The Call to Witness

[Dave]

D" Please explain to me what you think 1 John 3:8 means
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

The author who empowers sinning, is from this strong authority, the opposing angel who sins. You receive power from this ra medium when you support it.

1Jn 3:8 ὁ ποιῶν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἐκ τοῦ διαβόλου ἐστίν,

ὁ - Part of Speech: definite article, Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative), Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine

G4160 – ποιέω -; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct): - abide, bring (forth), cause, commit, (would) do (-ing), execute, exercise
Tense: Present, Voice: Active, Mood: Participle, Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative), Number: Singular, Gender: Masculine

τὴν = the – feminine goes with ἁμαρτίαν

G266 - ἁμαρτία - sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).
Noun, Case: Accusative (direct object; motion toward; time: "how long"), Number: Singular, Gender: Feminine

G1537 - ἐκ, ἐξ - A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds),

τοῦ = the genitive case – goes with διαβόλου

G1228 – διάβολος - a traducer; specifically Satan - false accuser, devil, slanderer.
Part of Speech: Adjective, Case: Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from")

Translation – this is a being verb – therefor the sentence structure = A=B
Subject = predicate nominative
Subject = ὁ = The (man – masculine singular)
Verb = ποιέω = = he who makes, commits, executes

So The man = he who commits, executes → direct object ἁμαρτία (sin)
The man + (prepositional phrase) = he who commits, executes → direct object (sin)
The man + ek + (of/from the devil) = he who commits, executes → sin
The man (point of origin) of the devil = he who commits sin
The man – of/from the devil = he who commits, executes → sin

(KJV) He that committeth sin is of the devil;
(TLV) The one who practices sin is of the devil,
(YLT) he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is,
(ASV) he that doeth sin is of the devil;
(OJB) The one practicing averos is of Hasatan,

ἐστίν, ὅτι ἀπ᾿ ἀρχῆς ὁ διάβολος ἁμαρτάνει.
G1510 - εἰμί - First person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, (English being verb - is, am, are, were, be)
G3754 - ὅτι - demonstrative that (sometimes redundant); causatively because:
G575 - ἀπό – away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literally or figuratively):
ἀρχῆς – beginning
ὁ διάβολος ἁμαρτάνει – the devil sinned

because the devil (existed- am) sinned from/since the beginning

My interpretation
Those men who continually commit (Present, Voice: Active, Mood – busy in the present) sin
Are of / from / belong to the devil – who was a sinner from the beginning

Does not mean – those who committed a sin once – it means those who are busy sinning now
Are of the devil – You either seek God or World (God Kingdom = heaven –or- World = Kingdom of archon)

You are either seeking God – or living in the world because the world belong to SELF and archon

Your version = The author who empowers sinning, is from this strong authority, the opposing angel who sins. You receive power from this ra medium when you support it.

The Bible speaks little of this opposer, but instead says fight the good fight of faith. Instead we should support Jesus, not support the opposer of Jesus. Remember there were two burning beings upon the pole, the look of support to which one do you look to.

What a bunch of nonsense – you are just reading your doctrine into the text

You go on about faith
There is nothing in this verse about faith
If you are a sinner – you are worldly and belong to the world of flesh – the world of archon

Jas 2:14 ¶ What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

You cannot support Jesus if you do self, these masters oppose each other.
Not at the same time – agree – and Paul says this inner conflict is a real challenge sometimes – miserable man that I am
Or – do you doubt Paul was a Christian –Ooops there goes 85% of your agl

Because you deny the spirit – you have difficulties speak about the gifts of the spirit

Jas 2:19 Thou support that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also support, and tremble.
James describes an opposing kingdom, who also rely on their subjects supporting them.
You really need to learn to read – and stop adding your doctrine to every text
the devils also support God – no mention of their Kingdom or anyone supporting them

and you say
By the same word "faith" when your support someone, by saying their words, or doing their words, you receive empowerment from those words, your ruler rules over you, empowering you.

So it is the power from God that flows through the archon who have faith
So whatever they do – it is the power of God doing it
And we are back to man is just a HS driven animal with memories

But you say the devils oppose God / hate God
So it is the power of God that opposes and hates God
Your theology is error

Self can do pious works, but there is no support from Jesus, so your works mean nothing to God.
So disagree it isn’t funny – so if you have never heard you have zero chance
DEEDS, WORKS, and FRUIT is a lie you say - ridicules

Your power flows from supporting Jesus, and does works because it flows through you.
I agree – gifts of the spirit – speaking in tongues, laying on of hands, prophesy, healing, discernment
Which are freely available to the Christian who have received a Personal Pentecost / Born Again / born again of spirit – because when the HS passes through you – YOU REMBER IT

This has nothing to do with the average guy in the back row of the corner church – who think he is a believer – but doubts as well

Please define DEEDS, Works, and Fruit and why I cannot do them – God does it for me

Certain movie stars sell their soul to Satan in support, and in exchange receive a glorious time in His kingdom.
Agree – does not mean they are possessed – it only takes one or two executives at the top to make a star

The Bible speaks little of this oppose – you say (two words taken out of context – makes a religion)
The Bible says nothing of your satan – but it does speak of angelic beings (good or bad) being used to test, deceive, and prosecute

[Deleted]

D So it is the power from God that flows through the archon who have faith
So whatever they do – it is the power of God doing it
And we are back to man is just a HS driven animal with memories

But you say the devils oppose God / hate God
So it is the power of God that opposes and hates God
Your theology is error

R "It's easiest to let your opponent rave on, and you just mock my words and criticize it, isn't it? Than write your own religion and your own view point.

You mention a difficult thing, and again why must you fathom how God flows, even through the wicked, even the archons?

All creatures receive living and their power from GOD. Does not make GOD responsible if they sin. Sinning comes from creatures abusing God's power. Any creature that sins and is wicked or does ra, has to be by definition opposing GOD.
Because Scripture sees sin as the opposing force from God's viewpoint.




D" Please define DEEDS, Works, and Fruit and why I cannot do them – God does it for me

There are two kinds of deeds, works and fruits any creature can do. This applies to archons as well as humans, both saved and wicked.

If you are sinless, the master you follow and support is GOD. All flow of power flows from God through you. You are not aware of this support because there is nothing to compare your words to, since all the words you speak and think are only functional. So your service to God seems robotic, but it is based on free will, and you love GOD using the powerful words of God, you do and think only of GOD.

If you are a sinner, the master you follow is self. You are doing dysfunctional things. If you choose to be saved, you have to surrender self and let it daily die. However God accepts the kind of sinner who serves God as best as He can but does lots of good deeds using self rather than allowing God's power to do those good deeds. We can call these people lukewarm, who are neither hot or cold, but serving two masters, God and Self. The hot sinner who supports God in faith, using the power of God to do good deeds, and thus it is God flowing through that person that does the loving fruits of GOD. Such a sinner is saved on this basis only regarding deeds, proving Jesus is able to make His salvation flow through that person. For many sinners seeking GOD, this child like flow might only happen a few times, so the sinner is snatched as a firebrand from the fire of salvation. Or like Peter or Paul, your support for God goes on to serve GOD as a witness for others.

When you seek to support GOD, the words flow in your mind, are words you choose to know and say because you are aware of both good and bad words in your mind, so the support is actually a fight of faith, a daily continual war in your head, to surrender fully to GOD and let GOD flow through you. This is why God promises to help you support Him, as this fight of faith is impossible without God's help.

Hope this helps.
SHalom

[Dave]

D So it is the power from God that flows through the archon who have faith
So whatever they do – it is the power of God doing it
And we are back to man is just a HS driven animal with memories

But you say the devils oppose God / hate God
So it is the power of God that opposes and hates God
Your theology is error

R "It's easiest to let your opponent rave on, and you just mock my words and criticize it, isn't it? Than write your own religion and your own view point.

Then stop right now and answer my 1.5 year old question
If there is no spirit – and all these creatures are just empowered by God / HS
Whatever they do – it is the power of God doing it
And now you add that the archon are just driven around by God/HS

Whatever they do – it is the power of God doing it
But you also argue that these same creatures oppose and hate God

So – you have the power of God flowing through a creature to hate and oppose God Himself
You say I rant on – WHAT EVER IT TAKES so that you will answer this question

You mention a difficult thing, and again why must you fathom how God flows, even through the wicked, even the archons?
I simply ask you to make to position clear – you talk all around a question but fail to answer the question

You are playing politics – I am trying to study the scriptures at depth

Because Scripture sees sin as the opposing force from God's viewpoint.
WOW – what a specific definition – sin = anything you say it is or isn’t
Try again

D" Please define DEEDS, Works, and Fruit and why I cannot do them – God does it for me

There are two kinds of deeds, works and fruits any creature can do. This applies to archons as well as humans, both saved and wicked.
If you are sinless, the master you follow and support is GOD. All flow of power flows from God through you. You are not aware of this support because there is nothing to compare your words to, since all the words you speak and think are only functional. So your service to God seems robotic, but it is based on free will, and you love GOD using the powerful words of God, you do and think only of GOD.
If you are a sinner, the master you follow is self. You are doing dysfunctional things. If you choose to be saved, you have to surrender self and let it daily die. However God accepts the kind of sinner who serves God as best as He can but does lots of good deeds using self rather than allowing God's power to do those good deeds. We can call these people lukewarm, who are neither hot or cold, but serving two masters, God and Self. The hot sinner who supports God in faith, using the power of God to do good deeds, and thus it is God flowing through that person that does the loving fruits of GOD. Such a sinner is saved on this basis only regarding deeds, proving Jesus is able to make His salvation flow through that person. For many sinners seeking GOD, this child like flow might only happen a few times, so the sinner is snatched as a firebrand from the fire of salvation. Or like Peter or Paul, your support for God goes on to serve GOD as a witness for others.
When you seek to support GOD, the words flow in your mind, are words you choose to know and say because you are aware of both good and bad words in your mind, so the support is actually a fight of faith, a daily continual war in your head, to surrender fully to GOD and let GOD flow through you. This is why God promises to help you support Him, as this fight of faith is impossible without God's help..

Blah blah blah – sound s nice – sounds religious – very churchy

You talk all around a question but fail to answer the question
You are playing politics – I am trying to study the scriptures at depth

DEEDS = thing you do – I held the door for an old lady = a nice thing – a mitzvah
The I tripped her just so I could laugh at her – a bad thing
If you never heard of the Lord – these nice/good deeds vrs bad/evil deed add up – proportional

Works – your impact upon the world and community – a good or bad witness (religious or not)
Was it your mission in life to be a porno star – or a minister of the Lord
If you tithe, help, teach, sweep the floor, visit the sick, teach the children for the Lord (church?) = works

Fruit – is only those you lead closer to the Lord
This might be the calling of an evangelist on a mission to save souls
This might just being a Christian in your community – your words you walk is a witness
Conversations with men 40 yrs ago only took 10yrs to sink in

[Deleted]

Greetings

Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

This is the only application of the royal law, coming from the no murder command, is actually about living. This judgement of the royal law, gives insight into how missing is achieved. 

You see sin as something morally missing, ie transgression of the law. But the definition is more broad than that. In fact chata means to miss. Or missing. Chata is a verb. And verbs functions between two nouns involved in the action. 

These two noun have to be a CREATURE and some OBJECT of matter. So a slinger slinging rocks at some target misses the target and this is called missing. The slinger is found missing perfection. He does not hit the target perfectly and thus misses. If the slinger was a perfect slinger, He would sling rocks perfectly and hit the desired targets all the time with 100% accuracy. 

Now consider GOD in this theme. Now the two nouns are GOD and some OBJECT of matter, YOU. God's flow of power never misses it's target so in this sense GOD is a perfect slinger and He slings His arrows with 100% perfection all the time. Yet you have GOD missing all the time in your theological view.

Chaos is missing order.
Cold is missing heat.
Darkness is missing light.
Evil is missing God's love.

These things involve missing. If GOD is no longer ordered, than disorder happens, so something is missing. I would say GOD is throwing his order, his energy and his laws at this thing, ie a galaxy or a Uranium element rock, but these things continue to miss aspects of God's power that cause perfect order.

Some planets have terrible temperatures on them, hostile to living, where does warmer temperatures come from? From God. Yet the planet or the icy comet experiences missing. God is not throwing his warmth all over the universe as perfectly as it could be projected, so missing happens. And so cold is observed by man.

Some planets like earth are rotating in light and dark, in day and night, away from GOD and towards God. The seasons of time is a comprise of being sometimes in light and sometimes in the darkness. Yet before GOD created time on earth, and seasons of day and night, the earth was always in the darkness. What is darkness? The absence of GOD's light. So the light is missing it's target. 

The question one could ask, is why is the darkness missing the light? Is this a natural form of missing, or is GOD intentionally wanting to miss His light entering that place? Or is there some other reason why earth is missing God's light?

Since light is eternal in the sense it travels everywhere, than GOD is intentionally missing His light on the earth, and so the Darkness continues, and the earth was "Ge 1:2 And the earth <'erets> was <hayah> without form <tohuw>, and void <bohuw>; and darkness <choshek>"

Now Dave said Ge 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. So God created earth from day 1? no, not the land of earth itself, no.

So Dave, a fundamental mistake in understanding bara, to fill or engineer.
If you fill something, the something you fill already exists.
If you engineer something, the something you apply engineering to, already exists. 

For example:

(1) Jos 17:15 .. get thee up to the wood's, and cut down for thyself there in the land...

The trees is matter that already existed so is not "bara" here, what is "bara" here is something from the wood's.

(2) Nu 16:30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth,

Now GOD bara something new with the ground, God opens up the ground, and swallows the wicked tribe of Koran

But notice the adamah the land was already here, and hence existing. Only the hole is engineered from the land.

(3) 1Sa 2:29 ..to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings

To bara yourself fat as an offering... implies the "Fat" or "meat" was already existing.

(4) Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

The heart or character involved in the second development or second birth inside the womb or compassion center of the HS, implies the old heart or character is existing as something, so implies the bara, a new character, does not mean create a brand new person upon accepting salvation, but the daily renewal of old character into new character under the development of GOD via the HS.

In other words the bara here works upon the man's character, which is already existing.

(5) Now consider the earth, The earth was already existing, and GOD bara, just filled earth up, or engineered earth, adding things to earth. 

That means since the earth was "Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness" there was some intentional reason why this planet was missing the perfection of GOD.

We have assumed SIN is some moral bad aspect of transgressing the LAW, yes some torah does define chata as this. But more broadly the term chata is defined simply as missing. A verb. 

SO our earth long time ago, before GOD decided to do a Creation MakeOver on Earth in just 7 days, the earth was already existing.
"Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness", the earth had missing. Earth was missing GOD. We have to ask why? Are there any Bible clues on this idea? Yes.


Hebrew writes in block logic, as Jeff Benner teaches, so one has to find in Revelation the reason why certain chapters unfold, adding more details to the story. 

Revelation 12 is more details, yes, but when does it unfold?

Re 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Some secrets are hidden until the last days of time. Only Jesus is allowed to open the Book of Secrets and reveal to mankind things not properly revealed in the OT or the NT, but only in the Revelation, given to John in vision. 

Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This passage does not tell us when the war in heaven began, possibly because time didn't exist on earth, until GOD created the day and night thing during Creation Week. But what is certain of this story is the Devil is an angel with other angels, were cast into the earth. Now a war is something bad, so these angels must be doing something bad. Were these angels missing GOD?

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,

This verse includes the term angel and chata, so these angels were indeed missing GOD.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,  

These angels left their beginnings with GOD. This is the same idea as the prodigal son, who left his family home and father, and walked away from both. Thus the prodigal son was missing the daily communion love of his father. 

So without considering the moral definition of chata as transgression of Law, the prodigal son as a broad meaning was intentionally going to be missing his father, when he chose to walk away from his father.

Likewise these angels also intentionally decided to leave their first estate beginning with God. 

What does God do? He casts the angels, including the chief angel, onto the earth. And thus since they are missing GOD, the affect of this missing is seen in this verse:

"Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness"

If we consider this, than we ask, why does GOD than decide to Create a MakeOver on the Earth, with these sinning angels on it?

I use the term "sinning angels" meaning these angels are found missing God's presence. So God decides to add His presence once more with them. Why would GOD do that? Because GOD is loving. Not wanting any creature to be lost. 

And GOD creates a brand new creature, unlike other creatures before, which had seen the angels do missing with God, this brand new creature has never seen missing before of any kind. Is it possible to create something perfect with some missing aspects already on the earth? Yes. 

Consider the earth, always in darkness. God comes and causes the light and darkness to exist together in harmony. Only GOD could engineer a design like that. Does this mean darkness exists, as Einstein reasoned? No darkness is simply the absence of GOD. So darkness is missing light. God's creation of earth includes some times with light and sometimes without light. 

One angel is allowed to commune with the "adam", and we note this "adam" comes in two personalities of Being, the maleness love form and the femaleness love form, but echad being. We might see today Adam and Eve as a couple of humans. No, they were clones genetically, but personalities of love that was unique. They are a compound unity of one adam.

So the angel decides to wait until the couple are separated and thus alone.  This allows a weakness in communion. After many years the angel who was cast unto earth from missing God, has his chance to suggest missing unto Eve, now alone. Notice this event is written in the LAW as causing MISCHIEF on the BEING developing her FRUIT inside the womb of the compassion-centre.



Mankind is developed inside the compassion-center of the HS of GOD. And so mischief happens:-


You say the serpent never did no mischief or missing to Eve.



Only GOD knows both good and evil, was it necessary for man who knew only good, to also know bad? My answer is NO.
SO the serpent who was a angel who had done missing, therefore knows both Good and Bad, like God knows both Good and Bad, told Eve you can be like God knowing both Good and Bad, and God will be OK with this. This is a lie. This is a profound missing of wordings. 

So Dave, please explain why the serpent did not do mischief to the HS developing Adam and Eve as children of GOD?

Here is the same idea Dave:


Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The woman is a simile of the Church, the children of GOD developed in the compassion-center of the HS of GOD.

Who does the mischief here? The dragon does. The sinning angel that once commanded all the angels in heaven.

The Bible explain where missing came from, who did this missing and how God reacts to this missing.

Shalom

[Dave]

Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
You are being developed inside the compassion-center of the HS of GOD. And mischief happens.
I have no idea what you religious talk means to you – how can I comment on it

In your view, is it possible that archons can do mischief to the HS, developing you inside as a child of GOD?
1- against God – who can oppose God – no one
2-, developing you inside as a child of GOD?
I have no idea what you religious talk means to you – how can I comment on it

3- developing Adam and Eve inside as a child of GOD?
I have no idea what you religious talk means to you – how can I comment on it

You say the serpent never did no mischief or sinned, do mischief to another person is sin.
1- I say the serpent did not lie – he deceived
2- scripture says he deceived
3- scripture also says that to be a deceiving spirit in the service of the Lord – facilitation God Will is not a sin

You say – to do mischief to another person is sin.
Yet Israel caused and did a lot of mischief in the name of the Lord facilitating the ahl – this is a sin?

I reject your – I can make it mean anything I want it to be definition
Chata = the choice betweern mitzvah and or not
Chata is the choice between God and world

Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Who does the mischief here? The dragon does.
ZERO EVIDENCE OF SIN

Was there an instruction given to the Beast – do not devour
If yes – then the beast sinned
Without the Law – you are just assuming doctrine and forcing heavenly beings to be bound by rules given to man

Rom 5:13 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.