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Post by Dave on Feb 8, 2021 13:10:49 GMT -5
Mat 5:17 (ASV) Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. I say I have a ministry – therefore I set myself upDeu 23:22 “When you make a vow to Adonai your God, you are not to delay to make good on it—for Adonai your God will certainly require it of you, and you would have sin on you. Deu 23:23 But if you refrain from making a vow, you would not have sin on you. The call to witness comes with a very high penalty if you get it wrong!If you ask a Jew – what is Torah you always receive 5 opinions Why – because there are different layers of depth in Torah These 5 opinions are the kabbalah – which is oral Torah in print If you ask this Gnostic – we have great respect for the Jewish / original interpretation of the Hebrew Torah by the Hebrews who walked and died for it – who lived it I am a Messianic Jew – but my genetic link is much weaker than my spiritual link - Gal 3:7 know then that those who have faith are children of Abraham. – so I call myself a Gnostic, because I am not a Roman Christian Plus + any and all evidence that supports the reality of God and His creation Psa 19:2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky shows His handiwork. Rom 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them—for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 His invisible attributes—His eternal power and His divine nature—have been clearly seen ever since the creation of the world, being understood through the things that have been made. So people are without excuse— But if you ask a Christian– each is LOCKED into a one way doctrine – and everyone else MUST be wrongToday – when a Christian wants to preach – they must have a diploma from a seminary Is their diploma in Scripture – NO! They are not taught scripture – they are taught Protestantism – Catholicism – Presbyterianism – Lutheranism – ism – ism – ism = all one-way-isms Lets examine the error of - This two god controversy is spelled here already. This implies we have two fathers, the heavenly father of truth, and a earthly father of lies.D" 3 chapters in a row – 83 verses in a row – all about King Tyre/every man / any man / mankind , But there in the middle of it all are two words that fit your assumption R" man is never cherub, King Tyre was not in the Garden of Eden. So this is a poetry parallel using King Tyre who functioned as an opposer of GOD, to some angel who also became an opposer of GOD, why? Because both creatures sin. D" So you are allowed to pluck those two words completely out of context of 3 chapter’s in a row and build a religion OH – so the scriptural idea of precept upon precept is no longer valid – there is an exception in Torah scripture for your satan god – but you claim to have no bias No assumption, just read the torah carefully precept upon precept. If your satan opposes God then precept upon precept must bare witness to your theologySo the opponent is only an opponent to Job, in Job's story? Fair enough So where would you go looking to see if "opponent" actually "opposes" GOD? Line upon line, here and there, remember, how to read Scripture? And your answer isAt least we have discovered the value of line by line – it doesn’t matter if it goes against Catholic doctrine You ignore cherub chata verse, and follow a different Bible, a false oneJust sounds like religious double-speak – are you a politician? I mean this Robert – you reduce witnessing into a slick used-car-salesman event WHY – because you DO NOT PRESENT A CONSITSANT THEOLOGYYou claim cherub chata takes place in heaven You rely on Rev 12:7 war in heaven And conclude = This two god controversy is spelled here already.This implies we have two fathersThis doctrine is your focus – not GodOnce you went so far as to say Dave writes: " See – you have two Kings and two godsYes I have two Kings and two gods opposing each other. What's wrong with that? Everything is wrong with that. You asked me to stop quoting you – but here we are again – no futherAnd again you say This two god controversy is spelled here already. This implies we have two fathers, the heavenly father of truth, and a earthly father of lies. I will ask you now – which theology are you endorsingI have two Kings and two gods opposing each other in heaven Rev 12:7 as you preachOr two fathers, the heavenly father of truth, and a earthly father of lies – as Jewish Gnosticism as teaches Gen 3:15There is only one heavenly father – absolutely And the First Archon and his offspring’s domain is physical creation (earthly / worldly) – absolutely Dose this prove a war in heaven between two opposing gods – NO! It is the Contest of Gen 3:15 playing out in the earthly realm Does this make The King of Tyre or King Cyrus – or even the First Archon a god ate war with / opposing God – NO – it just makes them delusional self-centered beings Out of one side of your mouth you saySo the angels He created have perfect sinless minds. There is no ra in their mind, they have no other choice but love God freely and fully. This is still a relationship based on love. So how can a angel sin? If the mind is sinless and perfect, it's not even possible, But out of the other side of your mouth you say You ignore cherub chata verse, and follow a different Bible, a false one I will ask you now – which theology are you endorsingWho are these break aways from your main stream- John, James, Peter, Phillip, Thomas, and PaulEither these men are the mainstream of the First Century – or we need to strike everything they wrote Why did they break away, because of arguing over the torah, so they split. Where is your evidence – just becalkue you make an unsupported claim does not make it factualChurch History 101 – the skims occurs In 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, And those priest who BROKE AWAY from the faith are the priest that started getting paid by Constantine to promote Roman unity = Roma Catholic Those who refuse to bow to Roman government – saying separation of church and state – retreated to the desert of EGYPT (the home of the Nag Hammadi) by Council of Chalcedon 451 AD The Catholic did not invent torah, - correct – they just redrafted the theology and invented satan to control the masses through fearYou separate soul from biology, you see a spirit being separate from a flesh body of biology.Scripture does – therefore I accept scripture1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. It has nothing to do with biology Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. You deny scripture - “… and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish." D" You are so confusing – God said if you die present you will die future The serpent sad NOT – now you say you have the same hope too – but demand the serpent is a lie R" Dave there are two major deaths in Scripture, or better understood as two major separations of the soul as GOD made it.
It means immediately the DNA code of life, is corrupted and daily dies until the code finally collapses from errors,AGREED – the first death spoke of – the death (present tense) = death of the animal / mortal deathThe second death or separation is the permanent separation of the soul from GOD at all, leaving you alone.AGREED – the secong death is death of spirit in the lake of FireSo the term dying die written in Hebrew in Genesis spells out both of these deaths clearly.God said – if you die present tense – you will die future tenseAnd if man refuses to repent this is absolutely correct – no lie hereThe devil-satan-opposer lied, thus opposed God's words and said, thou shalt NOT dying die.The serpent said NOT (if you die present tense – you will die future tense)And if man repents – even tho he dies present tense there is salvation from the second death now you say you have the same hope too – but demand the serpent is a liarDave show me a Hebrew text where GOD commands Israel to "ratsach"H7523 people These are the only two verses that use ratsach and elohiym or Lord. None speak of GOD commanding Israel to do murder (wounding) peopleWord game to avoid the precept – be serious Deu 20:16 However, only from the cities of these peoples, which Adonai your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes live. Deu 20:17 You must utterly destroy them—the Hittites , the Amorites , the Canaanites , the Perizzites , the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as Adonai your God has commanded you. Repeatedly you sayYou're saying GOD actually hardens the person's heart intentionally. That my friend makes GOD into a wounder, a murderer, and therefore a SINNER, breaking His own laws of love. Over and argue – God can cause no harm – it is impossible because God is LOVE Even if scripture says – God created ra – don’t accept it – it must be a metaohore because God can cause no harm – it is impossible because God is LOVEThen you saySo if anything dysfunctional happens to people, GOD kills you for bringing out this RA.
God used angels to slay entire armies on His own, did not require humans to help. God made entire armies blind, so prophet gave them food as a coal upon their head. Is there any hint that God could have done this cleansing differently?I will ask you now – which theology are you endorsing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 14:08:21 GMT -5
Word game to avoid the precept – be serious Deu 20:16 Deu 20:17
Why doesn't GOD HIMSELF utterly destroy the land of wickedness, like He did once with the great flood, and even destroyed whole armies with angels?
I can ask you now , the same question you're asking me – which theology are you endorsing?
You don't have answers either. A german teacher asked Einstein the same question, did God create everything... so GOD must be evil, and worthless and a fairy tale.
Your offer is no better than mine, in fact worse.
I do not have GOD breaking his own love rules. So there must be other reasons for what is written here. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 8, 2021 18:10:51 GMT -5
Word game to avoid the precept – be serious Deu 20:16 - Deu 20:17 - Why doesn't GOD HIMSELF utterly destroy the land of wickedness, like He did once with the great flood, and even destroyed whole armies with angels?
Correct – He has a staff for that – and you argue that each of these murderous angels – in the service of the Lord – facilitating God Will - are sinning angels because they are causing ra (your definition evidently) – therefore this makes your God a sinner
I can ask you now , the same question you're asking me – which theology are you endorsing? So simple God is the absolute creator there is no other God God = a Trinity – no man can experience God directly – but we can experience His glory (Spirit) – or his 3D form (back) Christ E= mc2 / God = Christ x Spirit / God = male Christ and female Spirit
Every being that was made – was alive and well at Gen 2:1 Creation is over in Gen 2:1 Animal Man was created in Gen 1 – male and female just as all animals / mammals Gen 2:7 – God mated our soul (spirit man created before Gen 2:1) to our animal bodies of Gen 1
We were in full awareness of the Lord and in communion with the Lord before our conception Gen 2:7 our soul enters the biology at conception While in the womb – God teaches us the Torah and Gives us the commission of jer 1:5 After birth – we are biologically immature and God remains with the newborn Until the newborn expresses it own animal yester ra – and the communion is broken
From God we come – we souljourn here with a purpose (Jer 1:5) – but because of Adam and Eve – we will all experience Mortal Death and return to heaven
Heb 9:27 – there is a judgment after death – 3 possibilities 1- you die in Christ – you were Born Again – you were a spiritual Christian = a Divine Pardon Salvation in Christ = First Fruits – skip Proportional Punishment
2- You die only as a believer – or non-believer = Proportional Punishment Your judgment / Proportional Punishment – is judge by Deeds – good or bad Works – works for the Lord – the Church – the faith – study – attendance – fellowshipping – witnessing Fruit – souls you have helped along their way to the Lord
If you are a believer – you still have the promise of salvation – but require purification / cleansing – then awake in the First Resurrection If you are a non-believer – there is no promise of you graduating from this hell Can a non-believer graduate into salvation – sure Do all who say they believe graduate into salvation – doubt it
Some never graduate and are again cast into the Lake of Fire in the end
3- Reincarnation – a do-over – for those who deserve it – aborted fetuses – small children – or anyone God chooses
What of satan and the archon
Ther archon are a race / group / species / of beings that are between angels (made with no matter) – and man (made totally of matter) – thery are archon made with (some matter)
They are self-centered / selfish / self and were ejected from the high heavens to the lowest heavens They were ejected into creation – physical 3D lower world – here This is their domain / kingdom / turf – and they were here first
They hinder man by fueling self and selfish desires – lust/greed/fame/power/wealth All of these 3D physical (worldly) selfish desires – are the bi-product of animal instinct to preserve self - yester ra
There is the Beast / Dragon – bound in the choshek / abyss There are the offspring of this beast (First Archon) = bane elohiym archon Aprox. 200 of these bane elohiym archon are responsible for Gen 6 man (made totally of matter) – they are archon made with (some matter) and they fathered the Nephilim and the chimeras
Enoch says there were various types – various chimeras – witchcraft – wizards – and genetic cloning (science = Atlantis) – that all sank beneath the waves Every ancient myth from all around the globe are stories from the Memoirs of Noah
After the Flood 90% of the Nephilim are jailed in chains awaiting Rev 9 when the abyss is opened and they are released for 5 months After the Flood 10% of the Nephilim remains on earth – some of them are ejected to the 7 visible celestial bodies in our view = aliens and UFOs This 10% also fathered the Rephiem of Canaan (archon gene pool) When these Nephilim died upon the earthg – their spirit are trapped to the earth as – our evil spirits
Israel was too commit genocide upon these Rephiem – but they remain – 13 families Jdg 2:2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? Jdg 2:3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
Who is the devil – he is the general of the First Archon / Beast / Dragon responsible for man
Who is satan – any spirit – from the right or left hand that God uses to facilitate His Will Sometimes it is to test – Job Sometimes it is to enforce – 2 Sam 24/ 1Chr 21 Sometimes it is to be a lying deceiving spirit (1 Kings 22) Sometime it is a volunteer spirit (1 King 22) Sometimes it is to be the prosceutor (Zec 3)
Revelations Rev 9 – the jailed Nephilim are release to plague man again for 5 months Rev 12:7 – The First Archon / Beast / Dragon was cast fro heaven with all his offspring It happen in Gen 1:2 and was over in an instant – done – ancient history – over
Rev 20 – who is cast into the lake of fire – satan is (but this cannot be the Beast or the Devil because satan is thrown in with them – they are already there
So who does this leave for satan = a false prophet = any archon / evil spirit / shedim = the remaining archon
What of creation and sin Incremental creation is the best answer – spread out over millions of years – complete with the birth-life-death-and rebirth cycle of nature in full bloom Generation after generation existed prior to Adam – more than enough room for dinos of all types And more than enough time for God to appreciate His creation each step of the way
Adam and Eve were created immortal – they would have lived forever if they obeyed But they didn’t obey – so all men are now mortal just like all the other animals It was Adam and Eve that introduced sin / disobedience to a law
Because Eve and Adam disobeyed – Gen 3:15 Man and arch are locked in a contest – hostility / animosity And life is hard Thorns and thistle (that God already made long ago) will now love to grow in Adams garden and Adam will have to sweat to earn his living
You don't have answers either. A german teacher asked Einstein the same question, did God create everything... so GOD must be evil, and worthless and a fairy tale. This story only applies to Roman Christian Feel Good theology Jews and Gnostic know God made the ra – and accuse the Christin of missing the point
If it is God Plan – then it exist – then it is God’s Will – all things were made – by Him for Him
John 3:16 is about rescuing man from the world – providing relief for the burned of Gen 3:15 – providing salvation (Divine Pardon) to all who seek God instead of the world
This is when God came to earth as a man – Jesus Christ Man = (soul + animal) Jesus Christ = (God + Jesus) = God incarnate
But – Trinity = God in the form of an image (man) = Christ Jesus Christ = (Christ + Jesus)
On the cross – Christ / spirit / soul returned to God While Jesus (animal / biology) went to the tomb / grave
Upon the Resurrection – the truth of God, Jesus, and the afterlife is made plain for all to see (obvious)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 4:35:04 GMT -5
Greetings
This is perhaps the best of your compact summaries, and well written. It makes sense, and sounds OK.
Just to be crystal clear, so if God made everything including the lower level with a class of creatures doing self, and ra, this implies ra is a natural part of GOD, and ra (with its sinning) is also a natural part of GOD. You no longer have an exclusive absolute GOD of LOVE, do you? AM I correct to observe this? Therefore GOD can love and hate, kill and murder as well show grace and mercy?
I also note with the kind of design God creates, a world of ra to test man, implies that GOD uses RA as a part of developing His love more fully. Is this idea OK with you?
So you have a GOD that cannot create a perfect world, only a flawed world with natural ra in it.
So you also have a GOD that cannot develop creatures to love freely without first subjecting them to a period of testing, which involves the death of GOD, in order to demonstrate something. In other words GOD cannot create creatures who can freely love GOD for eternity without the need of testing with ra.
In other words GOD cannot create perfect free will creatures able to love GOD freely and fully?
And while man is being fully tested to love GOD, both God and man can at times do ra and sin, but somehow GOD requires man to disdain ra and love tov. Why is this even necessary, if GOD naturally copes with doing both ra and tov Himself? So it's OK if GOD tells you to kill and murder somebody, but not OK if you murder somebody using your own free will?
The SIN concept is reduced to a process of developing love in man, and not really an enemy that opposes GOD. It is fair to say you have no concept of SIN personified in the Bible? If God does commands Joshua to kill people, than murder is something God can naturally do, if He wants to. So if God can do whatever He wants to, why does the royal torah restrict man, not to murder, when sometimes GOD tells Israel to go ahead and murder others? Your God is not consistent, and has no absolute rules He Himself obeys? Is this a fair assessment of your God?
SHalom
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 13:35:57 GMT -5
Our readers, and myself, would appreciate answers to the kind of GOD you serve Dave. You didn't answer these questions in my previous post? How remarkable an image is this? GOD HIMSELF wrote in the HEBREW writing, using HIS own finger, the ten descriptors of LOVE. So broad and simple, that LOVE could be written down as ten descriptors. This makes LOVE, and the love-rules a universal code for all creatures under creation. But Gnostic writings cannot tolerate this idea, because they have God creating ra creatures who sin intentionally testing mankind, is really violating this love rules shown here. Could GOD create creatures who sin intentionally? No. Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as (like GOD loves you). 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. The key to the ten words than is LOVE. I am saying GOD is LOVE, and LOVE is universal. Above all things, including creatures created. In fact LOVE is the only absolute character quality GOD is, all other qualities stem from LOVE. All RA, sin and negative qualities that oppose love, have to be by definition, come from somewhere else, and by a creature who wishes to create these qualities, that technically should never be allowed to exist. God allows them to exist, just once, just this one time, after the SIN problem is dealt with, SIN and the creatures who want to SIN are dealt with, shall never arise a second time. SO when the books are examined, no a single trace of wounding is found caused by GOD, every case is dealt with gently and with love, every case. All will be revealed by the books and the judge's. This is NOT as you claim a court room like earthly court rooms. There is no prosecutor during these judgement times. If everything is written down, including the hidden thoughts and thinking of the very DNA propensities at a chemical level, there is no need for witnesses, as all things are written down carefully even at a biochemical level, nothing remains hidden from view. You will be able to view the affect of a particular sin to the 5th generation that caused the epi-genetic sin, yet you are held accountable for your own sins. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 10, 2021 16:24:54 GMT -5
Just to be crystal clear, so if God made everything including the lower level with a class of creatures doing self, and ra, this implies ra is a natural part of GOD, and ra (with its sinning) is also a natural part of GOD. You no longer have an exclusive absolute GOD of LOVE, do you? Therefore GOD can love and hate, kill and murder as well show grace and mercy?
AM I correct to observe this?
All you have done here is express your attitude – your opinion – your Catholic instructed bias
Just to be crystal clear, God made everything including the lower level with a class of creatures doing self, Correct – There is only one Creator – Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
God made everything including the lower level with a class of creatures doing self, Correct - Gen 1:20 -25 – all types of creatures doing self (instinct) yester ra
God made everything including the lower level with a class of creatures doing self, and ra, Correct – bacteria cause disease, Cockroaches spread bacteria, ants ruin a picnic, termites destroy your house, and the Raccoons make a mess in your attic All just doing self – instinct (yester ra) – all of it causing ra to man
this implies ra is a natural part of GOD, Correct – ra is an important by-product of neg-entropy (creation) You cannot push a mountain rang up through the crust of the earth – with causing earthquake
A plant cannot follow God’s instruction to multiply and cover the earth without generations upon generations –of birth-life-death- and rebirth life cycle of nature Fruits drop to the ground and rot – so that the seeds can grow Pollen and seeds are blow far away by winds
Animals cannot grow and multiply and cover the earth without the generations upon generations of birth-life-death-and rebirth Birds eat seeds and shit them all over the place (tov or ra?) How can earth have generations upon generation of herbivores with them eating plants Pigs are not allowed in my county – they destroy the land (tov or ra)
and ra (with its sinning) is also a natural part of GOD. Why is an earthquake a sin Why is a volcano a sin If a termite eats the wood of your house – why is that a sin
Everything is a sin for you – yet you refuse to define the word And all ra is evil for you – it opposes tov – it has to be evil Are termites evil?
You and I are play catch with a ball – tov I miss a catch and the ball breaks a window – ra Suddenly I must be EVIL according to you and it was the devil that ruled me to allow the window to break What a bunch of Catholic nonsense
You no longer have an exclusive absolute GOD of LOVE, do you? What a bunch of catholic nonsense God loves the world so much He created it – with all of its tov and ra – and God said it was tov
Therefore GOD can love and hate, kill and murder as well show grace and mercy? According to the standard list, God hates pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth,
Kills and murders – Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
2Sa 5:19 And David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up to the Philistines? wilt thou deliver them into mine hand? And the LORD said unto David, Go up: for I will doubtless deliver the Philistines into thine hand.
I also note with the kind of design God creates, a world of ra to test man, implies that GOD uses RA as a part of developing His love more fully. Is this idea OK with you?
TWIST – you know this is not my position – yet you just keep repeating your bias Please tell me where you get this idea that God made the ra to test man? GOD uses RA as a part of developing His love more fully – attitude – only you use these words And you deliberately uses these words to TWIST
And while man is being fully tested to love GOD, both God and man can at times do ra and sin, but somehow GOD requires man to disdain ra and love tov. Why is this even necessary, if GOD naturally copes with doing both ra and tov Himself? So it's OK if GOD tells you to kill and murder somebody, but not OK if you murder somebody using your own free will?
God uses ra to develop His love more fully And while man is being fully tested to love GOD, Where do you get this – you make it up – just so you can argue against your own misstatements? I have never expressed either of these ideas – any text I have ever quoted never suggest such a thing
Is man tested to love more – what a stupid idea – ridicules – a twist of the truth – just so you can disagree PLEASE QUOTE ME And this is why it takes so long to speak with you – you refuse to listen, you fail to take notes, you have a learning disability, - or you deliberately twist and play word games just to be cantankerous
It must be hard to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul When you so busy criticizing Him and second guessing His Will
God test man – FACT – why, to see if you love Him back with all of your heart, mind, and soul Sometimes this test – is just God looking into your heart
The Contest = man and archon are place together The archon are made only with self and are given 3D reality as their Kingdom/domain Animals are made with self and placed in that same kingdom Man is mad with self (animal) male and female Gen 1:1 and placed in that same kingdom Gen 2:7 animal man is given his soul – and man (the lineage of Adam and Eve – me/and you) became a living being Gen 3 – man / animals/ archon are all placed in that same kingdom
Of all these beings/creatures – only man is (soul+animal) = (yester tov + yester ra) The Rabbi say – man is the only creature that can choose
Gen 3 – man / animals/ archon are all placed in that same kingdom God allows His plan for salvation to unfold – Gen 3:15
Ponder these words – Jewish MidRash – less weighted Jewish commentary that forms the kabbalah Written sometime between 200-100BC Egypt – before Jesus Christ – before John – before the agl Writings that were kept in the Temple library Common knowledge to all? Maybe not – but common knowledge to those who spent their lives studying the Temple Scrolls
First Book of Adam and Eve 3:1 GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen. 2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled." 3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them. 4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world. 5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him. 6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed. 7 But God had before that made this covenant with our father, Adam, in the same terms, ere he came out of the garden,
The promise has always been to the 100% 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
5500 years from the promise to Adam - This is Jewish year 5778 FYI – there is such an interesting historical debate about 300 missing years in history – middle ages to year 1000AD. The Chinese kept amazing records – yet during this time it takes them 300 years to build anything. The Chinese recorded astronomical events – novas – star alignments – etc. If you read a scholarly paper about these dates – there is a FUGE FACTOR in the math to account for – “calendar inaccuracies”
Ponder This is Jewish year 5778 year 5778 -300 = 5478 = 22 years left = 2042 The 1945 Nag Hammadi was deliberately hidden for the generations of the end –of-days The 1947 Dead Sea Scroll – also contain the War Scroll as well as Enoch 1948 – Isreal 2016 – Trump – America withdrawals from the Middle East in a big way 2020 – Israel is in command of all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (4 Abrahamic Accords – Egypt+Saudia Arabia+Qutar+Oman + / + Iraq (all Sunni) + Israel +USA 2020 – Iran signs a 25 year military deal with China for oil (all Shite / Caldeans)
Want to know Islamic Prophesy about the end-of-days and Jesus Christ The anti-Christ would reign from the Lion (England) for 1000 lunar years = 900AD-1917 Then – the anti-Christ would rule from the Eagle (America) for 82 lunar years = 1917-2000 Then the anti-Christ would return home to the Holy Lands – Israel And Israel would hold the Holy Lands for 22 lunar years - = 2022
The War Scroll (from the Dead Sea) details this last war and claims it takes place over a 33 year period
So you have a GOD that cannot create a perfect world, only a flawed world with natural ra in it. Natural ra – is inherent to neg-entropy (creation) Why are volcanoes – earthquakes – and the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (tov)
So you also have a GOD that cannot develop creatures to love freely without first subjecting them to a period of testing, If you are speaking about man – Adamus – the Perfect race of Man – was made in the First Age – Gen 1:1-3 – he/we are spirit beings – our home is the invisible heavens
Our purpose – our mission in life – the meaning of life Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.”
The Prodigal Son that stays home – is loved by the father – sure But the Son who picks up his appointment/commission/assignment /mission –is reward upon return by the father
The Rabbi said – Eve knew she could not perform her Jer 1:5 calling in Paradise Eve knew she should enter the lower world – the kingdom of the archon – to fulfill her calling Adam then chose to go with her – on her mission trip – as an evangelist for the Lord
Let’s talk SIN – and lying Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God said… you must not touch it, or you will die.’” Is this a lie? Eve is a liar FIRST and the world did not come to an end – sin did not enter the world
Gen 3:6 Now the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a thing of lust for the eyes, LUST - Eve lust FIRST and the world did not come to an end – sin did not enter the world
But when Gen 3:6 … So she took of its fruit and she ate. She also gave to her husband who was with her and he ate. SIN ENTERED THE WORLD – WHY Because they broke an expressed Command/Law/Order/Instruction – they disobeyed It had nothing to do with lying – or lusting – just about disobeying a law – missing to follow the commitment
What are the commandments we are to follow – what Royal Law of God are we to obey / not miss Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Jesus said - Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. And - Joh 13:34 “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, so also you must love one another.
How are we to love one another – kiss and hugs? Food and clothing? Teaching and helping – caring Jer 1:5 … I appointed you prophet to the nations.” – witness of God’s Glory
which involves the death of GOD, in order to demonstrate something. Demonstrating = Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. – as promised to Adam
In other words GOD cannot create creatures who can freely love GOD for eternity without the need of testing with ra. Attitude and bias 1- good-guy angels – love, serve, and praise 2- The Son that stays home – is always in the presence of the Lord – and always (yester tov) – because (yester ra) comes from the biological instinct for self-preservation 3- The Son that stays home – is not tested – Gen 3:15 takes place on / in earth (physical creation)
4- Only the Son that leaves home and enters the world – endures the Contest of Gen 3:15 5- But it is an almost impossible contest – only two have made it out on their own No man can deed or work his way into heaven It is not about what you do – biology It is all about who you are – spirit 6- God came as a man – to remind us / teach us / show us the way out – salvation Salvation from this world – and from ourselves (our own yester ra) 7- The Transfiguration / Resurrection is proof that all this spiritual talk is CORRECT Mat 27:50 And Yeshua cried out again with a loud voice and gave up His spirit. Mat 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the Temple was split in two, from top to bottom. And the earth quaked and rocks were split apart. Mat 27:52 And the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the kedoshim who were sleeping were raised to life. Mat 27:53 And coming forth out of the tombs after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
LIFE LIVES – that is the POINT
Choose LIFE or choose world – YOUR CHOICE
In other words GOD cannot create perfect free will creatures able to love GOD freely and fully? You have the Free Will gift - Are you admitting that you do not love God freely and fully Shame on you
The SIN concept is reduced to a process of developing love in man, and not really an enemy that opposes GOD. It is fair to say you have no concept of SIN personified in the Bible?
Blah blah religious talk Sin is the choice to disobey God / not seek God / chata / miss = all your choice Is sin an enemy that opposes God? If you decide not to accept Christ as your savior – does this make you evil – possessed by a demon – raising yourself up in opposition to God – NO It only means you are too stupid to LIVE – because LIFE LIVES
If God does commands Joshua to kill people, than murder is something God can naturally do, if He wants to. So if God can do whatever He wants to,
YES Robert – please take the time to sit down one day and read some ahl as a novel God judgment is righteous judgment – and God can reach down and do anything he wants to facilitate His Will
God wiped out 2 million (?) Egyptian soldiers when the red sea swallowed them Why – to facilitate God Plan on earth – so that no Egyptian for generations would forget who the One True God is – the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
why does the royal torah restrict man, not to murder Because the Torah was written to man about man – that’s all – and man is no god when sometimes GOD tells Israel to go ahead and murder others? 1- to defend the seed of Eve – Jesus 2- to demonstrate / to witness – to all the nations of the world - who the One True God is – the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob THE PARADE witness of the ahl – right there in the middle / the crossroads of the known world
Your God is not consistent, and has no absolute rules He Himself obeys? Is this a fair assessment of your God? Your God is stuck in Catholic Feel Goodism – not the reality of the ahl You place the rule given to man upon God to diminish His absolute authority and deny His righteousness judgment
1Sa 15:1 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Adonai sent me to anoint you as king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, listen to the voice of the words of Adonai! 1Sa 15:2 Thus says Adonai-Tzva’ot: Who said it – Who gives the command? = GOD! 1Sa 15:3 Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
If you do not like the term genocide – we could call it applesauce – or just stick to (kill everybody and everything - and “you must not let anything that breathes live”)
Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, from humankind to livestock, crawling things and the flying creatures of the sky, because I regret that I made them.”
God’s Royal Law I asked you to explain you words to me – you haven’t
What are the commandments we are to follow – what Royal Law of God are we to obey / not miss Jesus said - Mat 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. And - Joh 13:34 “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, so also you must love one another.
Does God Love – sure - John 3:16 Does God hate – sure - According to the standard list, they are pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth Can God create relationships – absolutely – God reaches down from heaven periodically and grabs abyone he wants to facilitate God Will on earth – Abraham / Moses / Joshua / Davis / John / Judas / Noah / Mary / Paul – etc, etc Does God kill – sure – to many examples to site – God does it directly – God orders it – God allows it – God places it into motion – God helps Israel defeat their enemy God uses Israel’s enemies to DISCIPLINE Israel
Are there things God CANNOT do – sure He cannot lie, He cannot change, and He cannot allow sinners into heaven. God cannot be tempted with evil and cannot tempt others God cannot deny himself Heb 13:5 … For God Himself has said, “I will never leave you or forsake you,” (once saved – always saved – you cannot lose your salvation)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 14:18:31 GMT -5
Please tell me where you get this idea that God made the ra to test man? Where do you get this – you make it up – just so you can argue against your own misstatements? I have never expressed either of these ideas – any text I have ever quoted never suggest such a thing ----- OH sorry. The archons are just creatures with other creatures like cows and termites, who have “self” intuitively in them, this so called natural ra, when a spirit is formed inside matter, because some parts of matter comes inherently with entropy, chaos and natural ra affects.
So if the archons are just like cows, who also have natural ra affects such as self inside them, why can’t humans see the archons, and kill them off, like man did with dinosaurs ?
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OH sorry, so the archons serve no purpose. They are just animal like creatures, like the lion with natural ra affects, that hunt and kill others. So why isn’t man smart enough to overcome and kill them off, after all the archonic animals cannot choose, nor have the intelligence to survive better than man?
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God test man – FACT – why, to see if you love Him back with all of your heart, mind, and soul Sometimes this test – is just God looking into your heart
You haven’t satisfied me, why GOD should test creatures who have the ability to love GOD fully? The prodigal son is never tested before He chose to sin and spend his money? The other sons never got tested, so much is missing from your argument. The prodigal got tested after he sinned, so much so, he decided to return to His Father. Have you missed what testing does? It helps return you back to God, after you sin.
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Eve knew she should enter the lower world – the kingdom of the archon – to fulfill her calling Adam then chose to go with her – on her mission trip – as an evangelist for the Lord
Again you have not satisfied me with this/ What mission? Was something wrong with the Creation, that mankind has to fix?
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The Contest = man and archon are place together The archon are made only with self and are given 3D reality as their Kingdom/domain Animals are made with self and placed in that same kingdom Man is mad with self (animal) male and female Gen 1:1 and placed in that same kingdom Gen 2:7 animal man is given his soul – and man (the lineage of Adam and Eve – me/and you) became a living being Gen 3 – man / animals/ archon are all placed in that same kingdom
Of all these beings/creatures – only man is (soul+animal) = (yester tov + yester ra) The Rabbi say – man is the only creature that can choose
I find all animals have intelligence to choose. I suppose you are referring to choosing salvation. That is a moral decision, animals such as cows cannot do, yes.
You compare archon to animals…. This is unfair…. They are NOT the same…. Man can kill animals but not kill archons… so they are not animals at all.
You also assume self is something like instinct. The Hebrew word self come from Baal the noun form. This word means ‘master’ and comes with verb and noun forms. The meaning only came into being after man sinned.
The Creation act you follow also makes no sense, you have a masculine and feminine GOD both creating, whereas the torah says the masculine ONLY created, the feminine expression only did as the masculine spoke. But Gnostic says the feminine created on her own without her consort. This directly contradicts torah. Your whole religion premise is based on total lies, on this one statement.
Than you mix what the Book of Enoch says about angels choosing to sin, and the HS creating Yalboath on it’s own, who later fathered archons of himself. You say what’s it matter what they were called, different labels, different names, what does it matter? It’s confusing, and shows the Gnostic writings are confusing.
Than you split natural death and moral death into two meanings, the animals experience natural death long before Adam sinned, so when Adam sinned, this “death” does not mean “natural death” but another added death came to Adam, on top of the natural death caused by natural ra.
So GOD placed Adam and Eve in a flawed world, with lion killing meat hunters, shark eating fish hunters, termite eating wood eaters, and dinosaurs who ate and killed others. I do not accept this idea at all. ------
Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?
Are you kidding? Natural ra, is imperfect, dysfunctional and missing the absolute powers of GOD. You are saying GOD cannot create a utopian world of bliss, without friction and no nuclear decay?
You limit GOD by even suggesting this. God can create anything, even a world with 120 decimal places of accuracy, fine tuned world with both tov and ra in it? But why some ra already in it? Because some creatures had sinned already before Creation.
You place the archons created during Creation. The torah does not suggest this idea. The angels who sinned, sinned thousands of years before Creation of Man occurred. These angels were banished to a lonely rock in space, earth, that became darkness, because GOD left the rock to be on it’s own. Thus earth was already here Before Creation, with sinning angels on it, Before Creation.
Angels are not animal like, as you suggest, mankind cannot kill angels, we humans are weaker in strength than angels are. So sinning angels have an advantage over us, as creatures.
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Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God said… you must not touch it, or you will die.’” Is this a lie? Eve is a liar FIRST and the world did not come to an end – sin did not enter the world?
Jeff Benner tells how GOD did not speak to Abram about why Sarah laughed in her old age? She said she was past childbirth, God left this info out when speaking to Abram.
Eve adds info, we cannot verify. Is this a lie? I don’t know. Why speak of something we are unsure of? I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm?
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LUST - Eve lust FIRST and the world did not come to an end – sin did not enter the world
Ge 3:6 ¶ And when the woman <'ishshah> saw <ra'ah> that the tree <`ets> was good <towb> for food <ma'akal>, and that it <huw'> was pleasant <ta'avah> to the eyes <`ayin>, and a tree <`ets> to be desired <chamad> to make one wise <sakal>, she took <laqach> of the fruit thereof <p@riy>, and did eat <'akal>, and gave <nathan> also <gam> unto her husband <'iysh> with her; and he did eat <'akal>.
Chamad does not mean lust, it means as KJV correctly says to “desire”.
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Because they broke an expressed Command/Law/Order/Instruction – they disobeyed It had nothing to do with lying – or lusting – just about disobeying a law – missing to follow the commitment
OH so what commands did Adam and Eve break?
1) I am your Saviour.
Adam and Eve chose to listen to the serpent, and chose the serpent as their ruler over them, rather than GOD ruling over them. Ro 5:19 For as by Adam’s disobedience many were “ruled” sinners, so by the obedience of Jesus the second Adam, shall many be “ruled” righteous.
One you sin, because some other creature sinned first, you become a slave of sinning to that creature who is a father of sinning, and belong to his kingdom.
2) I am your covering.
Adam and Eve manufactured their own covering for nakedness, rather now since the HS shrank around them, exposing them, the covering of GOD was lost and broken. You are not allowed to make manufactured covering to replace GOD’s coverings over you, protecting you.
3) I am your power source.
Adam and Eve, had others to blame them for sin, Adam blamed the woman, the woman blamed the serpent angel, and the sinning angel blames GOD for creating it that way. You cannot make power into an empty storm, all bang and no rain. The blame game is evil. GOD does not tolerate power sources in this way. It’s easy to say this because all things are made manifest by GOD, so GOD is responsible. No, you are accountable for sinning. Free will choice. This implies angels who had free will to choose to do sinning are also held accountable.
4) I am your fruit.
Adam and Eve ate the fruit themselves suggested by the angel. This is a sin. Man was not to eat the fruit. The angel had no right to even suggest this idea. The angel sinned again getting Adam and Eve to eat fruit GOD commanded them NOT to eat.
5) Respect family
Adam and Eve broke the respect of family to GOD, God was no longer the biological parent of humans, another source and another power came into being, the angel who sinned to get Adam and Eve to sin, became our parent, and the father of sin. This is why the torah says falsehood can be born. We are now children of the Devil.
6) Respect living
Adam and Eve lost this respect too. When they sinned all powers of living was broken. All forms of powers that flooded into their Creation slowed down and was broken. Animals now died, as well as plants too. Death (came upon Creation).
7) Respect relationship
Adam and Eve broke the relationship with GOD, committing adultery, with another ruler. The torah says this is the death penalty. Once relationship is broken it cannot be restored. Jesus was required to die because that is the death penalty for broken relationship.
8) Respect property (the physical world)
Adam and Eve also stole physical elements from Creation was they sinned. Creation lost perfection. Creation lost order. Creation lost GOD, instead Creation received God’s curse, after Adam and Eve sinned.
9) Respect my words
Adam and Eve did not respect GOD’s words, and chose the sinning angel’s words, “thou shalt not dying die”
10) Desire Me. Not something else
Adam and Eve, no longer desired GOD, they desired another elohiym power, who chose to establish earth and it’s Creation under its control.
So when Adam and Eve sinned, they broke all the ten words of the royal law. Now I have explained how the ten words about love work, for a single sin of disobedience.
----- If you decide not to accept Christ as your savior – does this make you evil – possessed by a demon – raising yourself up in opposition to God – NO It only means you are too stupid to LIVE – because LIFE LIVES
Sorry Dave, if you are not for GOD, you are against GOD. Sin is opposing GOD, and the sinner by sinning does in fact oppose GOD. The exception is the sin-offering NOT unto death, some sinning done under salvation between your Saviour and you as a person receiving salvation, can be sinning not unto death, these are pre-umbra shadows Jesus light covers.
The umbra shadows of death are sins unto death. So Jesus can cover your shadows of sinning. But some sinning He doesn’t.
Scripture makes it plain, if ye are in Jesus, we are to stop sinning altogether.
---- Because the Torah was written to man about man – that’s all – and man is no god
Ex 7:1 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: GOD makes Moses elohiym to Pharoah, thus elohiym cannot mean THE GOD, it simply means “power”. -----
Does God Love – sure - John 3:16 Does God hate – sure - According to the standard list, they are pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth Can God create relationships – absolutely – God reaches down from heaven periodically and grabs abyone he wants to facilitate God Will on earth – Abraham / Moses / Joshua / Davis / John / Judas / Noah / Mary / Paul – etc, etc Does God kill – sure – to many examples to site – God does it directly – God orders it – God allows it – God places it into motion – God helps Israel defeat their enemy God uses Israel’s enemies to DISCIPLINE Israel
Are there things God CANNOT do – sure He cannot lie, He cannot change, and He cannot allow sinners into heaven. God cannot be tempted with evil and cannot tempt others God cannot deny himself
Heb 13:5 … For God Himself has said, “I will never leave you or forsake you,” (once saved – always saved – you cannot lose your salvation)
Rob replies”
SO your GOD is both one of love and hate, and your God can kill. Hmm? My God is only always about love, perfect love and my GOD follows the ten rules of love.
One has to ponder the pond of confusion in some texts you present for other ways of looking at the pond, but you ignore other ways. That is your choice.
I see a different reflection of GOD when I look into the pond to ponder.
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 12, 2021 15:38:12 GMT -5
I also note with the kind of design God creates, a world of ra to test man, implies that GOD uses RA as a part of developing His love more fully. Is this idea OK with you? Please tell me where you get this idea that God made the ra to test man to love God more? Where do you get this – you make it up – just so you can argue against your own misstatements? I have never expressed either of these ideas – any text I have ever quoted never suggest such a thing Is man tested to love more – what a stupid idea
I fail to understand why you cannot have a discussion without twisting the facts I quote scripture to you Deu 8:2 ... to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
I say - God test man Then you say - God test man so man loves God more And uses the example - you are to hit your wife until she loves you more Just so you can argue against your own twisted version of the truth You mock scripture - you deny scripture - you musty twist scripture to fit you larger truth SDA doctrine
You haven’t satisfied me, why GOD should test creatures who have the ability to love GOD fully? Deu 8:2 … to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
All I can do is repeat scripture - you can accept scripture if you choose - your choice That is why God gifted you with free will - so you could choose I choose scripture as written - you must filter all verses through your doctrine before you decide if scripture is speaking the truth or not
The prodigal son is never tested before He chose to sin and spend his money? Correct - the Son that stays at home is not tested The Son that left home and goes into the world - is tested by the world
The other sons never got tested, so much is missing from your argument. Correct - the Son that stays at home is not tested The Son that left home and goes into the world - is tested by the world
The prodigal got tested after he sinned, so much so, he decided to return to His Father. Correct - the contest takes place in the world Correct - once in the world - the son realizes that no one loved him as his father did Correct - once in the world - the son realized that no one LOVES him as much as the Father does
Have you missed what testing does? It helps return you back to God, after you sin. Ecc 3:18 I said in my heart, It is because of the sons of men, that God may prove them, and that they may see that they themselves are but as beasts. I will stick to scripture - the point is so that man realizes that it is not about the flesh - but the spirit
--------------------------------- The Rabbi said - Eve knew she should enter the lower world – the kingdom of the archon – to fulfill her calling Adam then chose to go with her – on her mission trip – as an evangelist for the Lord
Again you have not satisfied me with this/ What mission? Was something wrong with the Creation, that mankind has to fix?
I choose scripture as written - you must filter all verses through your doctrine before you decide if scripture is speaking the truth or not Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee; I have appointed thee a prophet unto the nations.
Is this not your mission here on earth? - what is the meaning of your life to elevate your satan?
--------------------------- I find all animals have intelligence to choose. I suppose you are referring to choosing salvation. That is a moral decision, animals such as cows cannot do, yes.
So you agree with scripture and me - it is not about the animal or this mortal world The ability to choose to be a plumber has nothing to do with the ability to choose God One is a function of biology - and one a function of spirit Joh 3:6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit.
--------------------- You also assume self is something like instinct. The Hebrew word self come from Baal the noun form. This word means ‘master’ and comes with verb and noun forms. The meaning only came into being after man sinned.
This is your next most stupid argument Adam had no choices - Adam had on yester tov - that was the only choice available to Adam Until Adam chose yester ra - then yester ra became available for him to choose
Yester ra - is inherent to / a bi-product of the animal instinct for self-preservation - all animals have it SELF - was your terminology that I have since adopted You say self - came from the ‘other archon god’ Baal which is just a bane elohiym Question - when did your god Baal recreated Adam to add it to his genetic makeup
I have scripture says God made man the animal I have scripture saying God made man the spirit I have scripture saying God place man’s spirit into the animal Where is your scripture saying that your satan created yester ra and place it into man ------------------
The Creation act you follow also makes no sense, you have a masculine and feminine GOD both creating, whereas the torah says the masculine ONLY created, the feminine expression only did as the masculine spoke. Rom 8:16 (KJV) The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; John 1:32 (CSB) And John testified, "I watched the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He rested on Him.
G846 - αὐτός - is a reflexive pronoun - it can mean he, she, or it - Male, Female, or Androgynous (neuter) We are in the image of God Androgynous spirit and male and female forms God - E-mc2 God - Androgynous (neuter- no sexual form) = male form (Christ) and Female form (Spirit)
Anywhere in the agl where the pronoun is used for God it can be (Male/Female/ or neuter) Because God = Trinity = The Creator / male image Christ/and female spirit Shekinah
You can also call God and Christ the womb of creation if you want to - but we don’t You could call God IT if you want to - but we don’t Because man anthropomorphizes God into Father, Mother, Child
Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. Exo 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. E - God the Father Creator Omnipotent and Omniscient 1st Dimension singularity - that contains all Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word … God the Father Creator - that we cannot see - only know
Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: c2 - God’s Spiritual essence - the Holy Spirit The Creator spoke the WORD and the WORD went out from God = distance Omnipresent 2nd Dimension that forms the very matrix / ether of all creation (medium) Joh 1:1 … and the Word was with God … We can experience Him as Spirit = HS
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. 3rd Dimensional image = the form of man = Christ m - Joh 1:1 … and the Word was God We can see Him in 3D form = Christ
There are not 3 individual gods working together There is only ONE GOD - and man perceives Him / experiences Him in 3 forms
-------------------------------- Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan? Are you kidding? Natural ra, is imperfect, dysfunctional and missing the absolute powers of GOD.
Question - God said - Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And Scripture says - Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan? Why is - the natural cycle of life = imperfect Why is - the natural cycle of life = dysfunctional Why is - the natural cycle of life = missing the absolute powers of GOD
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?
Question - what type of magic do you imply to explain how you can multiply to fill the waters and the earth in just 48 hours as measured today? Question - if your days are only 24 hrs then why isn’t Day 7 finished?
ANSWER - you never address these questions because - they are outside of your doctrine and you have no answer for them. Instead at looking at the scripture - you deflect and avoid
----------------------------- Than you mix what the Book of Enoch says about angels choosing to sin, and the HS creating Yalboath on it’s own, who later fathered archons of himself. You say what’s it matter what they were called, different labels, different names, what does it matter? It’s confusing, and shows the Gnostic writings are confusing.
You choose to be confused - because you only see things one dimensionally (your doctrine) - which is contrary to studying a subject at depth with an academic scholarship
Here is what you miss to understand - scripture is a 5000 years old phenomenon - commentary (Oral Torah- dating back as far as Moses) is also a 3500 year old phenomena Question - true or false? Answer = true
Different example - The Fertile Crescent is a 5000 years old phenomenon Writings from this area and about this area are also a 3500 year old phenomena Writings by different men - from different times - different cultures - different languages - over 3500 years Question - just how many different names of localities - Land of Goshen - Gaza Strip - West Bank - Levant - Sumerian - Assyrian + how many different peoples and cultures - Amorite - Meads Persia - Phoenicia Answer - too many to count
To study this area - sometimes it is a real puzzle to put all the pieces together Just when does a Sumerian stop being an Assyrian to be called a Babylonian or a Mead - yet they are primarily Chaldeans at heart
Here is what you miss to understand - scripture is a 5000 years old phenomenon - commentary (Oral Torah- dating back as far as Moses) is also a 3500 year old phenomena
You say what’s it matter what they were called, different labels, different names, what does it matter? It’s confusing, and shows the Gnostic writings are confusing.
You came to this forum suggesting that we should study only he Hebrew from 3500 years ago - translated into 21st Century English The truth [/b] = we no longer have the original 3500 year old Hebrew What we have = 3500 years’ worth of writing from different time periods - different cultures - and languages
You have only been exposed to the Bible (Roman Christendom’s Protestant version) Within it - there is a lot of linguistic drift - multiple names - of places, peoples, and localities But you are just used to them - been educated about them since Sunday School
To add - King Solomon - Enoch - Dead Sea Scrolls - Nag Hammadi - Hebrew - Coptic - Greek - Slavic - and Egyptian - Hebrew Temple Scrolls Book of Creation, Jashar, Adam also adds - vocabulary - correct - and also adds information that supplements the whole
You say this is confusing - so is simple math - until you get it You say this is confusing - I say - that is what you get for looking at any subject at depth
Than you mix what the Book of Enoch says about angels choosing to sin, and the HS creating Yalboath on it’s own, who later fathered archons of himself. Sorry Robert - Names are not as important as identification Is there only one name for God - no - we call Him by many names - but we all know who were are talking about - the One True Creator Yalboath - is a name - The First Archon / The Beast / The Dragon is who I am talking about This is not the only name used for this same (strong authority)
YES - he then had offspring - he pro-created - he multiplied into more (archon First Century Greek term - shedim - 2500 years ago Hebrew term - demon 3rd Century Latin term - Watchers 350 BC Egyptian Enoch term - PRINCIPALITIES 1611 King James term - Jinn 650AD Islamic term - shades ancient Japanese term - shadow people 20th century Psychology term - Ghost/Spooks/ and Goblins Roman Catholic terms interdimensional beings - aliens)
Does not matter what name you use - as long as we know who were are talking about Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Gen 6 - does not say the bane elohiym came from heaven - the bane elohiym archon were already here - cast to earth (creation) in Gen 1:2 - it just wasn’t until man multiplied that bane elohiym did their sin against man and nature - here on earth - not in heaven as in your Ezk 28
Azazal - some text (Hebrew) say this is the name of the leader off the bane elohiym archon of Gen 6 This is not the only name used for this same leader (strong authority) You called Azazal the Devil - I didn't disagree Azazal is not the Beast First Archon Dragon at the top of the heirarchy But he is the leader of the bane leohiym archon on the ground
------------------------------ YES ROBERT there are two deaths - die(present tense) and die(future tense) Than you split natural death and moral death into two meanings, the animals experience natural death long before Adam sinned, so when Adam sinned, this “death” does not mean “natural death” but another added death came to Adam, on top of the natural death caused by natural ra.
Please read Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see
H120 - אדם - 'âdâm
Teach me why no scripture says - Let us make Adam in our image - the LORD God formed Adam of the dust of the ground - and God brought them unto Man to see Answer - MAN of Gen 1 is just an animal - just like all the animals (male and female) - dust of the ground
Adam is special - Adam is the Man of Gen 2 Adam is made differently - Gen 2:7 - Boom! (Spirit + animal) - (Spirit + animal) - (Soul + (Mind/Body)) the animals experience natural death long before Adam sinned, so when Adam sinned, this “death” does not mean “natural death” but another added death came to Adam,
Wrong again - Adam is different that all the other animals of (yester ra) Adam is (yester tov + yester ra) - (spirit + animal)
Adam and Eve would have never died a mortal death - without sinning Adam and Eve were created immortal - never to experience mortal death
You make many biology examples - here is a spiritual one “2 Then God the Lord said unto Adam, "When thou wast under subjection to Me, thou hadst a bright nature within thee, and for that reason couldst thou see things afar off. But after thy transgression thy bright nature was withdrawn from thee; and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
You speak of how we are all connected to the medium that sustains us Adam’s connection - sustained him - immortal and with super-natural powers (21st century term) After SIN ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH EVE and ADAM Adam’s (man’s) connection was dialed down - at first limited to about 1000 years Man’s connection was a again dialed down after the Flood to 120 years Man’s connection was again dialed down at Bable
the animals experience natural death long before Adam sinned, so when Adam sinned, this “death” does not mean “natural death” but another added death came to Adam, Scripture says - מות תמות׃ If you eat it you will מות (present tense) just like all the other animals and you will תמות׃ (future tense) - another added death came to Adam - the second death at the Lake of Fire - death of spirit
--------------------- So GOD placed Adam and Eve in a flawed world, with lion killing meat hunters, shark eating fish hunters, termite eating wood eaters, and dinosaurs who ate and killed others. I do not accept this idea at all.
Here is what you are missing - Eden You are suggesting that the entire earth = Eden Question - when they were cast out of your Eden where did they go? - to a different planet - or did Eden disappear from the earth?
2 Jewish views 1- Eden was a Garden sequestered away from the rest of earth - an Oasis An Oasis at the mouth of the four rivers - that watered the rest of the planet where there were lion killing meat hunters, shark eating fish hunters, termite eating wood eaters, and dinosaurs who ate and killed others. When they were ejected from Eden - they left the paradise of Eden - to enter the rest of the world Eden disappeared when the Flood of Noah changed the world than the 4 rivers of Eden became the 4 mid oceanic rift that continue to ooze decompressing mantel basalts onto the sea floor I agree
2- Eden is 3rd heaven 2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Slavic Enoch - The Secretes of Enoch - The 2nd Book of Enoch 8:1 AND those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and san the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness. 2 And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne by them bubbling with fragrant exhalation. 3 And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits. 4 Its root is in the garden at the earth's end. 5 And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility. 6 And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and in corruptibility
Again with the Jewish Rabbi - Adam and Eve stepped down into the lower world Not my view - but do not disagree
-------------- You are saying GOD cannot create a utopian world of bliss, without friction and no nuclear decay? I am saying your concept of a utopian world is yet to come Rev 21-22 I am saying God created the world in a balance between tov and ra we see as nature - and God said it was good - Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?
You limit GOD by even suggesting this. God can create anything, even a world with 120 decimal places of accuracy, fine tuned world with both tov and ra in it? First you say God cant - then you say God does
But why some ra already in it? Because some creatures had sinned already before Creation. You place the archons created during Creation. The torah does not suggest this idea. The angels who sinned, sinned thousands of years before Creation of Man occurred.
You say you have a consistent doctrine 6 24hr day only - now you have 1000s of years before man was created
Thus earth was already here Before Creation, with sinning angels on it, Before Creation. Before creation - you are too desperate - please remain calm and just read the scripture ----------------------------
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God said… you must not touch it, or you will die.’” Is this a lie? Eve is a liar FIRST and the world did not come to an end – sin did not enter the world?
Eve adds info, we cannot verify. Is this a lie? I don’t know. Why speak of something we are unsure of? I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm?
Did the serpent SIN Why speak of something we are unsure of? I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm?
------ Because they broke an expressed Command/Law/Order/Instruction – they disobeyed It had nothing to do with lying – or lusting – just about disobeying a law – missing to follow the commitment
OH so what commands did Adam and Eve break? I would say - scripture says Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
You say 1) I am your Saviour. 2) I am your covering. 3) I am your power source. 4) I am your fruit. 5) Respect family 6) Respect living 7) Respect relationship 8) Respect property (the physical world) 9) Respect my words 10) Desire Me. Not something else Why speak of something we are unsure of? I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm?
----- Rob replies” SO your GOD is both one of love and hate, and your God can kill. Hmm? My God is only always about love, perfect love and my GOD follows the ten rules of love. Scripture says Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
and your God can kill. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Hmm? My God is only always about love, perfect love and my GOD follows the ten rules of love. Then you do not believe in the One True Creator of the ahl You only believe in the Western Roman Christendom Feel Good only God Therefore you must invent another god of evil to explain scripture and the world you see around you - I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm? But you claim not to pro-Roman doctrine - Hmmmmmmm
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Angels are not animal like, as you suggest, Never have I suggest this - angels are ethereal - man is corporeal - archon are a miture
mankind cannot kill angels, Absolutely Agree
You compare archon to animals…. This is unfair…. They are NOT the same…. Correct - animal are all matter - the archon are only made with some matter
OH sorry, so the archons serve no purpose. They are just animal like creatures, like the lion with natural ra affects, that hunt and kill others. So why isn’t man smart enough to overcome and kill them off, after all the archonic animals cannot choose, nor have the intelligence to survive better than man?
What purpose do termites have? What propose to cockroaches have? What purpose do bacteria have? Bacteria cause harm to man - they are spread by cockroaches vis the tunnels made by the termites When does this chain of events stop being self and becomes ruled by evil and satan?
You have no definition for Sin - if its ra it must be sin you think If a lion kills to feed his pride - under the command to be fruitful and multiply generation after generation - why is it evil? If a fruit falls to the ground and rots - under the command to be fruitful and multiply generation after generation - why is it evil?
For me - Sin = the choice not to obey/seek/respect God You ask - OH so what commands did Adam and Eve break?
So if the archons are just like cows, who also have natural ra affects such as self inside them, why can’t humans see the archons, and kill them off, like man did with dinosaurs ?
Actually - the kabbalah as well as the Koran both say clearly You can kill them when they are in corporeal form
Angels appeared to Lot and Abraham in the form of men Archon appear as shedim - shape shifters - black dogs / crows / reptiles / in 3D from In this form you can kill an archon / Jinn / demon
So why isn’t man smart enough to overcome and kill them off, after all the archonic animals cannot choose,
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
There are many angels Most of them are invisible to us - they are here all around us yet invisible to us Unless they appear to us
There are many archon only 200 of the bane elohiym changed their form in Gen 6 - and appeared to us The Nephilim of Gen 6 = ½ archon+ ½ human = demi-god - and are always visible to us The Nephilim of Gen 6 survived the Flood in multiple possible ways
Jewish kabbalah 1- An archon (Nephilim) hung on the outside of the ark - and Hamm fed him through a knot hole 2- An archon (Nephilim named Og) was hid inside the ark in a dark corner and Hamm fed him there
Enoch - The Watcher are heavenly being that watch man Some Watcher came to earth as in Gen 6 some of the Nephilim - Giants were very tall - extremely tall Gen 7:20 fifteen cubits upwards have the waters become mighty, and the mountains are covered; Possible taller than 15 cubits
Book of Jubilees (After the Flood) 10:4. But do Thou bless me and my sons, that we may increase and multiply and replenish the earth. 5. And Thou knowest how Thy Watchers, the fathers of these spirits, acted in my day: and as for these spirits which are living, imprison them and hold them fast in the place of condemnation, and let them not bring destruction on the sons of thy servant, my God; for these are malignant, and created in order to destroy
Gnostic the archon have always inhabited the planets - visible 3D creation Earth is just one of many worlds So the idea of aliens as ancient archon - sure The idea of current aliens and their UFOs - sure
The bane elohiym were always here invisible - sure The bane elohiym came from space as ancient astronauts - sure
Archon = shedim + jinn+ evil spirits + demons + ‘other gods’ + spirit gods of many religions Ghost, Ghouls, and Goblins, shadow people, shades, POWERS and PRINCIPALITRIES
ALL OF IT through ALL of HISTORY DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THEM - as long as WE RECOGNISE WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 19:10:55 GMT -5
D" Please tell me where you get this idea that God made the ra to test man to love God more? Where do you get this – you make it up – just so you can argue against your own misstatements? I have never expressed either of these ideas – any text I have ever quoted never suggest such a thing Is man tested to love more – what a stupid ideaR " OK so why would GOD created a flawed world than for humans? Don't say GOD can't create a perfect uptopian world, because GOD can create anything He wants to. Creating a flawed world, with entropy, chaos and friction, would by definition wear GOD out, since GOD is the source of all Creative Energy. D" You mock scripture - you deny scripture - you musty twist scripture to fit you larger truth SDA doctrineR" I do not mock Scripture, I am just trying to understand Gnosticism, and I think Gnosticism is really stupid and makes no sense at all. D" Deu 8:2 … to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.R" You keep using torah texts, AFTER SIN entered the prefect utopian world. I am not interested in these texts, WHY did GOD created a flawed world for ADAM BEFORE Adam sinned? Gnosticism cannot answer that question, because GOD never created a flawed world to begin with. D" Correct - the Son that stays at home is not tested The Son that left home and goes into the world - is tested by the worldR Correct. The SON that left home, left as a SINNING SINNER FIRST, than got tested by GOD while He was SINNING, and returned because of the testing, to return from SINNING to his original SINLESS state. Do you follow this idea? R The prodigal got tested after he sinned, so much so, he decided to return to His Father.
D" Correct - the contest takes place in the world Correct - once in the world - the son realizes that no one loved him as his father did Correct - once in the world - the son realized that no one LOVES him as much as the Father doesR so if we agree, why do you have a world of ra before ADAM sinned? Not a torah text backs up your diea, only Gnosticism does. Sure the word "choshek" implies natural RA was already on earth, earth was never created. It must have been created before long time ago, and so has "choshek" already on it, is already void and formless. And we discover had sinning angels banished to it, which Gnostic writings only term "archons". SO why are these angels here? in darkness? Because they sinned. But only your Gnostic writings negate this torah idea. Gnostic writings twist the war in heaven in Rev 12, and the banishment of angels that sinned to earth, long BEFORE earth received a second creation? It must be created a second time, because the rocky place was already here with angels on it. SO earth gets a second face lift with a new creation, despite darkness and sinning angels on it, and this new creation has new physcial laws, that fit into the darkness that is with the earth and its ra already here. Can GOD create a face lift for earth with ra already on it, with brand new laws fitting into the ra already on the earth? Of course. God can do anything He wants. The 120 decimal constant shows you the perfect world fitted also along side the ra already on earth "caused by the sinning angels". ( Note when GOD hardens wicked hearts, does this mean GOD supplies the sin the wicked people do? No. The people choose to sin or do ra, so GOD has to create the RA, so they can do the sin, the RA demands. Sicne GOD is all there is, GOD has to create also the RA, the sinning person wishes to do. So really the SIN and the RA comes from the wicked person, but GOD has to create that RAm in order for it to exist. WHY? Because GOD normally cannot tolerate RA or any sin, they would immediately cease to exist, under GOD's will. So why does it exist? Because sin came the first time, and other beings not sinning need to see the affects of free will choice to sin.) D "The Rabbi said - Eve knew she should enter the lower world – the kingdom of the archon – to fulfill her calling Adam then chose to go with her – on her mission trip – as an evangelist for the LordR I asked you what mission? why enter into disobedience? You did not answer the question, only mocked me for asking the question? D" Where is your scripture saying that your satan created yester ra and place it into man?
R Mt 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. Where does weeds come from, especially weeds that looked similar to wheat? Torah says an enemy did this. Ge 3:17 ¶ And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; Adam's diet changes from fruit of a tree, to wheat fruit, with look alike tares, or weeds. Genesis 3 leaves out who caused the wheat tares as weeds? NT torah say an enemy did this. It is a curse, GOD spells out to Adam AFTER Adam sinned. D" Where is your scripture saying that your satan created yester ra and place it into man?The serpent was the sinning angel, also termed 'satan' who opposed GOD by sinning first. This angel got Adam to sin, thus a change of ruler over Creation happened, and this angel changed or spoiled certain plants to become wheat look alike tares. An enemy did this. D" There are not 3 individual gods working together There is only ONE GOD - and man perceives Him / experiences Him in 3 formsR" you don't understand creation torah very well. Ps 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.(KJV) Ps 33:6 By the word of the Jesus-YHWH were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the MEDIUM(HS) of his mouth.(Ancient Hebrew) A medium carries the powers from another Being. Mal 2:10 ¶ Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? So the power of the Father flowed via the Medium and did as the SON worded the words. Pr 8:22 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Who is ME? here? The SON, who is also the uncaused cause. Pr 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth Who is I here, helping the creative works? Wisdom, the Medium, the HS. No where does the HS alone do any creative works without her consort. Your Gnostic writings are false. D" Why is - the natural cycle of life = imperfect Why is - the natural cycle of life = dysfunctionalR Good question. What is natural cycles of life? live, die and decompose, recycle? My understanding GOD is living and loving, so everything of GOD is living and loving. Rocks do not decay, or fall apart with time. Heat does not exist. Friction does not exist. Things do not die, or decompose. The natural cycles of life cope with the curse upon creation. Have you considered the awesome ability of GOD before the curse came? Sure GOD is able to make a world exist with curses in it, but really would GOD choose this if GOD had a choice? God would choose living rather than living with decaying. Metal in the new creation are crystals, today with curse metals are amorphous, mixed up array. Gold as a crystal is green in colour and yellow in colour depending upon how light enters the metal crystal. Imagine streets of gold like this? Can man make crystal gold? No, we are just beginning to make crystal iron. D" Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?R It's NOT. You are saying darkness is a part of GOD's light? Einstein says darkness does not exist. Cold does not exist. Ra does not exist. These things only exist because Man chooses to SIN. If the universe did not have SIN in it, such RA would never exist. Imagine flying in the new earth, walking without the need to overcome friction. Physics says you cannot walk without friction. God says you can. Change the natural laws. Are you saying the only natural laws we have are the current ones we have? Can't GOD have changed them because Adam sinned? D" Question - what type of magic do you imply to explain how you can multiply to fill the waters and the earth in just 48 hours as measured today?R" Robert Gentro says the granite rocks were made in nanoseconds of time, because halo decays exist in the rocks, I suspect this is formed during great flood, so rocks like granite formed in nanoseconds of time during upheaval of the great flood. Man can make diamonds from carbon in a few hours of time. D" The truth [/b] = we no longer have the original 3500 year old Hebrew[/font] R" I believe we have, it's what Jeff Benner is uncovering, Ancient Hebrew, inside the copied modern Hebrew of the torah. D: "Within it - there is a lot of linguistic drift R" who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. I do not find any errors in the imrah word of the Father. --------------------------- R You are saying GOD cannot create a utopian world of bliss, without friction and no nuclear decay?D" I am saying your concept of a utopian world is yet to come Rev 21-22 I am saying God created the world in a balance between tov and ra we see as nature - and God said it was good - Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?R" Nothing wrong with GOD's design after the curse on Creation came when Adam sinned. But you're saying this happened BEFORE Adam sinned, BEFORE curse came. R " You limit GOD by even suggesting this. God can create anything, even a world with 120 decimal places of accuracy, fine tuned world with both tov and ra in it?D" First you say God cant - then you say God doesR you are confused. You say GOD can create utopia in the next Creation, so why didn't GOD do this for Adam before He sinned and GOD cursed His Creation? R" Thus earth was already here Before Creation, with sinning angels on it, Before Creation.D" Before creation - you are too desperate - please remain calm and just read the scriptureR: Yes Dave read Scripture. Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep Does this say Earth was Created during Creation week? No, It suggests earth was already there, so during Creation Week GOD added things to earth. But Dave laughs at this idea. You have earth created along with Creation week. I say no. The war in heaven and angels banished to earth, happened before Creation Week happened to earth. D" You only believe in the Western Roman Christendom Feel Good only God Therefore you must invent another god of evil to explain scripture and the world you see around you - I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm? But you claim not to pro-Roman doctrine - HmmmmmmmR: "so you are mocking my words? Since James says sins begins in the mind, than the hand, than perhaps Eve is right, touching the fruit is the same sinning as eating the fruit. This is one reason why I refuse to look at sexy pictures of fornication, as we as refrain from fornication. Job says to hear GOD is the same as seeing GOD.... but instead you mock and find fault with Eve's words. I think she was right, we should not even look the the tree, let alone touch it's fruit, or even eat from the fruit. The prodigal son sinned when asking the father for his inheritance. He also fornicated and did adultery became disrespectful of his family, become proud, overruled the father's dignity. Long before He did other sins, the prodigal was already sinning. So Eve was right, we never not to even look at the tree, or touch its fruit, the reason why I refuse to even listen to bad news, watch bad things, or lest I be caught up in the badness of these principles. The PNG people do not allow couples to talk to girls in the shadows, they say to do so, implies having sex with that girl. Same idea as Eve, some cultures are strict with rules of ra. D" If a lion kills to feed his pride - under the command to be fruitful and multiply generation after generation - why is it evil? If a fruit falls to the ground and rots - under the command to be fruitful and multiply generation after generation - why is it evil?R "These things are evil in the sense their functions are no longer loving and functional. These functions come from curse, when Adam sinned, God cursed Creation. D: " Jewish kabbalah 1- An archon (Nephilim) hung on the outside of the ark - and Hamm fed him through a knot hole 2- An archon (Nephilim named Og) was hid inside the ark in a dark corner and Hamm fed him thereR: "Serious? Really? You accept this as part of the Hebrew torah? D: " Gnostic the archon have always inhabited the planets - visible 3D creation Earth is just one of many worlds So the idea of aliens as ancient archon - sure The idea of current aliens and their UFOs - sureR: "Serious? Really? You accept this as part of the Hebrew torah? SO archons inhabit other worlds? Really? Apart from earth? D: " The bane elohiym were always here invisible - sure The bane elohiym came from space as ancient astronauts - sureR:" SO you see bane elohiym as archons? Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. SO humans are bane elohiym? Does not fit your defining the term? Shalom Shabbat
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Post by Dave on Feb 12, 2021 22:21:05 GMT -5
R " OK so why would GOD created a flawed world than for humans? D"You mock scripture - you deny scripture - you musty twist scripture to fit you larger truth SDA doctrine R" I do not mock Scripture Gen 1:31 And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning--day the sixth. Only you preach God’s world is flawedGod said it was tov - I’ll take His word over yoursD" Deu 8:2 … to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not. R" You keep using torah texts, AFTER SIN entered the prefect utopian world. I am not interested in these texts, You keep asking why does God test man - I quote scriptureYour response - Y ou keep using torah texts - I am not interested in these texts,At least you admit it WHY did GOD created a flawed world for ADAM BEFORE Adam sinned? Gnsoticism cannot answer that question, because GOD never created a flawed world to begin with.Correct - Gen 1:31 And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good;Only you call God’s creation flawed - God said it was tovD" Correct - the Son that stays at home is not tested The Son that left home and goes into the world - is tested by the world R COrrect. The SON that left home, left as a SINNING SINNER FIRST, than got tested by GOD while He was SINNING, and returned because of the testing, to return from SINNING to his original SINLESS state. Do you follow this idea?The more and more I talk to you - you prove you don’t understand scripture D"You mock scripture - you deny scripture - you musty twist scripture to fit you larger truth SDA doctrineR" I do not mock ScriptureThen give me scripture that says the Prodigal Son’s sin was to leave home Give me scripture saying the Prodigal Son left home a sinnerFirst you sayWHY did GOD created a flawed world for ADAM BEFORE Adam sinned? Gnsoticism cannot answer that question, because GOD never created a flawed world to begin with. Not a torah text backs up your diea, only Gnosticism does. Then you saySure the word "choshek" implies natural RA was already on earth, Sure the word "choshek" implies natural RA was already on earth, earth was never created. It must have been created before long time ago, and so has "choshek" already on it Either ra was in the world prior to Adam or not - you argue both and I say you are not consistent - you just cannot have it both ways SO why are these angels here? in darkness? Because they sinned. But only your Gnsotic writings negate this torah idea. Gnostic writings twist the war in heaven in Rev 12, and the banishment of angels that sinned to earth, long BEFORE earth received a second creation? There you go - a second creation?D" Where is your scripture saying that your satan created yester ra and place it into man? Mt 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. Where does weeds come from, especially weeds that looked similar to wheat? Torah says an enemy did this.Excuse meGen 3:17 And to the man He said, `Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and dost eat of the tree concerning which I have charged thee, saying, Thou dost not eat of it, cursed is the ground on thine account; in sorrow thou dost eat of it all days of thy life, Gen 3:18 and thorn and bramble it doth bring forth to thee, and thou hast eaten the herb of the field; Gen 3:19 by the sweat of thy face thou dost eat bread till thy return unto the ground, for out of it hast thou been taken, for dust thou art , and unto dust thou turnest back.' God established the Contest of gen 3:15 Where do the weeds come from - God curse upon man Is God the enemy nowD" Where is your scripture saying that your satan created yester ra and place it into man?The serpent was the sinning angel, also termed 'satan' who opposed GOD by sinning first. This angel got Adam to sin, thus a change of ruler over Creation happened, and this angel changed or spoiled certain plants to become wheat look alike tares. An enemy did this. I asked for scripture - you offer doctrine - you can tell the difference can’t youD" Why is - the natural cycle of life = all bad / evil / ra / not a part of God’s Plan?It's NOT. But you deny the natural cycle of life - bad /ra / and evil it is impossible before Sin entered the world Then there was a (you finally admitted it) - a second creation D:"Within it - there is a lot of linguistic driftR" who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. I do not find any errors in the imrah word of the Father. OK - and what does that have to do with 3000 years of linguistic driftDo you have a point? --------------------------- Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep Does this say Earth was Created during Creation week? No, It suggests earth was already there, so during Creation Week GOD added things to earth. But Dave laughes at this idea. You have earth created along with Creation week.Dave does laugh - OUT LOUDGen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. You are too simple and cannot tell the different between earth of Gen 1:1 and the earth of Gen 1:9Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; D" You only believe in the Western Roman Christendom Feel Good only God Therefore you must invent another god of evil to explain scripture and the world you see around you - I would call it adding …. Is adding to other other’s words, a sin? Sensationalism? Hmm? But you claim not to pro-Roman doctrine - Hmmmmmmm R: "so you are mocking my words? If you demand that scripture says God cannot hate - I will mock youPro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. If you demand that scripture says God cannot kill - I will mock youRev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. If you demand that scripture says God cannot get angry - or express remorsel - I will mock youPlease stop demanding scripture is a lieD: "Jewish kabbalahR: "Serious? Really? You accept this as part of the Hebrew torah?Did I say this was part of Torah? - I swore I said this was kabbalah
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:22:59 GMT -5
Hate: Like a thorn, hate causes one to turn away from another. V) $R\ ($R\ S-NA) — Hate: [Hebrew and Aramaic] [df: anV] [freq. 147] (vf: Paal, Niphal, Piel, Participle) |kjv: hate, enemy, foe, hateful| {str: 8130, 8131}
You associate moral ra with Hebrew words, that is NOT there.
Hate is not the opposite of love. Maybe in English it is.
Sane, means to "turn away from" , the relationship to turn from you.
We might use it as a moral negative term, but it refers to the thorns that come from SIN, that cause us to turn from the thorn.
You also speak of chamad to mean lust, it means to desire.
De 4:21 Furthermore the LORD <Y@hovah> was angry <'anaph>
Jeff see the Hebrew as "snort" the strong over the nations mouthing. It's a strong mouthing off at people. A snorting of the nose. No moral ra associated with this word, unless the context implies transgression.
You can turn from someone, but not hate them. You can desire something, but not lust for it. You can be angry, but not sin.
The broad meanings do have negative meanings too, it you keep going to that extreme.
If God is the provider of living, surely God can end that providing especially since you do not support God back. How is that murder or killing that person? Please explain?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2021 9:18:57 GMT -5
If God is the provider of living, surely God can end that providing especially since you do not support God back. How is that murder or killing that person? Please explain? Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, Num 16:35 Fire also came out from Adonai and consumed the 250 men offering the incense. Rev 20:14 Then death and Sheol were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. How is that NOT murder or NOT killing these people? Please explain?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 16:27:02 GMT -5
Nu 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. 33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. 34 And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. 35 ¶ And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.
You do not understand. God is dealing with a SIN problem here. Korah were rulers over the people like Nicodemus was a ruler over the people (written as archon by the way in the NT)
If the rulers wound people, by ruling them to sin continually, than the rulers are murdering the people seeking salvation. Hence GOD has to stop this wounding, in favor of people choosing salvation. Hence their conscience is seared by choice, than they seek to wound others, so GOD has to stop them from living.
You think living is something we have given to us, (your spirit idea) . Living is not an immortal gift , given to us. Living is a gift we daily receive continually by GOD via relationship to HIM. Torah says breath of living makes us become living energy. God does not give us a little spark of living energy, God in relationship to us, we become living because GOD is living.
So if you despise your relationship to GOD, than GOD has to end relationship to you, and you die.
Why is there a continual burning lamp in the temple, a fire that must never go out. Trimmed by humans forever. Because only energy comes from GOD because GOD is energy. SO if you want to be living energy, you have to stay in a relationship with GOD.
Yes but as sinners we break relationship to GOD and GOD still loves us. So does this mean we can keep on sinning?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in Jesus sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Jesus, neither known Jesus.
Where does sin come from?
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
The verse has "shedim" "chata" "archon"
What is shedim, from the Hebrew word "shad" meaning teat. The breast are feeding functions.
So the SHADDAY is a feeding function of the HS functioning as a medium to feed us. Not with her own power, but from the flowing power of the Father.
Scripture also make a poetry simile of a ra medium, making a feeding function that feeds us SIN and thus RA. One word for this is devil. Jesus called devil the provider of lies. In order words the provider of sin. The feeding teat that functions to feed you with sin.
Sometimes there are sin-offerings not unto death
1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
And sometimes GOD divorces us, end our relationship and we die.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;
The marriage to Jesus, the relationship to GOD, or the opposing angels who sin, all are battles of relationship.
Since GOD is the only relationship we have really have, God can end your living with HIM, if you persist is seeking relationship elsewhere. That strange act is not murder, it is simply the ending of relationship, after all wicked people also live by mercy and receive probation of living to GOD.
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 15, 2021 1:48:04 GMT -5
Nu 16: You do not understand. God is dealing with a SIN problem here. Hence GOD has to stop this wounding, in favor of people choosing salvation. Hence their conscience is seared by choice, than they seek to wound others, so GOD has to stop them from living.
First you say – your God is Love only and cannot do any ra ever – it is impossible for God to make ra or do ra or it would make God a sinner You argue with me at length that God cannot kill Then you flip flop whenever it suit you as your doctrine demands
God does not give us a little spark of living energy, NO soul – no spirit – just biology
Where does sin come from? Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Man willfully chooses it
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. So – word man – what does this mean All men are sinner – there none righteous no not one So is the devil the father of mankind – are you suggesting Adam and Eve were created by your satan?
George Washington is the Father of America – how does this impact my ability to make choices for myself? Galileo is the Father of Astronomy – If I become an astronomer does my DNA get rewritten somehow?
Please explain to me what you think 1 John 3:8 means
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 13:58:23 GMT -5
D" Please explain to me what you think 1 John 3:8 means
By the same word "faith" when your support someone, by saying their words, or doing their words, you receive empowerment from those words, your ruler rules over you, empowering you.
Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
You cannot support Jesus if you do self, these masters oppose each other.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Your power flows from supporting Jesus, and does works because it flows through you.
Self can do pious works, but there is no support from Jesus, so your works mean nothing to God.
Jas 2:19 Thou support that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also support, and tremble.
James describes an opposing kingdom, who also rely on their subjects supporting them.
Whatever you support, these Beings more powerful than you, also support you back.
Certain movie stars sell their soul to Satan in support, and in exchange receive a glorious time in His kingdom.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
The author who empowers sinning, is from this strong authority, the opposing angel who sins. You receive power from this ra medium when you support it.
The Bible speaks little of this opposer, but instead says fight the good fight of faith. Instead we should support Jesus, not support the opposer of Jesus. Remember there were two burning beings upon the pole, the look of support to which one do you look to.
SHalom
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