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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2018 15:02:53 GMT -5
I love it when science looks and feels scriptural Dr. David Berlinski Refutes Evolution in Under 5 Minutesyoutu.be/SOtGb8hKyWE
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Post by robert t on Sept 3, 2019 13:00:37 GMT -5
A great U Tube video. Genetic algorithms were first written by Dr Jon Sanford and the "Mendels Accountant" is a website simulating creative cells. You can add selection and mutation affects and watch after 200 generations the cells become extinct. Why ?
Because natural selection can't get rid of dysfunctional DNA changes fast enough, so the organism rusts itself to death.
Biologist needs to understand the DNA is a computer code, and they need to start looking for the code apart from building proteins. The what if code, the decision code, trillions of decision code for where the roads in the cells are placed, where to dump the proteins and when to stop, and code for making decisions. It must be there, in the other 96% of DNA code they haven't studied yet.
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Post by Dave on Sept 3, 2019 16:04:00 GMT -5
I invite you to read: ponderingconfusion.com/papers.php?id=incrementIn my - presentation of "Incremental Creation" I make the following argument I try to make the point that no evolution scientist today support Darwin They promote an 'Evolution theory' that has much evolved from Darwin Last 5 yrs of work - I helped develop and use genetics testing - in the clinical lab No geneticist are evolutionist! Even the fossil record indicates Species appeared - reproduced after its own kind - then dies out The other interesting thing with this model - is that during the first appearance of 'Homo Sapiens and the lineage of Adam" - there could have been as many as 8 other humanoid types co-existing along side Homo Sapiens until the Flood - when there was a bottle-necking of our own human DNA record Makes the pre-flood saga a lot more Enoch looking
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Post by robert t on Sept 5, 2019 3:56:31 GMT -5
Your article doesn't really say much about "Incremental Creation": means what exactly?
If your saying God engineered all the kinds of birds on day 5, and these several dozen kinds continued to multiple and add variety as they were programmed to do, to spread into different pockets of the earth and change. (Change and Natural Selection was originally a Creation science term) This increase in speciation over a number of years, rapidly is something built into the DNA of each kind.
God only created one pair of mankind on day 6. As a result of genetic manipulation and amalgamation by wicked man (they were smarter in those days than us today) they engineered man into various sub races, including perhaps giant forms? I don't know. Only recently has man today tinkered with DNA manipulation, but we are still crude at it.
God destroyed earth with a huge flood of debris for a reason, to cover over the huge amount of technology we are not allowed to see. Lucky for us science today refuses to go looking for advanced technology before the flood. So when you look at fossil record you only see a massive burial of animals living more or less where they once lived, under the sea, near a swamp or on a hill. Sediments does not indicate time. For example a huge flood of water carrying 1 kilometre of sediment would settled at the same time according to other factors, such as weight, density and earthquake shaking, etc. So imagine 200 layers laid in a single minute, where's the age in that. Mount St Helens is a good example of a minor deposition of a dozen layers in a single day. Science is always only as good as its assumptions. And the present is not a good indicator of the past.
Any frame of reference on earth to time, would more forward each day, so billions of years is terrible assumption. Atoms do not age anyway, they do nuclei reactions in ways we do not fully understand. Relative to different frame of reference in space, stars and their planets could look older.
As Psalm 131:1-2 says keep things simple, and do not get bogged down in things too hard to fathom. Shalom
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Post by Richard on Sept 5, 2019 12:02:55 GMT -5
God only created one pair of mankind on day 6. As a result of genetic manipulation and amalgamation by wicked man (they were smarter in those days than us today) they engineered man into various sub races, including perhaps giant forms? I don't know. Only recently has man today tinkered with DNA manipulation, but we are still crude at it. If creation didn't happen incrementally,then are you saying it happened all at once? If it happened all at once, then why did it take six days? Are you saying that Adam and Eve were first and they created the all the other humanoids that are not Homo Sapiens? They did this before Cain went off the marry the daughters of men?
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Post by robert t on Sept 5, 2019 13:45:16 GMT -5
Greetings Richard
If I was to call creation anything, I would call it "packaged for variations to survive in the DNA as kinds", and this is what Adown-YHWH-Jesus did for each kind of plant, animal. Human was different, as created in the image of the Divine Family, there might have been also variation designed in the human kind as well (height, skull shape, agility, etc).
Actually creation took seven days, the reason for "yom" being used is because GOD wanted to create a logic flow of time, and thus a "week of time" ending with "ceasing-day". This Hebrew word has a verb and noun form with the same spelling, hence the word forms have to have the same basic meaning, but different actions. The verb form means incomplete and the noun form means complete. Thus "shabath" verb form: means "ceasing" and "shabath" noun form: meaning "ceasing-day". You will notice GOD begins "Sabbath" after six days, but does not say "there was morning and evening a "Ceasing-day". Because to do so implies goes past the seven mornings and seven evenings. Otherwise we introduce another Sunday time (we say today Saturday night). So the creation of "time" was to "Create" "Ceasing Day" as well, and during Creation everybody, including scientists figure our biochemistry does NOT need time for ceasing. But our bodies are designed to "Cease".
Actually our bodies have DNA built in clocks, and requires ceasing time, including regular fasting from eating, as well.
Ge 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Scholars do not see that this verse is actually about Sabbath, a another thing created in Creation, the "week" as well as biological reasons to "Cease".
When Adam and Eve sinned, and YHWH atoned their missing with the death of an animal as a covering, the couple remained saved by supporting YHWH all the rest of their life. They died as YHWH supporters.
The wickedness of man did not truly start until after Seth's time. We are not told the names of Cain's line, but we can assume that Seth's line and Cain's line were as different as light is from dark. If it only took mankind after the dark ages 400 years to create what we have today, imagine in 200 years what Cain's line could design and create! Amalgamations, Genetic engineering, Wireless electricity, Flying machines, and even nuclei weapons. Genetic crossing of man with beast was attempted as well. Even Hitler wanted this but failed in African experiments.
Can you see why God wanted to destroy the technology depravity of man?
Hope this helps. Shalom
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2019 11:46:53 GMT -5
The wickedness of man did not truly start until after Seth's time. We are not told the names of Cain's line, but we can assume that Seth's line and Cain's line were as different as light is from dark. If it only took mankind after the dark ages 400 years to create what we have today, imagine in 200 years what Cain's line could design and create! Amalgamations, Genetic engineering, Wireless electricity, Flying machines, and even nuclei weapons. Genetic crossing of man with beast was attempted as well. Even Hitler wanted this but failed in African experiments. Can you see why God wanted to destroy the technology depravity of man? This is true - in a way - but very man-centric and one dimensional Enoch, the Mid Rash, Jewish text - like the Testament of Solomon - Gnostic literature before Christ and after Gen 6 = all speak of a spiritual struggle playing out with equal vigor They all speak of a crossing over - a mixing - an interconnectedness Islam goes on to say that the Jinn had full run over earth before Adam Gen 6 is assumed that the daughters of men are of Adam's lineage Cain married the daughters of men You sound as if you think genetic evolution by natural selection is valid Then how can you ignore the fossil record? If we are decedents of Adam - we are Homo Sapien and last to be created As for the further corruption of mankind - man had a lot of help from the outside to the point that man did not stand a chance of surviving Only Noah was pure - is this a genetic reference? If it is, then only 5/8 of the Flood survivors were genetically pure - and I always thought it interesting that Hamm was (emotionally unstable) - Jewish saga has Hamm unable to abstain from sex while on the Ark. Jewish lore has Hamm feeding the Archon hanging on the outside of the ark - some stories have Hamm hiding the archon within the ark -- after the Flood it was Hamm's error ? Sin ? that resulted in a cures The children of Cain - Jewish lore and Gnostic literature speaks to the mark upon Cain THE FIRST BOOK OF ADAM and EVE also called The Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan. 79:22 And as to God saying to Cain, "Cursed be the ground that has drunk the blood of thy brother" that also, was God's mercy on Cain. For God did not curse him, but He cursed the ground; although it was not the ground that had killed Abel, and had committed iniquity. 23 For it was meet that the curse should fall upon the murderer; yet in mercy did God so manage His thoughts as that no one should know it, and turn away from Cain. 24 And He said to him, "Where is thy brother?" To which he answered and said, "I know not." Then the Creator said to him, "Be trembling and quaking." 25 Then Cain trembled and became terrified; and through this sign did God make him an example before all the creation, as the murderer of his brother. Also did God bring trembling and terror upon him, that he might see the peace in which he was at first, and see also the trembling and terror he endured at the last; so that he might humble himself before God, and repent of his sin, and seek the peace he enjoyed at first.Gen 4:12 (YLT) when thou tillest the ground, it doth not add to give its strength to thee—a wanderer, even a trembling one, thou art in the earth.'13 And Cain saith unto Jehovah, 'Greater is my punishment than to be borne; 14 lo, Thou hast driven me to-day from off the face of the ground, and from Thy face I am hid; and I have been a wanderer, even a trembling one, in the earth, and it hath been—every one finding me doth slay me.' THE SECOND BOOK OF ADAM and EVE also called The Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan. 13:5 Meanwhile Cain, ever since God had cast him off, and had cursed him with trembling and terror, could neither settle nor find rest in any one place; but wandered from place to place.
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2019 12:59:32 GMT -5
If it only took mankind after the dark ages 400 years to create what we have today, imagine in 200 years what Cain's line could design and create! Amalgamations, Genetic engineering, Wireless electricity, Flying machines, and even nuclei weapons. Genetic crossing of man with beast was attempted as well. Even Hitler wanted this but failed in African experiments. Can you see why God wanted to destroy the technology depravity of man? The Tower of BabelI make this same argument after the flood Noah and Company just built the most technologically advanced machine of its day They survived the Flood is a feat no less amazing than going to the moon Noah - was the Elon Musk of his day After the flood - Man did not start from scratch - they began with Noah and Company Now - Christendom wants me to think man was bad because they didn't disperse in Gen 11 But Gen 10:32 already said that man did disperse - that was not their crime Christendom wants me to believe that these guys were building a stone tower Gen 11:4 (ASV) And they said, Come, let us build us a city, and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven, and let us make us a name; lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. If I was a space man looking down on man building a stone tower into the heavens; I would have thought man pretty STUPID. The tower would collapse under its own weight! The construction crews would run out of air and die! I would giggle under my breath and think mankind pretty backwards. Instead God says, Gen 11:6 (ASV) And Jehovah said, Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is what they begin to do: and now nothing will be withholden from them, which they purpose to do.God's compliment does not jive with Christendom's mythology How is - nothing will be withholden from them, which they purpose to do - done today? Babel was a research complex - it was a Rocket Launch center In the Legends of the Jews - stories from the Mid Rash - workers on the tower would celibate, because they continually shot their arrows into the sky - and some returned bloodied. How would this fit into Christendom's mythology - it doesn't The builders of Babel were just a few generations removed from Noah Their cultural memories of the Archon and the war against man were still alive Man was taking the war back into the Archon's realm Man was on the spiritual offensive against a common enemy Ponder the consequences of - nothing will be withholden from them, which they purpose to do. -OR - and let us make us a name = To bold go where no man has gone before!(Star Trex) - To Communicate with another Dimension. (Cern) - To know the mind of God (Einstein) - To be all that you can be (Reagan Fitness Program) Noah - lived a long time after the Flood - what did he do? I bet he sat around telling grandchildren stories about their #1 question What was it like before the Flood - when the Nephilim walked among man The Memoirs of Noah - explain why all cultures around the world have similar stories of creation / flood / dragons / demons / Archon / Jinn / God You said - Can you see why God wanted to destroy the technology depravity of man? I have always Pondered - why God wanted to destroy the technological potential of man? First man is immortal - This changes as the Contest of Gen 3:15 begins Then man's life span is limited to 120 yrs max - Then as mankind comes together to work for common cause - and God admits man's true potential So - God says - STOP IT! - and be confused so that it takes mankind centuries and centuries of wallowing in the mud and muck of human life, disease, war, famine, and pain 3 times in just the first 11 chapters of the Torah - man has been devolved - 3 times WHY?Job 1:8 (ASV) And Jehovah said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job? for there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and turneth away from evil. Before the flood when all factions were on the same playing field - The Contest developed too quickly and The Archon were winning - Only Noah was pure After the flood - the two Waring factions are separated - but mankind is smart and intelligent AND culturally remembered the war and the enemy - and organised to take the fight back to the Archon Again - the Contest was developing too quickly - because we had knowledge of the war After Babel - the Contest played out in the LONG - SLOW - process we call recorded history. Current events - again seeing mankind collaborating on projects to learn of the heavens and again mankind is poised for a global reset
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2019 13:56:06 GMT -5
The Coelacanth Fish
The coelacanth, which lives in deep-sea caves off the coast of Africa, was once known only from its fossils and so was thought to have gone extinct at least 70 million years ago until a recently-dead specimen was discovered by South African fishermen in 1938. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-living-fossil-coelacanth-fish-left-behind-by-evolution-8577129.html)
At one time this was the poster fish for a missing link The fossils have downward pointing fins Evolutionist used this fish in much propaganda The downward pointing fins were proof that fish walked out of the water onto land This downward pointing fins were the first pre-cursors of legs
Except - the fish is still alive and well - has not changed in 70 million years - and does not use its fins to walk, even on the bottom of the ocean.
Oldest known bacteria 3.5 Billion years Genetically the same as today Colostrum from 135,000 years = identical to today
The Problem of Genetic Evolution
The fastest mutating DNA we know is bacteria and fungi It is true they are genetically amazing they can adapt as to food source some can change from aerobic food metabolism to aerobic some can rearrange heir DNA to survive toxins In Medicine - many bugs have changed enough to require different antibiotics Beta-Lactimace Producers - these guys are tricky in medicine At first they appear 100% susceptible to penicillin But after therapy their infections returns with a vengeance the bug has learned to eat and grow on penicillin as a food source
But even with all their variations - they never change species
Mankind can selectively breed humans - but the only super humans you get are football players and women with very big behinds (Mandingo)
Mankind has been selectively breeding cows and dogs for eons - different breeds - not species
Corn has to be the most selectively engineered plant on the planet - yet it is still corn.
ZERO - MISSING LINKS
The fossil record indicates - species appeared without precursor - reproduced after its own kind (Species) - then died out
The Fossil record also indicates that this did not happen all at ounce - but appeared at different increments of time throughout geological history
An Incremental Creation of things (a Divine Process) over time - say 6 days (aions) anyway you measure it - that was discovered in Nature by man (Darwin), who mistook the Incremental Creation process as a step by step evolutionary process of nature.
Darwin's biggest criticism of his own theory - lack of missing intermediary forms But hoped the new science of paleontology would prove him right with continued discoveries. SORRY -
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Post by Robert T on Sept 6, 2019 14:30:10 GMT -5
Greetings Dave: Quote: "First man is immortal " In a previous thread you speak of the spirit realm. Your reply is really very good and interesting. I must say the advanced humans building a space rocket sounds feasible. Our primitive fellows can't get past the Van Allen belts of radiation! What do you mean by saying "man is immortal"? If one was to ask me, the only immortal thing in man is the Holy Spirit. Matter without GOD is also not immortal. With the absence of GOD's quantum powers, at absolute zero (no presence of GOD) atoms cease to exist. When GOD breathes into matter shaped for this, character, mankind becomes "living energy". There are two Hebrew form for "nepesh", the verb form and the noun form. Both forms have to have the same basic meaning, only differences in action. Hence the verb form means "energize" and the noun form means "living-energy", ie the "energizing is complete", who allows this "living energy" to be able to build and make its own character, by sowing and growing parts of GOD's character of love; the Holy Spirit does who lives personally in all of us. If we look at the consequence of breaking relationships with GOD, the first missing of Adam caused a major shift in natural laws, causing corruption to the DNA, bringing iniquities into mankind causing them to become more depraved... this corruption of the DNA is inherited and impossible to remove, as its a written code (as if both natural law and moral law affects man's decision process to choose sinning). Hence the "flesh" and the "deeds of the flesh" are idioms referring to the problem. Does Scripture talk about "genetic potential and hence DNA iniquities"? Yes, Jeff Benner alludes to this: Strong's 205 "aven" Jeff lists as potential for functional work and the potential for dysfunctional work. So if the Holy Spirit stops recording your character development in man, (Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:) and returns to GOD (Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?) so the matter we are composed of stops thinking that very day(Ps 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.) and the relationship with GOD ends as a "sleep", since the "character" is faithfully recorded, the "living energy" can be reproduced exactly as it was. The second death, is the total absence of GOD, the "atoms cease" the "character records are destroyed" God's breaks all relationship with you, and your character and your atomic composition of dust... nothing remains. The only immortal thing I see in all this is the "Holy Spirit" who empowers us as "living-energy" a relationship with the Divine. When Jesus rose from the grave, exchanging "life for life", the corrupted DNA form is exposed for us to see as "Scars" on his body, the uncorrupted DNA he can impart to us as we sow His words into us daily, the compassion centre of the Holy Spirit creates a new change in us via Jesus. The divinity of Christ is encapsulated by a human covering forever, as the "law requires life for life", an eternal exchange to satisfy the law. This human body has wonders we are not used to seeing, because the divine relationship chooses not to do them, or we are afraid to ask GOD to fully configure us with sowing such supporting power of GOD. Jesus walked through walls, Phillip experienced hyper transportation through space, since GOD as relationship is yoked to our character, than other dimensions are possible. We have many wonders to behold! So I am not sure what you mean, Dave, so I ask the question... Perhaps I have missed something
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2019 22:03:07 GMT -5
What do you mean by saying "man is immortal"? If one was to ask me, the only immortal thing in man is the Holy Spirit. When GOD breathes into matter shaped for this, character, mankind becomes "living energy". There are the Holy Spirit does who lives personally in all of us. So if the Holy Spirit stops recording your character development in man, (Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:) and returns to GOD (Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?) so the matter we are composed of stops thinking that very day(Ps 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.) and the relationship with GOD ends as a "sleep", since the "character" is faithfully recorded, the "living energy" can be reproduced exactly as it was. The second death, is the total absence of GOD, the "atoms cease" the "character records are destroyed" God's breaks all relationship with you, and your character and your atomic composition of dust... nothing remains. The only immortal thing I see in all this is the "Holy Spirit" who empowers us as "living-energy" a relationship with the Divine. Gen 1:26 (ASV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: This is a trinity of form but a duality of expression Exodus 33:20-22 Face – glory – hand Creator (androgynous – out of reach) – but a duality of expression – Spirit (Female) and Physical (Christ) Our likeness = a duality of form – spiritual + physical Gen 2:7 = a duality of form – dust of the earth + the breath of life It is this ‘breath of life’ – the ‘living being’ – the essence – that part of me you cannot find in an x-ray – that part of me that will continue on into the spirit realm (any dimension >3) – that is immortal / eternal (potentially) Some of these ‘living beings’ – false prophets – suffer a second death – death of spirit – but IMO – this is a rare few Our ‘breath of life’ – is it a fraction of the Holy Spirit / a portion of God’s Spirit broken off and shared through mankind - to experience the maximum diversity That would assume I knew God’s plan – I don’t Maybe – won’t argue against it The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, another text of gnostic origin, "... explains how the Archons induce a false plan of salvation into the human mind, a counterfeit of the true plan of self-liberation we can take by developing our innate potential of Nous, 'divine-intelligence.'" the script goes on to say, "... that 'the doctrine of Aliens' is a great deception upon the human soul." My family spend 2.5 yrs on an Indian Reservation for dot.gov – there I met people that thought God’s Spirit was in every rock and tree. The Holy Spirit as the sustainer! Holy Spirit as the ether or matrix! I agree with them – I just don’t worship that expression of the spirit I worship the expression that came as a man to share the Gospel If you need to find solace in the Blood / Lamb / Human Sacrifice / Suffering / and death – OK However – Gnostics are more focused on the Resurrection There is an afterlife – and you can choose where and how you spend it – Christ offers a short-cut to Pentecost – teaching by the comforter – because of an indwelling of the comforter -- so you should spend this life seeking The Kingdom of God (TOV) or not (RA) Adam was created immortal – it is to his form we seek to return – as God made us originally Sadly – some will not make the return
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Post by Robert T on Sept 8, 2019 13:45:16 GMT -5
Your writing Dave is very different to mine, yet it is always interesting and not much different from my own. I think the Indians had a wonderful way of life, that is until the white man spoiled things and forced them to give up the Mother Lands. Quote: My family spend 2.5 yrs on an Indian Reservation for dot.gov – there I met people that thought God’s Spirit was in every rock and tree. The Holy Spirit as the sustainer! Holy Spirit as the ether or matrix! I agree with them – I just don’t worship that expression of the spirit Such comments border on pantheism, some religion invented by Dr Kellogg I think in the 18th century. I have read his book, 'The Living Temple', but don't know really what he's talking about. Some people find this topic repulsive because it paganism, whatever that means. Some people finding accepting the Father and Son as masculine, whatever that meaning means, and the Holy Spirit as feminine, whatever that meaning means, pagan as well, and refuse to think these things. So it's hard to talk to them. To me, a medium is the only way to sustain a universe filled with dysfunction and not have it completely fall apart. A medium is the only way to sustain sinners who would immediately perish if it were not for the medium's function. But people hate the word "medium", thoughts of pagan spirits. Yes, but the science meaning is different. A medium is a process in which "powers are carried differently in media" , so this applies to pagan mediums, as well as the Shadday. The Shadday functions as a "Holy Spirit". Wind as any scientist knows flows in a medium, of air acting as media, and so the energy flow is unseen but felt in the air. Likewise light enters air as media, and the light properties change. That's what mediums do, they change the properties of the power they are transporting. And this is an important function to consider. Thus the rock, the tree and the human are all held together by medium properties. This means the power of the Father flows through the Shadday via the medium of the Holy Spirit, and so all things exist and have their Being. Do we worship the rock, the tree and the human because it is sustained by GOD in a mysterious medium we fully do not understand? That is a silly idea, yet in the past, and maybe Dr Kellogg liked this idea? And if you reject medium properties, some have gone on to new religions that have a Father and Son only, the Holy Spirit is just a force of the Father or Son, not a third co-eternal Being. Ephesians 3:10 -16 describes Elohiym God as a Family. This is a Provider, Responder and Son of GOD. This also aligns with the Hebrew word for love. There are two Hebrew words for love. Ahab for providers and Ahabuh for responders. They seem to come from animal kinds, when GOD made kinds in the maleness-love kind and the femaleness-love kind. And thus we can suggest the Divine Family has unique ways of loving, the provider kind of love and the responder kind of love. A son is a collector of love and able to do both. Are there any texts of heavenly parents in Scripture? Yes, one Luke 1:35, we see the most high Provider and the power of the Responder Holy Spirit coming over Mary to add humanity to their Son Jesus. Jesus add humanity to divinity and so matter is made for ever a part of the divine family of God for the first time. And this is why I feel the term "family" is literally applied to "Elohiym" only in the NT. Prior to this, Elohiym is beyond matter time and space. When GOD made man a little lower than Elohiym (Ps 8:5 ) (not angels - poor translation), this makes mankind very special. Why did GOD do this? Well there was war in heaven. God needed a jury, who would be law abiding citizens and witnesses to this war of ideas, yet nonbiased... so GOD made man as jury witnesses. The accuser came and made man fall. So Jesus as a Lawyer came to bought the lost kingdom back, by choosing to become a king himself, as the Son of Man, this implies him adding matter to his (non-matter) or (divinity) and becoming essentially human as man is human. The Hebrew word "son" is "BN" an in pictograph form means "The Home Continues across the nations" This means the home of GOD love continues over the nations of fallen mankind. And that is what the Father did, when GOD so loved mankind, He sent His one and only Son, to become fully human and exchange his undamaged body for our damaged body, the "life for life" requirement of the law, so we could be reborn daily in the matrix of the Holy Spirit, to become genetic clones of Jesus, but not personality clones. Notice when GOD made Adam and Eve, they were genetic clones of each other, but not personality clones, there ways of loving was different. Sorry for the long windy reply, like you Dave, I love writing too, rather than speaking. Shalom and God bless your walking in Jesus and your ministry here.
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2019 16:10:44 GMT -5
Your writing Dave is very different to mine, yet it is always interesting and not much different from my own. Different vocabulary - different perspective - only one true theology evidently we are on the same path - seeking What is pagan? What is Esoteric? What is the Gospel? vrs What is BS? Pagan and esoteric = anything Romes says it is What is scripture = anything Romes says it is What is not scripture = anything Romes says it is Notice a pattern here? What is the Gospel = Jesus is the Christ / Messiah - His Birth, life, ministry, and rejection = all satisfied all the requirements of any scripture (even Enoch, even the Books of Adam and Eve) His Resurrection proved to all who believe - the afterlife is real / the spirit realm is real - and that Jesus Christ is a full 3rd of the Trinity. Jesus says, ask in His name and the Comforter will indwell within you - teach you - guide you - from the inside After your personal Pentecost - Teach you - Guide you to what = The Kingdom of God - a personal walk - separate - alone. Then - you are to fellowship what you have learned. What is BS? - Paul abolishing the Law (because Jesus didn't mat 5:17-19) The church is the vicar of Christ on earth and therefore infallible Rome and its - Sunday Sabbath, - the church changed it on their own authority Jesus being born on the Winter Solstice - Just like Tammuz The 40 days of Lent are actually the time the women weep for Tammuz Easter Eggs were eggs dipped in the blood of new born human sacrifices to Tammuz The eggs were the presented to Ishtar - the Mother of Tammuz And HAM is the traditional Easter meal What is BS? - The disciples asked Jesus how do we pray? First thing he says - do not stand up front and babble on Then he says - do not ask for stuff (you only know what you want - the Lord knows what you need) Yet - every Sunday church I attend - DISRESPECT these words of Jesus - over and over What is BS? - Organised 501C3 businesses fracturing the "Image of Christianity" into so many warring factions - 7 years war - Inquisition - Ireland I reject being counted in their number - so I call myself Gnostic - just to be different
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2019 16:23:41 GMT -5
I reject being counted in their number - so I call myself Gnostic - just to be different Quote: My family spend 2.5 yrs on an Indian Reservation for dot.gov – there I met people that thought God’s Spirit was in every rock and tree. The Holy Spirit as the sustainer! Holy Spirit as the ether or matrix! I agree with them – I just don’t worship that expression of the spirit Such comments border on pantheism Yes it does! - and as a Gnostic I am free of dogma I wrote something like this years ago I am in a church and ask - do angels exist The congregation resoundingly says - YES Then, I ask - is there just one or two? The congregation resoundingly says - NO! Armies and Host Then, I ask - were they born on Earth? The congregation resoundingly says - NO! They were created in heaven At last, I ask - so you mean - all the angels are both Alien and Extraterrestrial Suddenly - I am no longer welcome -all over vocabulary God's Spirit in every rock and tree - as the matrix of it all - the ether - or your sustainer provider I would not argue against their view However - that fact - has little or nothing to do with the: Theology of 'breath' containing 'living beings' engaged in the Contest
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2019 17:36:02 GMT -5
When GOD made man a little lower than Elohiym (Ps 8:5 ) (not angels - poor translation), this makes mankind very special. Why did GOD do this? The Gospel of Philip The superiority of man is not obvious to the eye, but lies in what is hidden from view. Consequently, he has mastery over the animals which are stronger than he is and great in terms of the obvious and the hidden. This enables them to survive. But if man is separated from them, they slay one another and bite one another. They ate one another because they did not find any food.The potential of man to engage the spirit realm - to commune with the Creator - because we are receptive to the - indwelling - the baptism of Spirit - Pentecost - and the Messiah offers a short-cut to it. Without being "SUSTAINED" - RA drags us into the most despicable animal on earth. Lowest common denominator - animal. Authoritative Teaching And before anything came into being, it was the Father alone who existed, before the worlds that are in the heavens appeared, or the world that is on the earth, or principality, or authority, or the powers. [...] appear [...] and [...] And nothing came into being without his wish.
He, then, the Father, wishing to reveal his wealth and his glory, brought about this great contest in this world, wishing to make the contestants appear, and make all those who contend leave behind the things that had come into being, and despise them with a lofty, incomprehensible knowledge, and flee to the one who exists.
And (as for) those who contend with us, being adversaries who contend against us, we are to be victorious over their ignorance through our knowledge, since we have already known the Inscrutable One from whom we have come forth. We have nothing in this world, lest the authority of the world that has come into being should detain us in the worlds that are in the heavens, those in which universal death existsThe Hypostasis of the Archons "... they threw mankind into great distraction and into a life of toil, so that their mankind might be occupied by worldly affairs, and might not have the opportunity of being devoted to the holy spirit. ...
Now when Yaldabaoth saw him (Sabaoth) in this great splendor and at this height, he envied him; and the envy became an androgynous product, and this was the origin of envy. And envy engendered death; and death engendered his offspring and gave each of them charge of its heaven; and all the heavens of chaos became full of their multitudes. But it was by the will of the father of the entirety that they all came into being – after the pattern of all the things above – so that the sum of chaos might be attained.
"There, I have taught you about the pattern of the rulers; and the matter in which it was expressed; and their parent; and their universe."
But I said, "Sir, am I also from their matter?"
"You, together with your offspring, are from the primeval father; from above, out of the imperishable light, their souls are come. Thus the authorities cannot approach them, because of the spirit of truth present within them; and all who have become acquainted with this way exist deathless in the midst of dying mankind.The Exegesis on the Soul - "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood - as he said (Ep 6:12) - but against the world rulers of this darkness and the spirits of wickedness."...
Therefore the savior cries out (Jn 6:44), "No one can come to me unless my Father draws him and brings him to me; and I myself will raise him up on the last day."
It is therefore fitting to pray to the father and to call on him with all our soul - not externally with the lips, but with the spirit, which is inward, which came forth from the depth - sighing; repenting for the life we lived; confessing our sins; perceiving the empty deception we were in, and the empty zeal; weeping over how we were in darkness and in the wave; mourning for ourselves, that he might have pity on us; hating ourselves for how we are now.
Again the savior said (cf Mt 5:4, Lk 6:12): "Blessed are those who mourn, for it is they who will be pitied; blessed, those who are hungry, for it is they who will be filled."
Again he said (cf. Lk 14:26), "If one does not hate his soul he cannot follow me." For the beginning of salvation is repentance. Therefore (cf. Acts 13:24), "Before Christ`s appearance came John, preaching the baptism of repentance."
And repentance takes place in distress and grief. But the father is good and loves humanity, and he hears the soul that calls upon him and sends it the light of salvation. Therefore he said through the spirit to the prophet (cf. 1 Cl 8:3), "Say to the children of my people, 'If your sins extend from earth to heaven, and if they become red like scarlet and blacker than sackcloth, and if you return to me with all your soul and say to me 'my Father!', I will heed you as a holy people.'"
Again another place (Is 30:15), "Thus says the lord, the holy one of Israel: "If you return and sigh, then you will be saved and will know where you were when you trusted in what is empty."
Again he said in another place (Is 30:19-20), "Jerusalem wept much, saying, 'Have pity on me.' He will have pity on the sound of your weeping. And when he saw, he heeded you. And the lord will give you bread of affliction and water of oppression. From now on, those who deceive will not approach you again. Your eyes will see those who are deceiving you."
Therefore it is fitting to pray to God night and day, spreading out our hands towards him as do people sailing in the middle of the sea: they pray to God with all their heart without hypocrisy. For those who pray hypocritically deceive only themselves. Indeed, it is in order that he might know who is worthy of salvation that God examines the inward parts and searches the bottom of the heart. For no one is worthy of salvation who still loves the place of deception.The Gospel of Thomas "(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?" He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."The Gospel of Philip "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing.
If one goes down into the water and comes up without having received anything, and says "I am a Christian," he has borrowed the name at interest. But if he receives the Holy Spirit, he has the name as a gift. He who has received a gift does not have to give it back, but of him who has borrowed it at interest, payment is demanded. This is the way it happens to one when he experiences a mystery.And repentance takes place in distress and grief. = The Great Contest
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