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Post by Dave on Sept 10, 2019 15:07:43 GMT -5
I would not reference the Shadday (Holy Spirit) as a "girl" and the "Son-YHWH" as a "boy", these pictures are of matter and earth and GOD is beyond them all. I said it was a STUPID paraphrase but hopefully you understood the point I was trying to make about - multiple names
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Post by Richard on Sept 10, 2019 17:39:42 GMT -5
I see Jesus creating man for jury duty, and this requires a test, yes. Judging from heaven after we become a part of the Bride
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Post by Richard on Sept 10, 2019 17:41:32 GMT -5
I would not reference the Shadday (Holy Spirit) as a "girl" and the "Son-YHWH" as a "boy", these pictures are of matter and earth and GOD is beyond them all. I said it was a STUPID paraphrase but hopefully you understood the point I was trying to make about - multiple names Once you say, male and female isn't boy and girl just semantics?
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Post by Robert T on Sept 11, 2019 12:39:28 GMT -5
Greetings Richard
Quote:" Once you say, male and female isn't boy and girl just semantics?
There is no reference to our heavenly Father as "gender male", nor Holy Spirit as "gender female".
Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (KJV)
These texts suggest the Father and Holy Spirit has the same properties of form.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God (is) a Spirit: and they that worship (him) must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Translating nouns side by side (construct state), aside. This seems to be saying the Father is made known via the Holy Spirit, and our worship of the Father is via the Holy Spirit using support.
There are however two Hebrew words for love:
Do we find examples of Jesus, showing femaleness-love ?
1. Song 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house,
• and his banner over me was femaleness-love .
2. Isa 63:9 In all their affliction
•he was afflicted , and the angel of his presence saved them: • in his femaleness-love (ahabah) and in his pity he redeemed them; • and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old .
3. Jer 31:3 The LORD YHWH hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea,
•I have maleness-loved thee with an everlasting femaleness-love : • therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
4. Ho 11:4 I drew them with cords of a man,
•with bands of femaleness-love (ahabah) : •and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws , • and I laid meat unto them
5. Joh 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him ,
• saying , Lord , behold , he whom thou femaleness-lovest is sick .
6. Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon , son of Jonas ,
•femaleness-lovest (ahabah) thou me ?
Do we find examples of the Father, showing femaleness-love?
1. Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man , what is good ;
• and what doth the LORD require of thee, •but to do justly , and to femaleness-love (ahabah) mercy , • and to walk humbly with thy God (Elohiym)?
2. Joh 5:20 For the Father femaleness-lovest (ahabah) the Son ,
•and sheweth him all things that himself doeth : • and he will shew him greater works than these , that ye may marvel
3. Joh 16:27 For the Father himself femaleness-loved (ahabah) you ,
•because ye have femaleness-loved (ahabah) me , •and have believed that I came out from God (Elohiym) .
Do we find examples of the Holy Spirit, showing femaleness-love?
1. Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted ,
•and the messenger (malak) of his presence saved them: •in his love (ahabah) and in his pity he redeemed them; • and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old
2. Pr 5:18 Let thy fountain be blessed:
• and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. • 19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; •let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; • and be thou ravished always with her femaleness-love.
3. Ge 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee;
• and by the Shadday, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, • blessings of the deep that lieth under, • blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Both forms of love exist in both human genders, it is just that gender males show more maleness love than femaleness-love. While gender females show more femaleness love than maleness love.
Since gender does not exist in heaven, nor in the heavenly Family of GOD...perhaps these two forms of love simply mean this :-
• ahab love provides • ahabuh love receives.
Whether GOD chooses to continue these earthly images of love as 'gender looking humans' who are redeemed, I do not know... I suspect GOD might, but we do not know, neither do have any evidence that GOD has personality differences in shapes that correspond as 'human gender personalities'. The scriptures do not directly and clearly say. The scriptures portray GOD in earthly pictures that are similes of the heavenly, BUT NOT exactly the same. GOD is beyond us as pictures of matter, time and space, as well as minds of thought. Shalom
Thus Richard, the two Hebrew words for love, suggest personality differences, each member within a kind has a different way of loving than the other member.
That is why I choose the label "maleness-love" rather than "gender male" or "boy" or a "man"; and the other picture is "femaleness-love" rather than "gender female" of "girl" or "woman".
Another reason is the Father and the Holy Spirit are beyond matter, time and space, and look more like light or energy, which is boundless as a picture. Whether they have human like shape to their desired quantum forms, I don't know. But personality differences expressing maleness-love and femaleness-love, the Scriptures do suggest this quite plainly and clearly, thus the Divine Family is best pictured as personality shapes of Love, as similes of personality shapes of love in human families on earth.
Hope this helps. Shalom
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 2:44:58 GMT -5
The Gospel of Philip
"Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit.
I am not sure I would say the blood of Jesus is the Holy Spirit?
Perhaps from the point of view of the breath of salvation, the Holy Spirit creates the character in us via Jesus, via the matrix of the womb of recreation, the seeds or words of Scripture is our food, the power of the Father via the Son, and the life or blood or force of living comes via the Father via the Holy Spirit.
Yet in a scripture not quoted by any, says why Jesus died:
Ex 21:22 If "Satan or Man" strive, and hurt a woman with child (the Holy Spirit is the "Divine Mother of Living"), so that her fruit depart from her (the care and development of Adam and Eve and their future children), 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This implies eternal life for eternal life. So blood is not just about the Holy Spirit, but about the eternal life from Jesus that was exchanged so we also could receive eternal life. What eternal sacrifice did Jesus exchange according to this law? Exchanging his unfallen flesh(adding humanity to divinity) for our fallen flesh, would be infinite and eternal as a sacrifice. Consider He laying down his eternal living for His friends. Wow. When you ponder the scars on his form, the ugly flesh will never be seen so lovely to behold. We sow tears of joy in this Lamb of God that took away our sin-offering.
So it is more than just blood as a simile of the Holy Spirit, it is also about living and powers of living, administrated by the Holy Spirit yes, but also about the exchange of life for our life, from Jesus.
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Post by Dave on Sept 14, 2019 10:57:42 GMT -5
Most people from a Christendom background find a lot of language within Gnostic literature as questionable.
Provider sustainer -
What is it that flows through the body - spirit and blood
Semantics - when any investigator looks into an event - he asks questions from 20 different witnesses and gets 20 different versions of the same event.
Rome picked and choose the 4 or 5 versions that support their cosmology / theology and dismissed the rest. For 2000 years Romanology has only presented those 4 or 5 versions of the story. Romenology went on to say - don't read any of the other versions - in fact those other versions are wrong / incorrect.
Now here we are - trying our best to escape Rome and cleave to the Lord - we must / I must always be vigilant as to my own Roman conditioning
Would I have used the same example as Phillip - ? Do I find error in his statement - No am I threatened by his statement - No Is his statement meant to diminish the Lord - No
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 15:34:28 GMT -5
Fair enough, well said
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