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Post by Dave on Feb 7, 2021 22:17:36 GMT -5
D "BOOM – If God hardened Pharaoh’s heart – this makes your God a sinner I say this is a most perverse doctrine If God tells Israel to commits genocide – your God is a sinner I say this is a most perverse doctrine – and completely contrary to scripture – and disrespectful to God R" correct what you believe is" a most perverse doctrineEXCUSE ME – This is your argumentYou're saying GOD actually hardens the person's heart intentionally. That my friend makes GOD into a wounder, a murderer, and therefore a SINNER, breaking His own laws of love. I am fortunate to have a Quote" From Eternity Past, p. 184.1 (Ellen Gould White)Exodus 4:21. There was no exercise of supernatural power to harden the heart of the king, I am fortunate to have a Quote from God – Exo 4:21 Adonai said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all the wonders before Pharaoh that I have put in your hand. Still, I will harden his heart, and he will not let the people go. Hmmm? Who should I follow – the Inspired Words of The Creator Himself - or the wife of an Elder of a failed prophesy cult D" Again – show me the law given to heavenly beings – angelic creatures – archon that forbid lyingR "How would you look for the royal torah being absolute? Please print it out here – what is God’s royal torah Again – show me the law given to any heavenly beingJas 2:8 - Ex 20: - Ex 21:1 - all laws given to manAgain – show me the law given to any heavenly being I know of one law given to satan – don’t kill Job Please show me your list of rules for the heavens -------------------- D" Rom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. You need to change the Word of God to read – sin came into the world when The serpent, who was SINNING against GOD for years and years, SINNED again to Eve, Hmmm? Who should I trust? Scripture – the word of God - or Robert’s doctrine? The text does NOT say SIN only came through ADAM, thus the serpent never SINNED.The verse says - sin came into the world through one man – it says nothing about the serpentThe text says SIN-OFFERING came through ADAM, because Adam sinned.YES – I just said that – it is about Adam – not the serpent - agreed----------------------- D"PLEASE ROBERT – explain to me why it is a sin to obey God – it is a sin to facilitate God’s Will Please explain why you must have a God that sins – is a sinner Please explain to me why it is evil to obey God R " You do not see the royal law as absolute, as a written code describing love. Assuming such things as love rules can be written down. STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION – why are you unable to answer questions?You're saying GOD actually hardens the person's heart intentionally. That my friend makes GOD into a wounder, a murderer, and therefore a SINNER, breaking His own laws of love. This is YOUR argument not mineShow me your royal law written for God to obey No being, not even GOD can transgress His own love rules.Then how can your God command Joshua to commit genocide ?You argue this makes your God a sinner – I ask how and why? Instead of answering – you drift off into religious talk – or quote your female prophet that was wrong about the Tower of babble and her words overwrite inspired scripture spoke buy God But you have GOD creating creatures with SELF. How is this even possible? Really Robert – how can God create cows – ants, or cockroaches – is this really your question? My understanding God must allow all people time to seek salvation,INCORRECT – you just argued that a fetus or a young child killed in war has no chance Some people your God allows 120 years – some He only allows 10 years – some least than 1 year But then you say - My understanding God must allow all people time to seek salvationDouble speak – why can’t you present a consistent theology You're saying GOD actually hardens the person's heart intentionally. That my friend makes GOD into a wounder, a murderer, and therefore a SINNER, breaking His own laws of love. My understanding God must allow all people time to seek salvation and no wound this opportunity, and if they choose not, than God can take away their right for living, God's strange act, as the KJV says.Double speak – why can’t you present a consistent theologyGod cannot wound – impossible – it violates the royal law – but God can kill you if he chooses------------------- D" So you are allowed to pluck those two words completely out of context of 3 chapter’s in a row and build a religion OH – so the scriptural idea of precept upon precept is no longer valid – there is an exception in Torah scripture for your satan god – but you claim to have no bias ---------------------------- D" God’s love for his creation is unrequited – a bacteria does not know God – God still loves it Sinners everywhere deny God in so many ways – yet God still loves them This love is labeled “unrequited” because the reciprocity doesn't matter R " boy you think way too deeply. What does Scripture say ? What about rocks? do they show love? Can rocks move? Can rocks seek ? Can rocks make rocky's or itself? All these answer are no, so some things of dust cannot show love, or respond to love. Can man love his car – a song – or a beautiful painting – you argue impossible You argue that God cannot love all by Himself – God cannot love His creation You argue that it takes multiple beings for love to exist I say you are in error – God can and does love his creation – John 3:16 doesn’t say God loved man – but God loves the world so much that ------------ Ps 131:... neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me. No you just criticize and defame in order to exult your doctrine Say anything – pretend that God speaks in error – placing limits upon God to defend your satan doctrine-------------- D" Mat 17:2 Now He was transfigured before them; His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. Sure Robert – just an earthly body – just 3D physical – it is all you can possible imagine R " this glory that shined was the divinity of JesusReally – why didn’t Jesus glow while He walked as a manYou are claiming that Jesus, Moses, and Elijah in heaven are exactly like us here on earth R "Yes but in their bodies, with all it's perfect biology, no corrupt DNA, working for the Lord.There you go defending your biology“… and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish." I – on the other hand – embrace scripture1Jn 3:2 Loved ones, now we are God’s children; and it has not yet been revealed what we will be. But we do know that when it’s revealed, we shall be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. Beings in heaven are NOT in their bodies, with all it's perfect biology, no corrupt DNA They are not like us – but we will be like them – changed 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. Joh 3:6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. But you do not accept scripture – I must be a metaphor for some other meaning You deny the spirit – you insist it is only about biology“… and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 13:46:23 GMT -5
D" Jas 2:8 - Ex 20: - Ex 21:1 - all laws given to man Again – show me the law given to any heavenly being I know of one law given to satan – don’t kill Job Please show me your list of rules for the heavensR" Love is the major quality of GOD, and therefore not specific to any creature, but all of Creation. Notice the presentation of the Jesus the witness speaking attitudes of love from the Mount of Beatitudes, which parallel the Mt Sinai experience:- (1) I AM your SAVIOUR:Mt 5:3 Blessed are the humble in spirit. Let Me be your Saviour. Ex 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (2) I AM your COVERING:Mt 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn ( for what you have lost from ME) Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (3) I AM your POWER:Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: pray to receive daily my character.. Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. (4) I AM your FRUIT:Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Share my fruits in you with others. Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (5) Respect FAMILY:Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: not those who are cruel to family. Ex 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. (6) Respect LIFE:Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: not those with evil intent.. Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. (7) Respect RELATIONSHIPS: Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: not relationship breakers.. Ex 20:13 No adultery. (8) Respect BUILDERS:Mt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for building righteously: not those who steal or destroy. Ex 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (9) Respect TRUTH: Mt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you because you stand for truth. Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (10) DESIRE Me: Get excited and be active! Mt 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: Mt 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. Ex 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. These attitudes about love, relate to any creature, any being with it's ability to respond. ---------------------------------------------- R"No being, not even GOD can transgress His own love rules.D" Then how can your God command Joshua to commit genocide ? You argue this makes your God a sinner – I ask how and why?R" Because making such a command may transgress His own laws. So I have asked you where exactly does GOD command Joshua to commit genocide ? www.christiancentury.org/review/books/does-god-command-genocide-book-joshuaAn interesting read, but offers me little comment. crossexamined.org/did-god-command-genocide-in-the-old-testament/Wow this has a different view of slang speaking of battles? So I have asked you where exactly does GOD command Joshua to commit genocide ? Must have the Hebrew words I mentioned in previous post. D" INCORRECT – you just argued that a fetus or a young child killed in war has no chance Some people your God allows 120 years – some He only allows 10 years – some least than 1 year But then you say - My understanding God must allow all people time to seek salvationR" How much time is required to accept the gift of salvation, and make fruits of that salvation gift? Some plants make fruits in as little as 3 weeks, from seed to seed. A thief on the Cross makes fruit in about 7 seconds. Babies will be raised, I feel in heaven, to grow up, in a perfect world of bliss, based on their parents love, and how God reads the babies DNA, with its potential aven inside. D" Double speak – why can’t you present a consistent theology God cannot wound – impossible – it violates the royal law – but God can kill you if he choosesR" I have not read anywhere where God kills anybody, whatever you claim that means. Specifically show me where. Do you have a better GOD than me? If GOD is the only source of living, and if the only relationship anyone has is always with GOD, than surely GOD is allowed to remove living from you if God wishes to. God does not make mistakes, so I suspect there are really good reasons why this might happen. It might have something to do with other players in the SIN problem. D" You deny the spirit – you insist it is only about biology “… and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."R" Jesus allowed Thomas to touch the wounded body of Jesus, Jesus also ate bread in front of them.... so is this not a flesh body in a perfect world? Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 8, 2021 17:02:30 GMT -5
D"Jas 2:8 - Ex 20: - Ex 21:1 - all laws given to man Again – show me the law given to any heavenly being I know of one law given to satan – don’t kill JobPlease show me your list of rules for the heavensR" Love is the major quality of GOD, (1) I AM your SAVIOUR: (2) I AM your COVERING: (3) I AM your POWER: (4) I AM your FRUIT: All about God(5) Respect FAMILY: (6) Respect LIFE: (7) Respect RELATIONSHIPS: (8) Respect BUILDERS: (9) Respect TRUTH: (10) DESIRE Me: Get excited and be active! All about manThese attitudes about love, relate to any creature, any being with it's ability to respond. Cool – now- Please show me your list of rules for the heavens---------------------------------------------- R"No being, not even GOD can transgress His own love rules. D" Then how can your God command Joshua to commit genocide ? You argue this makes your God a sinner – I ask how and why? R" Because making such a command may transgress His own laws. - WHAT?So I have asked you where exactly does GOD command Joshua to commit genocide ?Already answered more than onceDave show me a Hebrew text where GOD commands Israel to "ratsach"H7523 people These are the only two verses that use ratsach and elohiym or Lord. None speak of GOD commanding Israel to do murder (wounding) people Word game to avoid the precept – be serious Deu 20:16 However, only from the cities of these peoples, which Adonai your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes live. Deu 20:17 You must utterly destroy them—the Hittites , the Amorites , the Canaanites , the Perizzites , the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as Adonai your God has commanded you. So I have asked you where exactly does GOD command Joshua to commit genocide?Must have the Hebrew words I mentioned in previous post. you must not let anything that breathes livePlease explain to me what this phrase means – no one left alive Play your word games if you choose – but you are just wasting your timeD" INCORRECT – you just argued that a fetus or a young child killed in war has no chance Some people your God allows 120 years – some He only allows 10 years – some least than 1 year But then you say - My understanding God must allow all people time to seek salvation R" How much time is required to accept the gift of salvation, and make fruits of that salvation gift? Some plants make fruits in as little as 3 weeks, from seed to seed. A thief on the Cross makes fruit in about 7 seconds.And some men get 120 years to experience these 7 seconds of yours Some only get 2 years – others are unbornYet scripture says 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some consider slowness. Rather, He is being patient toward you—not wanting anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance. Babies will be raised, I feel in heaven, to grow up, in a perfect world of bliss, based on their parents love, and how God reads the babies DNA, with its potential aven inside.BUT – the Son that says at home is not rewarded he same as the Prodigal SonYou really have a fair God of LoveD" Double speak – why can’t you present a consistent theology God cannot wound – impossible – it violates the royal law – but God can kill you if he chooses R" I have not read anywhere where God kills anybody, Then you should read your scripturewww.vocativ.com/news/309748/all-the-people-god-kills-in-the-bible/index.htmlAll The People God Kills In The Bible - Three million is low-balling itLev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 5:14:11 GMT -5
Then you should read your scripture www.vocativ.com/news/309748/all-the-people-god-kills-in-the-bible/index.html All The People God Kills In The Bible - Three million is low-balling itI have read Scripture Dave, it says GOD is love. No texts from the OT, WHY is that? Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee [is] mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. {rest: Heb. be silent} Eph 2:4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1Jo 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Why doesn't the OT tell us GOD is love? Any being that wounds (royal torah law 6) cannot be loving. This is called a sin. Therefore GOD cannot wound any person and be loving. You have to look at the OT for some other answers. For example Today my fellow gardener and I are both working as gardeners. I take my turn to hedge the hedges, and being the oldest most experienced hedger, I am looked up by my Boss, and he gives me other gardeners for me to train them in gardening. So I have trained my fellow gardener, to some extent, but I also notice He is not of the same attitude to gardening as I am. SO when he hedges the hedges, I notice the hedges are softer, less square and more fuffy. Still, I muse to myself, its a job of hedging that is done, maybe not to my standard, but to him, its OK, and he asks me every day, how is that? And I reply, it's great, or it's OK. Is it great or OK? No really. In time the softer hedge will grow more, as we hedge the hedges in turn about 6 weeks later, so they have plenty of time to grow wild and full. If he was to cut them more sharply as I do, they would retain the space they have in the 6 weeks of time, and not grow out of hand. But I noted, that my own will is compromised because I have compassion for my fellow gardener, its not necessary for him to undo his poor attitude just yet. He's not ready yet, perhaps never will, so He's work ethics is all I have, and I work with him as best as he is able. I come to learn this is exactly how God dealt with Israel in the OT, and did a better job in dealing with Israel in the NT, and why the two dealings of love seem different. This example came to me, from GOD I feel, is an object lesson for me. God does not deal with us in a projected state of perfection, He deals with us at the level we understand. So even if the hedging done at times is wrong from my view, does not mean I am OK with it, my will can adopt for others who are less attitude than me. This I see how GOD loves, and at the same time seems as though he is comfortable with allowing others under GOD to murder others, in the Name of GOD. What seems on the surface may not be as it seems. Just like my hedging done by hedgers, may not be my ultimate will, nevertheless I must show love and compassion for my fellow man. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 10, 2021 3:46:42 GMT -5
I have read Scripture Dave, it says GOD is love. That my friend makes GOD into a wounder, a murderer, and therefore a SINNER, breaking His own laws of love.
No texts from the OT, WHY is that?Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Why does the OT tell us GOD is love?Because He is - DUHAnd sometimes he causes harm / killsLev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD. Any being that wounds (royal torah law 6) cannot be loving. This is called a sin. Therefore GOD cannot wound any person and be loving. The dilemma of Feel Goodism – If God is love – then why does He allows so much ra in the world – is He not there – is he weak and ineffective – or does he not care The legacy of Roman Christendom = DOUBTAND – why does sweet little Jimmy have to die? Jewish / Gnostic answer –easyGOD IS ABSOLUTECol 1:17 He exists before everything, and in Him all holds together. Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities (archon) . All was created through Him and for Him. Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness. I make shalom and create calamity. I, Adonai, do all these things. BECAUSE OF SINRom 5:12 So then, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, in the same way death spread to all men because all sinned. GOD ESTABLISHEDGen 3:15 I will put animosity between you and the woman—between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will crush his heel.” THIS IS THE GNOSTIC CONTESTAuthoritative Teaching - The Nag Hammadi LibraryAnd before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish. He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists. And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worlds WHO IS SATAN’s SEEDEph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers(archon), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SATAN’s SEEDCol 1:16 For by Him all things were created—in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, whether thrones or angelic powers or rulers or authorities (archon) . All was created through Him and for Him. Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. WHY THE CONTESTJer 17:10 I Adonai search the heart, I try the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds. Jer 20:12 But, O Jehovah of hosts, that triest the righteous, that seest the heart and the mind, … Deu 8:2 ... to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Pro 17:3 A crucible is for silver and a furnace is for gold, but Adonai tests the heart. Isa 48:10 Lo, I have refined thee, and not with silver, I have chosen thee in a furnace of affliction. Jas 1:2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. WHY DRAG OUT THE CONTEST2Pe 3:8 But don’t forget this one thing, loved ones, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some consider slowness. Rather, He is being patient toward you—not wanting anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance. DOES ANY MAN SURVIVE THE CONTEST – NORom 5:12 + 1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay. WHAT IS MAN’s ROLE/FUNCTIONJer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I set you apart—I appointed you prophet to the nations.” From God we come into this world – to fix this world – to witness God’s Glory to this world Who are we witnessing to = other souljourning men + archon of all types + angels + all the heavens = creationTHE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRISTThis was a public display of the afterlife – read this passage closely Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. This was a public display of the afterlife – many saints were resurrected - and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. You asked why did Jesus have to die1- to satisfy any and all prophesies from the ahl about the Messiah 2- so He could be RESURRECTED - a public display of the afterlifeNow that it is obvious – what is a man to do? Ignore the possibility and hope for the best – or recognize what is before you and act upon it MORTAL DEATHEcc 3:19 For the destiny of humankind and the destiny of animals are one and the same. As one dies, so dies the other. Both have the same breath—a human has no advantage over an animal—both are fleeting. Ecc 3:20 Both go to one place. Both were taken from the dust, and both return to the dust. YES – biology – has nothing to do with it = 1Co 15:50 Ecc 3:21 Who knows that the spirit of the sons of man ascends upward and the animal’s spirit descends into the earth? YES – from God we came and to God we will return Our soul is released as a spirit – which returns to the heavensLuk 23:46 And Yeshua, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I entrust My spirit.’” When He had said this, He breathed His last. ONCE IN HEAVEN – THEN WHATHeb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this judgment, Asclepius 21-29 - The Nag Hammadi LibraryThere is a great demon. The great God has appointed him to be overseer or judge over the souls of men. And God has placed him in the middle of the air, between earth and heaven. Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon. Immediately, he (the daimon) will surround this one (masc.), and he will examine him in regard to the character that he has developed in his life. And if he finds that he piously performed all of his actions for which he came into the world, this (daimon) will allow him ... (1 line missing) ... turn him [...]. But if he sees [...] in this one [...] he brought his life into evil deeds, he grasps him, as he flees upward, and throws him down, so that he is suspended between heaven and earth, and is punished with a great punishment. Upon death our spirit meets the prosecutor – who opposes all our unworthiness to be there PRORORTIONAL PUNISHMENTJer 17:10 I Adonai search the heart, I try the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds. 1Co 3:13 each man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is. The Apocryphon of John - The Nag Hammadi LibraryAnd I said, "Lord, those, however, who have not known to whom they belong, where will their souls be?" And he said to me, "In those, the despicable spirit has gained strength when they went astray. And he burdens the soul and draws it to the works of evil, and he casts it down into forgetfulness. And after it comes out of (the body), it is handed over to the authorities, who came into being through the archon, and they bind it with chains and cast it into prison, and consort with it until it is liberated from the forgetfulness and acquires knowledge. And if thus it becomes perfect, it is saved." SALVATION – DIVINE PARDONMat 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great! For in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” FIRST FRUITSRev 20:4 … I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. DOES JESUS GIVE ANY CLUES how to guarantee our Divine Pardon with the goal of being the First FruitsJoh 3:3 Jesus answered… Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. PENTECOST – BORN AGAINJoh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST BELIEF2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. The goal is not to be like the servant of Elisha - “… and it was not left to thee to see things afar off, but only near at hand; after the ability of the flesh; for it is brutish."The goal is to be like Elisha – In communion with the LordWHERE IS SATAN IN ALL OF THISThe great God has appointed him to be overseer or judge over the souls of men. And God has placed him in the middle of the air, between earth and heaven. Now when the soul comes forth from (the) body, it is necessary that it meet this daimon. Immediately, he (the daimon) will PROSECUTE man’s worthiness to be in heaven AND 1Ki 22:20 Then Adonai said, ‘Who will (volunteer) One suggested this and another that, 1Ki 22:21 until a certain spirit came forward and stood before Adonai and said,(I volunteer) ‘I will entice him.’ So Adonai asked him, ‘How?’ 1Ki 22:22 And he said: ‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit (a deceiving spirit = a satan) PONDERGen 1 – God makes man Gen 2 – God gave Adam a law to follow Gen 3.0 – God test man – but God never does it directly – he has a staff for that Adonai said, ‘Who will (volunteer) - a certain spirit - said,(I volunteer) - : ‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit (a deceiving spirit = a satan)Gen 3:1 But the serpent was shrewder than any animal of the field that Adonai Elohim made. So it said to the woman, REINCARNATIONMal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: The Apocryphon of John - The Nag Hammadi Library “… since the Spirit of life is in it.(Born Again) It is saved through him (Christ). It is not again cast into another flesh." And the idea of a God of LOVE and who is fairSome get 1 year – some get 20 years – some 70 years – and some get no chance Not theology – it is juts esoteric speculation – but it is one of the 5 opinions God’s reality is so much larger than 3D man can imagine Do some people live reincarnated lives – there is much evidence Why is this not a threat to Heb 9:27 – die – then the judgment – and sometimes that judgment = do-over Why – so all souls have an equal chance Maybe so all could have an equal experience Maybe one life I am a rapist (your favorite bad guy) – next life I am a Victum “… the sum of all chaos.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 4:29:11 GMT -5
So you see GOD as the "sum of all chaos" the Designer of all things good and bad in this world, to intentionally do both good and bad to humans, so their love for GOD is truly tested and tried.
That my friend is GOD as a dictator. No love in this GOD at all, no absolute rules that even GOD Himself follows. Just do as I say, or else.
You write much about the many aspects of GOD, how about describe the character of GOD? Your GOD has no rules he follows, lives in a flawed universe with natural ra, does moral ra when it suits GOD, and in fact has no universal moral laws He follows implicitly.
If GOD has no absolute moral laws, than GOD has no absolute physical laws either. Therefore your God is not logical.
You claim that GOD commended Joshua to do genocide to wicked nations? How can that be if the next verse they were not to marry the women, or be lead astray by their gods? Some claim the Hebrew writings are language idioms, not meant to be literal meanings in words, and you say I play word games. Come on, at least I try to avoid slang and idioms in reading Hebrew, after all a warrior culture wrote them down.
Not a single OT verse uses "God and ratsach", so you cannot really prove anything definitely.
If the NT says GOD is love, than we must look for other answers. But your stronghold support for Gnostic writings will not let you do that.
I gave you an answer from my gardening experiences showing love, and you did not comment.
Polygamy is a RA affect, a daily sin, yet never condemned by GOD, even when Abram was blessed by GOD, does this mean GOD loves RA, and therefore GOD loves polygamy? NO absolutely not.
This is a classic example of humans doing something sinful, yet GOD blesses them despite their sinning. I see Israel killing people to get land, in the same category. The people were warriors, so warrior Christians they were, does not mean GOD liked them being warrior Christians. You have assumed this.
Even when GOD says He hardens Pharaoh, does not mean GOD is controlling the sinful behavior of Pharaoh. But sadly you assume this.
Bad people reap what they sow, and GOD allows their decision, hence controls their decision. Is there a Bible verse for this idea?
Pr 16:9 ¶ A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
The man (good or bad) plans his direction of the soul, and the LORD GOD directs the steps to achieve that. So who is in control? God is. Who directs my course of my soul? You do.
Man reaps what he sows.
But again you read the torah wrongly. Your idea suggests all humans are slaves.
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Post by Dave on Feb 10, 2021 16:52:47 GMT -5
So you see GOD as the "sum of all chaos" the Designer of all things good and bad in this world, to intentionally do both good and bad to humans, so their love for GOD is truly tested and tried.You are so comfortable mocking God – why do you make it a habitGod is the absolute Creator – and He created everything and creation = the sum of all tov and the sum of all ra (chaos) Your GOD has no rules he follows, lives in a flawed universe with natural ra, does moral ra when it suits GOD, and in fact has no universal moral laws He follows implicitly. Your GOD has no absolute moral laws, OH – now termites are morally sinning – I know that you are desperately trying to hang onto your failed SDA doctrine. You are beginning to make up almost anything in an attempt to make a point. You claim that GOD commended Joshua to do genocide to wicked nations? How can that be if the next verse they were not to marry the women, or be lead astray by their gods? Some claim the Hebrew writings are language idioms, not meant to be literal meanings in words, and you say I play word games. Come on, at least I try to avoid slang and idioms in reading Hebrew, after all a warrior culture wrote them down. TWIST SCRTIPTURE – what is your time line hereYou are beginning to make up almost anything in an attempt to make a point. YES – Israel was called / commanded to kill every last genetic imprint of the 7 tribes of Amorite 1Sa 15:3 Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” And until they were all eliminated – Israel was also told Jdg 2:2 Now as for you, you must make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land. You must break down their altars.’ But you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? Jdg 2:3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out from before you, but they will be thorns in your sides, and their gods will be a snare to you.’” Not a single OT verse uses "God and ratsach", so you cannot really prove anything definitely.If you do not like the term genocide – we could call it applesauce – or just stick to (kill everybody and everything - and “you must not let anything that breathes live”) Polygamy is a RA Deu 25:5 “If brothers dwell together and one of them dies and has no son, the dead man’s wife is not to be married outside to a stranger. Her husband’s brother is to go to her and take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law. Deu 25:6 Now the firstborn that she bears is to carry on the name of his dead brother, so that his name will not be blotted out of Israel. Jacob fathered the 12 tribes by 5 different women I am sorry you believe that the ahl is all sinful and nasty You have been watching too many late night creature feature horror shows
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 4:44:05 GMT -5
D: "Jacob fathered the 12 tribes by 5 different women I am sorry you believe that the ahl is all sinful and nasty
I am sure when we get to heaven, we can ask GOD or his angels for a good explanation of this apparent sin. As well as ask about the Scripture references to GOD asking Israel to kill all things breathing. I am sure there is a good explanation. Until than I reserve on the verses in the NT, that say GOD is love.
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Post by Dave on Feb 11, 2021 10:52:17 GMT -5
I reserve on the verses in the NT, that say GOD is love.I absolutely agree – God is love God has so much love that He let the Prodigal Son leave and enter the worldAdam and Eve entered a world in a balance between tov and ra called nature Adam and Eve entered a world inhabited by many self-driven creatures (yester ra) – cows, termites and archon God has so much love that He let Prodigal Man choose – witness for God – or waller in the world Man chooses world every time – all men are sinners – Sin is a man thing – not a God thing – God’s sin was to love enough to let man choose SIN entered the world through MAN What does God’s Royal Law say the punishment / consequence is for sin Rom 6:23 For sin’s payment is death,WHY DO YOU INSIST THAT GOD’s ROYAL LAW MAKES GOD A SINNER Rom 6:23 For sin’s payment is death – therefore your God is a sinner God loved Prodigal Man so much He allowed them to sin in the Garden Sin entered the world through MAN – does this make God a sinner – no man is Did God force man to sleep with the bane elohiym archon – no Those women choose to – Man is the one choosing sin Gen 6:7 So Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the face of the ground, from humankind to livestock, crawling things and the flying creatures of the sky, because I regret that I made them.” To believe God a sinner because He caused the Flood of Noah - Is just ridicules It is righteous judgment prior to a contest resetAfter the Flood – man took the battel back to the archon Gen 11:6 Adonai said, “Look, the people are one and all of them have the same language. So this is what they have begun to do. Now, nothing they plan to do will be impossible. WOW – what a compliment by God about manImagine the pleasure pride of the father (the God of Love) in His creation man So what did He doGen 11:7 Come! Let Us go down and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand each other’s language.” Why does your God of Love do this? Your satan is not even mentioned here – this is about Nimrod, Ishtar, and Tammuz God caused the harm here - deliberatelyWhy does your God of Love do this? – isn’t this raTo facilitate His Will upon the earth for a greater tov later1Sa 15:3 Now go and strike down Amalek and put all he has under the ban of destruction—so have no pity on him; but kill both men and women, children and nursing infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” Deu 20:16 However, only from the cities of these peoples, which Adonai your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes live. Deu 20:17 You must utterly destroy them To believe God a sinner because He called for genocide of the Amorite - Is just ridicules Why does your God of Love do this? – isn’t this ra To facilitate His Will upon the earth for a greater tov laterMat 24:21 For then there will be great trouble, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Mat 24:22 And unless those days were cut short, no one would be delivered. But for the sake of the chosen, those days will be cut short. To believe God is a sinner because he allows man to choose ra is ridicules God’s love is the force that allows man the free will to chooseMan causes the trouble on earth – God doesn’t and your satan doesn’t – man needs no helpMat 24:7 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines Man causes the trouble on earth – God doesn’t and your satan doesn’t – man needs no helpWars, famines, and plagues are not the hand of your satan This natural ra – is a bi-product / inherent to a species that overpopulates its closed environment is a bi-product / inherent to a species that – grows beyond the carrying capacity of its closed ecosystemMan has changed this into this Man causes the trouble on earth – God doesn’t and your satan doesn’t – man needs no helpRev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are too, But to believe God is a sinner because He cast the Beast, Devil, and False prophets into the Lake of FireIs just ridicules Why does your God of Love do this? – isn’t this raTo facilitate His Will upon the earth for a greater tov laterIsn’t the idea to purge God’s creation of the ra – to cleanse creation for the New Heaven and Earth Why does this make your God of love a sinner in your doctrine?Why does your God of Love do this? – isn’t this raTo facilitate His Will upon the earth for a greater tov later
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 19:38:09 GMT -5
D" To believe God a sinner because He caused the Flood of Noah - Is just ridicules It is righteous judgment prior to a contest resetR yes If GOD is living, and all living relies on GOD, than GOD can end living with you to Him. This is not wounding you, after all you decide to end your relationship to GOD, and GOD sadly with tears ends relationship with you while you sin. People think that by sinning they do not need GOD. Pardon, sinning still involves GOD to keep you living. So GOD can end living if GOD chooses to end it with you. This is NOT wounding you, as you claim. No wounding refers to not allowing you time to seek GOD before your time is up. To a wicked human this means murder. To GOD it means when His compassion and mercy for you as a sinner runs out. Love has both softer and harder elements to it. God is not going to allow you to remain with Him and still be sinning. D" To believe God a sinner because He called for genocide of the Amorite - Is just ridicules Why does your God of Love do this? – isn’t this ra To facilitate His Will upon the earth for a greater tov laterR: " I can accept this idea. The Amorite time was full, no mercy was left. So GOD could end their living. as no further saints could be saved from that lineage. D" Man causes the trouble on earth – God doesn’t and your satan doesn’t – man needs no helpR You mis-reaad Scripture Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were "ruled" sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be "ruled" righteous. We all choose a ruler over us. D" Wars, famines, and plagues are not the hand of your satanR: "Really? Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were "ruled" sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be "ruled" righteous. We all choose a ruler over us. We never agree over kathestemi did we? It's the Hebrew word Ge 42:6 And Joseph <Yowceph> was the governor <shalliyt> over the land Shalliyt means to rule. Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were " Shalliyt" sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be " Shalliyt" righteous. We all choose a ruler over us. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 14, 2021 12:09:31 GMT -5
D"Wars, famines, and plagues are not the hand of your satan R: "Really?Here is the obvious that all you Conspiracy guys fail to seeHumanity is in its decline phase – we have outgrown the carrying capacity of the planet The growing of our food – the energy we generate - the trash we produce – the homes we live in – have all become toxic to our health The only way man can possible feed our growing population – is to press the boundaries of nature The only way we can produce the energy we are addicted to - is to press the boundaries of nature Man is the only animal that produces trash – non-biodegradable trash – poisonous trash – toxic trash These facts have been presented in open forum at the UN as far back as 1993 same graph as above The quarrel over the remaining diminishing resources – is a bi-product of overpopulationDon’t you live in Australia? Don’t you understand what is happening in the South China Sea? Why is China grabbing those waters – why is China sending fishing boats as far away as Argentina - why are Chinese fishing boats pushing the boundaries AND – why now? There is a one word answer for all of this – the system does not want you to know the truth – so no one discusses it - and for the masses it disappears from view You blame the world on a conspiracy – and do not see the one on your own doorstep There is a one word answer for all of China’s nine-dash line Most American’s don’t know – the world all knows why – but because they are reminded – most American’s don’t know The news in America – want us to believe it is about control of shipping – China’s access to the Blue Water The choke point for China’s shipping is the Molokain Straits (sp) far removed from the nine-dash-line Before all this South China Sea stuff – where did China fish- and why don’t they fish there anymore ANSWER = FUKUSHIMAMarch 2011 Fukushima released 100 times Chernobyl into the Pacific Remember all the news – all the leaking into the sea Remember all those water tanks of contaminated waters www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. It follows years of debate over how to dispose of the liquid, which includes water used to cool the power station hit by a massive tsunami in 2011.Oct 16, 2020 www.dw.com/en/fukushima-how-the-ocean-became-a-dumping-groundAlmost 1.2 million liters (320,000 gallons) of radioactive water from the Fukushima nuclear power plant is to be released into the ocean. ... And still today, radioactive substances can be detected off the coast of Japan and in other parts of the Pacific.Mar 11, 2020 Fukushima has been leaking into the pacific for 10 years Japan has so much contaminated waste – they are dumping it into the Pacific My family is not allowed to each fish from the PacificThe natural flow of water – the current is from the Indian Ocean via the Molokain Straits – then flows northward to Taiwan The South China Sea is upstream form Fukushima Put all this together – pollution – food quality – overpopulation + to and fro = Conditions are RIPE for – pandemics – and wars over resources – oil /fishing waters – wheat belt Put all this together + ‘and knowledge will increase’ + Gen 3:16 To the woman He said, “I will greatly increase your pain from conception to labor. In pain will you give birth to children. + man not wanting to watch his children die from disease + man wanting to live to the promised 120 years Results in medicine – vaccines – pressing the boundaries of nature Conditions are RIPEThis is man’s struggle against natureGen 3:17 Then to the man He said, “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and ate of the tree which I commanded you, saying, ‘You must not eat of it’: Cursed is the ground because of you—with pain will you eat of it all the days of your life. Gen 3:18 Thorns and thistles will sprout for you. You will eat the plants of the field, Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow will you eat food, until you return to the ground, It does not require a satan – it is not the will of satan Gen 1:28 God blessed them and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, fill the land, and conquer it. Rule over the fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the sky, and over every animal that crawls on the land.” - pressing the boundaries of nature Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were "ruled" sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be "ruled" righteous. We all choose a ruler over us. We never agree over kathestemi did we? It's the Hebrew word Ge 42:6 And Joseph <Yowceph> was the governor <shalliyt> over the land Shalliyt means to rule. Why not - H4910 - - מָשַׁל - A primitive root; to rule: - (have, make to have) dominion, governor, X indeed, reign, Gen 45:8 … a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt. Why not - H5387 - נָשִׂא - From H5375; properly an exalted one, that is, a king or sheik; also a rising mist: - captain, chief, cloud, governor, prince, ruler, Lev 4:22 When a ruler hath sinned, … Gen 42:6 And Joseph was the governor <shalliyt> over Gen 42:6 (LXX) Ιωσηφ δὲ ἦν ἄρχων Wait for it - Ιωσηφ (Joseph) δὲ (the) ἦν (be –past tense was) ἄρχων (archon) Archon – meaning governor – ruler of a territory – to have dominion over a domaine I could not agree more kathistemi - meaning to make one a Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many (were made – G2525) sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. G2525 – καθίστημι - kathistēmi - From G2596 and G2476; to place down (permanently), that is, (figuratively) to designate, constitute, convoy: - appoint, be, conduct, make, ordain, set. Were made – designated – appointed – ordained G2596 - - κατά - A primary particle; down (in place or time), and frequently denotes , distribution or intensity. G2476 - ἵστημι - A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively),: - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). G2525 – καθίστημι - Were made – designated – appointed – ordained Intensely established I say - Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many (were made –intensely established / ordained/ designated) sinners, You say - Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many are ruled by satan Then you use this verse to preach all men are possessed by satan who thinks for you – or makes your decisions for you – because you are ruled Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were "Shalliyt" sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be "Shalliyt" righteous. We all choose a ruler over us. Error in your word game
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 15:57:12 GMT -5
D"You say - Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many are ruled by satan Then you use this verse to preach all men are possessed by satan who thinks for you – or makes your decisions for you – because you are ruled
A reigner who reigns over his kingdom, does not require all his subjects free will all the time, in order to be a king over these .
For example, a global vaccine is coming, millions choose to take this vaccine, why? Because people trust science? Who rules science? You say 13 rich families, the elite. And who rules these ten kings of the earth? Satan does. Who can think of the first angel who sins becoming the provider of sins, as Jesus described Him the Father of Lies, and thus a sinner from the beginning.
Only Gnostic writings suggest archon was created by the HS on purpose . There is nothing in the torah where the HS ever creates without it's consort, and always functions as a medium or conduit for the Father or Son's flow of powerful words.
Yet this one error allows you to negate the word "satan" is a friendly angel doing a bad job for GOD. Thus there is no Great Controversy. And therefore no origin of SIN. And since their is no origin of SIN, except coming from GOD, since God designed the archons, you have no reason why Jesus had to die for SIN.
Since you have only ONE GOD, and see elohiym as a single power, how do you explain Exodus 7:1 than?
How can one elohiym power, make Moses into another elohiym power to Pharoah? These two beings are different, one is divine, the other human, one is the great uncased cause, the other of matter and mortal. Yet elohiym power decides to make Moses into elohiym power before Pharoah.
Obviously the Hebrew word elohiym cannot mean GOD, as humans assume it to be? Jeff suggests the word means "power", but being friendly to Jews is reluctant to attempt a English word meaning.
SO if WE can't get you to drop your Gnostic writings doctrines influence, there is nothing more WE can say to you. You have your Gnostic writings ruling over you, rather than the Hebrew torah ruling over you.
Le 4:22 ¶ When a ruler hath sinned, and done [somewhat] through ignorance [against] any of the commandments of the LORD his God [concerning things] which should not be done, and is guilty;
Nu 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.
1Sa 25:30 And it shall come to pass, when the LORD shall have done to my lord according to all the good that he hath spoken concerning thee, and shall have appointed thee ruler over Israel;
Ec 10:4 ¶ If the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences.
Ec 10:5 There is an evil [which] I have seen under the sun, as an error [which] proceedeth from the ruler: {from: Heb. from before}
Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. {lest: or, let not}
Da 2:10 The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore [there is] no king, lord, nor ruler, [that] asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.
Da 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold.
An idiom, meaning Babylonian was the ruler over all the known world at that time. a Kingdom of gold.
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting. {everlasting: Heb. the days of eternity}
This verse clearly say Jesus is to be a ruler over the earth, to those who choose Jesus as their King.
Lu 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Joh 3:1 ¶ There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
Here is a weird translation, Nicodemus is an archon. What does that mean? It means a ruler who ruled the Jews. Not as you claim some SELF creature designed differently by GOD to do RA, and live on earth...doesn't matter what I say...you disagree ... we both play word games... and you like your own word games....
Ac 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?
Ac 7:35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send [to be] a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
This Greek word "archon" is translated by KJV as "ruler". There are other examples of this too. In fact both kathestimi and archon are both translated as "rulers" by the KJV.
Ac 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
Ex 22:28 Thou shalt not revile <qalal> the gods <'elohiym>, nor curse <'arar> the ruler <nasiy'> of thy people <`am>
Paul quotes this verse in Acts. "Do not curse the chief rulers of thy people"
Explain these verses Dave, indeed we do have rulers over us all the time, maybe they don't rule when you eat, sleep and toilet, but they do rule your major behaviours. I have to work away from my land. I have to gain money. I have to waste my time working. I will have to get vaccinated. I will have to adopt national Sunday Law as the Sabbath rest. I have to drink and shower under fluoridated water. I have to use petrol with Xylene Cancer fuming agents in it. etc. Get my point. These polices rule over us, impact our religion to live as we wish. Yet we are told not to curse the Government rulings of our land. Normally I don't. Yet I must also live under the rulings of Jesus , and somethings conflict. There comes a time when we say, I must obey GOD rather than the rules of other rulers who rule us. That time is fast approaching.
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Post by Dave on Feb 15, 2021 2:53:35 GMT -5
D"You say - Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many are ruled by satan Then you use this verse to preach all men are possessed by satan who thinks for you – or makes your decisions for you – because you are ruled A reigner who reigns over his kingdom, does not require all his subjects free will all the time, in order to be a king over these . Correct – If I came to Australia –– I would be in Scot Morrison’s kingdomDoes this make me an automatic Liberal Party member? – NO Does it change my core values and principles – NO Can it – sure if I listen to the Morrison’s propaganda and come to agree with his thinking Man came into this world – the Kingdom of the archon – did the archon rule Eve – NO But she listened and eventually fell for the propaganda and chooses chata (sin) Yet this one error allows you to negate the word "satan" is a friendly angel doing a bad job for GOD. Just as you described – Nu 22:22 A messenger from elohiym was functioning as an opposer to BaalimYES – the opposer satan is a servant of the Lord performing a function Thus there is no Great Controversy. And therefore no origin of SIN. And since their is no origin of SIN, except coming from GOD, since God designed the archons, you have no reason why Jesus had to die for SIN. I have no idea why you deny scriptureRom 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of one man, many will be set right forever. Since you have only ONE GOD, and see elohiym as a single power, how do you explain Exodus 7:1 than?Jos 22:22 “God of gods is Adonai! God of gods is Adonai! Exo 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me. Exo 7:1 So Adonai said to Moses, “See, I have set you as God to Pharaoh So God (capital G) said to Moses you are set as a god (small g) Your word games cannot tell the difference? – shame on you Joh 3:1 ¶ There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: Here is a weird translation, Nicodemus is an archon. What does that mean? It means a ruler who ruled the Jews. Not as you claim some SELF creature designed differently by GOD to do RA, and live on earth...doesn't matter what I say...you disagree ... we both play word games... and you like your own word games.... BOOM – STOP IT – why do you refuse to take this discussion seriously It means a ruler who ruled the Jews. Not as you claim some SELF creature designed differently by GOD to do RA,I cannot believe you do not know the difference by now – yet you repeat this garbage over and over trying your best to put my words into a bad light Seriously - you cannot tell the difference between the Principalities of Paul and a Jewish Pharisee? Archon - creature designed differently by GOD to do RA, - is also not my position and have corrected you about this a million times – but because you are not a serious student – you just keep repeating your satan garbage This Greek word "archon" is translated by KJV as "ruler". There are other examples of this too. In fact both καθίστημι and archon are both translated as "rulers" by the KJV.Incorrect – archon is a ruler - - a governor – a prince of the principality Καθίστημι - G2525 – καθίστημι - Were made – designated – appointed – ordained - Intensely established Explain these verses Dave, indeed we do have rulers over us all the time, maybe they don't rule when you eat, sleep and toilet, but they do rule your major behaviours. So if you move to Iran – you become ruled by the Ali Khamenei Why do you think all your religious view and value change – how long do you wait to switch gods Are you so weak that you just change to fit any group you find yourself Are you so weak that the world dictates your values I have to work away from my land. I have to gain money. I have to waste my time working. I will have to get vaccinated. I will have to adopt national Sunday Law as the Sabbath rest. I have to drink and shower under fluoridated water. I have to use petrol with Xylene Cancer fuming agents in it. etc. Get my point. These polices rule over us, impact our religion to live as we wish.I have to – NO YOU DON’T you choose to - to live as we wishMat 19:21 Yeshua said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you own, and give to the poor; and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” Yet we are told not to curse the Government rulings of our land. Normally I don't. Yet I must also live under the rulings of Jesus , and somethings conflict. There comes a time when we say, I must obey GOD rather than the rules of other rulers who rule us. That time is fast approaching.INCORRECT – you have been making these choices all your life – daily And the choice is always the same – world or spirit I talk of the desire to become a Monk – 24/7 Nazarite But I am also a father – and that comes with obligations – worldly obligations that prevent me from selling everythingl and following Christ as a Nazarite – therefore I stay at home and live for the Lord
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 5:05:24 GMT -5
OK so the archons do not rule over us, even though man lives in it's kingdom.
If the archons don't rule over man, why did the archon tempt Eve to SIN?
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked .. according to the prince of the power of the air, ...(KJV)
Why does this verse say man walks according to the archons of the air? Sounds like archons rule over man?
Ro 8:38 For <gar> I am persuaded <peitho>, .. principalities <arche>, (not) be able to separate us from the love of God ...(KJV)
Why does this verse say man is separated from GOD, by archon influence? Sounds like archons rule over man?
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
Why does Jesus speak of the Jews possessed by this Devil, Satan, Arche, all Hebrew functional descriptors of the same angel that sinned long ago. Sounds like this sinning angel has an army of sinning angels who get humans to sin with them.
Jesus is saying quite plainly these Jews are children of the devil, satan, arche. And these Jews are opposing Jesus, wanting to stone Jesus to death.
Stumbled across some weird Greek words, dike and antidike
Mt 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Lu 12:58 When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison. Lu 18:3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. 1Pe 5:8 ¶ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (KJV)
Note sure if these link to Hebrew words, and which ones? What is the term "antidikos" all about? Is this a word meaning prosecutor?
SHalom
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Post by Dave on Feb 15, 2021 10:21:48 GMT -5
OK so the archons do not rule over us, even though man lives in it's kingdom. If the archons don't rule over man, why did the archon tempt Eve to SIN?
You are a Christian – but you move to Iran What are the chances that you will be exposed to Islam – and an Islamic culture = 100% Every person you meet thee has a Muslim witness for you If you are weak in your convictions – over time you may become drawn into their culture and religion
You are a Christian – but you move to archon land What are the chances that you are going to be drawn into self = 100% Every person you meet is a self-witness to you If you are weak in your convictions – over time you may become drawn into their culture and religion
What is the religion and culture of SELF If it feels good do it – if no one gets hurt, who cares about the rules Morality is not absolute – it is situational
Eve - entered archon land - listened - desired - then chose to disobey God placed Eve in archon land - the serpent talked and talked - Eve desired world (it looked yummy - I like - I want) Then she chose chata - all the archon did/does is make the world look yummy
I have to work away from my land. I have to gain money. I have to waste my time working. I will have to get vaccinated. I will have to adopt national Sunday Law as the Sabbath rest. I have to drink and shower under fluoridated water. I have to use petrol with Xylene Cancer fuming agents in it. etc. Get my point. These polices rule over us, impact our religion to live as we wish.
All of it for SELF – Jesus would be considered a homeless bum by todays standard No house (homeless) – no Job (dead beat) – lived by the kindness of others (freeloader)
Is it wrong to own a home and have a Job YES – if that Job or house requires your attention so that you have no time for God Is it wrong to be a football fan YES – if that sport requires your attention so that you have no time for God It is all about focus – upon the world – or God (yester tov or yester ra)
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked .. according to the prince of the power of the air, ...(KJV) Why does this verse say man walks according to the archons of the air? Sounds like archons rule over man? DUH – this is the kingdom of the archon – they are the prince (sar) here Just as Iran is the Kingdom of Islam – who is their prince = Allah
Ro 8:38 For <gar> I am persuaded <peitho>, .. principalities <arche>, (not) be able to separate us from the love of God ...(KJV) Why does this verse say man is separated from GOD, by archon influence? Sounds like archons rule over man? DUH - Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers (archie), against the powers, against the worldly forces of this darkness, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, Why does Jesus speak of the Jews possessed by this Devil, Satan, Arche, all Hebrew functional descriptors of the same angel that sinned long ago.
So if I come to Australia and buy into the Liberal Party’s propaganda and vote for Morrison – you consider me to be possessed by Morrison
All he does is talk is propaganda - I have to listen - I have to be persuaded that his propaganda is yummy - it is totally up to me if I choose - I like - I want
So if I become an astronomer – you believe I am possessed by Galileo I am an American – am I possessed by George Washington?
Sounds like this sinning angel has an army of sinning angels who get humans to sin with them. YES – many types – many forms – many avenues of attack – YES! Catholic demons, Islamic Jinn, Gnostic archon, King Solomon's shedim, Lillith, bane elohiym, Nephilim, Rephiem, aliens, UFOs, 'other gods' - many forms + human allies = 13 Families + Hollywood + governments
all the archon did/does is make the world look yummy - yester ra (SELF) says I like - I want
Jesus is saying quite plainly these Jews are children of the devil, satan, arche. SELF and worldly desire And these Jews are opposing Jesus, wanting to stone Jesus to death. – The message of Jesus was/is to deny self and follow me Luk 18:22 When Yeshua heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all, as much as you have, and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” It is not only the Jews that are addicted to worldly desires – all men are greedy sinners
Stumbled across some weird Greek words, dike and antidike Mt 5:25 , Lu 12:58, Lu 18:3, 1Pe 5:8 ¶ Be sober, be vigilant; because your (prosecutor) the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (KJV)
Note sure if these link to Hebrew words, and which ones? What is the term "antidikos" all about? Is this a word meaning prosecutor? ἀντίδικος - does not exist in the LXX - no help
Ha ha ha – LOL – LOL – giggle giggle G476 - ἀντίδικος - an opponent (in a lawsuit); specifically Satan (as the arch enemy): - adversary. Who is the - opponent (in a lawsuit) = the PROSECUTOR = satan
See what happens when you limit your study to scripture instead of doctrine
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