regard, Messianic Jewish practice is similar to that of Christian Baptists.Sorry Robert – Baptism is a Christian ritual borrowed from the Jews – you have is ass backwardsCircumcision: Messianic Jews generally hold that male believers must be circumcised since it is a part of keeping the Covenant.
Yes – Peter preached thisMat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
And it caused a problem between Peter and Paul – Acts 15 + Gal 2
As a result of their disagreement – Paul was forced to complete the sacrifices of a Nazarite – Acts 21
Luk 2:21 When eight days had passed for His brit-milah, He was named Yeshua, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.
Jesus was circumcised – and he was known before His conceptionRemember this – it is not about biology –
it is all about a spiritual relationshipWhat if you were born with a birth defect – does this mean you cannot be a Jew or Christian?
What if you were injured in war – does this mean you can never accept Christ?
Remember this – it is not about biology – it is all about a spiritual relationship
Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision done not by hand, in the stripping away of the body of the flesh through the circumcision of Messiah.
The Gospel of Thomas -
(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."
Remember this – it is not about biology – it is all about a spiritual relationshipCommunion: The Messianic worship service does not include communion or the Lord's Supper.
Correct – Judaism has never mandated that for communion to occur you need Temple and a Rabbi
Jews practiced quorbots / korbats
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/sacrifices-and-offerings-karbanotPurposes of KarbanotContrary to popular belief, the purpose of Karbanot is not simply to obtain forgiveness from sin. Although many Karbanot have the effect of expiating sins, there are many other purposes for bringing Karbanot,
Zevach Sh'lamim: Peace Offering - is an offering expressing thanks or gratitude to G-d for His bounties and mercies
Chatat: Sin Offering - s an offering to atone for and purge a sin.
Asham: Guilt Offering - is an offering to atone for sins of stealing things from the altar
Food and Drink Offerings - (minchah) represented the devotion of the fruits of man's work to G-d,
What is a practicing Jew to do – if he is far from the Temple
What is a practicing Jew to do – if he is in jail in another country
What is a practicing Jew to do - if the government banns your religion and language
Answer – you make Korbats – where ever you are – just you and God – one on one
King David did it all the time we was in the wilderness
All the Patriarchs had no Temple – and no Rabbis
How many years have the Jews existed without a Temple and Rabbi?
Communion: The Messianic worship service does not include communion or the Lord's Supper.The Gospel of Philip - The Nag Hammadi LibraryBecause of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.
To be a Jew means you practice your faith – with or without a Temple or Rabbi
To be a Christian means to be a Christian – regardless if there is a building and priest near by
Remember this – it is not about biology – it is all about a spiritual relationship
I teach my Children that we can experience “Communion” with French fries and a Coke sitting in a parking lot somewhere
This is one reason the First Christians must be stamped out – they have no need for a church building and a priest – their Temple was God’s creation just like King David – and they were all priestDietary laws: Some Messianic Jews observe kosher dietary laws, others do not.
Relaxed by Jesus in Mathew 10 I do not eat pork (my choice) but I would not starve to death staring at a piece of bacon
We all decide for ourselves – to what decree we adhere to any laws
To be a good American – people will stop at a red light at 3am and sit there alone for 10 minutes waiting for the light to change – in those 10 minutes they might not see another car anywhere – yet they sit at that red light because it is the law
Others (me included) just run the red light once we realize we are the only people awake at 3 am
There is the letter of the law – and the intent of the law
Gifts of the Spirit: Many Messianic Jews are charismatic, and practice speaking in tongues. This makes them similar to Pentecostal Christians. They believe that the Holy Spirit's gift of healing also continues today.
YES – Absolutely – each and every person at the temple celebrating the Jewish festival of weeks/harvest - that received the gift of speaking in tongues were Jewish – Messianic Jews let the prayer and all the Jews there left as Messianic Jews – the First Christian – the people who wrote the agl / acts / and the Nag Hammadi
Holidays: Holy days observed by Messianic Jews include those recognized by Judaism: Passover, Sukkot, Yom Kippur, and Rosh Hashanah.
And so do I – I pause and recognize the day – it become the topic of discussion in my home
Do we always attend a service somewhere – no not usually
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass.
Mat 5:19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
Most do not celebrate Christmas or Easter.
Absolutely – I would say none do - Jesus was born in the spring (March or April)
Tammuz – the abomination of Ezk 8 – was born on Dec 25, to his father Nimrod
killed by a wild bore at age 40 – this is why the women weep for him for 40 days (Catholic Lent)
And his mother Isthar – returned to earth at the spring equinox in an egg and changed a bird into an egg laying rabbit
This is why Catholic started the worship of Christmas and Easter with id traditional ham dinner and Easter egg hunt
Jesus Christ: Messianic Jews refer to Jesus by his Hebrew name, Yeshua. They accept him as the Messiah promised in the Old Testament, and believe he died an atoning death for the sins of humanity, was raised from the dead, and is still alive today.I believe this – don’t you?Sabbath: Like traditional Jews, Messianic Jews observe the Sabbath starting at sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday.
YES! – this is exactly why we know the Last Supper was not on Friday
I also have a family meal Friday Night – followed by a family bible discussion
And I have an excuse to sleep in Saturday morning
Sin: Sin is regarded as any transgression against the Torah and is cleansed by the shed blood of Yeshua.
YES – sin = the choice / the decision to ignore the Torah or GodCleansed by the blood –
yes in metaphor Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice / quorbots – and this satisfies all the ahl requirements of the Messiah
Isa 53 – the suffering servant – but again – it is not about a human sacrifice – it is about a spiritual communion with the creator – it is all about the resurrection and the life we have after moral death
Trinity: Messianic Jews vary in their beliefs about the Triune God: Father (HaShem); Son (HaMeshiach); and the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). Most accept the Trinity in a manner similar to that of Christians.
As do I
The Dualism of Judaism = Father male + female shekinah
The Trinity = Father male + female shekinah spiritually) + (Father male + (Jesus the animal)) = The son male – Jesus Christ
The only difference Christianity adds = the Son is the Father – the Father is also the Son
Worship services: The nature of worship differs from congregation to congregation. Prayers may be read from the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, in Hebrew or the local language. The service may include songs of praise to God, canting, and spontaneous speaking in tongues.
Just as Christian services differ from congregation to congregationMy local Messianic Jewish congregation – Pueblo Colorado – 56 miles from me
The leader is called Rabbi and Paster
The Paster leads the group in song – they use a traditional Christian Hymnal and they attempt to sing the Psalms – but it is hard in English – the words don’t rhyme – or sound euphonic together
My local Messianic Jewish congregation
The Paster/Rabbi reads and write Hebrew – but his services are in English
Canting – do you know what this is – our friend Dan Black was/is a Cantor in his Philadelphia Synagogue
Friday nights at my house -
both daighters are 7yrs of piano lessons and My oldest has picked up the guitar
youtu.be/NrBZNSd7TUMSINGING THE SCRIPTURES- PSALM 91!!!
Please start at 6:40 and listed just for a minuteThe JOY OF CHRIST - HAPPY - LOVE - Hallulah - PRAISE28:15 she begins to preach in tongues and spiritual healing
youtu.be/--UABwqW9SgPsalms 104 sung in ancient Hebrew | ברכי נפשי את ה' - תהלים קד
When we play something like this in our house –
I close my eyes I and pretend I am at the Jewish Wedding with Christ
And since 2012 and meeting Dan Black – I cannot help picture him as the cantor
Imagine a 63 yrs old man singing this in front of the congregation
(start watching at 1:55 - just for a moment)youtu.be/DkHqaBxPoAMSons of Korah Psalm 1 in English
spontaneous speaking in tongues. –
not just tongues, but teach all the gifts of the HSRemember – Pentecost happened – in a Jewish temple filled with Jews – 100s of Jews
Congregations: A Messianic congregation can be a very diverse group, including Jews who carefully follow Jewish laws, Jews who have a more liberal lifestyle, and individuals who do not follow Jewish laws or customs at all.
Correct – it is not about the letter of the Law – but the intent of the Law
Some evangelical Christians may even choose to join a Messianic Jewish congregation.
YES – Christians wanting to honor all of God and Mathew 5:17-20 are returning back to the original faith of the First Christians
Messianic synagogues follow the same design as traditional synagogues. In areas where a formal Messianic synagogue is unavailable, some Messianic Jews may choose worship at evangelical Christian churches."
YES – quorbots – wherever you are - PRAISEOK I am not familar with Messanic Jewish practices, so help me out?
Why don't they practice the Lord's supper each Sabbath, like Acts-Jews did?They do – every Friday night (wiki)
At the Friday night dinner, Jewish families transition from their everyday lives to a more spiritual time. ... Jewish parents often bless their children before the meal begins as well.We try to do this consistently
But I do not miss watching my girls sing in choir performance – just because it’s Friday
Shabbat is the Jewish Day of Rest. Shabbat happens each week from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. During Shabbat, Jewish people remember the story of creation from the Torah where God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Different Jewish people celebrate Shabbat in different ways.On Friday evening the Shabbat is welcomed with the lighting of the two candles.(we don’t light the candles)Why do they practice speaking in tongues, when the Act-Jews did not?Sorry Robert –
the Jews at the Temple spoke in tongues – in a mass event
Everyone there was a Jew – and a Messianic Jew when they leftWhy do they circumcise when Paul says explicitly not to ?
It seems to me these groups are practicing legalism and being deceived?I was – and the male children of my family are – for health reasons
Medically speaking – that fold of skin retains bacteria that can fester
Every syphilis patient always gets his open sore at this spot – in the fold
And it does not have to be a venereal disease – any bacteria – staph is common
Today – men who are not circumcised – take extra hygiene precautions
Fact – google this – uncircumcised men who engage in sodomy – are at risk of infection at this spot
FYI – what is the intent of the Law – to keep Israel healthy and well to be God’s chosen people
FYI – in a culture that does not bath every day – circumcision promotes good health
Today – we have showers and soaps / body washes an scrubs
But the Law was written for ancient man
Question – why does the Torah mandate the brisk to be held on day 8?
Answer – the infant day 1-6 – has little to no ‘coagulation factors’ – they would bleed like crazy / die
On Day 7 – the infant begins to make these ‘coagulant factors ‘ (specifically factors V and VIII)
On Day 8 – there is an explosion of these clotting factors surging through the infants body
On Day 9 – these factors begin to decline to normal
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DO we agree of the 83 verses, that "satan" means to "oppose" and certainly does NOT mean "prosecute" as you claim for some contexts?Oppose/ accuse / as in prosecute man – not God The majority of Jews did not understand amanuah.The majority of Christian are no different - should we speak disrespectfully about Christianity?Consider this study Dave, where the evidence comes only from JOB:
"Why does GOD have a hedge of protection"?Because Job loves the Lord WHO rules this land of darkness, this shadow of death place? Where the light is as darkness?
For the MILLIONTH TIME - 3D physical WORLD is the dolman of the archon and has been since Gen 1:2
H6635 "hosts of beings" are against JOB.
As I have said – satan is also able to use the archon to facilitate his mission to facilitate God’s Will on earth
Satan can send a lion upon you – or a cockroach – or an archon The Book of Jubilees clears tell is this 10:8 And the chief of the spirits, Mastêmâ, 2 came and said: "Lord, Creator, let some of them remain before me, and let them hearken to my voice, and do all that I shall say unto them; for if some of them are not left to me, I shall not be able to execute the power of my will on the sons of men; for these are for corruption and leading astray before my judgment,Before my judgment –
says satan?D" Asclepius 21-29 - The Nag Hammadi Library
R" you believe in this? I pity your theology.I suggest you study the Shadow of Death, and WHOM rules this land.
Rev 2:10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, so that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.
Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. I suggest you by a dictionary ant study Zec 3I realize you do not believe it possible for man to be the first fruits in heaven
You must deny Rev 20:4 - and the transfiguration of Christ
Evidently – you deny the Divine Pardon – you only want to be judged for your works and deed in proportional punishment
I say – go for it
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Ps 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Why do the KJV change the term into hosts, leaving out the army aspect of GOD?(Wiki) Heavenly host (Hebrew: צבאות sabaoth or tzva'ot, "armies") refers to the army (Luke 2:13) of angels mentioned both in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles, as well as other Jewish and Christian texts.
The Bible gives several descriptions of angels in military terms, such as their encampment (Genesis 32:1–2), command structure
I do not understand your confusion – or your questionJob 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
There are two groups of Beings listed here, both present during the Creation of Earth.
morning stars, and sons of God.
I see morning stars as angels and sons of GOD as other unfallen beings looking on from other unfallen worlds, all praising GOD during Creation of Earth.
OK – two groups – one on the right hand and one on the left handYou say one group (right hand) = correct angels that were created to serve and praise
Another group (left hand) = archon
Let's us examine the Hebrew word – shouted for joy -
H7321 – רוּעַ - roo-ah' - A primitive root; to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph
Job 38:7 (LXX) ὅτε ἐγενήθησαν ἄστρα, ᾔνεσάν με φωνῇ μεγάλῃ πάντες ἄγγελοί μου.
Translation = all of the stars made by God praised – while all the rest of the angels made a (μεγάλῃ)
G3173 – μέγας - Including the prolonged forms, femine μεγάλη megalē, plural μέγάλοι megaloi, etc.; compare also G3176, G3187], big (literally or figuratively, in a very wide application): - (+ fear) exceedingly, great (-est), high, large, loud, mighty, + (be) sore (afraid), strong, X to years.
Translation = all of the stars made by God praised – while all the rest of the angels made a loud and mighty and strong and exceedingly great + fear + afraid
If I translated the Bible this verse would say
all of the stars made by God praised – while all the rest of the angels made a loud alarm / cry in fear / afraid they sounded an alarm – made a war cry
My translation is just as valid – therefore
all of the stars made by God praised – while the archon made a loud cry – a loud alarmJob 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Isn’t this the point of the Contest – at the Lake of fire all the ra agents are purged from the system
Why does GOD mention wicked when Creating earth, who are these wicked ?
DUH –
Rev 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a great fiery red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.
Rev 12:4 His tail sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven—it hurled them to the earth. Now the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that whenever she gave birth he might devour her child.
The archon and physical creation awaiting to devour Adam and Eve and all mankind
Jer 4:22 “For My people are foolish. They do not know Me. They are senseless children, and they have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, but to do good they do not know.”
This is speaking of both archon in the firat age and man in the next ageJer 4:23 I looked at the earth and behold, it was deserted and desolate, and at the heavens and they had no light.
This is obviously happening before Gen 1:3Jer 4:24 I looked at the mountains—behold, they were shaking and all the hills swaying to and fro.
Jer 4:25 I looked and behold, no people! All the birds of the sky had fled.
Jer 4:26 I looked and behold, the fruitful field was a wilderness and all of its cities were in ruins before Adonai, before His fierce anger.
Before gen 1:3 – what are mountains – no people – no fowl + the fruitful field was a wilderness
It was choshek – Gen 1:2 – the First Archon and his offspring – hidden away in the cloud of smoke and fire – physical creation Jer 4:27 For thus says Adonai, “The whole land will be wasteland, yet I will not totally destroy it.
Jer 4:28 Therefore, the earth will mourn and the heavens above grow black. For I have spoken, I have purposed, nor will I relent, nor turn from it.
YES – the ContestJob 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Even more strange, why are these gates mentioned during the Creation of Earth?YES – the story of the FIRST AGE that all took place in the invisible heavensGen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens (The First Age) and the earth. (The Second Age)
Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
There is more to the Creation of Earth than we are told simply in the Genesis account.
ABSOLUTLY – and I have been screaming this point to you for 2 years
10 full dimensions filled with life – man is only able to see this dimension for it is brutish (3D corporeal)1st Book of Adam and Eve8:2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
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Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
Seems to be darkness had a place, a gate where one could enter, already on the Earth, and was there before earth was Created. Even wicked ?? was there also.
YES – choshek – the abyss – where the First Archon and his offspring – and where the First archon (beast) still resides ------------
God challenges humans who never existed during CreationCorrection – you forget in this text God is speaking to an animal man named JobAnimal ma did not exist in heaven during the first age – this is correct
Spirit man Adamus was there with all the host of heaven form on Day 1
The issue is – once in a corporeal body – the power of yester ra causes animal man to forget who he truly is
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Job 38:25 ¶ Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
How can GOD describe Rain on the earth during Creation, when it did not rain until Adam sinned?
DEPENDS on what you call rainWEDD – suggest that much f the earths surface crst was formed by the “RAINING OUT” of materials upon the ground as protoplanet earth’s large gas atm digested incoming space rock 3
as protoplanet earth’s large gas atm –burnt up incoming meteors / space rock
RAINING the residue onto the surface – causing the layering effect we see in the deepest rock strata
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Let's continue looking at "shadow of death", as JOB offers only a few clues.
Ps 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
We are not to fear the shadow of death or RA, because GOD is in control
Correct –
in Judaism the valley is the spread legs of a birthing motherThe light at the end of the tunnel – ‘don’t go into the light’ he fear cry
The light at the end of the tunnel is THIS WORLD at the end of the birth canal
the valley of the shadow of death = this 3D corporeal WORLD4 Yea,
though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
(as I souljourn here in this WORLD) I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
YES – AbsolutelyHere is a major clue, the shadow of death is a place where dragons live, termed in Hebrew "el" a strong authority that causes humans to turn their hearts from GOD.
YES – SO OBVIOUS – this WORLD is the domain of the ARCHON and has been since Gen 1:2Normally humans walk in darkness dwell in the land of the shadows of death, where these dragons live.
YES – SO OBVIOUS – this WORLD is the domain of the ARCHON and has been since Gen 1:2Jer 2:6
Seems the land of the shadow of death is also a physcial place on earth, where no man can pass through it, a desert perhaps, used as a simile?
It is the earth we live on – it is our world – the domain of the ARCHON and has been since Gen 1:2Now let's consider the dragon term: H8577 28 verses
Ge 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Seems that dragons are created creatures living on earth since Creation.
WRONG TIMINGRev 12 – creation →great red dragon→Christ
Gen 1:1 creation →Gen 1:2 choshek →Christ
All Day 1 – not Day 5Ex 7:9
Moses rod turned into a dragon before PharoahOops the dragon / serpent is a tool used by God at God’s command
De 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Seems here the dragons make poison and venom like the vines of Sodom and Gomorrah, which GOD judged, and sealed among his treasures?
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were –
wait for it –
people / men/ manWere they influenced by the WORLD to be HEDONIST – yep – good ole yeter ra with influence from the world (archon)
Ps 91:9-12
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
WOW this passage is a major clue, to the shadows of death and the dragons that live here, and to WHOM is the dragons a simile of.
This passage was quoted by a BEING to Jesus, over the same conflict? DOES RA come upon us when we follow GOD? The promise is we who follow GOD will tread upon lions, snakes, and dragons (all similes of the rulers of the shadow of death)
In the end – not necessarily during the ContestThis is the trap of Feel Good ChristianityJob is everyman / any man / mankind
If Job was a Christian – and ra came to him – you would tell him it is because he is a sinnerHe was not – he was righteousBut God had a hedge you sayYes he did – until God withheld it to allow satan to test/tempt JobWhy was Job tempted/tested - —in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not.
Look at every major religious leader +everyman / any man / mankind
My friend Pat sent me a video clip of Judith Meyer showing off her 2 carrot diamond ring says it was her reward for doing the Lord’s work – his only comment = “I hope she spends it well”
Jimmy Baker was a big Christian name – until convicted of fraud
Miller was a very charismatic Christian leader – until disgraced in 1844 (I stand corrected)
Calvin was a huge Christian leader – he burnt his dissenters at the stake
Jerry Falwell was a big movement – until he was caught with a hooker
How many catholic Priest are moral men
You say why test the righteous –
scripture says no one is righteous no not one (Ezk 8)GOD brings no RA upon those who follow GOD. Unless you need to be expose for who you are – a sinnerGOD provides angels to "hedge-protection" over us, so no RA comes our way. They angels bear us up, so not even our foot is dashed against the stones. We tread upon the lion, the snake and the dragon who rule in the shadow of death.YES when we ask – when we are with the spirit He/She/It (Trinity) is with us
Now the real question – the amount of time we are in the spirit
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D"You are the one that cannot speak to my questions – because they are hard and do not fit your doctrine
R" no not really. But if you are swayed by your world view, your bias does not entertain other views, apart from your own.I have answered every one of your questions to the best of my ability
You have not – still don’t – you just claims something are too a hard for you to understand
And other things you refuse to look at = and you use the excuse it doesn’t have anything to do the faith so you can’t be bother with itFor example I spent many emails, many weeks dealing with a Catholic that evolution does not exist in biology nor is observable as new information arsing from mutations and natural selection of new traits. Pure rubbish notion. And we went deep into the evidence.
The admin staff were amazed at my dialogue and thanked me because Barbarian was difficult to have on their forum. Evidence does not change a world view you have.
YOU SIR ARE NOT PLEASANT TO STUDY WITHYou do come across as an uneducated and misguided by a cultAND YOIUR PROUD OF IT
I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR MISSION TO BE DISUPTIVE TO THE GROUPAs the leaders of the group – should they allow you to spread doubt in their forum as you express it here
Richard would clearly ask you not to come back to his fellowshipNot because he doesn’t love you – but his responsibility belongs to his flock
And you would only disrupt every meeting they hold because you will take issue with everything they say1- they only have one God in a Trinity
2- Christ is God therfore Jesus Christ was God incarnate
3- life has nothing to do with biology and everything to do with spirit
4- to be spiritual is to pray in the spirit - and commune with the spirit
5- there is no biology in heaven - it is a spiritual realm
6- belief in eternal life - we are ll eternal unless we comit spiritul sucide - by choosing WORLD over God
You accept none of thisThis is why the FRIENDS never study and praise on the same meeting
Sundays are for praise only
Mon – Sat are times for study – here is usually a discussion of some type most every night after works
I won’t send you away – because we are friends in Christ – but I will be honest with youYou have an excellent command of your doctrine – yet, you do not have a grasp of all the scriptures as a whole – but you are learning, or you wouldn’t still be here
D" If biology is not the man – who is the man?
I say spirit/soul – your DNA biology idea is contrary to your own scripture
R" correct the body is a fence or hedge of protection protecting the divine information inside of the DNA, the DNA is just a hedge protecting the divine code of GOD placed in it. This code is what makes you, you. It is the code that controls and defines your character, and it a medium via which the medium of GOD is poured into it.
The divine code inside the DNA hedge, does not ever come from biology, it was worded there from GOD.
All 100% biology - and you just cannot bring yourself to speak of soul or spirit
D" 18 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me!
Given up the spirit? – how can man do that – you say man has no spirit
R" Gee Dave read the Hebrew, gava, Job's breathing, not spirit here.
All 100% biology - and you just cannot bring yourself to speak of soul or spiritD"There is no attack upon the hedge in the Book of Job
The hedge around Job was withheld by God to allow the accuser to accuse Job
R you are kidding me? Satan only accused, no attacked Job, attacked his wealth, attacked his children, attacked the marriage? come on Dave....Look – you cannot have it both waysEither the hedge of God protect us from satan – and satn cannot harm us because of this hedge-
as you suggestOr your powerful satan can tear down God’s hedge to attack us –
as you suggestSo which theology is your flip flopperPersonally – I believe that if God is with us – who can be against us
Therefore there is no way satan could have done anything to Job – without God’s participationD" Exactly why Jesus the Christ had to be tempted / tested in the wilderness by satan directly
Everyman is attacked by satan at one time or another – that is the job of satan – the accuser / prosecutor
R" And yet this is not evidence of Satan opposing GOD, how foolish is your thinking?It is evidence of —
in order to humble you, to test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His mitzvot or not. The archon oppose man not God – remember Gen 3:15 the Contest here on earth? - DUH
SO GOD created the shadow of death before Creation, so is the author of good and evil?Let me repeat – I believe in scripture (Isa 45:7)