Post by Dave on Feb 7, 2020 17:35:01 GMT -5
Feb 7, 2020 15:43:07 GMT -5 @robertt said:
Your answer made me smile Dave.What is a cult – a group that values an individual person’s doctrine MORE than scriptural doctrine
Which midrash Jew on the Satan thing being a good angel doing a bad job do you follow, while Hebrew scripture says something else?
All Hebrew followers see you satan as a servant of the Lord
Jews – Messianic Jews – Gnostics – Gnostic Christians
Everyone saw it exactly the same until 350 AD when Rome changed the theology
I asked you to show me from scripture that you view is correct
All your "hoo har" over 49 verses verses 23, doesn't matter, I need only one verse, apart from Ezek and Isa, I have Rev 12. There was war in heaven?
If you want to discuss Ellen White prophecies, than raise your concerns. Do it in detail, with her quotes.
Ask and you didn’t answer – instead you responded with redundant questions
Seven Day Adventist – the 28 Fundamental Beliefs
The 28 Fundamental Beliefs are considered descriptive of the church’s official position, but they are not prescriptive for membership. Baptism by immersion is the criteria for membership, which is predicated on a public examination of candidates either before the entire congregation, a church board, or elders. The minister or elder can give the candidate one of two sets of baptismal vows, one consisting of 13 vows or one consisting of the following three questions:
1. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord, and do you desire to live your life in a saving relationship with him?
2. Do you accept the teachings of the Bible as expressed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and do you pledge by God’s grace to live your life in harmony with these teachings?
3. Do you desire to be baptized as a public expression of your belief in Jesus Christ, to be accepted into the fellowship of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and to support the church and its mission as a faithful steward by your personal influence, tithes and offerings, and a life of service?
The Sanctuary Doctrine is the most distinctive Adventist doctrine. Orthodox Christians commonly hold that Jesus, as our high priest, intercedes for us at God’s right hand (Heb 4:14-16; 6:20; 7:25). But SDAs also believe that Christ entered the “sanctuary in heaven” and after a “prophetic period of 2,300 days” (ending in 1844) he entered the second and last phase of his atoning ministry, a work of “blotting out” sin. As Kenneth R. Samples explains,
From his ascension until 1844, Jesus had been applying the forgiveness he purchased on the cross in the first compartment of the sanctuary, but in 1844, he entered the second compartment and began to investigate the lives of those who had received forgiveness to see if they were worthy of eternal life. Only those who passed this judgment could be assured of being translated at his coming. This doctrine gave rise to what later became known as the sinless perfection teaching (perfect commandment-keeping in order to find acceptance in the judgment). Following the investigative judgment, Christ would come out of the heavenly sanctuary and return to earth bringing to every man his reward, and ushering in the great and terrible day of the Lord. It is 1844, and the events described above, which mark the beginning of SDA.
7. The other unique belief of SDA is in the “prophetic” ministry of Ellen G. White (1827-1915). During her lifetime White produced more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books totaling some 25 million words. (SDAs claim, probably correctly, that White is the “most translated woman in literature.”) From the time she was 17 years old until she died 70 years later, she claimed to have had approximately 2,000 visions and dreams, ranging from less that a minute to four hours. The 27 Fundamental Beliefs states, “Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church.
Oh – I see – you think Israel’s return is not prophetic
You do not see prophesies like Ezk 38 or Ezk 47 relevant to today or Israel
You mock them for practicing their desire to observe Torah sacrifice
You mock that God promised them a third physical Temple – one where the water would flow out of its side and bring life back to the Dead Sea
As for your abomination that causes desolation, this happened when Rome pushed their standards into the temple in AD66, when the temple went up in flames.
Yes – I asked for specific verses that support the view that physical 1948 Israel plays no role in the End-of-DaysI even started a new thread asking if 1948 Isreal is prophetic.
Instead – you choose to defend Ellen White – yet you say you only follow scripture
Then stop!
I find it curious that after years in your church – you are still seeking salvation
Feel as if you must be perfect every day or God will turn His back on you
You must keep being saved over and over – every day
Ask and you didn’t answer – instead you responded with redundant questions
Dave: "SDA doctrine says – you cannot be baptized into the church unless you accept Ellen Whites infallibility and read scripture as she only teaches
This is not so.
This is not so.
Seven Day Adventist – the 28 Fundamental Beliefs
The 28 Fundamental Beliefs are considered descriptive of the church’s official position, but they are not prescriptive for membership. Baptism by immersion is the criteria for membership, which is predicated on a public examination of candidates either before the entire congregation, a church board, or elders. The minister or elder can give the candidate one of two sets of baptismal vows, one consisting of 13 vows or one consisting of the following three questions:
1. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and Lord, and do you desire to live your life in a saving relationship with him?
2. Do you accept the teachings of the Bible as expressed in the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and do you pledge by God’s grace to live your life in harmony with these teachings?
3. Do you desire to be baptized as a public expression of your belief in Jesus Christ, to be accepted into the fellowship of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and to support the church and its mission as a faithful steward by your personal influence, tithes and offerings, and a life of service?
The Sanctuary Doctrine is the most distinctive Adventist doctrine. Orthodox Christians commonly hold that Jesus, as our high priest, intercedes for us at God’s right hand (Heb 4:14-16; 6:20; 7:25). But SDAs also believe that Christ entered the “sanctuary in heaven” and after a “prophetic period of 2,300 days” (ending in 1844) he entered the second and last phase of his atoning ministry, a work of “blotting out” sin. As Kenneth R. Samples explains,
From his ascension until 1844, Jesus had been applying the forgiveness he purchased on the cross in the first compartment of the sanctuary, but in 1844, he entered the second compartment and began to investigate the lives of those who had received forgiveness to see if they were worthy of eternal life. Only those who passed this judgment could be assured of being translated at his coming. This doctrine gave rise to what later became known as the sinless perfection teaching (perfect commandment-keeping in order to find acceptance in the judgment). Following the investigative judgment, Christ would come out of the heavenly sanctuary and return to earth bringing to every man his reward, and ushering in the great and terrible day of the Lord. It is 1844, and the events described above, which mark the beginning of SDA.
7. The other unique belief of SDA is in the “prophetic” ministry of Ellen G. White (1827-1915). During her lifetime White produced more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books totaling some 25 million words. (SDAs claim, probably correctly, that White is the “most translated woman in literature.”) From the time she was 17 years old until she died 70 years later, she claimed to have had approximately 2,000 visions and dreams, ranging from less that a minute to four hours. The 27 Fundamental Beliefs states, “Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church.
Also I do not mock Jews. I only uphold the Hebrew Bible as it reads.
Oh – I see – you think Israel’s return is not prophetic
You do not see prophesies like Ezk 38 or Ezk 47 relevant to today or Israel
You mock them for practicing their desire to observe Torah sacrifice
You mock that God promised them a third physical Temple – one where the water would flow out of its side and bring life back to the Dead Sea
Feb 3, 2020 12:03:19 GMT -5 @robertt said:
As for your abomination that causes desolation, this happened when Rome pushed their standards into the temple in AD66, when the temple went up in flames.
Dave: "No effort to show us how these prophesies support you view
Really? DO you really want Scripture for these? Why I showed you Scripture at length over "satan" as an "opponent" so how is Scripture going to sway you?
Really? DO you really want Scripture for these? Why I showed you Scripture at length over "satan" as an "opponent" so how is Scripture going to sway you?
Yes – I asked for specific verses that support the view that physical 1948 Israel plays no role in the End-of-DaysI even started a new thread asking if 1948 Isreal is prophetic.
Instead – you choose to defend Ellen White – yet you say you only follow scripture
It would be a better use of our time to discuss how to get more faith, learn to walk in the Holy Spirit, than to get bogged down in cult like views.
Then stop!
I find it curious that after years in your church – you are still seeking salvation
Feel as if you must be perfect every day or God will turn His back on you
You must keep being saved over and over – every day
