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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2019 17:53:50 GMT -5
Your writing Dave is very different to mine, yet it is always interesting and not much different from my own. Sorry for the long windy reply, like you Dave, I love writing too, rather than speaking. Windy? When your at a local church bible study - most of them all have the same back story that supports their arguments - the same 'cosmology' When making observations - that are out side that cosmology - many times require first the back story to support my point. WritingVerbal studies are very limited The same conversation are re-hashed over and over Writing documents opinions and points. It is interesting to see how my own though process have grown over time Already you have said - explain yourself - and the conversation grew, instead of just being rehashed Sorry for the long windy replyWhat has transpired between us - has been more beneficial to me than months of Sunday Church We have been involved in FELLOWSHIPMy nose has been in my books, my mind has been on the Lord
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2019 18:05:28 GMT -5
Biologist needs to understand the DNA is a computer code, and they need to start looking for the code apart from building proteins. The what if code, the decision code, trillions of decision code for where the roads in the cells are placed, where to dump the proteins and when to stop, and code for making decisions. It must be there, in the other 96% of DNA code they haven't studied yet. Were are only aware of a very small percentage of our own reality and we are biologically challenged to understand it. No matter what knowledge we accumulate through life, we are still that animal our genetic material encoded. Where does instinct come form? How about the desire to reproduce and survive? Are they not evidence of a genetic memory? Does not our genome encode these trait to us? Look at the some of the many conclusions reached by the Minnesota Twin Family Study, 'Co-twins seem to have about as good a chance of being similar to their co-twin, in terms of personality, interest and attitudes, regardless if they were raised together or apart. This leads us to believe that the similarities between twins are due to genetic relationship, not environment' (www.psych.umn.edu/psylabs/mtfs/special.htm.) Doesn't this indicate that we, as a species, are a programmable commodity and our DNA is the program. Whether it is the end result of natural selection, or direct intervention, could there be a genetic imprint that prevents us from seeing the obvious? Call it what ever you want, it does seem that we are biologically challenged to see things as they really are. ... Just recently, scientist have claimed to have mapped the human genome, yet they call 96% of our DNA structure as useless Junk DNA. Sounds a little Arrogant to me, but correlates well with the revelation that we are only aware of 4% of our own reality. I Ponder if these are the same scientist, that have told us all from early childhood that we only use 10% of our brain anyway. (The Psychology of Understanding)
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Post by Richard on Sept 8, 2019 22:20:25 GMT -5
We have been involved in FELLOWSHIPMy nose has been in my books, my mind has been on the Lord Grown men sitting around talking about The Holy Spirit On Sunday, everyone expects you to be an expert. Once you try and make a point, someone has a counter verse to argue. Teaching and leading has become a struggle; even with the people that voluntarily participate. Public educational indoctrination has more power over the public than the Word of God. I agree that the Church has not kept pace with the scientific debate. Silence and non participation has left the church at a disadvantage
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Post by Robert T on Sept 9, 2019 13:19:02 GMT -5
These other books are interesting.
The Gospel of Thomas
"(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?" He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."
Since the behavioural change (physical circumcision) is NOT inherited via epi-genetics, thus physical circumcision has no benefit. However the character qualities associated with spiritual circumcision of the heart is inherited via epigenetics, and thus completely profitable for your future children.
That's a powerful statement in Thomas.
The Gospel of Philip
"Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit.
This is correctly said as well. Why is it that so called Christians can't understand these mysteries?
Is there anything in these other books that goes against the tradition torah (OT and NT) of YHWH-Jesus?
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Post by Robert T on Sept 9, 2019 13:43:34 GMT -5
Here is a blog of someone writing about Gnostic literature
What you seek after (is) within you. ~The Dialogue of the Savior
Beware that no one lead you astray, saying ‘Lo here!’ or ‘Lo there!’ For the Son of Man is within you. Follow after him! Those who seek him will find him. ~The Gospel of Mary
Note the common words “within you”. They may sound innocent enough but they’re really quite radical. After all, if what we seek after is inside us, it cuts out the need for a middleman to reach God. Which may explain why in the early church and even today the Gnostic Gospels are considered religious texts non grata.
Rob T" Thus the Catholic Church banned these books and burned them to near extinction to stop laypeople reading salvation on their own. It this possible ? Yes
Isa 29:11 Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
What is this wonder of GOD?
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
That the words of the Scripture shall come alive within you. The blind see, the deaf hear...
Isa 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
Where does meekness come from? Reading Scripture correctly.
Isa 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. (KJV)
So in the OT torah, the Gnostic teachings are firmly there on this topic.
The Kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of you. ~Gospel of Thomas
Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest. ~Gospel of Thomas
His disciples said, “When will the Kingdom come?” It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying here it is or there it is. Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth and men do not see it. ~Gospel of Thomas
As you can see, many of the ideas in the Gnostic Gospels run counter to mainstream Christian beliefs. Yet, they give me a greater appreciation for Christianity and Jesus than I can find in any church or read in any traditional version of the Bible. For me at least, they teach in a way that resonates like few Bible passages do, with universal lessons echoed by the Bhagavad Gita and Ralph Waldo Emerson.
If this is all the differences in Gnostic teachings, why don't people embrace them more?
Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2019 16:45:38 GMT -5
What you seek after (is) within you. ~The Dialogue of the Savior Beware that no one lead you astray, saying ‘Lo here!’ or ‘Lo there!’ For the Son of Man is within you. Follow after him! Those who seek him will find him. ~The Gospel of Mary Note the common words “within you”. They may sound innocent enough but they’re really quite radical. After all, if what we seek after is inside us, it cuts out the need for a middleman to reach God. Which may explain why in the early church and even today the Gnostic Gospels are considered religious texts non grata. Rob T" Thus the Catholic Church banned these books and burned them to near extinction to stop laypeople reading salvation on their own. It this possible ? Yes ... As you can see, many of the ideas in the Gnostic Gospels run counter to mainstream Christian beliefs. Yet, they give me a greater appreciation for Christianity and Jesus than I can find in any church or read in any traditional version of the Bible. F If this is all the differences in Gnostic teachings, why don't people embrace them more? Cutting out the middle 'human' - church and therefore loss of public control Doing it on your own? - better said - finding Christ on your own Greater appreciation! - agree - why? - because a lot of it blends well with not only what I feel is correct but suspect is correct -and it does not conflict with modern physics or biology Why don't more people embrace them? - if read the bulk of them, you would soon find a lot of bunk. Documents drafted by Peter and John are grouped together with Plato's Republic and worse My copy of the Nag Hammdi -is full of read ink and question marks Example - The Dialogue of the Savior - is missing every other word for pages Yet - within are some of the things I have shared with you? Crazy Gnostic ideas that scare people The Holy Spirit is female - she has a name The Barbelo - is the helper angel that helped in creation Yet - the phrase - let us = someones helping someone Enoch detail different angel being assigned different celestial duties - tending orbits and stars The Holy Spirit created the Chief Archon, Yet - church will not admit that God created evil - God is Good Gnostic's think their is an opposition force, deliberately created, to TEST creation Any mention of this side of the theology - is edited and called Gnostic Gnostic Text and Enoch - leave open the idea of re-incarnation They also share a 10 dimensional heaven structure These text talk about of a lot of archons with many names Gnostic text also talk of once you have the 'in-dwelling' of the Spirit - you too can become a Christ
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2019 16:56:13 GMT -5
Wonder why Rome never canonized this The Apocalypse (Revelation) of Peter Written and lost - long before the history of the Holy Roman Church was written "For many will accept our teaching in the beginning. And they will turn from them again by the will of the Father of their error, because they have done what he wanted. And he will reveal them in his judgment, i.e., the servants of the Word. But those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception. And the guileless, good, pure one they push to the worker of death, and to the kingdom of those who praise Christ in a restoration. And they praise the men of the propagation of falsehood, those who will come after you. And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error, and into the hand of an evil, cunning man and a manifold dogma, and they will be ruled without law."
"For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other. Some will be named: (those) who stand in (the) strength of the archons,of a man and a naked woman who is manifold and subject to much suffering. And those who say these things will ask about dreams. And if they say that a dream came from a demon worthy of their error, then they shall be given perdition instead of incorruption."
"For evil cannot produce good fruit. ...
"And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals."
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2019 17:03:36 GMT -5
So in the OT torah, the Gnostic teachings are firmly there on this topic. Do you know how to calculate the mean and standard deviation of a data set? Mix it all up and measure it equally - out of the data there will be a central mean - and some data doesn't fit and are outliers from the mean - these outliers form a range of non-fitting data Mix scripture up and measure it equally - without bias A central theme emerges - as well as, outliers that do not
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2019 17:21:50 GMT -5
The Kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of you. ~Gospel of Thomas I use this verse as I discuss multidimensionalism Look at the Periodic Table In the 3 dimensional world -we have already discovered a 7 dimension reality Each energy level co-exist in the exact same location Each energy level independent - yet a full part of the whole Each level - just of a higher and higher energy level All co-existing in the exact same location of space.
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Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2019 12:09:02 GMT -5
Gnostic Barbelo and the Demurigi When speaking of the creation - Gnostic text include a lot of different terminology Rome say - God is the Creator and did it all by himself - there is no other creator, the idea on another Creator is blasphemy Yet, Christian text says - God said let us make man - in our image Gnostics say - the term us implies more than one Christians say - John 1 = The Word = Christ and all things were created through the Word So - Christians - did God do it or did Christ do it? Christians then reply = well it is a Trinity so God = Christ Remember Rome is Male-centric and so is their theology To me - To the Gnostics - this view is an abbreviated view This view leaves out 1/2 of the theology This view leave out all the Female and the Archon The Gnostic idea of creation God the Father - commissioned the work Then the Word (Christ) worked with the Great Barbelo and the Demuirgi to do the work For me - Barbelo (female) is just another name for the Holy Spirit (Sophia - Goddess of Wisdom) Demurigi - in ancient use - was a craftsman - an artisan So Rome will argue that Gnostic have many people involved in creation - PAGAN Remember - Gnostic literature is from many perspectives that have never been Romanized like we have. Gnostics text were written by different groups and movements - all written 'from' and 'to' a different audience / culture. The Creator - (Father Creator for lack of better pronoun) - commissioned Father has a duality of nature (just like we do - we in His image) The masculine side = Christ = who also has another name Ok with Rome = The Word The Rome cuts the Holy Spirit out as if it (She) had nothing what so ever to do with it Gnostics add this feminine role in creation - the role and function of the Holy Spirit Gnostics give her a name - Sophia - they give Her a sex Her Role / Function You say - Provider Sustainer - got to have both I say - The 1s Dimension expressed through the 2nd = the 3rd - got to have both Multiple names - 'A Rose by any other name =?' My stupid paraphraseThe King of the Multiverse had twins One Boy - named Christ, but He is also known throughout the kingdom as The Son of God, some also know Him as The Word One Girl - named Sophia (or anything you want it to be), who is also known as the Holy Spirit The King said - let US create - and in concert they became creation A Trinity of form - but a duality of expression - male matter and female spirit Story - INTERUPTED - Rome tried to stamp out this side of the story - tried erase and mention of the feminine contribution. And Roman Christendom has taught only a male-centric version of the story for 2000 yrs. Today - as we try to re-explore the feminine - we find very little literature directly to the source. We have Gnostic literature which is a composite of a lot of loose ends from different cultures using different vocabularies. The Goddess Sophia, The Goddess of Wisdom, is discussed as the boss, the FOREMAN and the Superintendent, The Barbelo, She educated, she instructed, she was the architect that designed and directed construction. Then there is the Demurigi - which is a Helper angle (Elohiym) - the artisan, the craftsman If I was in any Trinity Bible Study If I used the expression that the Father was both the designer and craftsman or if I said He was both the artist and artisan I would be considered a deep thinker But if Gnostic literature says it - its not allowable and I am no longer welcome in the Roman circle
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Post by Robert T on Sept 10, 2019 13:10:10 GMT -5
Really good writing Dave, so you pick and choose which Gnostic verses that fit Scripture, from the "mixing of good and bad". I can relate to that.
Dave Quotes:" The Holy Spirit created the Chief Archon, Yet - church will not admit that God created evil - God is Good Gnostic's think their is an opposition force, deliberately created, to TEST creation
Where does Gnostic verses speak of this? The Divine Family engineers both function and dysfunction, (not good and evil) these labels have moral implications in their meaning, whereas as Jeff Benner says "function and dysfunction" is more like it, and it's opposite. As an engineer creates a functional design, with also the ability to run less functionally.
Scripture doesn't say why Archon sinned...
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
The word "anointed" 4473, Jeff translates as "smeared", the pictographs read "The flowing flows pressed outside" . The Hebrew word for "angel" or "cherub" 3742, Jeff does not have in his lexicon, "KRWB" ? "The palmed Head secured (at) Home" is a picture of a messenger (ie palms) who carries the Head Messages of the Divine Family from their heavenly Home. So the chief KaRuB was especially privileged to carry the "flowing flow pressed outside" of the heavenly home. And to walk among the "stones of fire". I tend to see the "stones of fire" as the physical laws of GOD. What do you see these as?
GOD has a simple but thorough law defining love as "Stones of Fire", not the same wording as the Ten Principles of Love, as the letters have Egyptian language and were translated for Israel coming our of Egypt at the time. I also tend to see such physical code embedded inside our DNA too.
Your influence is a good one, today I was thinking, and God impressed me. Your idea that we think too much of Jesus Death is correct, think of His life is more important. Why Jesus died? The law says "if mischief happens, life for life" So it is an exchange of life for life. Not about death at all.
Life comes from relationship. Atoms + DNA code of laws + Divinity (spirit of GOD) = "Living Energy (nephesh)"
This is not pantheism because DNA encoded laws, drive the divinity with the selected matter to remain living. So the physical laws (moral laws are just physical laws too) drive the correct directions a living machine should go.
The very structure of the atom also has this arrangement,
Divinity + physical law -> matter
Thus the Spirit of GOD personally, is not in the rock, or the tree, but the relationship of the Spirit of GOD and Law is. Law is the information code that allows divinity to let things work more or less according to their code, without continuous directions and driving by divinity. Physical laws (quantum mechanics) is difficult to understand, but essential to cause matter to exist from nothing. As physical law increases in complexity the moral laws define it more simply as behavioural aspects of love in action. Love is expressed as provider love and responder love, the "maleness and femaleness kind" the "positive and negative" the "giver and receiver". Thus love is always relational.
If the "chief cherub" looked over all this code and read trillions of laws that are not expressed, he wondered why? Are we missing out something from the "stones of fire"? A higher plane of existence, perhaps?
Since love is relational, it's not strange it was relationship that caused Archon to finally sin, jealousy over Son-YHWH who went to meetings with Father-YHWH, no invitation for Archon to come. Archon is a creature. Elohiym is Divinity as Family. These kinds are very different. Creatures are composed of matter, time and space. Divinity is not made of matter, time of space.
So the elementary relationship got jealous over the divine relationship. Is this any difference today on earth?
"Lord he gets public miracles from you, without fasting, why do I have to fast and pray in order to get public miracles from you?"
What is this? Elementary relationship comparison. Are we allowed to do this? no.
The Lord of trees has over 300 different ways gum trees grow, all different. Yes trees have things in common, yet all Eucalyptus species within the same kind, do things differently. So do not worry why you are so small and he is so big, be happy with who you are and how GOD feeds you.
The tenth principle of love says "Desire Me" the negative doesn't convey love as good. When you "desire GOD" do not make comparisons, O woe is me, my loving is not as functional as the way he over there loves GOD... don't be like that...be happy as you are, as God loves you to be. Wow, is this possible?
I see Jesus creating man for jury duty, and this requires a test, yes. We are called to witness that the Father is Just, and that Chief Archon is wrong with His claims that the Father is unjust. This is why Law is so important, because Law is nonbiased and impartial. Law doesn't care which relationship wins. The Father's universe is founded upon Laws. One day we will be able to read these laws of String Quantum Mechanics and see how Love is defined by these terms, and how everything is founded upon such laws, we currently do not understand.
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Thanks for the opportunity to share Dave. God's blessing to you. Shalom
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Post by Robet T on Sept 10, 2019 13:34:32 GMT -5
You added more since my post Dave. Like what you wrote. It takes a long time to respond.
I would not reference the Shadday (Holy Spirit) as a "girl" and the "Son-YHWH" as a "boy", these pictures are of matter and earth and GOD is beyond them all.
The Shadday(HS) is involved in Creation? Yes. All three? Yes. Love requires the community generation of love.
Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? Ps 33:6 By the word of the SON-YHWH were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the RUWACH of his mouth. (KJV) Joh 1:3 All things were made SON-YHWH; and without SON-YHWH was not any thing made that was made.
Creation was spoken into existence by Son-YWHW, the words unpacked by the Shadday-Holy Spirit, who causes the power of the Father-YWHW to do as those words say.
So in an affect, LAW made the universe, because LAW is a powerful encoding construct, the words have power because the Father Son and Holy Spirit are behind the words of LAW. This is similar when we speak the WORD, in support of GOD, and the WORD unpacks it's power through us, to GOD's glory.
Anyone who says Jesus created things alone, imply that one can love on their own, this is a selfish perversion of love. Only in this evil world can we do things on our own. Self, selfish and self love only exist here on earth.
Jesus was always supporting His Father, as I say the provider/responder principle. Love requires a provider and a responder. Relationship created the heavens the earth, the Son only did the speaking of the words.
Funny we are labelled deep thinkers, and if it gets too hard, we become thrown out of church.
Ho 4:6 ¶ My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
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Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2019 14:02:28 GMT -5
Scripture doesn't say why Archon sinned... Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. A whole new Conversation - Christendom teaches that long before man - satan fell from grace Yet tells you and me that we cannot fall from grace? Christendom say this happened long before man - so Gen 3 can happen But Revelations say the fall of the Dragon happens in Rev 12 at the end of the story Gosticism teaches that as The Word was busy creating the extremes of the TOV = salvation The Holy Spirit created the mechanism to test creation - RA The savior at one extreme and the accuser at the other
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Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2019 14:33:29 GMT -5
Dave Quotes:" The Holy Spirit created the Chief Archon, Yet - church will not admit that God created evil - God is Good Gnostic's think their is an opposition force, deliberately created, to TEST creation Where does Gnostic verses speak of this? The Divine Family engineers both function and dysfunction, (not good and evil) these labels have moral implications in their meaning, whereas as Jeff Benner says "function and dysfunction" is more like it, and it's opposite. As an engineer creates a functional design, with also the ability to run less functionally. Scripture doesn't say why Archon sinned... The (First) Apocalypse of James It is the Lord who spoke with me: "See now the completion of my redemption. I have given you a sign of these things, James, my brother. For not without reason have I called you my brother, although you are not my brother materially. And I am not ignorant concerning you; so that when I give you a sign - know and hear."
"Nothing existed except Him-who-is. He is unnameable and ineffable. I myself am also unnameable, from Him-who-is, just as I have been given a number of names - two from Him-who-is. And I, I am before you. Since you have asked concerning femaleness, femaleness existed, but femaleness was not first. And it prepared for itself powers and gods. But it did not exist when I came forth, since I am an image of Him-who-is. But I have brought forth the image of him so that the sons of Him-who-is might know what things are theirs and what things are alien (to them).The Hypostasis of the ArchonsBecause of the reality of the authorities, inspired by the spirit of the father of truth, the great messenger referring to the authorities of the darkness told us that “our contest is not against flesh and blood, rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of wickedness.” I have sent you this because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.
Their chief is blind. Because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, “I am god; there is no other but me.”
When he said this, he sinned against all. This speech rose up to incorruptibility. Then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, “You are wrong, Samael,” that is, god of the blind.
His thoughts became blind. And having expelled his power—that is, the blasphemy he had spoken—he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. She established each of his offspring in conformity with its power, after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.
As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the waters, and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not lay hold of that image which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their weakness, since beings that merely have soul cannot lay hold of those that have spirit. For they were from below, while it was from above.... But I said, “Sir, teach me about these authorities. How did they come into being? By what genesis, and out of what material, and who created them and their power?”
The great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: “Incorruptibility inhabits limitless realms. Sophia, who is called Pistis,wanted to create something, alone, without her partner, and what she created was celestial.
“A veil exists between the world above and the realms below, and shadow came into being beneath the veil. That shadow became matter, and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created came to be in matter, like an aborted fetus. It assumed a shape molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it derived from matter.
“Opening his eyes he saw a vast quantity of endless matter, and he turned arrogant, saying, ‘I am god, and there is no one but me.’
“When he said this, he sinned against all. And a voice came from above the realm of absolute power, saying, ‘You are wrong, Samael,’ that is, god of the blind.
“And he said, ‘If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to me!’ Immediately Sophia pointed her finger and introduced light into matter, and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light. Once again darkness returned to matter.
“This ruler, by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an endless precinct. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created seven offspring, androgynous like their parent.
“And he said to his offspring, ‘I am the god of all.’On the Origin of the World And when these things had come to pass, then Pistis came and appeared over the matter of chaos, which had been expelled like an aborted fetus - since there was no spirit in it. For all of it (chaos) was limitless darkness and bottomless water. Now when Pistis saw what had resulted from her defect, she became disturbed. And the disturbance appeared, as a fearful product; it rushed to her in the chaos. She turned to it and blew into its face in the abyss, which is below all the heavens. And when Pistis Sophia desired to cause the thing that had no spirit to be formed into a likeness and to rule over matter and over all her forces, there appeared for the first time a ruler, out of the waters, lion-like in appearance, androgynous, having great authority within him, and ignorant of whence he had come into being. Now when Pistis Sophia saw him moving about in the depth of the waters, she said to him, "Child, pass through to here," whose equivalent is 'yalda baoth'. Since that day, there appeared the principle of verbal expression, which reached the gods and the angels and mankind. And what came into being as a result of verbal expression, the gods and the angels and mankind finished. Now as for the ruler Yaltabaoth, he is ignorant of the force of Pistis: he did not see her face, rather he saw in the water the likeness that spoke with him. And because of that voice, he called himself 'Yaldabaoth'. But 'Ariael' is what the perfect call him, for he was like a lion. Now when he had come to have authority over matter, Pistis Sophia withdrew up to her light.
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Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2019 15:03:11 GMT -5
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. So the chief KaRuB was especially privileged to carry the "flowing flow pressed outside" of the heavenly home. And to walk among the "stones of fire". I tend to see the "stones of fire" as the physical laws of GOD. What do you see these as? Wow - haven't thought of this in a while - but I have written a lot about the 'fiery stones' I took this same question to AHR - because I have an article by a Rabbi making the argument that these 'fiery stones' are built objects - created objects - manufactured objects Stars - the realm of the accuser (satan) is on the Earth and in the Earth (Job) and our physical reality outside of earth - space / stars / planets (Where did they go after the flood ejected 90% of them?) Sure adds a new dimension to the question of UFOs and inter-dimension visitors Gnostic literature suggest that the Archon inhabit the seven visible planets from earth Sure adds a new dimension to the question of UFOs and inter-dimension visitors Isaiah 14 - I used to see Lucifer there - all prideful - the satan but Isaiah calls him a man - and in verse 25 he is an Assyrian ahl - application Cyrus the Persian agl - application Allah / Mohammad the Assyrian Both - compared against the Chief Archon - The Dragon of Rev 12, Gnostic use of satan - which hardly appears in the text - because Greek and Coptic have a different verb for the accusor - Eph 6 calls them powers and principalities - Archon (authorities) satan is Hebrew verb - it can be any elohiym that God chooses to deliver a message or test I can be your satan - you can be mine
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